http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
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The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.
]

Cliff wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.

Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
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Cliff wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.

Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?


How about 5 that aren't.

--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:20:57 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
Cliff wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.

Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?


How about 5 that aren't.

Me.
Sue

"Sue" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:20:57 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
Cliff wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here's the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.

Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?


How about 5 that aren't.

Me.
Sue


Let me rephrase it then. 5 that are well paid - let's set the bar at GS 15+
and see if you are in that group- , what they do and why they are a bargain
at that pay grade.
My question/comment was poorly worded. You thought I meant low wage and I
didn't.

--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:48:26 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"Sue" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:20:57 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
Cliff wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here's the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.

Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?


How about 5 that aren't.

Me.
Sue


Let me rephrase it then. 5 that are well paid - let's set the bar at GS 15+
and see if you are in that group- , what they do and why they are a bargain
at that pay grade.

I'm not federal so there's no GS anything. After 18 years at my job I
made really close to $40,000 last year, but that was with lots of OT.

My question/comment was poorly worded. You thought I meant low wage and I
didn't.

I thought you meant a list of 5 civil servants who *aren't* overpaid
implying that they all are. I'm neither over nor under paid IMHO.
Sue

Jim Stewart wrote:
Cliff wrote:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

Here's a start:

Mark A. Emmert of the University of Washington is the highest-paid
public university president, earning $762,000 this academic year. Carl
V. Patton of Georgia State, who receives $722,350, and Mary Sue Coleman
of the University of Michigan, who receives $677,500, rank second and third.

No wonder tuition is so high
"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jim Stewart wrote:
Cliff wrote:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

Here's a start:

Mark A. Emmert of the University of Washington is the highest-paid public
university president, earning $762,000 this academic year. Carl V. Patton
of Georgia State, who receives $722,350, and Mary Sue Coleman of the
University of Michigan, who receives $677,500, rank second and third.

Kevin wrote:
No wonder tuition is so high
"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...

Jim Stewart wrote:

Cliff wrote:


http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

Here's a start:

Mark A. Emmert of the University of Washington is the highest-paid public
university president, earning $762,000 this academic year. Carl V. Patton
of Georgia State, who receives $722,350, and Mary Sue Coleman of the
University of Michigan, who receives $677,500, rank second and third.

They are definately NOT worth it.

Are they the highest paid individual at the school? What does the football
team coach make?
Don't tell me the president is overpaid. Try the job for once. Oh, and to
get it, you have to start with a prestigious PhD. and then struggle for
tenure, prior to getting into management.
They work.
"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
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Jim Stewart wrote:
Cliff wrote:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

Here's a start:

Mark A. Emmert of the University of Washington is the highest-paid public
university president, earning $762,000 this academic year. Carl V. Patton
of Georgia State, who receives $722,350, and Mary Sue Coleman of the
University of Michigan, who receives $677,500, rank second and third.

Jim Stewart wrote:
Cliff wrote:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

These are examples of how the laws allow a conspiracy to plunder the
company.

Lets face it, a good, competant MBA could manage these companies MUCH
better and would probably feel overpaid at $250,000.

These idiots plunder the stockholders at a 40 M$ pay, and then screw the
company over. Criminal. Gut 'em and hang 'em with their own guts from
lamp posts on Wall Street.

"Stuart Grey" wrote in message
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SNIP|
| These are examples of how the laws allow a conspiracy to plunder the
| company.
|
| Lets face it, a good, competant MBA could manage these companies MUCH
| better and would probably feel overpaid at $250,000.

I would love dearly to have a job like that.... yeah right. My wife
thinks so too, until I explain that it ain't no 9 to 5 job, and she'd rarely
see me. All it takes is _one_ executive to **** up, even in a very small
way, to cost thousands their jobs. My employer, Boeing, hired a woman right
after she gave the company some preferential treatment. That's one mistake.
They also hired her daughter and the daughter's boyfriend. The daughter
started the ball rolling. Said her mom wanted to work for Boeing because
she really "likes the integrity" of the company. I and many of my coworkers
had spent massive amounts of time helping to design and build that plane,
and were almost done with the first one (paid for out of the company's
pocket, to boot!) when that **** hit the fan. One sonuvabitch is all it
took. Phil Condit, an engineer who worked his way up to the top, got caught
banging his secretary (his predecessor had his pants down so often that a
large Seattle hotel remodeled a monster suite just for him and his rotating
lays) and that was enough, especially after we all just got done signing
ethics pledges. We all watched him sign it, too, on video, and that was
done for folks who think rules don't apply to the top. It was bad what he
did, but I'm glad he stepped down rather than **** up any more on the
company's behalf. I give him credit for that, although banging his
secretary isn't usually a firing offense in my book unless it affected his
ability to do his job.
On the other hand, janitors, if they **** up, nobody dies or loses their
jobs other than their own, at worst. I've seen gobs and gobs of "competent"
MBA's come through, starting out as managing a crew building the airplane.
Couldn't tell their ass from a hole in the ground. One out of a dozen was
worth a ****. One. Last I heard he was a director after a few years.
Smart guys move up quick. I was glad to know him.
Many companies, when big sales are on the line, send out the CEO to do
business, and big clients like knowing that the very top is part of it.
Personal guarantee. I can easily imagine that one odd look will be enough
to blow a billion dollar sale. If he makes a deal that keeps the lines
humming for many more years, I don't have a problem paying him a great wage.
On the other hand, the CEO of a company had better not think of it as "his"
company, 'cuz I'll be in front of the line to kick his ass out.
I look at it this way: Pay equals performance equals pay. Anyone who's
worked in assorted jobs understands the value of good management and
leadership, and the critical nature of their skills as it relates to the
health of the company and its employees. You can also look at it this way.
Any company with a CEO has a board of directors. The board of directors are
voted in by the stockholders. Should the stockholders not like the course
of business, they can call on the directors to chop his head off. Should
the board of directors choose not to, then their own jobs are on the line.
Since they are also major stockholders, they stand to loose gobs of money
when bad things happen. Bill Gates has done a wonderful job of infiltrating
every segment of society with his software, and it has done many good things
for the world. Some bad, as debatable, but for the most part very good
things. Since he's done so well, I have no problem with him making as much
money as he does. I hear he's a bit of an ass, while Paul Allen is cool,
but his sister runs Vulcan enterprises and is the royal bitch of all
bitches. Obviously she didn't earn all Paul's money!
Everyone has a boss, you see, even if it _is_ the wife of the owner!

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:22:50 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

Jim Stewart wrote:
Cliff wrote:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

These are examples of how the laws allow a conspiracy to plunder the
company.

Lets face it, a good, competant MBA could manage these companies MUCH
better and would probably feel overpaid at $250,000.

These idiots plunder the stockholders at a 40 M$ pay, and then screw the
company over. Criminal. Gut 'em and hang 'em with their own guts from
lamp posts on Wall Street.

Can you give some specific example of this behavior
(plundering a company)? It's easy to claim it happens. I'd
like to see an example, with the name of the company and
what it is the evil executives are supposed to have done to
it.

--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

"Robert Sturgeon" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:22:50 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

Jim Stewart wrote:
Cliff wrote:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here's the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

These are examples of how the laws allow a conspiracy to plunder the
company.


Can you give some specific example of this behavior
(plundering a company)? It's easy to claim it happens. I'd
like to see an example, with the name of the company and
what it is the evil executives are supposed to have done to
it.



These have either gone or are going to jail except for Lowell Milken. Mike
went for him.

Dennis Kozloski, Tyco. Theft. Fraud, Conversion.
Bernie Ebbers, WorldCom. Theft. Fraud, Conversion.
Michael Milken and his brother Lowell, Drexel Burnham. Perjury, conversion,
Fraud ( Trade Parking )

You can also easily search on the following for details.

Jeffrey Skilling, Enron.
Kenneth Lay, Enron.
Ivan Boesky, various closed funds.
Thomas Case, Global Crossing Ltd.
Joseph Perrone, Global Crossing Ltd.
Dan Cohrs, Global Crossing Ltd.
Sir James Goldsmith, Various, but his run at Good Year is a classic example
of greenmail.
Ronald Perlman, another green mailer. He did end up with Revlon in the end.
Over the years Robert, there have been literally hundreds of instances.

--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

John R. Carroll wrote:
"Robert Sturgeon" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:22:50 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:


Jim Stewart wrote:

Cliff wrote:


http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here's the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

These are examples of how the laws allow a conspiracy to plunder the
company.


Can you give some specific example of this behavior
(plundering a company)? It's easy to claim it happens. I'd
like to see an example, with the name of the company and
what it is the evil executives are supposed to have done to
it.




These have either gone or are going to jail except for Lowell Milken. Mike
went for him.

Dennis Kozloski, Tyco. Theft. Fraud, Conversion.
Bernie Ebbers, WorldCom. Theft. Fraud, Conversion.
Michael Milken and his brother Lowell, Drexel Burnham. Perjury, conversion,
Fraud ( Trade Parking )

You can also easily search on the following for details.

Jeffrey Skilling, Enron.
Kenneth Lay, Enron.
Ivan Boesky, various closed funds.
Thomas Case, Global Crossing Ltd.
Joseph Perrone, Global Crossing Ltd.
Dan Cohrs, Global Crossing Ltd.
Sir James Goldsmith, Various, but his run at Good Year is a classic example
of greenmail.
Ronald Perlman, another green mailer. He did end up with Revlon in the end.
Over the years Robert, there have been literally hundreds of instances.


There are a few bad apples in every barrel. Corporate corruption is an
aberration, not the norm. Most CEOs are doing an outstanding job, and
they are worth every single penny they get.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:35:54 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"Robert Sturgeon" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:22:50 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

Jim Stewart wrote:
Cliff wrote:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here's the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

These are examples of how the laws allow a conspiracy to plunder the
company.


Can you give some specific example of this behavior
(plundering a company)? It's easy to claim it happens. I'd
like to see an example, with the name of the company and
what it is the evil executives are supposed to have done to
it.



These have either gone or are going to jail except for Lowell Milken. Mike
went for him.

Dennis Kozloski, Tyco. Theft. Fraud, Conversion.

Tyco is still in business.

Bernie Ebbers, WorldCom. Theft. Fraud, Conversion.

WorldCom was a fraud from the getgo - pure vapor. It would
have been gone regardless of what the execs did.

Michael Milken and his brother Lowell, Drexel Burnham. Perjury, conversion,
Fraud ( Trade Parking )

You can also easily search on the following for details.

Jeffrey Skilling, Enron.
Kenneth Lay, Enron.
Ivan Boesky, various closed funds.
Thomas Case, Global Crossing Ltd.
Joseph Perrone, Global Crossing Ltd.
Dan Cohrs, Global Crossing Ltd.
Sir James Goldsmith, Various, but his run at Good Year is a classic example
of greenmail.
Ronald Perlman, another green mailer. He did end up with Revlon in the end.
Over the years Robert, there have been literally hundreds of instances.

That's quite a list, but you haven't detailed what they
actually DID. Did any of them ruin a company by stealing
from it?

What were the examples of "green mail"? How did that work?

I'm NOT saying there hasn't been some bad behavior. I'd
just like people to be a little more exact, rather than
throwing out wild claims without any explanation of what the
crimes were supposed to be.

I don't particularly trust Fortune 500 executives, and I
doubt they really run the companies strictly for the benefit
of the stockholders, as they should. But to say, for
example, "Dan Cohrs, Global Crossing Ltd." as if that's
supposed to mean anything, is a bit much. Who is Dan Cohrs,
and what did he do to Global Crossing?

--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

Robert Sturgeon wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:22:50 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:


Jim Stewart wrote:

Cliff wrote:


http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

These are examples of how the laws allow a conspiracy to plunder the
company.

Lets face it, a good, competant MBA could manage these companies MUCH
better and would probably feel overpaid at $250,000.

These idiots plunder the stockholders at a 40 M$ pay, and then screw the
company over. Criminal. Gut 'em and hang 'em with their own guts from
lamp posts on Wall Street.


Can you give some specific example of this behavior
(plundering a company)?

Someone else provided many good examples of CEOs who were plundering the
company.

You also need to read the website. These guys were raking in tens of
millions of dollars even as they lost over 70% of the shareholder's
equity during times when the economy was doing good.

It's easy to claim it happens. I'd
like to see an example, with the name of the company and
what it is the evil executives are supposed to have done to
it.

There was that guy at Boeing who Lockheed accused of being in on a deal
where they got preferential treatment from an air force buyer, and then
gave the air force buyer a nice VP job as payoff. Billions of taxpayer
money was wasted so these people can rake in a few millions. The CEO of
Boeing was pretty much untouchable, but you knew that the Air Force just
didn't trust him.

Then, suddenly, the CEO was fired for having an affair at some corporate
paid for drunken orgy, and then just days after he was fired, the Air
Force announced that it would do business with Boeing again.

Corrupt as hell. These guys plunder the company and the country.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:05:18 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

Robert Sturgeon wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:22:50 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:


Jim Stewart wrote:

Cliff wrote:


http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

These are examples of how the laws allow a conspiracy to plunder the
company.

Lets face it, a good, competant MBA could manage these companies MUCH
better and would probably feel overpaid at $250,000.

These idiots plunder the stockholders at a 40 M$ pay, and then screw the
company over. Criminal. Gut 'em and hang 'em with their own guts from
lamp posts on Wall Street.


Can you give some specific example of this behavior
(plundering a company)?

Someone else provided many good examples of CEOs who were plundering the
company.

You also need to read the website.

I don't accept mandatory reading assignments from usenet
posters.

These guys were raking in tens of
millions of dollars even as they lost over 70% of the shareholder's
equity during times when the economy was doing good.

Isn't that the shareholders' responsibility? - to either
change the board of directors or sell their stock? Why are
they so passive?

It's easy to claim it happens. I'd
like to see an example, with the name of the company and
what it is the evil executives are supposed to have done to
it.

There was that guy at Boeing who Lockheed accused of being in on a deal
where they got preferential treatment from an air force buyer, and then
gave the air force buyer a nice VP job as payoff. Billions of taxpayer
money was wasted so these people can rake in a few millions. The CEO of
Boeing was pretty much untouchable, but you knew that the Air Force just
didn't trust him.

Sorry - I just don't understand that story. How do you know
whom the Air Force trusted, and whom they didn't trust, and
why?

Then, suddenly, the CEO was fired for having an affair at some corporate
paid for drunken orgy, and then just days after he was fired, the Air
Force announced that it would do business with Boeing again.

Corrupt as hell. These guys plunder the company and the country.

You'll have to give a more complete explanation of the
events you mention before I'll accept your conclusions.
Boeing seems to be doing extremely well nowadays. Its
executives apparently didn't ruin the company. As for
Boeing plundering the country - I don't see how they can do
that. Do they have some way of forcing the Air Force to buy
their stuff, and pay too much for it? Or do they just go
directly to the Treasury and do an armed robbery?

--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:05:18 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

Someone else provided many good examples of CEOs who were plundering the
company.

You also need to read the website. These guys were raking in tens of
millions of dollars even as they lost over 70% of the shareholder's
equity during times when the economy was doing good.

Republicans & shrubbie's buddies ?
The neocons may have gutted the SEC too.
--
Cliff

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:05:18 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

There was that guy at Boeing who Lockheed accused of being in on a deal
where they got preferential treatment from an air force buyer, and then
gave the air force buyer a nice VP job as payoff. Billions of taxpayer
money was wasted so these people can rake in a few millions.

Much of which seems to have gone into the shrubbie's coffers
if this is that tanker deal. And it was a woman, IIRC.
--
Cliff

In article , Jim Stewart says...

Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?

The single highest-paid public employee in Westchester
(NY) county is Janine Piro's bodyguard/driver, who will
be earning about $250K this year. Piro is the county
district attorney and claims that she needs protection.

She's the only DA in all of NY state with a bodyguard.

Probably she needs the protection because she's all
mobbed up. Not suprising given her husband's connections.

Still a quarter million dollars per year is a lot for
a driver.

Jim


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jim rozen wrote:
In article , Jim Stewart says...


Good list, can't disagree. Now how about
finding us a list of the 5 most over-paid
civil servants?


The single highest-paid public employee in Westchester
(NY) county is Janine Piro's bodyguard/driver, who will
be earning about $250K this year. Piro is the county
district attorney and claims that she needs protection.

She's the only DA in all of NY state with a bodyguard.

Probably she needs the protection because she's all
mobbed up. Not suprising given her husband's connections.

Still a quarter million dollars per year is a lot for
a driver.

Jim



Thanks Jim! I don't feel so bad now. Just last night I was perusing the
county website listing of positions and salaries. I don't recall the
position at the moment, but the highest paid was barely under $190,000.
Then a few near $180k, numerically more at $170k, etc. Add the benefits
package and it gets more ridiculous. Also, several dept super positions
have something called "management leave". That amounts to additional
paid hours that are accrued based on the number of hours worked. In
other words, they get this for showing up! Most of these positions, if
not all, that recieve this extra paid time are salaried well over
$100,000. One would think that would be sufficient incentive to come to
work. Maybe even do an honest day of work, too.

mike

Jim,
I've been reading your BS for years and finally have something to tell you:
1) For all you claim to know, why aren't you making in excess of $ 250,000 ?
2) The man is a Bodygaurd. Would you put your ass on the line for $ 250,000
?
3) You folks in Westchester pay exorbidant taxes, if you want to save money,
gut the "Free Cheese".
4) They are getting a good deal for $250,000. He is doing two jobs. Usually
there is a driver and a Bodyguard.
5) Why don't you try out for the Bodyguards job ? You too much of a pussy ?



The single highest-paid public employee in Westchester
(NY) county is Janine Piro's bodyguard/driver, who will
be earning about $250K this year. Piro is the county
district attorney and claims that she needs protection.

She's the only DA in all of NY state with a bodyguard.

Probably she needs the protection because she's all
mobbed up. Not suprising given her husband's connections.

Still a quarter million dollars per year is a lot for
a driver.

Jim


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In article , Kevin says...

Jim,
I've been reading your BS for years and finally have something to tell you:

Why wait my friend, nobody else does. Feel free to vent your
spleen. Everyone else does.


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Sorry Jim. I was in a bad mood. You do offer up some great advice. We just
have different political views... Please accept my apology..
"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Kevin says...

Jim,
I've been reading your BS for years and finally have something to tell
you:

Why wait my friend, nobody else does. Feel free to vent your
spleen. Everyone else does.


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"Kevin" wrote in message
...
Jim,
I've been reading your BS for years and finally have something to tell
you:
1) For all you claim to know, why aren't you making in excess of $ 250,000
?
2) The man is a Bodygaurd. Would you put your ass on the line for $
250,000 ?
3) You folks in Westchester pay exorbidant taxes, if you want to save
money, gut the "Free Cheese".
4) They are getting a good deal for $250,000. He is doing two jobs.
Usually there is a driver and a Bodyguard.
5) Why don't you try out for the Bodyguards job ? You too much of a pussy
?

Those jobs always go to a well connected cop, usually near retirement. I
don't think they're holding any "tryouts"!

The single highest-paid public employee in Westchester
(NY) county is Janine Piro's bodyguard/driver, who will
be earning about $250K this year. Piro is the county
district attorney and claims that she needs protection.

She's the only DA in all of NY state with a bodyguard.

Probably she needs the protection because she's all
mobbed up. Not suprising given her husband's connections.

Still a quarter million dollars per year is a lot for
a driver.

Jim


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[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here's the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.
]


The Republican response: what's the problem this is a capitalist system,
it's their money, they earned it. They had a contract. They can't ever see
anything beyond that.

Hawke

Cliff wrote:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer.
]

These CEOs are responsible for generating millions of dollars in profits
and they keep tens of thousands of workers employed. If a corporation
makes, let's say, 10 billion in profit in a given year, then the CEO of
that corporation deserves to be paid a salary in the 50 to 100 million
dollar range. And what's wrong with that? A good performing CEO is worth
his or her weight in gold, and they deserve every cent of what they
receive in compensation.

I agree that it is hard to question the pay of sucessfull CEO's. But
the web site Cliff sited had five that were well paid while the company
suffered. It also had five that were modestly paid while their
companies prospered.

Dan
JayCee wrote:


These CEOs are responsible for generating millions of dollars in profits
and they keep tens of thousands of workers employed. If a corporation
makes, let's say, 10 billion in profit in a given year, then the CEO of
that corporation deserves to be paid a salary in the 50 to 100 million
dollar range. And what's wrong with that? A good performing CEO is worth
his or her weight in gold, and they deserve every cent of what they
receive in compensation.

JayCee wrote:
Cliff wrote:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...0.asp?GT1=6820
[
The 5 most outrageously overpaid CEOs

Here’s the pantheon of execs whose paychecks soar while their
companies suffer. ]


These CEOs are responsible for generating millions of dollars in profits
and they keep tens of thousands of workers employed. If a corporation
makes, let's say, 10 billion in profit in a given year, then the CEO of
that corporation deserves to be paid a salary in the 50 to 100 million
dollar range. And what's wrong with that?

First of all, the CEO is almost NEVER responsible for the profits.

Secondly, you can get a much better CEO for a lot cheaper than this.

Thirdly, the CEOS are picked by a bunch of racketters who should be
busted under the RICO statute.

A good performing CEO is worth
his or her weight in gold, and they deserve every cent of what they
receive in compensation.

These particular CEOS were raking in millions of dollars and lost 3/4s
of the value of the company. In other words, they were incompetant as
well as overpaid.

In article , Stuart Grey says...

These particular CEOS were raking in millions of dollars and lost 3/4s
of the value of the company. In other words, they were incompetant as
well as overpaid.

Actually for skilling and lay, it was 100% of the company that was lost.

Skilling went from CEO to CFO and then jumped ship before the
fecal material hit the rotary oscillator however.

Jim


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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:22:08 -0700, Koz
wrote:

Of course in the big scheme of things it still proves that crime pays.

Anyone recall "Kenny Boy" Lay?
Tom Delay?
Cheney & Halliburton?
Rumsfeld?
Bush & the "WMDs"?
Any of the others?

BTW, Sounds like pork & patronage are ALREADY
rampant in the hurricane disaster relief & rebuilding "efforts".
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Cliff