"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

azotic wrote:

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become shareholders
themselves.


That would take both brains and guts. If they had those, they would
own a business.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!

On Feb 12, 11:24*am, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:
"azotic" wrote in message

...



"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the *workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!

************************************************** **************
Here is your Drum Roll

"We are living in the most selfish generation in the history of this
country," "Their agenda is a race to the bottom line of cheap wages,
a race to the bottom of retirement and health care and education."

"How can you as a CEO take a huge bonus and then five months later
watch your pensions fall apart?" he asked. "What has to be inside such
a person?"

GREED

Ton knows Best
Millwright Ron

Tom Gardner wrote:

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!


Wouldn't a beer barrel be more appropriate for those union types?


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
...
On Feb 12, 11:24 am, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:
"azotic" wrote in message

...



"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become
shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!

************************************************** **************
Here is your Drum Roll

"We are living in the most selfish generation in the history of this
country," "Their agenda is a race to the bottom line of cheap wages,
a race to the bottom of retirement and health care and education."

"How can you as a CEO take a huge bonus and then five months later
watch your pensions fall apart?" he asked. "What has to be inside such
a person?"

GREED

Ton knows Best
Millwright Ron

Your right all those greedy workers that have 401K's and self directed IRA's
are demanding higher profits.
Wanna bet some of those greedy *******s are union members ?

Best Regards
Tom.
Proud to be a CEO union member.

On Feb 12, 3:21*pm, "azotic" wrote:
"Millwright Ron" wrote in message

...
On Feb 12, 11:24 am, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:





"azotic" wrote in message

...

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become
shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!

************************************************** **************
Here is your Drum Roll

"We are living in the most selfish generation in the history of this
country," *"Their agenda is a race to the bottom line of cheap wages,
a race to the bottom of retirement and health care and education."

"How can you as a CEO take a huge bonus and then five months later
watch your pensions fall apart?" he asked. "What has to be inside such
a person?"

GREED

Ton knows Best
Millwright Ron

Your right all those greedy workers that have 401K's and self directed IRA's
are demanding higher profits.
Wanna bet some of those greedy *******s are union members ?

Best Regards
Tom.
Proud to be a CEO union member.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


************************************************** ******************

Toxic People:

We have met them in the hallways of our workplaces -- the "toxic"
people, poisoning the work environment with their anger or cynicism or
excessive criticism of others.

You can identify them since they act as if the only agenda that
matters is their own personal agenda, and the only time that counts is
theirs. We know them by their rudeness in meetings, or their inability
to find the good in any ideas other than their own, or their laser-
like ability to find fault without seeming to ever give credit.

The world revolves around them and they are unwilling to really
examine the impact of their behavior on others. These people are
"toxic" in that their impact on those around them, especially when in
critical positions of responsibility, is that they poison trust,
trample good will, destroy self-esteem and rot the fabric of
teamwork.

They cost industry and government billions of dollars in lost
opportunities, re-work, extra sick leave and errors they engender due
to the problems in communication, lowered collaboration, mistrust,
frustration and fear in their wake.

What gives? Can't they and the powers that be see the effects of their
toxicity? Why are they tolerated, and how in the heck did they get to
be where they are today?

The answer is that if you were a star producer, or very bright and
capable, working hard and getting results then you were often promoted
in spite of the way you treated other people or damaged working
relationships around you.

After all, we traditionally have measured how long you worked and what
you were able to accomplish with little attention on how you helped or
hurt the working relationships, trust and collaborative networks
around you.

This was poor management and even poorer leadership. In the words of
Jack Welch, the recently retired CEO of GE, "We must insist on people
keeping their commitments (getting results) as well as those who
demonstrate the values (valuing relationship development.)"

He further stated that those who only got the results but damaged
relationships consistently were like a cancer in an organization.

Yet, the days of the toxic individual are numbered. There is
increasingly less tolerance for their fits of temper or constant
criticism or inflated self-importance or disrespectful behavior.

The reasons are two fold. First, as all of us have noticed, the world
is changing dramatically. The global marketplace is more dynamic,
demanding and less tolerant of mistakes and those who are slow to
assimilate lessons or to adapt to changing conditions and customer
demands.

Millwright Ron
www.unionmillwright.com

Millwright Ron wrote:

Toxic People:

We have met them in the hallways of our workplaces -- the "toxic"
people, poisoning the work environment with their anger or cynicism or
excessive criticism of others.


Yes, and they were trying to form a union no one else wanted. Very
annoying idiots who didn't know when to shut up and leave well enough
alone.


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become
shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!

Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits? After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that
creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and
management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from what
they contribute to the success of the business and without them there is no
business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no makie
money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair they
want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can keep
all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been going
on for centuries.

Hawke

"azotic" wrote in message

...

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become
shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!

************************************************** **************
Here is your Drum Roll

"We are living in the most selfish generation in the history of this
country," "Their agenda is a race to the bottom line of cheap wages,
a race to the bottom of retirement and health care and education."

"How can you as a CEO take a huge bonus and then five months later
watch your pensions fall apart?" he asked. "What has to be inside such
a person?"

GREED

Ton knows Best
Millwright Ron

Your right all those greedy workers that have 401K's and self directed
IRA's
are demanding higher profits.
Wanna bet some of those greedy *******s are union members ?

Best Regards
Tom.
Proud to be a CEO union member.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


************************************************** ******************

Toxic People:

We have met them in the hallways of our workplaces -- the "toxic"
people, poisoning the work environment with their anger or cynicism or
excessive criticism of others.

You can identify them since they act as if the only agenda that
matters is their own personal agenda, and the only time that counts is
theirs. We know them by their rudeness in meetings, or their inability
to find the good in any ideas other than their own, or their laser-
like ability to find fault without seeming to ever give credit.

The world revolves around them and they are unwilling to really
examine the impact of their behavior on others. These people are
"toxic" in that their impact on those around them, especially when in
critical positions of responsibility, is that they poison trust,
trample good will, destroy self-esteem and rot the fabric of
teamwork.

They cost industry and government billions of dollars in lost
opportunities, re-work, extra sick leave and errors they engender due
to the problems in communication, lowered collaboration, mistrust,
frustration and fear in their wake.

What gives? Can't they and the powers that be see the effects of their
toxicity? Why are they tolerated, and how in the heck did they get to
be where they are today?

The answer is that if you were a star producer, or very bright and
capable, working hard and getting results then you were often promoted
in spite of the way you treated other people or damaged working
relationships around you.

After all, we traditionally have measured how long you worked and what
you were able to accomplish with little attention on how you helped or
hurt the working relationships, trust and collaborative networks
around you.

This was poor management and even poorer leadership. In the words of
Jack Welch, the recently retired CEO of GE, "We must insist on people
keeping their commitments (getting results) as well as those who
demonstrate the values (valuing relationship development.)"

He further stated that those who only got the results but damaged
relationships consistently were like a cancer in an organization.

Yet, the days of the toxic individual are numbered. There is
increasingly less tolerance for their fits of temper or constant
criticism or inflated self-importance or disrespectful behavior.

The reasons are two fold. First, as all of us have noticed, the world
is changing dramatically. The global marketplace is more dynamic,
demanding and less tolerant of mistakes and those who are slow to
assimilate lessons or to adapt to changing conditions and customer
demands.

Millwright Ron
www.unionmillwright.com


We get your point. But you could have said the same thing in a lot fewer
words. I think I can be a little more concise. What you are trying to say is
that Tom and other businessmen like him are "dicks". Like most bosses he's a
self centered, petty, tyrant. He cares more about himself and his money than
anything else in the world especially other people. He has little sympathy
for workers and sees them as being members of an inferior class. Quite
simply, he's a dick. That about covers it. One sure way of knowing he's a
dick is that he probably voted for George Bush too.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become
shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!

Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits? After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that
creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and
management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from what
they contribute to the success of the business and without them there is no
business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no makie
money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair they
want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can keep
all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been going
on for centuries.

Hawke



What's preventing anyone from opening their own enterprise or buying stock in
one? Workers are entitled to a paycheck for their time...nothing more. They
don't like it, there's the door, they are free to go find a job that pays more.
Unions are extortion organizations, nothing more. Workers have no investment at
risk, no responsibility for company obligations yet you say they are entitled to
profits over and above what is contracted for? Go check the pressure on your
home's tires, clueless, socialist DICK!!!

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become
shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.


Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits?

Because shareholders are legaly entitled to a share of the company profits,
the shareholders own the company not the workers.
Only thieves plot thier evil deeds to aquire what rightfully belongs to
others.

After all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services
that
creates the profits to begin with.

Which is why management is happy to give them a paycheck on a regular basis
for what they produce.

We all know it's not the owners and management who actually produce
anything.

You should discuss that with millright ron, he is a bussiness owner.

Workers should profit from what they contribute to the success of the
business and without them there is no
business.

Plenty of people selling on ebay do exactley that. Wait a minute that cant
be right they are owners and management
they produce nothing, thier not entitled to a profit.

Best Regards
Tom.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:48:28 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:28:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:

And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid
worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I
doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way
in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much
the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that
worked for him.


Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union
workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a
contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract
that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were
unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another,
because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100%
disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I
will never be able to work again.


Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever had
a job, and what kind of work was it?

Spitoon cleaner in a dockside whore house?


Spitoon in a dockside whore house.


LOL!

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Hawke wrote:

We get your point. But you could have said the same thing in a lot fewer
words. I think I can be a little more concise. What you are trying to say is
that Tom and other businessmen like him are "dicks". Like most bosses he's a
self centered, petty, tyrant. He cares more about himself and his money than
anything else in the world especially other people. He has little sympathy
for workers and sees them as being members of an inferior class. Quite
simply, he's a dick. That about covers it. One sure way of knowing he's a
dick is that he probably voted for George Bush too.

Hawke


You sure spend a lot of time thinking about dicks, pervert.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Hawke wrote:

Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits? After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that
creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and
management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from what
they contribute to the success of the business and without them there is no
business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no makie
money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair they
want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can keep
all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been going
on for centuries.


Idiot. those workers didn't raise the capital, or spend years
building the business, unless it is employee owned. They get what they
deserve. No more and no less. Not one of them would take those risks,
or they would own a business, not work for it.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Hawke wrote:
After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that
creates the profits to begin with.

I think you are overlooking the fact that there wouldn't be a place to
work if the investors hadent put up the money to start the place.

Hawke

...lew...

Michael A. Terrell wrote in article
...
Hawke wrote:

Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits?
After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services
that
creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and
management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from
what
they contribute to the success of the business and without them there
is no
business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no
makie
money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair
they
want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can
keep
all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been
going
on for centuries.


Idiot. those workers didn't raise the capital, or spend years
building the business, unless it is employee owned. They get what they
deserve. No more and no less. Not one of them would take those risks,
or they would own a business, not work for it.



I also suspect that ANY business owner in his right mind that had a group
of employees constantly threatening to shut the place down with a strike
would have no choice but to squirrel away every dime he could extract from
the company in the chance that this great union that is "protecting" the
workers manages to put their employer out of business......and the very
members it claims to be protecting out of work!

On Feb 10, 11:17*am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
ATP* wrote:

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
...
In the United States today, a worker is fired or discriminated against
for trying to form a union every 23 minutes.
Unity
Millwright Ron
www.unionmillwright.com

You'd think that guy would get the hint after a while.

* Impossible. If he were that smart he would have never joined a union.
Just plonk the sad, lobotomized ******* and get on with your life.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

**************************
Good morning to the TV repairman terrell...
Toxic People


We have met them in the hallways of our workplaces -- the "toxic"
people, poisoning the work environment with their anger or cynicism
or excessive criticism of others.

You can identify them since they act as if the only agenda that
matters is their own personal agenda, and the only time that counts
is theirs. We know them by their rudeness in meetings, or their
inability to find the good in any ideas other than their own, or
their laser-like ability to find fault without seeming to ever give
credit.

The world revolves around them and they are unwilling to really
examine the impact of their behavior on others. These people
are "toxic" in that their impact on those around them, especially
when in critical positions of responsibility, is that they poison
trust, trample good will, destroy self-esteem and rot the fabric of
teamwork.

They cost industry and government billions of dollars in lost
opportunities, re-work, extra sick leave and errors they engender due
to the problems in communication, lowered collaboration, mistrust,
frustration and fear in their wake.

What gives? Can't they and the powers that be see the effects of
their toxicity? Why are they tolerated, and how in the heck did they
get to be where they are today?

The answer is that if you were a star producer, or very bright and
capable, working hard and getting results then you were often
promoted in spite of the way you treated other people or damaged
working relationships around you.

After all, we traditionally have measured how long you worked and
what you were able to accomplish with little attention on how you
helped or hurt the working relationships, trust and collaborative
networks around you.

This was poor management and even poorer leadership. In the words of
Jack Welch, the recently retired CEO of GE, "We must insist on people
keeping their commitments (getting results) as well as those who
demonstrate the values (valuing relationship development.)"

He further stated that those who only got the results but damaged
relationships consistently were like a cancer in an organization.

Yet, the days of the toxic individual are numbered. There is
increasingly less tolerance for their fits of temper or constant
criticism or inflated self-importance or disrespectful behavior.

The reasons are two fold. First, as all of us have noticed, the world
is changing dramatically. The global marketplace is more dynamic,
demanding and less tolerant of mistakes and those who are slow to
assimilate lessons or to adapt to changing conditions and customer
demands.

Millwright Ron
www.unionmillwright.com

On Feb 13, 12:25*am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Hawke wrote:

We get your point. But you could have said the same thing in a lot fewer
words. I think I can be a little more concise. What you are trying to say is
that Tom and other businessmen like him are "dicks". Like most bosses he's a
self centered, petty, tyrant. He cares more about himself and his money than
anything else in the world especially other people. He has little sympathy
for workers and sees them as being members of an inferior class. Quite
simply, he's a dick. That about covers it. One sure way of knowing he's a
dick is that he probably voted for George Bush too.

Hawke

* *You sure spend a lot of time thinking about dicks, pervert.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida





Michael A. Terrell
AKA the TV repairman....
Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out
computers.
I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital

Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214
to
prove it.

Millwright Ron wrote:

Good morning


Hey, Ronnie, you old union pusher! Tell us something. If unions are
perfect why did the employees at Microdyne vote them out, just a couple
years after voting them in?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Millwright Ron wrote:


Michael A. Terrell
AKA the TV repairman....
Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out
computers.
I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital


More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's really
sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of
the English language.

BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is
something a union will never do.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

* wrote:

I also suspect that ANY business owner in his right mind that had a group
of employees constantly threatening to shut the place down with a strike
would have no choice but to squirrel away every dime he could extract from
the company in the chance that this great union that is "protecting" the
workers manages to put their employer out of business......and the very
members it claims to be protecting out of work!


The only thing any union is interested in is the leaders making money
off the people who join. It's a modern version of the old protection
rackets. Sort of a legalized Ponzi Scheme.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Gunner Asch wrote:

The workers perform a service, for which they are renumerated at a
mutally agreed upon rate. They provide a service for which someone
else is willing to pay a certain amount.

The Parakeet and the other closet socialists like Millwrong Ron
believe that if you pay to get your carpets cleaned, the carpet
cleaning company now deserves a financial interest in your house.


I'll bet that's not the only thing they hide in their closets!


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Feb 13, 11:14 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Millwright Ron wrote:

Good morning

Hey, Ronnie, you old union pusher! Tell us something. If unions are
perfect why did the employees at Microdyne vote them out, just a couple
years after voting them in?

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

*****************************************
Hello to you Mike:

I have no idea why Microdyne voted them out but the employees had the
opportunity to vote. That is what's important. The right to vote and
the right to vote with out fear of threats. We should all be allowed
to vote. It is not union verse non-union. It is about the right to
chose.

79% of workers agreed that workers are "very" or "somewhat" likely to
be fired for trying to organize a union.
Brent Garren, "When the Solution Is the Problem: NLRB Remedies and
Organizing Drives," 51 Labor Law Journal 76, 78; 2000

78%of workers during union organizing drives are forced to attend
closed-door or isolated meetings with supervisors.
Kate Bronfenbrenner, "Uneasy Terrain: The Impact of Capital Mobility
on Workers, Wages and Union Organizing," U.S. Trade Deficit Review
Commission, 2000.

12%of U.S. workers have a union in their workplace, but 53% of U.S.
workers would like one.
U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, "Union Members
in 2006," Current Population Survey, January 2007. Peter D. Hart
Research Associates, December 2006.

49%of employers illegally threaten to close a worksite during union
organizing drives if workers choose to form a union.
Chirag Mehta and Nik Theodore, Undermining the Right to Organize:
Employer Behavior During Union Representation Campaigns, Center for
Urban Economic Development, University of Illinois at Chicago, Dec.
2005.

91%of employers force employees to attend one-on-one anti-union
meetings with their supervisors during union organizing drives.
Chirag Mehta and Nik Theodore, Undermining the Right to Organize:
Employer Behavior During Union Representation Campaigns, Center for
Urban Economic Development, University of Illinois at Chicago, Dec.
2005

42 millionemployees who are not represented by a union would like to
have representation at work. Richard Freeman and Joel Rogers, "A
Proposal to American Labor," The Nation, June 24, 2002; Freeman and
Rogers, What Workers Want, ILR Press, 1999.

23%of workers in majority sign-up campaigns report management coercion
to oppose the union. Adrienne Eaton, Ph.D. of Rutgers University, and
Jill Kriesky, Ph.D. of Wheeling Jesuit University Fact Over Fiction
March 2006.

23%of workers in majority sign-up campaigns report management coercion
to oppose the union.
Adrienne Eaton, Ph.D. of Rutgers University, and Jill Kriesky, Ph.D.
of Wheeling Jesuit University Fact Over Fiction March 2006.

Millwright Ron
www.unionmillwright.com

Millwright Ron wrote:

On Feb 13, 11:14 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Millwright Ron wrote:

Good morning

Hey, Ronnie, you old union pusher! Tell us something. If unions are
perfect why did the employees at Microdyne vote them out, just a couple
years after voting them in?

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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Hello to you Mike:

I have no idea why Microdyne voted them out but the employees had the
opportunity to vote. That is what's important. The right to vote and
the right to vote with out fear of threats. We should all be allowed
to vote. It is not union verse non-union. It is about the right to
chose.


They voted it out because they realized they had been lied to, and
were being screwed by the union. Things they had taken for granted were
no longer available like flex time, or being able to work in another
department instead of being laid off when the workload changed. No flex
time, they had to use time clocks, and were docked for being late. No
free meals to celebrate landing new contracts, and no bonus checks.



79% of workers agreed that workers are "very" or "somewhat" likely to
be fired for trying to organize a union.
Brent Garren, "When the Solution Is the Problem: NLRB Remedies and
Organizing Drives," 51 Labor Law Journal 76, 78; 2000

78%of workers during union organizing drives are forced to attend
closed-door or isolated meetings with supervisors.
Kate Bronfenbrenner, "Uneasy Terrain: The Impact of Capital Mobility
on Workers, Wages and Union Organizing," U.S. Trade Deficit Review
Commission, 2000.

12%of U.S. workers have a union in their workplace, but 53% of U.S.
workers would like one.
U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, "Union Members
in 2006," Current Population Survey, January 2007. Peter D. Hart
Research Associates, December 2006.

49%of employers illegally threaten to close a worksite during union
organizing drives if workers choose to form a union.
Chirag Mehta and Nik Theodore, Undermining the Right to Organize:
Employer Behavior During Union Representation Campaigns, Center for
Urban Economic Development, University of Illinois at Chicago, Dec.
2005.

91%of employers force employees to attend one-on-one anti-union
meetings with their supervisors during union organizing drives.
Chirag Mehta and Nik Theodore, Undermining the Right to Organize:
Employer Behavior During Union Representation Campaigns, Center for
Urban Economic Development, University of Illinois at Chicago, Dec.
2005

42 millionemployees who are not represented by a union would like to
have representation at work. Richard Freeman and Joel Rogers, "A
Proposal to American Labor," The Nation, June 24, 2002; Freeman and
Rogers, What Workers Want, ILR Press, 1999.

23%of workers in majority sign-up campaigns report management coercion
to oppose the union. Adrienne Eaton, Ph.D. of Rutgers University, and
Jill Kriesky, Ph.D. of Wheeling Jesuit University Fact Over Fiction
March 2006.

23%of workers in majority sign-up campaigns report management coercion
to oppose the union.
Adrienne Eaton, Ph.D. of Rutgers University, and Jill Kriesky, Ph.D.
of Wheeling Jesuit University Fact Over Fiction March 2006.


All of which means nothing to people who can think for themselves.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
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On Feb 12, 11:24 am, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:
"azotic" wrote in message

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"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become
shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!

************************************************** **************
Here is your Drum Roll

"We are living in the most selfish generation in the history of this
country," "Their agenda is a race to the bottom line of cheap wages,
a race to the bottom of retirement and health care and education."

"How can you as a CEO take a huge bonus and then five months later
watch your pensions fall apart?" he asked. "What has to be inside such
a person?"

GREED

Ton knows Best
Millwright Ron

Where's that huge bonus you promised me? Hell, I'd settle for the paychecks
I didn't get while making sure my employees did. Or reimbursed for cash
advances on credit cards to make payroll. You are clueless.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...


They voted it out because they realized they had been lied to, and
were being screwed by the union. Things they had taken for granted were
no longer available like flex time, or being able to work in another
department instead of being laid off when the workload changed. No flex
time, they had to use time clocks, and were docked for being late. No
free meals to celebrate landing new contracts, and no bonus checks.





It is funny that I work in a shop with union plumbers, but the rest of the
shop is non-union, and looks to stay that way. The union guys are treated
like outside hired help, no keys to the shop, company trucks are left at the
shop, and when work gets slow, they get laid off. On the other hand us
non-union guys have keys, company trucks we drive home, and full use of the
shop after hours. Also when work gets slow, the boss keeps us around doing
matainance in the shop, what ever it takes to keep us around and a paycheck
coming.
Greg

"Greg O" wrote in message
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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It is funny that I work in a shop with union plumbers, but the rest of the
shop is non-union, and looks to stay that way. The union guys are treated
like outside hired help, no keys to the shop, company trucks are left at
the shop, and when work gets slow, they get laid off. On the other hand us
non-union guys have keys, company trucks we drive home, and full use of
the shop after hours. Also when work gets slow, the boss keeps us around
doing matainance in the shop, what ever it takes to keep us around and a
paycheck coming.
Greg


no surprise there. would be an interesting experiment to see what would
happen if the union guys went away.

b.w.

"William Wixon" wrote in message
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"Greg O" wrote in message
m...
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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It is funny that I work in a shop with union plumbers, but the rest of
the shop is non-union, and looks to stay that way. The union guys are
treated like outside hired help, no keys to the shop, company trucks are
left at the shop, and when work gets slow, they get laid off. On the
other hand us non-union guys have keys, company trucks we drive home, and
full use of the shop after hours. Also when work gets slow, the boss
keeps us around doing matainance in the shop, what ever it takes to keep
us around and a paycheck coming.
Greg


Unless there are factors involved other than the ones you're telling us, it
seems pretty clear that your employer is in violation of the NLRA, Section
8. That's a pretty heavy offense.

--
Ed Huntress

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Millwright Ron wrote:


Michael A. Terrell
AKA the TV repairman....
Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out
computers.
I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital


More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's really
sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of
the English language.

BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is
something a union will never do.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

They did it again, I'm ashamed that I got baited by the low end. Tell me more
about your NFP!

On Feb 10, 11:17*am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
ATP* wrote:

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
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In the United States today, a worker is fired or discriminated against
for trying to form a union every 23 minutes.
Unity
Millwright Ron
www.unionmillwright.com

You'd think that guy would get the hint after a while.

* Impossible. If he were that smart he would have never joined a union.
Just plonk the sad, lobotomized ******* and get on with your life.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
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What do you know about a collins r390?
Millwright Ron

Tom Gardner wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is
something a union will never do.

They did it again, I'm ashamed that I got baited by the low end. Tell me more
about your NFP!


Don't worry about it. We've all stepped on a roach, or three.


I am working to formalize what started as a hobby project. I collect
and repair computers, then give them away. I can't give receipts for
donations, so it is currently treated as a scrap metal recycling
project, that I manage to build some computers out of. After it becomes
a legal entity, I can give receipts, and collect a better grade of
computer parts. It will also give some protection against outside
attacks, like the bipolar loser who was telephoning threats from Oregon.

The next part of the project is a lot bigger, and will add a large
website project to deal with all the Veteran activities in my part of
Florida. Most people are as ignorant as 'Roundhouse Ronnie' about what
Veterans do for their communities, and I intend to make it obvious to
even the dumbest character in the region. They bitch about all the fund
raising, without realizing it goes into thins like retirement homes, and
scholarships for the local high school kids, when they start college.
Even the school board is clueless about that project.


Any money it takes in will be split between several projects, like
"Veteran's and Family Services" which helps Veterans who fall between
the many cracks in the VA system, and to help the thousands of homeless
Veterans in the area. Veteran's and Family Services collects food and
clothes, as well as what cash they can, but they are always running out
of something. They screen the Veterans who get the computers I repair.
When they don't have anyone on their list, I give the equipment to other
disabled or low income people in my area.


The homeless Veterans that want to get a job, clean up their act and
return to the real working world need a lot of help, starting with a
mailing address, a telephone to call about jobs, a place to shower, and
a place to lock up their few belongings. After they find work, they can
afford to buy an old car or truck to get to and from work. Right now
they are living in the Ocala National Forest. Most of them were rounded
up in northern cites and put on a bus for Florida, with instructions to
the drivers to not let them off the bus until they were well into
Florida.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Millwright Ron wrote:

What do you know about a collins r390?




That it was built by Collins and other contractors. Excellent
design, and a decent performing HF radio. Fair Radio in Lima Ohio still
had some spare parts listed. It isn't easy to repair, because it was
built for depot level maintenance. There are several experts on the
news:rec.antiques.radio+phono and news:rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
newsgroups.

http://www.fairradio.com/catalog.php...arch&query=390

My current project is a full restoration of a National NC183R, and a
HP 312B.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

What era are these computers from?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I am working to formalize what started as a hobby project. I collect
and repair computers, then give them away.

On Feb 13, 11:13*pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Tom Gardner wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

* BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. *That is
something a union will never do.

They did it again, I'm ashamed that I got baited by the low end. *Tell me more
about your NFP!

* *Don't worry about it. *We've all stepped on a roach, or three.

* *I am working to formalize what started as a hobby project. *I collect
and repair computers, then give them away. *I can't give receipts for
donations, so it is currently treated as a scrap metal recycling
project, that I manage to build some computers out of. *After it becomes
a legal entity, I can give receipts, and collect a better grade of
computer parts. *It will also give some protection against outside
attacks, like the bipolar loser who was telephoning threats from Oregon.

* *The next part of the project is a lot bigger, and will add a large
website project to deal with all the Veteran activities in my part of
Florida. *Most people are as ignorant as 'Roundhouse Ronnie' about what
Veterans do for their communities, and I intend to make it obvious to
even the dumbest character in the region. *They bitch about all the fund
raising, without realizing it goes into thins like retirement homes, and
scholarships for the local high school kids, when they start college.
Even the school board is clueless about that project.

* *Any money it takes in will be split between several projects, like
"Veteran's and Family Services" which helps Veterans who fall between
the many cracks in the VA system, and to help the thousands of homeless
Veterans in the area. Veteran's and Family Services collects food and
clothes, as well as what cash they can, but they are always running out
of something. *They screen the Veterans who get the computers I repair.
When they don't have anyone on their list, I give the equipment to other
disabled or low income people in my area.

* The homeless Veterans that want to get a job, clean up their act and
return to the real working world need a lot of help, starting with a
mailing address, a telephone to call about jobs, a place to shower, and
a place to lock up their few belongings. *After they find work, they can
afford to buy an old car or truck to get to and from work. *Right now
they are living in the Ocala National Forest. *Most of them were rounded
up in northern cites and put on a bus for Florida, with instructions to
the drivers to not let them off the bus until they were well into
Florida.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

***********************************
Mike:
Thank you for helping our Veterans.
Millwright Ron
Vietnam
68,69,70

Tom Gardner wrote:

Cool! Microsoft and other software companies have programs to supply software
to charity donated computers, as you probably know. I know a lot of companies
donate a lot of equipment to charity, some only a couple of years old...better
than what we have in the office! Best of luck!


Thank You. There is a local group that has the microsoft approval
and does computers for churches and other religious groups, but they
charge for the equipment. I have been working with windows 98 SE and
ME, because they are abandoned OS. I dig through the spare hard drives
to find a drive to match the COA on the cabinet. I won't install or
upgrade the OS beyond what it was licensed for. About 25% of the
donated computers can be used to build working systems. I have finally
started seeing a few XP computers. I had a local construction company
drop off all of their Dell computers with 2000 pro, and one XP,
recently. It looks like all the motherboards are bad.

This keeps me busy when I can't work in the shop, and helps others,
at the same time. I have offered the working Win 95 computers to a
local day care center. They will be used in their classrooms with
educational software. No network and no modems. I probably have a
dozen Packard Bell towers in storage, and i'd rather give them away,
than to scrap them for hardware. The cases and motherboards are
proprietary, and the hard drives are too small to be useful


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Millwright Ron wrote:

On Feb 13, 11:13 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Tom Gardner wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is
something a union will never do.

They did it again, I'm ashamed that I got baited by the low end. Tell me more
about your NFP!

Don't worry about it. We've all stepped on a roach, or three.

I am working to formalize what started as a hobby project. I collect
and repair computers, then give them away. I can't give receipts for
donations, so it is currently treated as a scrap metal recycling
project, that I manage to build some computers out of. After it becomes
a legal entity, I can give receipts, and collect a better grade of
computer parts. It will also give some protection against outside
attacks, like the bipolar loser who was telephoning threats from Oregon.

The next part of the project is a lot bigger, and will add a large
website project to deal with all the Veteran activities in my part of
Florida. Most people are as ignorant as 'Roundhouse Ronnie' about what
Veterans do for their communities, and I intend to make it obvious to
even the dumbest character in the region. They bitch about all the fund
raising, without realizing it goes into thins like retirement homes, and
scholarships for the local high school kids, when they start college.
Even the school board is clueless about that project.

Any money it takes in will be split between several projects, like
"Veteran's and Family Services" which helps Veterans who fall between
the many cracks in the VA system, and to help the thousands of homeless
Veterans in the area. Veteran's and Family Services collects food and
clothes, as well as what cash they can, but they are always running out
of something. They screen the Veterans who get the computers I repair.
When they don't have anyone on their list, I give the equipment to other
disabled or low income people in my area.

The homeless Veterans that want to get a job, clean up their act and
return to the real working world need a lot of help, starting with a
mailing address, a telephone to call about jobs, a place to shower, and
a place to lock up their few belongings. After they find work, they can
afford to buy an old car or truck to get to and from work. Right now
they are living in the Ocala National Forest. Most of them were rounded
up in northern cites and put on a bus for Florida, with instructions to
the drivers to not let them off the bus until they were well into
Florida.

***********************************
Mike:
Thank you for helping our Veterans.
Millwright Ron
Vietnam
68,69,70


You're welcome.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Louis Ohland wrote:

What era are these computers from?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I am working to formalize what started as a hobby project. I collect
and repair computers, then give them away.


Win 98 SE to XP.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Most of the systems I flog are Win98SE at the best. But, if you do come
across old IBM systems that you might try to bring up, do tell.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Louis Ohland wrote:
What era are these computers from?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I am working to formalize what started as a hobby project. I collect
and repair computers, then give them away.


Win 98 SE to XP.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Millwright Ron wrote:


Michael A. Terrell
AKA the TV repairman....
Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out
computers.
I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital


More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's really
sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of
the English language.

BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is
something a union will never do.


Ha, Ha, he's working on becoming a non profit. That's all he'll every be,
non profit. Run along you stupid crip and leave the grown ups alone.

Hawke