In article , Hawke says...

*Everyone* dislikes this lady (piro). Honest!

Jim

You can add Alan Dershowitz's name to the top of the hate list. I have seen
him on a talk show with the two of them on at the same time and he told the
host that he would never appear on a show with her again. He hasn't either.
But you're absolutely right about the hordes of folks that despise her. Only
another Republican could stand to be in the same room with her.

Not even all of them either. She's a bad actor, she and her husband
were involved with organized crime and a host of other shady dealings.
I see a lot of republican folks sidle way from her.

Jim


--
==================================================
please reply to:
JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com
==================================================

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:23:19 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


You are indeed a brainless ****wit.

Gunner

Look who's talking. From your own mouth you're a loser in the capitalism
game but you still think that's the best thing for you. Advocating a system
in which you can't win clearly demonstrates that your thinking is
irrational. If you were a successful capitalist it would make sense for you
to support that system, but you are one of the losers and yet you still
believe in a system you and the majority of Americans fail at. Now that's
what I call stupid. In fact you are so dumb that you need advice to tell you
to stop digging when you are already in a hole. Now that I think of it, I'm
not surprised you are an admitted failure at capitalism. You're too stupid
to succeed.

Hawke


How many times did it take to invent the light bulb? Polio vaccine?
Develop the airplane?

Yes, I believe strongly in the system, capitalism. And will continue
to work on bettering my own little piece of it.

As for stupid..it would appear that you are advocating Communism..the
murderous economic system that has failed everywhere its been tried.

Can you say that capitalism is a proven failure anywhere?

Not even a mediocre try, Parakeet.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:02:02 +1000, Terry Collins
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Gunner


Look who's talking. From your own mouth you're a loser in the capitalism
game but you still think that's the best thing for you. Advocating a system
in which you can't win clearly demonstrates that your thinking is
irrational. If you were a successful capitalist it would make sense for you
to support that system, but you are one of the losers and yet you still
believe in a system you and the majority of Americans fail at. Now that's
what I call stupid. In fact you are so dumb that you need advice to tell you
to stop digging when you are already in a hole.

Naah, Gunner owns land which is a major benefit in a capitalist society,
plus he has a **** load of machinery on it. At the worst, he has a nest
egg in scrap metal that is highly unlikely to loose value.

Also, metal working skills are becoming rarer, and so long as he has
his health, he can always turn something and earn a dollar. His welding
is another matter.

I suppose the worst thing that can happen to Gunner since he hates green
things is that he is gunna have to become a gardner and grow his own
food. {:-).

Hates green things?

Gunner, munching on Thompson seedless grapes from his own arbors.
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:05:32 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:




How many times did it take to invent the light bulb? Polio vaccine?
Develop the airplane?

Yes, I believe strongly in the system, capitalism. And will continue
to work on bettering my own little piece of it.

As for stupid..it would appear that you are advocating Communism..the
murderous economic system that has failed everywhere its been tried.


Capitalists are falling over each other to build factories in
COMMUNIST China at this time. Real capitalists have no interest in the
form of the local government.

Can you say that capitalism is a proven failure anywhere?

Not even a mediocre try, Parakeet.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:02:02 +1000, Terry Collins
wrote:
Hawke wrote:

Gunner

Look who's talking. From your own mouth you're a loser in the capitalism
game but you still think that's the best thing for you. Advocating a system
in which you can't win clearly demonstrates that your thinking is
irrational. If you were a successful capitalist it would make sense for you
to support that system, but you are one of the losers and yet you still
believe in a system you and the majority of Americans fail at. Now that's
what I call stupid. In fact you are so dumb that you need advice to tell you
to stop digging when you are already in a hole.

Naah, Gunner owns land which is a major benefit in a capitalist society,
plus he has a **** load of machinery on it. At the worst, he has a nest
egg in scrap metal that is highly unlikely to loose value.

Also, metal working skills are becoming rarer, and so long as he has
his health, he can always turn something and earn a dollar.

Remember, skilled manual jobs is one big thing they can't outsource
easily. They won't spend $10,000 removing and shipping the broken
equipment to India and back just to save $100 on the repairs.

Same thing with skilled tradesmen - They can't hand an unskilled
person a stack of blueprints an inch thick and expect them to make
sense of them, let alone a building.

His welding is another matter.

You heard, I see. Did his spare tire ever arrive? The guys in the
space station said that the trajectory had it heading for Oz...

I suppose the worst thing that can happen to Gunner since he hates green
things is that he is gunna have to become a gardner and grow his own
food. {:-).

Need I point out that the definition of the word "Gardener" in many
ancient languages all translate to "Lousy Hunter"... ;-P

Salads and vegetables are the warm-up and the side dish, but we were
built as Omnivores, and most humans are much healthier when we don't
diss Mother Nature and try going Ovo-Lacto Vegan. Of course, it's
just as easy to go too far the other direction...

(We'll leave the Sushi = Bait controversy for another time.)

-- Bruce --

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:42:01 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:


His welding is another matter.

You heard, I see. Did his spare tire ever arrive? The guys in the
space station said that the trajectory had it heading for Oz...

What's the tale?
Sounds interesting.

Did he ever notice his power bill?
--
Cliff

Look who's talking. From your own mouth you're a loser in the capitalism
game but you still think that's the best thing for you. Advocating a
system
in which you can't win clearly demonstrates that your thinking is
irrational. If you were a successful capitalist it would make sense for
you
to support that system, but you are one of the losers and yet you still
believe in a system you and the majority of Americans fail at. Now
that's
what I call stupid. In fact you are so dumb that you need advice to tell
you
to stop digging when you are already in a hole.

Naah, Gunner owns land which is a major benefit in a capitalist society,
plus he has a **** load of machinery on it. At the worst, he has a nest
egg in scrap metal that is highly unlikely to loose value.

Also, metal working skills are becoming rarer, and so long as he has
his health, he can always turn something and earn a dollar. His welding
is another matter.

I suppose the worst thing that can happen to Gunner since he hates green
things is that he is gunna have to become a gardner and grow his own
food. {:-).

No, the worst thing that can happen to Gunner is that he won't be able to
afford health insurance and will have a catastrophic health problem. He
won't be able to pay for proper health care and he'll wind up partially or
completely disabled and will live out his remaining years in abject misery
and poverty regardless of his former skills. But had he the money to pay for
excellent insurance he would have been well cared for and returned to good
health. Unfortunately, in a capitalist system only those who are very
successful have access to that level of health care. Gunner would still
argue it's the best system even though he's screwed by it once again proving
that he's stupid, irrational, or most likely, both.

Hawke

How many times did it take to invent the light bulb? Polio vaccine?
Develop the airplane?

Yes, I believe strongly in the system, capitalism. And will continue
to work on bettering my own little piece of it.

As for stupid..it would appear that you are advocating Communism..the
murderous economic system that has failed everywhere its been tried.

Communism, democracy, not all that different really. The people are in
charge and the government is supposed to serve them not an elite class. In
reality true Communism has never been tried. It never existed anywhere. The
places that called themselves Communist were in truth simple dictatorships
and totalitarian states. If a real Communist state were ever attempted it
may well succeed every bit as well as our pseudo capitalism. But well never
know until it's tried.

Can you say that capitalism is a proven failure anywhere?

Other than in the West capitalism has failed everywhere it's been tried. If
you have a standard of prosperity for all as the measure of success, then
it's obvious that even in the U.S. it's not working either. On a radio talk
show the other day they looked at the poverty statistics in New Orleans and
33% of the population was living under the poverty level. They looked at
another twenty or so other cities and they ranged from 19% in Chicago to New
Orleans, which was the highest. The rest of the cities had poverty rates of
25%, or close to that figure. You don't consider those Americans living at
or under the poverty level to be successful capitalists do you? Once you
look at the statistics, it's easy to see that more than half of all
Americans are poor. If prosperity is the standard of success then capitalism
isn't working even in this country. Look at other countries and you will see
even lower numbers. Don't believe me, then read "The Mystery of Capital" by
Hernan De Soto. He has researched worldwide and has found that capitalism
has not worked anywhere except the West, that is if you consider what we
have a success.

Hawke

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:42:01 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:


His welding is another matter.

You heard, I see. Did his spare tire ever arrive? The guys in the
space station said that the trajectory had it heading for Oz...


Sigh..they found the tire. Its about 15 light years out and heading
for the Lesser Magallinic....

Blush. Not a mistake Ill make again.

Ill find new mistakes to make.

But..Im now welding aluminum...and the welds are holding...YAY!!!

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:34:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


Look who's talking. From your own mouth you're a loser in the capitalism
game but you still think that's the best thing for you. Advocating a
system
in which you can't win clearly demonstrates that your thinking is
irrational. If you were a successful capitalist it would make sense for
you
to support that system, but you are one of the losers and yet you still
believe in a system you and the majority of Americans fail at. Now
that's
what I call stupid. In fact you are so dumb that you need advice to tell
you
to stop digging when you are already in a hole.

Naah, Gunner owns land which is a major benefit in a capitalist society,
plus he has a **** load of machinery on it. At the worst, he has a nest
egg in scrap metal that is highly unlikely to loose value.

Also, metal working skills are becoming rarer, and so long as he has
his health, he can always turn something and earn a dollar. His welding
is another matter.

I suppose the worst thing that can happen to Gunner since he hates green
things is that he is gunna have to become a gardner and grow his own
food. {:-).

No, the worst thing that can happen to Gunner is that he won't be able to
afford health insurance and will have a catastrophic health problem. He
won't be able to pay for proper health care and he'll wind up partially or
completely disabled and will live out his remaining years in abject misery
and poverty regardless of his former skills. But had he the money to pay for
excellent insurance he would have been well cared for and returned to good
health. Unfortunately, in a capitalist system only those who are very
successful have access to that level of health care. Gunner would still
argue it's the best system even though he's screwed by it once again proving
that he's stupid, irrational, or most likely, both.

Hawke

Which is why all the nearby Socialists come to the US for treatment.
Communism gives you stainless steel teeth and a bullet to the back of
the skull.

"Please look into the box, Comrade..."


Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:50:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:

Communism, democracy, not all that different really.


And there boys and girls..is a perfect example of the utter stupidity
of the Parakeet.

Need I say any more?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Gunner Asch wrote:

Blush. Not a mistake Ill make again.

Delete me if you've heard this one, but when in 1984 I toddled off to
TAFE to learn a bit of welding, I ended up in the stick class as the Oxy
class was full.

About 20 odd bods including about half the class as retired,
semi-retired types, almost all of who were there to learn how to weld to
make themselves boats. 20' + types, of steel.

Except one, who had already his first boat. A real beauty by all
accounts. In the back yard. It just needed to be move to the water (?)
where he was going to do the final fit out.

Oh, so a crane was called and the boat carefully lifted over the house
and deposited into a waiting trailer. Well, actually there was a slight
hick up and it came down rather heavy onto the trialer.

And promptly fell apart.

His recantation ended with "I was so fscking relieved that it didn't
fall apart above the house.




Ill find new mistakes to make.

But..Im now welding aluminum...and the welds are holding...YAY!!!

*******. I'm ****e with AL. {:-)

Hawke wrote:

I suppose the worst thing that can happen to Gunner since he hates green
things is that he is gunna have to become a gardner and grow his own
food. {:-).


No, the worst thing that can happen to Gunner is that he won't be able to
afford health insurance and will have a catastrophic health problem. He
won't be able to pay for proper health care and he'll wind up partially or
completely disabled and will live out his remaining years in abject misery
and poverty regardless of his former skills. But had he the money to pay for
excellent insurance he would have been well cared for and returned to good
health. Unfortunately, in a capitalist system only those who are very
successful have access to that level of health care. Gunner would still
argue it's the best system even though he's screwed by it once again proving
that he's stupid, irrational, or most likely, both.

Sadly, your coment is true about being able to afford health insurance.
Unfortutnately, it is untrue in implying that it only happens in
capitialist health systems.

I live in Australia with a health system that many would regard as
socialist. Despite all the bull****, the health care system here is
just as bad. If you have money and insurance and can afford the private
hospital and doctors, then you receive good health care. If you are
totally reliant on the public health care system, then you are plain
straight out gambling.

If you live outside the five major population centres, then your stuffed
for access to any health care except a GP, and may have to travel up to
500 miles to get to one.

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:34:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


I suppose the worst thing that can happen to Gunner since he hates green
things is that he is gunna have to become a gardner and grow his own
food. {:-).

No, the worst thing that can happen to Gunner is that he won't be able to
afford health insurance and will have a catastrophic health problem. He
won't be able to pay for proper health care and he'll wind up partially or
completely disabled and will live out his remaining years in abject misery
and poverty regardless of his former skills. But had he the money to pay for
excellent insurance he would have been well cared for and returned to good
health. Unfortunately, in a capitalist system only those who are very
successful have access to that level of health care. Gunner would still
argue it's the best system even though he's screwed by it once again proving
that he's stupid, irrational, or most likely, both.

Hawke


Actually..neither my wife or myself have health insurance. Not for the
past 10 yrs. She has had multiple heart surgeries, I had a stent
installed about a year ago.

Which is one of the reasons there is little money on hand. The State
covers most of her bill, mine is $27,000. I pay something each month
on mine.

As for "abject misery", been there, done that, rose above it. Poverty
sucks..but when one considers all possible alternatives..happy and
poor is better than rich and utterly miserable. Seen that too.

And yes..its still the best system. As countless people from countries
with socialized medicine prove everyday as they enter the US for
medical care.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:34:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:

No, the worst thing that can happen to Gunner is that he won't be able to
afford health insurance and will have a catastrophic health problem. He
won't be able to pay for proper health care and he'll wind up partially or
completely disabled and will live out his remaining years in abject misery
and poverty regardless of his former skills. But had he the money to pay for
excellent insurance he would have been well cared for and returned to good
health. Unfortunately, in a capitalist system only those who are very
successful have access to that level of health care. Gunner would still
argue it's the best system even though he's screwed by it once again proving
that he's stupid, irrational, or most likely, both.

He recently had heart problems .. uninsured .... those
nasty liberals at the hospital saved his life anyway .....
No doubt he regrets it & blames them.

Many packs of cigarettes each day he can no doubt afford.
And probably many more guns.
--
Cliff

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 07:25:28 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:34:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


Look who's talking. From your own mouth you're a loser in the capitalism
game but you still think that's the best thing for you. Advocating a
system
in which you can't win clearly demonstrates that your thinking is
irrational. If you were a successful capitalist it would make sense for
you
to support that system, but you are one of the losers and yet you still
believe in a system you and the majority of Americans fail at. Now
that's
what I call stupid. In fact you are so dumb that you need advice to tell
you
to stop digging when you are already in a hole.

Naah, Gunner owns land which is a major benefit in a capitalist society,
plus he has a **** load of machinery on it. At the worst, he has a nest
egg in scrap metal that is highly unlikely to loose value.

Also, metal working skills are becoming rarer, and so long as he has
his health, he can always turn something and earn a dollar. His welding
is another matter.

I suppose the worst thing that can happen to Gunner since he hates green
things is that he is gunna have to become a gardner and grow his own
food. {:-).

No, the worst thing that can happen to Gunner is that he won't be able to
afford health insurance and will have a catastrophic health problem. He
won't be able to pay for proper health care and he'll wind up partially or
completely disabled and will live out his remaining years in abject misery
and poverty regardless of his former skills. But had he the money to pay for
excellent insurance he would have been well cared for and returned to good
health. Unfortunately, in a capitalist system only those who are very
successful have access to that level of health care. Gunner would still
argue it's the best system even though he's screwed by it once again proving
that he's stupid, irrational, or most likely, both.

Hawke

Which is why all the nearby Socialists come to the US for treatment.
Communism gives you stainless steel teeth and a bullet to the back of
the skull.

"Please look into the box, Comrade..."


Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Explains why Cuba's infant mortality figures are lower than
those in the US, right?
--
Cliff

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:52:26 -0700, nobody wrote:

As for stupid..it would appear that you are advocating Communism..the
murderous economic system that has failed everywhere its been tried.


Capitalists are falling over each other to build factories in
COMMUNIST China at this time. Real capitalists have no interest in the
form of the local government.


As I pointed out..it would appear that Communism has yet again failed.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:50:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:

Can you say that capitalism is a proven failure anywhere?

Other than in the West capitalism has failed everywhere it's been tried.

Let's not forget Hitler's Germany & Mussolini's Italy, both
Capitalists (without the Communists they probably would have
won WW-II) or Japan's capitalist industrialists ... and the
Communists in China helped a great deal to win there too.
Nor should the robber barons & slave owners (ultimate capitalists)
be neglected.

What part of "We the People" does Gunner always forget?
--
Cliff

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 07:26:14 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:50:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:

Communism, democracy, not all that different really.


And there boys and girls..is a perfect example of the utter stupidity
of the Parakeet.

Need I say any more?

Sure. Open your yap again.
I enjoy the humor.
--
Cliff

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:42:01 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:


His welding is another matter.

You heard, I see. Did his spare tire ever arrive? The guys in the
space station said that the trajectory had it heading for Oz...


Sigh..they found the tire. Its about 15 light years out and heading
for the Lesser Magallinic....

Blush. Not a mistake Ill make again.

Ill find new mistakes to make.

But..Im now welding aluminum...and the welds are holding...YAY!!!

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Gunner,
Are you Mig welding aluminum? If so I can give some useful hints. There
are a couple of things that will tell you if you are doing it right.

First, look at the end of the wire sticking out of the gun after welding.
Is the end a sharp point or a round ball? If it is a round ball, then you
are using short arc and aluminum should be welded in spray arc mode. Raise
your voltage a little at a time until you get spray arc.

Second, what does it sound like when you are welding? Does it sound like
eggs frying on a hot pan? Then you are short arc welding and you need to
raise the voltage. Spray arc transfer sounds like a spray paint gun being
used.

Third, what does your weld look like? Do you have lots of tiny sharp edged
ripples in the bead, or is the bead fairly large smooth ripples? If they
are sharp edged you are using short arc, and the voltage needs to be
increased.

Fourth, doe your welding produce a shower of sparks as you weld? If it does
then you are using short arc and the voltage needs to be raised. Aluminum
Mig welding should produce very few if any sparks. It not only should sound
like spray painting, the arc should look fan shaped and it should seem like
you are spraying the metal onto the surface.

Notice I kept mentioning the need to raise the arc voltage. That is because
most of the time I tell someone this they say "I tried a higher voltage and
it didn't work better" That's because they needed to raise it a LOT more
than their experience with steel would suggest. Note that as you raise the
arc voltage you must usually raise the wire speed quite a bit too, otherwise
it will burn back into the gun. When you make the transition from short arc
to spray arc though it is a wonderful thing, and I promise you'll know it
when you see, hear and experience it.

One of my greenhouse customers had a guy come in to weld thousands of
aluminum rolling benches. This was what the guy did for a living. I
watched him weld for a few minutes and told the customer he wasn't using
spray arc and the welds were not strong, and he could go faster. The
customer asked the guy to let me adjust his welding machine. He wasn't
really happy about that, he was getting paid piece work and any fooling
around cost him money, as would changes that slowed him down. However he
let me make the changes partly because I had already gotten him a really
good deal on an electronic helmet. In the end the customer was very happy
because the new benches were holding together much better than the previous
ones. The welder was happy too. It turned out that my changes made the
welding a little more difficult to do. However it cut the actual welding
time almost in half, and he was getting paid by the piece not the hour!

Please let me know how you make out.

Gary H. Lucas

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:36:28 GMT, "Gary H. Lucas"
wrote:

for torturing the cat." Gunner

Gunner,
Are you Mig welding aluminum? If so I can give some useful hints. There
are a couple of things that will tell you if you are doing it right.

Great tips! Saved for the near future. Right now Im TIG welding
alum.
But thanks again, and when I get my MIG issues squared away, Ill
damned sure try em.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:36:28 GMT, "Gary H. Lucas"
wrote:

for torturing the cat." Gunner

Gunner,
Are you Mig welding aluminum? If so I can give some useful hints. There
are a couple of things that will tell you if you are doing it right.

Great tips! Saved for the near future. Right now Im TIG welding
alum.
But thanks again, and when I get my MIG issues squared away, Ill
damned sure try em.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Ah, Tig welding, my favorite process. You have so much control that it is
amazing what you can do. I have some helpful hints here too.

First, shield yourself and any helper very well from the light. I once had
a small burn hole in my shirt where my belly button is and got a 3rd degree
sunburn there! A guy asked me to weld up a set of headers for him, he held
the parts in place. He just turned his head to the side. His face and eyes
were so badly burned he was out of work for two weeks. Even though I WARNED
him over and over!

Aluminum requires tons of power to weld, because it is such a good heat
conductor. I used to repair aluminum light pole bases and even aluminum
bender shoes for contractors. These are real thick and a 250 amp machine is
a joke. I used a plumbers propane pot heater to preheat the parts. When
solder would melt when touched to the surface the temperature is about
right.

It is real easy to burn through when welding aluminum. Aluminum isn't like
steel which turns red, get brighter and brighter, and then finally sags
through. Aluminum is there, and then it ain't. The thing to remember is
that you have two sources of heat control when Tig welding. The welding
current, real nice if you have a control on the torch or foot pedal, and the
filler rod. Dipping the filler rod in the puddle cools the puddle and
solidifies it. So if you get a hole you feed the filler rod as fast as you
can and fill it right up. I find that wearing a light cotton glove on the
hand holding the filler wire instead of a welding glove gives you much
better control of the rod. Just don't leave any skin showing or you WILL be
sorry!

The filler wire should be kept close to the arc but not close enough to
melt. Because it is hot it will melt into the puddle very smoothly. A cold
rod may freeze in the puddle then burn off, and this can contaminate the
weld. Keeping it close also keeps it in the shielding gas, which helps
reduce contamination.

Note that filler wires are seldom the same allow as the alloy you are
welding. For instance 4047 is very popular for 6000 series aluminum.
Someone once asked me to weld the broken generator bracket on a VW block. I
welded it with 4047 and it looked beautiful. About 5 minutes later when it
cooled we heard a pop and the weld fell on the floor! He had another broken
mount so I ran it through the bandsaw and cut some crude filler rods. That
worked great and the weld worked very well.

Have fun.

Gary H. Lucas

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:57:31 GMT, "Gary H. Lucas"
wrote:

shielding gas

Is Gunner using any?
--
Cliff

Which is why all the nearby Socialists come to the US for treatment.

Except for the people I know that had to move to Canada to get treatment
they couldn't afford here in the U.S. Only the richest or poorest people
come here for medical treatment. For most people this country doesn't offer
the best health care, or the many who can't afford any. Or else why are so
many Americans traveling to Asia for operations and treatments they can't
afford here?



Communism gives you stainless steel teeth and a bullet to the back of
the skull.

No, that's not Communism, that's a ruthless dictatorship that does that.
Masquerading as Communism was the way Stalin, the dictator, did business.
Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao et al., all did the same thing. Pretended to be
Communists when in reality they were simply despots. You can call yourself
anything you want but none of the countries that were supposedly Communist
were ever that in reality.

Hawke

I believe the Aluminum Manufacturers Association or whatever the
correct title recommends constant current for MIG welding aluminum.
Which kind of makes sense to me. You need constant voltage for Short
Arc, but I would think Constant Current would work better for Spray.
Do you have any experience or knowledge on this?

I tried MIG welding aluminum and did not have much luck. Maybe it is
time to try again. For trying to find out the right settings at home,
what thickness of aluminum would you recommend for a beginner to try.

Dan


Gary H. Lucas wrote:

Gunner,
Are you Mig welding aluminum? If so I can give some useful hints. There
are a couple of things that will tell you if you are doing it right.

First, look at the end of the wire sticking out of the gun after welding.
Is the end a sharp point or a round ball? If it is a round ball, then you
are using short arc and aluminum should be welded in spray arc mode. Raise
your voltage a little at a time until you get spray arc.


Please let me know how you make out.

Gary H. Lucas

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:55:51 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:

Which is why all the nearby Socialists come to the US for treatment.

Except for the people I know that had to move to Canada to get treatment
they couldn't afford here in the U.S. Only the richest or poorest people
come here for medical treatment. For most people this country doesn't offer
the best health care, or the many who can't afford any. Or else why are so
many Americans traveling to Asia for operations and treatments they can't
afford here?


You know only the British? On the other hand..one needs only to stand
at the Detroit border crossing to watch hordes of Canadians entering
the US every day for medical care they cannot get, or get in a timely
manner before they die.


Communism gives you stainless steel teeth and a bullet to the back of
the skull.

No, that's not Communism, that's a ruthless dictatorship that does that.
Masquerading as Communism was the way Stalin, the dictator, did business.
Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao et al., all did the same thing. Pretended to be
Communists when in reality they were simply despots. You can call yourself
anything you want but none of the countries that were supposedly Communist
were ever that in reality.

Hawke

Communism ALWAYS winds up in totalitarianism and genocide. Its
inherent with the Manifesto.

Your denial is pitiful.

Gunner

Which is why all the nearby Socialists come to the US for treatment.

Except for the people I know that had to move to Canada to get treatment
they couldn't afford here in the U.S. Only the richest or poorest people
come here for medical treatment. For most people this country doesn't
offer
the best health care, or the many who can't afford any. Or else why are
so
many Americans traveling to Asia for operations and treatments they can't
afford here?


You know only the British? On the other hand..one needs only to stand
at the Detroit border crossing to watch hordes of Canadians entering
the US every day for medical care they cannot get, or get in a timely
manner before they die.

Have you seen the hordes of Americans going the other way to get their drugs
there? As usual you can't see both sides of the issue. All you see is
America is the best whether it is or not. All Canadians are covered by at
least some health care, 50 million Americans have none whatsoever. That
alone out to make a dent in your thick skull that something is wrong when
the richest country in the world doesn't have a good enough system for all
it's people to get health care without going bankrupt. You of all people
should see the flaws in this system. But then you have to have two good eyes
to see and you obviously are impaired. In more ways than one.

Communism gives you stainless steel teeth and a bullet to the back of
the skull.

No, that's not Communism, that's a ruthless dictatorship that does that.
Masquerading as Communism was the way Stalin, the dictator, did business.
Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao et al., all did the same thing. Pretended to be
Communists when in reality they were simply despots. You can call
yourself
anything you want but none of the countries that were supposedly
Communist
were ever that in reality.


Communism ALWAYS winds up in totalitarianism and genocide. Its
inherent with the Manifesto.

Your denial is pitiful.

Not a denial but a simple recitation of fact. Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin
were all dictators, which makes their political systems dictatorships.
Communism is not a dictatorship except by the proletariat, that means the
common people. Did the common people run the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany? I
don't think so. So, none of your examples of "Communism" hold up. They were
dictatorships. That's not an opinion. One man rule isn't Communism. The same
is true for Cuba, that's a dictatorship too. Check the book.

Hawke

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:08:04 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


You know only the British? On the other hand..one needs only to stand
at the Detroit border crossing to watch hordes of Canadians entering
the US every day for medical care they cannot get, or get in a timely
manner before they die.

Have you seen the hordes of Americans going the other way to get their drugs
there? As usual you can't see both sides of the issue.

Actually I can. Unfortunately you ...the Liberal Extremist mind numbed
kook who is in denial.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:52:48 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:08:04 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


You know only the British? On the other hand..one needs only to stand
at the Detroit border crossing to watch hordes of Canadians entering
the US every day for medical care they cannot get, or get in a timely
manner before they die.

Have you seen the hordes of Americans going the other way to get their drugs
there? As usual you can't see both sides of the issue.

Actually I can. Unfortunately you ...the Liberal Extremist mind numbed
kook who is in denial.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Gummer gets his meds from the vet & from Mexico --- per
gummer. And his heart work from the liberal doctors .....
He's too good for American health care.
--
Cliff

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Not a denial but a simple recitation of fact. Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin
were all dictators, which makes their political systems dictatorships.
Communism is not a dictatorship except by the proletariat, that means the
common people. Did the common people run the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany?

Uh, actually the Communist Party ran the Soviet Union, and the Nazi Party
destroyed
Germany and a good part of Europe.

I
don't think so. So, none of your examples of "Communism" hold up. They
were
dictatorships. That's not an opinion. One man rule isn't Communism. The
same
is true for Cuba, that's a dictatorship too. Check the book.

You really are a simple ****, arent you?




--
Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------
Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

Hawke wrote:


Have you seen the hordes of Americans going the other way to get their drugs
there? As usual you can't see both sides of the issue. All you see is
America is the best whether it is or not. All Canadians are covered by at
least some health care, 50 million Americans have none whatsoever.

I'm not sure what you mean by "health care" and I'm
not sure where you get the 50 million number. That
said, virtually everyone in the US can get subsidized
health care if he/she is poor enough. A case in point
is a coworker of mine that got a $250,000 bone marrow
transplant at Stanford hospital for a couple thousand
dollars.

That
alone out to make a dent in your thick skull that something is wrong when
the richest country in the world doesn't have a good enough system for all
it's people to get health care without going bankrupt. You of all people
should see the flaws in this system. But then you have to have two good eyes
to see and you obviously are impaired. In more ways than one.

Well, there is a big problem, but it's not that we're
unwilling to spend the money. The US spends more
per-capita for healthcare than any other nation. The
trick is to make it work well for those who can afford
it and make it work tolerable well for those who can't.

Medical care is one of those issues that absolutely
cannot please both the free-enterprise crowd and the
social-equity crowd. Throw the profit-hungry drug
and medical profession into it and it's a guaranteed
mess.

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:44:46 -0700, Jim Stewart
wrote:

virtually everyone in the US can get subsidized
health care if he/she is poor enough.

How so?
Told Gunner yet?
--
Cliff

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:44:46 -0700, Jim Stewart
wrote:

The US spends more
per-capita for healthcare than any other nation.

With rather poor results overall.
--
Cliff

You really are a simple ****, arent you?

If I'm simple just think what that makes you. A moron.

I'm not sure what you mean by "health care" and I'm
not sure where you get the 50 million number. That
said, virtually everyone in the US can get subsidized
health care if he/she is poor enough. A case in point
is a coworker of mine that got a $250,000 bone marrow
transplant at Stanford hospital for a couple thousand
dollars.

The last figures I heard for uninsured was between 44 and 49 million people
and it's been going up since Bush became president. Poverty in general is up
at least a million this year alone. But that's 50 million in round numbers.
It also doesn't take into consideration all the people that are
underinsured. Those are the people who find out when a health care problem
happens that they get almost nothing covered by their insurance companies or
HMOs.


That
alone out to make a dent in your thick skull that something is wrong
when
the richest country in the world doesn't have a good enough system for
all
it's people to get health care without going bankrupt. You of all people
should see the flaws in this system. But then you have to have two good
eyes
to see and you obviously are impaired. In more ways than one.

Well, there is a big problem, but it's not that we're
unwilling to spend the money. The US spends more
per-capita for healthcare than any other nation. The
trick is to make it work well for those who can afford
it and make it work tolerable well for those who can't.

You are correct. The U.S. spends more than any other industrialized nation
for health care yet can't cover everyone. That just shows how poor we're
doing. If I remember correctly we spend close to 13% of our dollars on
health care. In Europe and Canada it's under 6%. It's obvious that the way
we're doing it works very poorly. Except for the companies in the health
care delivery business.


Medical care is one of those issues that absolutely
cannot please both the free-enterprise crowd and the
social-equity crowd. Throw the profit-hungry drug
and medical profession into it and it's a guaranteed
mess.

You are right there. We just have to face the fact that the private
enterprise system for delivering health care to 300 million Americans won't
work. I think it's safe to say that we have tried it and it has not worked.
If we were not such a crooked and corrupt country we would look at what
every other country is doing, see what works and what doesn't, and create a
new system that does at the minimum a good job of caring for everyone. We
could do it but it's a matter of overcoming special interests, which is why
nothing has changed for so long. Those with the gold make the rules and they
like things the way they are. After we go broke then we'll do what I am
recommending, but not before.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote...
[ snip ]
Medical care is one of those issues that absolutely
cannot please both the free-enterprise crowd and the
social-equity crowd. Throw the profit-hungry drug
and medical profession into it and it's a guaranteed
mess.

You are right there. We just have to face the fact that the private
enterprise system for delivering health care to 300 million Americans
won't
work. I think it's safe to say that we have tried it and it has not
worked.

Perhaps we haven't tried hard enough?

We've been trying "gun control" in various forms since Reconstruction, and
it hasn't worked. Yet we keep trying it, regardless of cost (monetary and
non-monetary), and it's still failing miserably.

We've been trying "drug prohibition" in various forms since
I-don't-know-when, and it hasn't worked. Yet we keep trying it, regardless
of cost (monetary and non-monetary), and it's still failing miserably.

So why not keep trying the free-enterprise delivery systems for health care?
What have we got to lose, that we haven't already lost?

If we were not such a crooked and corrupt country we would look at what
every other country is doing, see what works and what doesn't, and create
a
new system that does at the minimum a good job of caring for everyone. We
could do it but it's a matter of overcoming special interests, which is
why
nothing has changed for so long.

And then there's that "embarrassing" 13th Amendment....

Those with the gold make the rules and they
like things the way they are.

And too many of those without the gold are simply unwilling to try to earn
some of it from the "haves"; content instead to sit back and demand that
"somebody" send in the "men with guns" to expropriate *all* of it, and NOT
for the purpose of "equal redistribution". (If you really think they would
redistribute the gold equally, then I want to sell you some ocean-front real
estate in Leadville, Colorado.)

After we go broke then we'll do what I am recommending, but not before.

Don't hold your breath.

-jc-


Hawke

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:40:25 GMT, "John Chase"
wrote:

"Hawke" wrote...
[ snip ]
Medical care is one of those issues that absolutely
cannot please both the free-enterprise crowd and the
social-equity crowd. Throw the profit-hungry drug
and medical profession into it and it's a guaranteed
mess.

You are right there. We just have to face the fact that the private
enterprise system for delivering health care to 300 million Americans
won't
work. I think it's safe to say that we have tried it and it has not
worked.

Perhaps we haven't tried hard enough?

We've been trying "gun control" in various forms since Reconstruction, and
it hasn't worked. Yet we keep trying it, regardless of cost (monetary and
non-monetary), and it's still failing miserably.

We've not really tried.
That's part of the problem perhaps.

We've been trying "drug prohibition" in various forms since
I-don't-know-when, and it hasn't worked. Yet we keep trying it, regardless
of cost (monetary and non-monetary), and it's still failing miserably.

Those are the fundies at work again.
Legalize such things.

Dancing too.

So why not keep trying the free-enterprise delivery systems for health care?
What have we got to lose, that we haven't already lost?

It's not really open free enterprise. They have a VERY stong
union and lots of very expensive lobbiests.

Ever try to get a fixed price quote from a hospital or doctor? Or
a lawyer ?

If we were not such a crooked and corrupt country we would look at what
every other country is doing, see what works and what doesn't, and create
a
new system that does at the minimum a good job of caring for everyone. We
could do it but it's a matter of overcoming special interests, which is
why
nothing has changed for so long.

And then there's that "embarrassing" 13th Amendment....

Lots of wingers are still bent.

Those with the gold make the rules and they
like things the way they are.

And too many of those without the gold are simply unwilling to try to earn
some of it from the "haves"; content instead to sit back and demand that
"somebody" send in the "men with guns" to expropriate *all* of it, and NOT
for the purpose of "equal redistribution". (If you really think they would
redistribute the gold equally, then I want to sell you some ocean-front real
estate in Leadville, Colorado.)

Ask gunner about prime bunkers G.
--
Cliff

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 23:52:07 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


You really are a simple ****, arent you?

If I'm simple just think what that makes you. A moron.

Actually...that doesnt follow. Given that he gave the correct
answer..and you gave the typical appologists answer...Id say he was
correct in all portions of his statements and you incorrect in all.

You remind me of a retarded child, after being corrected that the sun
does not come up in the north..tells the corrector that his mother
wears army boots.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:04:00 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:

The last figures I heard for uninsured was between 44 and 49 million people
and it's been going up since Bush became president.


Its been going down since George Washington was president.
Its been going up since Clinton was president.

You are an ignorant **** as another poster diagnosed correct.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:04:00 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:

If we were not such a crooked and corrupt country we would look at what
every other country is doing,

Move. France would love to have an ignorant **** like yourself. You
would fit right in.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner