I was helping a machine tool dealer close down his business over the
last couple weeks (Dimension Tooling, Santa Ana, California) and wound
up with a couple trailer loads of Stuff

Amongst the odds and ends are about 6 sets of new, or nearly new what
appear to be stock Harley Davidson motorcycle exhaust pipes. All
appear to be in excellent condition, with little if any rust, and only
a small bit of blue. Id assume these were factory pipes removed for
replacement with customs

Anyone have any interest in the whole lot of em?

If they dont fit a BMW R90/6..I dont have any use for em. Id consider
a trade for a couple sets for a set of mufflers FOR an R90/6 btw...

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:46:34 +0100, Gunner wrote:

Amongst the odds and ends are about 6 sets of new, or nearly new what
appear to be stock Harley Davidson motorcycle exhaust pipes. All appear
to be in excellent condition, with little if any rust, and only a small
bit of blue. Id assume these were factory pipes removed for replacement
with customs

Anyone have any interest in the whole lot of em?

try asking on alt.tractors or rec.agricultural_machinery.

you might be sitting on a lot of money if they're original hd, and off
a pan or shovel head model.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:46:34 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

I was helping a machine tool dealer close down his business over the
last couple weeks (Dimension Tooling, Santa Ana, California) and wound
up with a couple trailer loads of Stuff

Amongst the odds and ends are about 6 sets of new, or nearly new what
appear to be stock Harley Davidson motorcycle exhaust pipes. All
appear to be in excellent condition, with little if any rust, and only
a small bit of blue. Id assume these were factory pipes removed for
replacement with customs

Anyone have any interest in the whole lot of em?

If they dont fit a BMW R90/6..I dont have any use for em. Id consider
a trade for a couple sets for a set of mufflers FOR an R90/6 btw...

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Suggest you post in alt.motorcycles.harley


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

This post was from GUNNER?! I thought he said he
used to wear colors. Those kinda guys would know
how to make some money out of them. Whatsa matter?
Won't they talk to you any more Gunny? Owe 'em
money? Maybe you could gift them and help yourself
out.

I knew you were full of ****. Calling me names and
then not knowing what to do with Harley parts. Ye.
You knew a biker once.






"Mike Patterson"
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:46:34 GMT, Gunner

wrote:

I was helping a machine tool dealer close down
his business over the
last couple weeks (Dimension Tooling, Santa Ana,
California) and wound
up with a couple trailer loads of Stuff

Amongst the odds and ends are about 6 sets of
new, or nearly new what
appear to be stock Harley Davidson motorcycle
exhaust pipes. All
appear to be in excellent condition, with little
if any rust, and only
a small bit of blue. Id assume these were
factory pipes removed for
replacement with customs

Anyone have any interest in the whole lot of em?

If they dont fit a BMW R90/6..I dont have any
use for em. Id consider
a trade for a couple sets for a set of mufflers
FOR an R90/6 btw...

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Suggest you post in alt.motorcycles.harley


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have
been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:23:20 -0400, "Kathy"
wrote:

This post was from GUNNER?! I thought he said he
used to wear colors. Those kinda guys would know
how to make some money out of them. Whatsa matter?
Won't they talk to you any more Gunny? Owe 'em
money? Maybe you could gift them and help yourself
out.

I knew you were full of ****. Calling me names and
then not knowing what to do with Harley parts. Ye.
You knew a biker once.


Want to run with the big dogs? Keep it up and Ill treat you like one
of the guys. And it might hurt your feelings Maam.

I rode with a club in 1974...and decided that the folks were too crazy
for me to ride with. Id not been out of Letterman Hospital too long
when I went back to Michigan, and visited an army buddy who was a
member of this particular club. He sponsored me in. Shrug.

The dudes were animals. The women were worse. Mean drunks, mainlining
junkies and speed freaks. I didnt mind the "excitement" or the
occasonal gun fight..but it was the idea I might wind up in the
graybar hotel that tended to put me off a bit. I managed to be
somewhere else during the robberies and whatnot..but even though I
was something of an adrenaline junky...when they told me to run a
couple keys of heroin into Fort Wayne..I decided that they were a bit
much for me...and I very quietly pitched my tent, left my colors
behind and bailed. It was a fun year..but...I didnt make two tours in
SEA to get killed by a junky, or by one of Sonny's soldiers in a turf
dispute, or wind up doing hard time in Jackson State Prison.

Now Maam, feel free to hold just about any stupid opinon you care to.
Based on some of your previous ones..Id expect more of the same from
you. And it looks like I got another one.

As for calling you names...I dont remember calling you Bitch. Did I?
Im usually much more polite about keeping those sorts of opinions to
myself, particularly in regards to females.

As to who I rode with..ever heard the name Lennie Braund? I recall
hearing he came to a bad end in a bank robbery or some such. He was
president at the time.

As for Harley parts..its been years since Ive been on one of those
pieces of ****. I prefered Trumpets, though did own a 54 panhead
once. It was a year younger than me, springer front, pill seat,
suicide shift, hard tail, medium ape hangers. ****ed with my kidneys
bad on Michigan roads. It had a sissy bar with crossed
bayonets..removable and sharp ,which came in handy once. Shrug. I
sold it not long after I left the club..didnt need the hassle I got
from the cops, and bought another Bonneville with the cash. I sold it
a couple years later when I got married and was traveling with an oil
and gas exploration crew. Too hard to drag it along. Shrug. Rode
Hondas off and on, for some time after that...then went to BMWs and
never looked back. Ive long lost the need to be a noise and shine
biker. No need to have an entire wardrobe with HD logos to prove
something to weekend bikers. Nor do I have any need for a
"lifestyle" based on **** motorcycles and fad. In fact..Ive not had my
scooter on the road in at least 4 yrs. Its way over due to be started
again..been more than 6 months since I blew out the bugs in the jugs.
Thanks for reminding me. Ill probably have to rebuild the Bings pretty
soon..they dont like sitting for years. I do still have a 61 Indian
sitting in my dads garage in Michigan. It is really a Royal
Enfield..but sold badged as an Indian. If I could figure out how to
get it out here to California, I might clean it up, get rid of the
slugs in the tubes, find an original seat and tank, and restore the
old girl. I swapped a Duc Diana for it. Im not sure who screwed who...

Dad rode my M20 for a few years then layed it down on a gravel road,
then sold it before the scabs came off. Damit.

Now if you have something to constructive to say Maam..have at it. If
not..just remember you claimed to have kill filed me a year ago..so
go ahead and actually do it instead of shooting your mouth off. If I
wanted to listen to a woman bitch and whine, Id talk to my ex.

Dont you have some nagahyde and fringe to Armorall? Perhaps paste wax
that custom paint work on your tank?

Btw....this may be of use to you...

http://www.ratbike.org/motorcycho/outlawname.php

lol

Shiva







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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:46:34 GMT, Gunner

wrote:

I was helping a machine tool dealer close down
his business over the
last couple weeks (Dimension Tooling, Santa Ana,
California) and wound
up with a couple trailer loads of Stuff

Amongst the odds and ends are about 6 sets of
new, or nearly new what
appear to be stock Harley Davidson motorcycle
exhaust pipes. All
appear to be in excellent condition, with little
if any rust, and only
a small bit of blue. Id assume these were
factory pipes removed for
replacement with customs

Anyone have any interest in the whole lot of em?

If they dont fit a BMW R90/6..I dont have any
use for em. Id consider
a trade for a couple sets for a set of mufflers
FOR an R90/6 btw...

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Suggest you post in alt.motorcycles.harley


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
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been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin


"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Gunner wrote in
:

Now if you have something to constructive to say Maam..have at it. If
not..just remember you claimed to have kill filed me a year ago..so
go ahead and actually do it instead of shooting your mouth off. If I
wanted to listen to a woman bitch and whine, Id talk to my ex.

Hey, you wanna talk to my ex?

I'll trade ya. I'll call yer ex and bitch and you call mine and bitch.

Na, thats too confusing.

Bing

Gunner,
Having read what you posted, I got to say good for you getting out of
that trap. Seen some friends go too far down that one way road. It
seems alot of those folks really miss the point about what riding is
all about, they want to claim freedom when all they are is a walking
billboard. Most of them are a bad as some of the fundamentalist x-ians
in their turn their nose up in the air attitude towards someone who
rides something other than a hawg.
I think it will be real funny if Cali. gets rid of the helmet law and
all those people who bought their 25K + cookie cutter choppers and $700
leather jackets from the harley clothing store at the mall... you know
the corporate laywer types who have been keeping this fad going.. who
else can afford it? Has to sell them because their wife won't let them
ride without a helmet and the image they want to project will no longer
include a helmet...lol

yep, good to hear you got out, we send a lot of HD machined parts to
the local prision to be polished, cheap source of labor... those guys
live for polishing those parts.. becuase it's the closest they get to
being "In The Wind" for the next 10 to 20.

Gunner,

You've got a beemer and haven't been riding it?
Shame on you :-o

If it hadn't been for motorcycling I'd never have gotten into metalworking.

....
I do still have a 61 Indian
sitting in my dads garage in Michigan. It is really a Royal
Enfield..but sold badged as an Indian. If I could figure out how to
get it out here to California, I might clean it up, get rid of the
slugs in the tubes, find an original seat and tank, and restore the
old girl.
....

From the AMA magazine ads for moving motorcycles (Both Allied Van Lines):

Federal Motorcycle Transport (AMA endorsed) 1 800 747 4100 ext 217 or 218

www.libertymoving.com 888 330 5599 ext 1

I believe both of the them tie the bike on a skid, no crates.

Wayne D.

In article , Gunner says...

In fact..Ive not had my
scooter on the road in at least 4 yrs. Its way over due to be started
again..been more than 6 months since I blew out the bugs in the jugs.
Thanks for reminding me. Ill probably have to rebuild the Bings pretty
soon..they dont like sitting for years.

H/D pipes? Post to rec.motorcycles.harley, they are a decent crowd
there.

As far as your poor R90, do it a favor, take out the plugs and
give each jug a shot of oil, turn it over a few times so all the
valves are closed, and put the plugs back in.

I've had to help several folks recently with pistons siezed up
tight in the bores, from sitting. Not pretty.

The Bing CV carbs respond very favorably to some TLC. Just buy
a gasket kit from Capitol Cycle and also a new set of diaphragms.

Jim


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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:35:48 GMT, Bing wrote:

Gunner wrote in
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Now if you have something to constructive to say Maam..have at it. If
not..just remember you claimed to have kill filed me a year ago..so
go ahead and actually do it instead of shooting your mouth off. If I
wanted to listen to a woman bitch and whine, Id talk to my ex.

Hey, you wanna talk to my ex?

I'll trade ya. I'll call yer ex and bitch and you call mine and bitch.

Na, thats too confusing.

Bing

Same noise, different ride

G

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:20:15 -0500, Wayne
wrote:

Gunner,

You've got a beemer and haven't been riding it?
Shame on you :-o

Sigh..yeah..I know. After my second back surgery..I had a lot of
problems riding. Id be crippled up for an hour or more after getting
off the VF700 or most bikes. So I sold it to one of the local
lawyers. A couple months later one of the phone co. guys I ran with
called me up and asked me if I wanted a Boxer...cheap. So I went to
look at it. It was a father/son project..they had taken it apart to
clean up, repaint yada yada..and had never gotten around to putting it
back together. All neatly labled in 4 large boxes. So I gave the guy
$600 on a Wed afternoon, and Saturday I rode it over to Bakersfield.
And my back felt Great! It had 35,000 on the odo when I got it..and
it now has 187,000 miles on it, I rode 90 miles everyday to and from
work for well over 5 yrs, plus poker runs, etc etc... But when I
started doing the machine tool repair thing, being on the road 5 days
a week..I had too many honey dos on the weekends to ride..so Trudy got
covered up, and pushed into a corner. There is an early 74 Honda XL
350 next to her that I started turning into a desert hunting
bike..that Ive ridden exactly 4 miles on also. No time, and since the
recession and the ex leaving me broke etc etc.little money. But Ill
get to em sooner or later. damnit.

If it hadn't been for motorcycling I'd never have gotten into metalworking.

...
I do still have a 61 Indian
sitting in my dads garage in Michigan. It is really a Royal
Enfield..but sold badged as an Indian. If I could figure out how to
get it out here to California, I might clean it up, get rid of the
slugs in the tubes, find an original seat and tank, and restore the
old girl.
...

From the AMA magazine ads for moving motorcycles (Both Allied Van Lines):

Federal Motorcycle Transport (AMA endorsed) 1 800 747 4100 ext 217 or 218

www.libertymoving.com 888 330 5599 ext 1

I believe both of the them tie the bike on a skid, no crates.

Wayne D.

I wonder how much it would cost...hummm THANKS!!

My sister is a serious biker, lots of charity runs, her boyfriend is a
shriner biker, from what I understand one of the bigwigs, rides in the
parades..does the formation riding etc..out of Oak Park, Michigan, so
I guess it tends to run in the family.


Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On 17 Jul 2005 08:37:39 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

In fact..Ive not had my
scooter on the road in at least 4 yrs. Its way over due to be started
again..been more than 6 months since I blew out the bugs in the jugs.
Thanks for reminding me. Ill probably have to rebuild the Bings pretty
soon..they dont like sitting for years.

H/D pipes? Post to rec.motorcycles.harley, they are a decent crowd
there.

As far as your poor R90, do it a favor, take out the plugs and
give each jug a shot of oil, turn it over a few times so all the
valves are closed, and put the plugs back in.
Ayup.. I do that.

I've had to help several folks recently with pistons siezed up
tight in the bores, from sitting. Not pretty.

Sigh..I posted something to that effect a couple years ago, here.
P'Blaster was what freed mine up. Even on the centerstand, one of the
jugs got wet enough to stick.

The Bing CV carbs respond very favorably to some TLC. Just buy
a gasket kit from Capitol Cycle and also a new set of diaphragms.

Jim

Ayup. And thanks

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Gunner wrote:

I swapped a Duc Diana for it. Im not sure who screwed who...

A pristine 250 Diana can fetch $6k or more, if that helps any...G

Jon

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:41:33 -0700, Jon Anderson
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

I swapped a Duc Diana for it. Im not sure who screwed who...

A pristine 250 Diana can fetch $6k or more, if that helps any...G

Jon

Sigh...should have hung on to it. Had the jones really bad for the
Indian/Enfield though and 30 odd years ago..the 250 wasnt much..shrug.

Now the Indian/Enfield isnt worth much..and the lil one is. Story of
my life

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:41:33 -0700, Jon Anderson
wrote:


Gunner wrote:


I swapped a Duc Diana for it. Im not sure who screwed who...

A pristine 250 Diana can fetch $6k or more, if that helps any...G

Jon


Sigh...should have hung on to it. Had the jones really bad for the
Indian/Enfield though and 30 odd years ago..the 250 wasnt much..shrug.

Now the Indian/Enfield isnt worth much..and the lil one is. Story of
my life

Gunner

I had one like this-

http://www.ducatimeccanica.com/bevel.../gavinG_RT.jpg

Is that what's being discussed? Picked it up at the junkyard, very nice
condition, traded it off..


"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:23:20 -0400, Kathy wrote:
This post was from GUNNER?! I thought he said he
used to wear colors. Those kinda guys would know
how to make some money out of them. Whatsa matter?

I thought he was asking some friends if we had use for 'em before he
sells them to strangers.

Won't they talk to you any more Gunny? Owe 'em
money? Maybe you could gift them and help yourself
out.

WTF?

I knew you were full of ****. Calling me names and
then not knowing what to do with Harley parts. Ye.
You knew a biker once.

ISTR that he has a BMW motorcycle. If you have a point, it's masked by
all the vitriol.

In article , Gunner says...

I've had to help several folks recently with pistons siezed up
tight in the bores, from sitting. Not pretty.

Sigh..I posted something to that effect a couple years ago, here.
P'Blaster was what freed mine up. Even on the centerstand, one of the
jugs got wet enough to stick.

The key here is there's almost always a valve open. If an
exhaust, there's enought 'breath' during weather change to
bring in moist air. An intake is worse, because you have
the animals that live inside the airbox and pee down the
air tube.

If you want to be real safe, just pull the valve covers off
after freeing it up, and oiling the cyinders - and slack off
all the pushrods so you *know* the valves are all shut.

Jim


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On 18 Jul 2005 14:56:20 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:23:20 -0400, Kathy wrote:
This post was from GUNNER?! I thought he said he
used to wear colors. Those kinda guys would know
how to make some money out of them. Whatsa matter?

I thought he was asking some friends if we had use for 'em before he
sells them to strangers.

Won't they talk to you any more Gunny? Owe 'em
money? Maybe you could gift them and help yourself
out.

WTF?

I knew you were full of ****. Calling me names and
then not knowing what to do with Harley parts. Ye.
You knew a biker once.

ISTR that he has a BMW motorcycle. If you have a point, it's masked by
all the vitriol.

Uncontrolled PMS is an ugly ugly thing.


Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

In article , Gunner says...

The Bing CV carbs respond very favorably to some TLC. Just buy
a gasket kit from Capitol Cycle and also a new set of diaphragms.

Interesting link:

http://www.airheads.org/old/index.php?Technical%20Tips+Rebuilding%20CV%20Carbs

Jim


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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:20:53 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On 18 Jul 2005 14:56:20 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

ISTR that he has a BMW motorcycle. If you have a point, it's masked by
all the vitriol.

Uncontrolled PMS is an ugly ugly thing.

You stopped by, and didn't call first? Dang...

I've had my "74 R90 since 1986. Used to love to tease my buddy (in MI )
with his "64 900 Sportster. He was repeatedly kicking it over to get it up
on the compression stroke, trying to start it. Once he did, I would crack my
knuckles, yawn, flip him the bird, and just touch my starter button. He
couldn't catch me no way after that.

I always thought I'd get a Harley when I wore the beamer out. I'm still
waiting....

However, like you Gunner, I've let her sit for a few years now. I'm starting
the same process. Battery, tires, and go through the carbs. That should do
it!

Good for you for having more brains than machismo. I takes more balls to run
alone, and think for yourself, than to become one of the followers. Kinda
like being a conservative on campus these days.

Maybe some day we can meet up have a beer and crack some " Cliff is so
stupid" jokes.

Randy in Scam Diego, Comi-fornia

In article Sp0De.13690$Eo.9931@fed1read04, Randy H. says...

Good for you for having more brains than machismo. I takes more balls to run
alone, and think for yourself, than to become one of the followers. Kinda
like being a conservative on campus these days.

Except that H/D drivers are the real conservatives!

Only liberals understand the benefits that the teutonic
machines represent. :^)

Jim


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On 19 Jul 2005 09:17:11 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article Sp0De.13690$Eo.9931@fed1read04, Randy H. says...

Good for you for having more brains than machismo. I takes more balls to run
alone, and think for yourself, than to become one of the followers. Kinda
like being a conservative on campus these days.

Except that H/D drivers are the real conservatives!
Only liberals understand the benefits that the teutonic
machines represent. :^)

Bah. I loved my R100/7 right until it was suddenly no fun to ride
anymore (drunk killed a friend of mine...)

In article , Dave Hinz says...

Except that H/D drivers are the real conservatives!
Only liberals understand the benefits that the teutonic
machines represent. :^)

Bah. I loved my R100/7 right until it was suddenly no fun to ride
anymore (drunk killed a friend of mine...)

Sorry about your buddy. But you will need to be on the
lookout then, because you obviously have strong liberal
leanings. When was the last time you saw one of the
kennedy crowd saying "loud pipes save lives?"

Jim


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On 19 Jul 2005 11:50:35 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...

Bah. I loved my R100/7 right until it was suddenly no fun to ride
anymore (drunk killed a friend of mine...)

Sorry about your buddy.

Yeah, it took the fun right out of riding, and I've had no urge to go
back to it.

But you will need to be on the
lookout then, because you obviously have strong liberal
leanings.

Dammit Jim, I thought we were friends. Technically, I'm a libertarian
from all available evidence, I just can't bring myself to vote for them
and allow an anti-gunner to get into office if I can help it.

When was the last time you saw one of the
kennedy crowd saying "loud pipes save lives?"

I'm not sure I buy that theory, actually - you don't hear the pipes
until the bike is in front of you, and when's the last time you passed
somene on a motorcycle, while driving a car?

But, I don't hang with anything resembling the kennedy crowd, so I
really don't know their stance on loud pipes.

On 19 Jul 2005 19:28:52 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

when's the last time you passed
somene on a motorcycle, while driving a car?

Are you joking? Every time I'm on Route 66 and catch up on a herd of
Harleys carrying bald-headed bandana-wearing old fat guys to whom the
65 mph limit is as attainable as a weekend with... oh crap, who would
they lust after? Farrah Fawcett maybe? :-) Apparently holding up and
then being smartly passed by a station wagon or a minivan isn't
humbling if you have ape-hangers and highway pegs.

BTW, I was passed by a pair of Harleys once, they were being towed on
a trailer. :-)

Wayne

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:45:34 GMT, wmbjk wrote:
On 19 Jul 2005 19:28:52 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

when's the last time you passed
somene on a motorcycle, while driving a car?

Are you joking? Every time I'm on Route 66 and catch up on a herd of
Harleys carrying bald-headed bandana-wearing old fat guys to whom the
65 mph limit is as attainable as a weekend with... oh crap, who would
they lust after? Farrah Fawcett maybe? :-)

Hm, OK. Around here I can't tell you the last time I passed someone on
a bike.

Apparently holding up and
then being smartly passed by a station wagon or a minivan isn't
humbling if you have ape-hangers and highway pegs.

Never did understand how riding with the blood draining from your hands
would be fun. Liked that Beemer with the full fairing...

BTW, I was passed by a pair of Harleys once, they were being towed on
a trailer. :-)

And I bet the pipes weren't all that loud at that time either, eh?

In article , Dave Hinz says...

When was the last time you saw one of the
kennedy crowd saying "loud pipes save lives?"

I'm not sure I buy that theory, actually - you don't hear the pipes
until the bike is in front of you,

See, there it is.

Conservatives = redneck, H/D driving, lout pipes save lives,
ABATE folks.

You recognize the fact that the pipes point *backwards* so
they don't make terribly good horns. Therefore you cannot
be a true conservative.

Oh, you may *think* you like driving in a pouring rainstorm
with one of those beanie helmets on, but in reality you're
gonna wind up a few years with a center fold-out of hillary
or somebody like that adorning your bedroom walls. Just
you wait.

You could stave off the inevitable by dressing up like Ollie
North and saluting yourself in the mirror every morning, but
trust me, it's what's deep inside that counts. Your IQ is
just too darn high.

Jim


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On 19 Jul 2005 19:28:52 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On 19 Jul 2005 11:50:35 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...

Bah. I loved my R100/7 right until it was suddenly no fun to ride
anymore (drunk killed a friend of mine...)

Sorry about your buddy.

Yeah, it took the fun right out of riding, and I've had no urge to go
back to it.

But you will need to be on the
lookout then, because you obviously have strong liberal
leanings.

Dammit Jim, I thought we were friends. Technically, I'm a libertarian
from all available evidence, I just can't bring myself to vote for them
and allow an anti-gunner to get into office if I can help it.

When was the last time you saw one of the
kennedy crowd saying "loud pipes save lives?"

I'm not sure I buy that theory, actually - you don't hear the pipes
until the bike is in front of you, and when's the last time you passed
somene on a motorcycle, while driving a car?

But, I don't hang with anything resembling the kennedy crowd, so I
really don't know their stance on loud pipes.

We do however, know their stance on what to do when driving on
bridges.....

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Dave Hinz wrote:
On 19 Jul 2005 11:50:35 -0700, jim rozen wrote:

In article , Dave Hinz says...

Bah. I loved my R100/7 right until it was suddenly no fun to ride
anymore (drunk killed a friend of mine...)

Sorry about your buddy.


Yeah, it took the fun right out of riding, and I've had no urge to go
back to it.


But you will need to be on the
lookout then, because you obviously have strong liberal
leanings.


Dammit Jim, I thought we were friends. Technically, I'm a libertarian
from all available evidence, I just can't bring myself to vote for them
and allow an anti-gunner to get into office if I can help it.


When was the last time you saw one of the
kennedy crowd saying "loud pipes save lives?"


I'm not sure I buy that theory, actually - you don't hear the pipes
until the bike is in front of you, and when's the last time you passed
somene on a motorcycle, while driving a car?

Heh.. Depends on the bike and the pipes.


But, I don't hang with anything resembling the kennedy crowd, so I
really don't know their stance on loud pipes.

On 19 Jul 2005 19:54:20 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...

When was the last time you saw one of the
kennedy crowd saying "loud pipes save lives?"

I'm not sure I buy that theory, actually - you don't hear the pipes
until the bike is in front of you,

See, there it is.

Conservatives = redneck, H/D driving, lout pipes save lives,
ABATE folks.

Well, having been an EMT for a dozen or so years, I have some strong
feelings about helmets. But, I also have strong feelings about organ
donation, so I have this conflict, y'see? Basically, I think I've
resolved it with myself by saying "Well, if the dumbass wants to end up
brain-dead, at least let's hope he signed his donor statement on his
driver's license so something good comes of it". That said, of the...
3 or 4 M/C fatalities I've responded to, none of them would have been
viable donors. I say 3 or 4, because after HIPAA passed, we're not
allowed to know if our patients live or not once we drop 'em off. Isn't
that nice?

You recognize the fact that the pipes point *backwards* so
they don't make terribly good horns. Therefore you cannot
be a true conservative.

Well, I'm not a conservative in classical definitions; I just vote for
them rather than democrats because democrats, as a rule, want to take my
guns away. If the libertarian party could ever get it's **** together,
I'd be interested, but I think by definition they never will. I overlap
with their beliefs maybe 90%, as compared to maybe 60% with the
republicans.

Oh, you may *think* you like driving in a pouring rainstorm
with one of those beanie helmets on, but in reality you're
gonna wind up a few years with a center fold-out of hillary
or somebody like that adorning your bedroom walls. Just
you wait.

I can't think of anything less appealing. Wait - Janet Reno.
Nevermind. I need to get this mental image out of my mind,
thankyouverymuch, you *******.

You could stave off the inevitable by dressing up like Ollie
North and saluting yourself in the mirror every morning, but
trust me, it's what's deep inside that counts. Your IQ is
just too darn high.

Never could handle that whole stiff-backed posture thing. Ever
watch "Meet the Fockers", by the way?

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:07:28 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On 19 Jul 2005 19:28:52 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

But, I don't hang with anything resembling the kennedy crowd, so I
really don't know their stance on loud pipes.

We do however, know their stance on what to do when driving on
bridges.....

It's not about bridges, specifically, gunner, it's about _water_ with
them. Think about it. Even snow, is water.

In article , Dave Hinz says...

Well, having been an EMT for a dozen or so years, I have some strong
feelings about helmets. But, I also have strong feelings about organ
donation, so I have this conflict, y'see?

Right, but you probably wear a full-face when you do (did) ride.
That automatically takes you into the liberal zone. True
conservatives ride without, or just one of those phony
DOT-stickered beanies because anthing else is a tacit
admission that helmet laws are tolerable.

Never could handle that whole stiff-backed posture thing. Ever
watch "Meet the Fockers", by the way?

Actually don't watch any cable or network TV at all.

Jim


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In article , Gunner says...

We do however, know their stance on what to do when driving on
bridges.....

How does a kennedy score with their date?

"OK, nevermind. I'll just have uncle ted drive you home..."

Jim


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On 20 Jul 2005 08:38:32 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...

Well, having been an EMT for a dozen or so years, I have some strong
feelings about helmets. But, I also have strong feelings about organ
donation, so I have this conflict, y'see?

Right, but you probably wear a full-face when you do (did) ride.

Hell yes.

That automatically takes you into the liberal zone.

Sorry, but I reject that theory.

True
conservatives ride without, or just one of those phony
DOT-stickered beanies because anthing else is a tacit
admission that helmet laws are tolerable.

I didn't wear a helmet because of a law (it's optional in Wisconsin
anyway, which may be why we have a very high organ donor rate here),
I wore it because I didn't want to crack the egg. And this was before I
was doing the EMT thing.

Never could handle that whole stiff-backed posture thing. Ever
watch "Meet the Fockers", by the way?

Actually don't watch any cable or network TV at all.

It's worth 3 bucks pay-per-view. Pretty funny if you ever get the
chance. I won't bother making a comparison to it, given that you
haven't seen it.

In article , Dave Hinz says...

True
conservatives ride without, or just one of those phony
DOT-stickered beanies because anthing else is a tacit
admission that helmet laws are tolerable.

I didn't wear a helmet because of a law (it's optional in Wisconsin
anyway, which may be why we have a very high organ donor rate here),
I wore it because I didn't want to crack the egg. And this was before I
was doing the EMT thing.

Ah, application of reason. Another nail in the coffin, Dave.

The ABATE folks don't wear helmets *because* of the law. It's
their way of protesting. Odd but there it is. Where there
are laws, they wear them but try to change it, citing all kinds
of bogus stats (remember my complaints about gunner and his
link-wars) that *prove* that helmets break your neck.

Jim


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On 20 Jul 2005 09:46:07 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...

True
conservatives ride without, or just one of those phony
DOT-stickered beanies because anthing else is a tacit
admission that helmet laws are tolerable.

I didn't wear a helmet because of a law (it's optional in Wisconsin
anyway, which may be why we have a very high organ donor rate here),
I wore it because I didn't want to crack the egg. And this was before I
was doing the EMT thing.

Ah, application of reason. Another nail in the coffin, Dave.

Jim, assuming that your political party is the only one that uses logic
is more than just a little bit arrogant.

In article , Dave Hinz says...

Jim, assuming that your political party is the only one that uses logic
is more than just a little bit arrogant.

Sorry, I was just taking a page from the other camp. You are
of course correct.

Jim


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On 20 Jul 2005 08:38:32 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...

Well, having been an EMT for a dozen or so years, I have some strong
feelings about helmets. But, I also have strong feelings about organ
donation, so I have this conflict, y'see?

Right, but you probably wear a full-face when you do (did) ride.

Hell yes.

That automatically takes you into the liberal zone.

Sorry, but I reject that theory.

True
conservatives ride without, or just one of those phony
DOT-stickered beanies because anthing else is a tacit
admission that helmet laws are tolerable.

I didn't wear a helmet because of a law (it's optional in Wisconsin
anyway, which may be why we have a very high organ donor rate here),
I wore it because I didn't want to crack the egg. And this was before I
was doing the EMT thing.

Funny how you get a feeling about that. I bought a new TR6 back in '63.
Beautiful thing, purple and silver paint job. I insisted on a helmet-----at
least that's what they called them then. Just a half thing, but enough to
maybe save me in a crash. I was totally inexperienced as a rider-----and
the crash came. Long story short, I ended up coming down on my left side,
head and shoulder first. Had it not been for the helmet, I'd have likely
been killed. Some folks might think that would have been a good thing,
but I'm damned glad I lived------thanks to the helmet, which almost no one
wore at that time.

Harold