On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:43:36 +1100, "Fred" wrote:


Fact is, microprocessors do fail.

Fact os even the dealer doesn’t replace a failed microprocessor
in the ECM. The whole thing is refurbished by a specialist in the
rare situation where one of the microprocessors has failed.

Not. Under warranty they are REPLACED with NEW parts.

Off warranty SOME are remanned - more are replaced with used. (and
THAT is a very comnplex procedure too - - -

Just replace the radio? A head unit for my car lists at $3000.

No one internally repair the radio anymore unless
it’s a simple cabling fault or something like that.

The more you go on how simple it is the more you show how little you know
of new cars.

How odd that I am in fact assisting that mate of mine
with reprogramming the ECM in those Mercs and with
getting the right radio unlock code as well.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 16:33:03 -0500, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:10:20 -0800 (PST), trader_4 posted for all of us to
digest...


On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 3:45:03 AM UTC-5, Fred wrote:
"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:17:00 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote:



Oh, as in someone with training?

Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area.

How did they learn?

By doing it, just like any decent mechanic does.

Came to them in a dream?

Nope.

You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road.

Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff.

Yep, they learned in a dream on night.

Nope, by doing it.

Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the
used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and
sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault.


Yes, one person.

Plenty more than one person that even I know.

It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception,
connected services, modems, and more.

Yep, and that's part of the reason its specialists that do most of
the
work.

Exactly, people with some training.

Still wrong, they don't have formal training. they just specialise in
it.

Where did they learn it?

By doing it.

Bull****. My mechanic mate hasn't had any.

OK, a sample of 1 Very scientific.

None of the others I know have either.

If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now
have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they
are
investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it.

But those operations don't go back to school to learn how to do it.

They use the documentation that comes with it.

WTF do you think that is? A form of training.

Bull**** it is, just like it isnt with any appliance
or the car you buy.

And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years
of formal training before you can work as a mechanic.

I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted
training
for their certified mechanics.

And the best mechanics don't need that.

Try running a dealership without it

I know one that has done just that.

I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car.

In fact I do all the work on my car myself.

Another sample of 1

Plenty of others do that too.

And we wonder why "STEALERSHIPS" have such a bad reputation -
particularly in the unregulated redneck states and why everyone
in the USA seams to be continually bitching about "mechanics" -
because they very seldom actually are dealing with a properly
trained, educated, cerified and regulated "professional" mechanic.
Its no news that plenty of mechanics don't have
a ****ing clue with more difficult faults, even the
ones with 4 years of professional education.

Even you must have noticed in your time in Africa that
there are plenty of very decent mechanics that do fine
without any formal education in mechanics at all.

But our vehicles aren't your 1965 pickup that you use to feed the kangaroos, stupid.

Who is this Fred? I must have him blocked as I'm not seeing any of his posts...
I'm blocking the fool too

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:07:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/27/2021 12:02 PM, Fred wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 2/27/2021 11:15 AM, Fred wrote:


"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message


but once anything gets into the electrical system it will
take a lot of training and skill to solve the problem.

That's bull**** on the training. It isnt hard to check the plugs
to see if one of them looks bad and to try moving them around
if they look fine. And to try new plugs, that doesn't cost much.

Same if one of the electric windows stops working or the battery
goes flat much more quickly than it had done when it was new.

What about the ECM?Â* Does you guy have what is needed to check it out
and change parameters?

Not only that, to reprogram it for better performance too.
Trivially buyable on the net.

What about the many microprocessors?Â* How do you track them down?

You dont normally need to, they dont usually
fail and if say you diagnose that whats in the
'radio' or the screen has failed, you just replace it.

ECM problems are not "fixed" with a tune chip. Fact is, microprocessors
do fail. Just replace the radio? A head unit for my car lists at $3000.
The more you go on how simple it is the more you show how little you
know of new cars.

I bet nobody fixes them. If it is on warranty they eat it, if it is
off warranty it is yours. As far as I know, they are a FRU.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:19:29 -0500, Heywood wrote:

On 2/27/2021 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 06:51:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote:
OT Why $7.50 is enough

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html


"Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from congressional
Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15,
pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at a
restaurant as a €œkid€�."


Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South Dakota in
1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation rates €“ would
amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars.

But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6 or
less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50.

If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills.

Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they try,
will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at the
grocery store, for example.

Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are getting
food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage.

Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the streets.

Cindy Hamilton

Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a bottom.

I know that.

My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that
bottom and accepting that every barrel has one.

Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the barrel
paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the
public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for
Welfare.

Cindy Hamilton

As Clare pointed out, a high minimum wage just makes a shorter barrel.
The top wage will be slow to move as the bottom wage starts catching
up to it. Unless the market can tolerate higher prices the total cost
of labor has to be pretty static. If prices rise, it eats into that
gain you got from the wage hike.


But you have to maintain some balance. If you look at CEO wage gains
they are far ahead of any other segment in the workplace. Sure, they
deserve a good wage but should the underlings have to rely on government
subsidies to feed themselves?

I don't think the law should put a maximum wage, but it is like ethics
is gone in some places when top end is getting 7 figures and bottom end
is getting Federal minimum.

You won't get an argument from me about abusive CEO pay but the board
decides that and it is usually based on stock performance. That
trickles down to the stock holders so they don't gripe. When the stock
tanks like IBM did Ginny gets to spend more time with her family.
Unfortunately a couple years too late and with too good a separation
package. That still has little to do with what they pay the low end
employee. For any corporation with a millionaire CEO, they will
usually be paying more than minimum wage tho.
I suspect most minimum wagers are working for a small business that is
barely afloat themselves, particularly now.

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:27:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 06:51:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote:
OT Why $7.50 is enough

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html


"Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from
congressional
Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to
$15,
pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at a
restaurant as a €œkid€�."


Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South
Dakota in
1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation rates €“
would
amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars.

But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6 or
less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50.

If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills.

Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they try,
will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at the
grocery store, for example.

Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are getting
food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage.

Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the streets.

Cindy Hamilton

Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a bottom.

I know that.

My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that
bottom and accepting that every barrel has one.

Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the barrel
paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the
public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for
Welfare.

As Clare pointed out, a high minimum wage just makes a shorter barrel.

Yes.

The top wage will be slow to move as the
bottom wage starts catching up to it.

Yes.

Unless the market can tolerate higher prices the
total cost of labor has to be pretty static.

Thats bull**** when the bulk of the
employees are getting a higher wage.

If prices rise, it eats into that gain
you got from the wage hike.

Duh. And yet Canada works fine with the higher minimum wage.

Clare pointed out the shift manager makes 73 cents more an hour than
the guy who just started this morning. That is not working "fine".

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 17:24:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/27/2021 4:46 PM, Fred wrote:


Just replace the radio?Â* A head unit for my car lists at $3000.

Vastly cheaper for one out of a car that isnt economic
to repair after a crash or when someone decided that
they prefer something different to the original in their car.



Of course used is cheaper. something different? Not so easy. The 2017
model has improvements over the 2016 and people have not been able to
get all the electronics involved to work. The 2018 is different too,
now has ACP and AA integrated. Not wireless though.

Some of these cars have software problems they can't seem to fix. My
FILs old Cadillac (2017 or so) had a bug in the power management they
couldn't fix. If you parked it more than a week the battery was dead
about half the time. After 4 or 5 swings at it They gave him a trickle
charger and sent him home. He escalated up through GM, since he was a
GM retiree and knew folks big in the union. They ended up giving him a
trade deal on a 2019 he couldn't refuse. Basically it was a swap and
he just paid the taxes. The new one is OK.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 17:03:10 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:12 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



I'lL call you on your BS

We'll see...

The OBDII tells you what reading is
out of spec. That is ALL it tells you.

Bull**** with plenty of cars.

No - ODB2 is a standard - all cars tell you exactly the same thing
from the standardized error codes.

But they don't all report the same error codes.

You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only
a trained mechanic but I TRAINED mechanics

Pity you are lying about that, presumably deliberately.

AND the OBD2 isnt the only source of error codes
with cars, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

It takes an educated professional to know what can cause that
reading to be wrong and how to test and PROVE what the problem is

More bull****. Plenty of the best mechanics can do that,
they don't need to be educated to do that and never have.



instead of throwing half a dozeh expensive components at the car, then
cross their fingers and hope they didn't STILL miss the real problem.

The best mechanics don't operate like that.
The best mechanics have had training

That's why the "pinpoint tests" in the factory manual for a given
error code can cover 7 pages in the factory manual - and why the
print version of a typical factory manual con be over 6 inches thick.

And the best mechanics are free to use that.

(and cost several hundred dollars

Not anymore now that they are often trivially downloadable.

- and why they are virtually all now in electronic
format indexed 7 ways to sunday) Many won't fit on
a CD any more - and some require double layer DVDs.

And the best mechanics don't need them for most faults.

Servicing variable valve timing and gasoline direct injection,
not to mention computer controlled transmissions and
turbocharged engines and anti-lock brakes, and active
colission avoidance, and traction control - and canbus
controlled door locking systems - and even tail-lights
with computers in them -

Good luck sucker of you don't have
a well trained mechanic working on it.

Mate of mine that fixes Mercs has no formal training
and always works out what the problem is. That's
why so many get him to do the curly stuff.

Just the electrical wiring will blow the mind of most "mr fixits"
- whenthe doors lockand unlock by themselves driving down
the road - or the alarm goes off in the middle of the night -
or the windows go up or down by themselves (or don't when
you want them to) or the car won't start or the doors won't
unlock (or lock) from the FOB - or the airbag light comes on
- and particularly when the problems are intermittent - - -.

Those faults arent common at all.

They aren't? Drive a Chevy.

Only a subset of cars, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

There are no "adjustments" any more - sure. They require
less scheduled maintenance - for sure - but those are the
SIMPLE jobs that the uneducated guy with grease under
his fingers and a $50 tool kit could do.

So those individuals are fine in the service stations
that still do more than just pump gas. No need for
the state to require 4 years of formal education
before they are allowed to do that stuff.

Also, Today's cars , on the whole - have a LOT more miles on them.

That's very arguable with the cars most of us drive.

A car with 10000 miles on it is just nicely broken
in and you are not going to scrap it just because
there is one small problem that you can't fix

But plenty still get a new car every couple of years.

The AVERAGE age of the American fleet is over 12 years.

Irrelevant to what plenty do with their cars.

Back in the sixties a 10 year old car was he exception

BULL****.

and many were junk at 6. Today most cars will
go 200,000 miles, and quite a few go 300,000

BULL**** with accidents.

(but you would be surprised how many cars end up scrapped for
what would have amounted to a "simple" problem 15 years ago )
because you don't have a properly trained mechanic to fix it.

Yep, that's why that mate of mine buys those turbo Mercs off
ebay, fixes the problem, and flogs them for twice what he paid
for the original and the parts. With no formal training at all.

ANd just for the safety and liability reasons untrained
people should NOT be screwing around with safety
related stuff - even "simple" stuff like brakes

Bull****. Any decent mechanic can replace brake pads etc.

We've all seen the posts from guys (possibly even guys like you)
asking what to do next to fix whatever small problem on their car
after replacing half a dozen or more parts - at a cost of several
hundred dollars - that an educated mechanic could have told
you in 10 seconds, without seeing the car, were NOT going to
be the problem just from how you describe the problem - - - - .

Just as true of any decent uneducated mechanic and
anyone that can do some research using google too.

Its no news that most don't have decent diagnostic skills
but that's an entirely separate matter to whether 4 years
of formal education is needed by the best mechanics.

Many times it's "my mechanic has replaced all
these parts and it still has the problem" or "I've
haf 4 mechanics look at it and they don't have a clue"

Its no news that many mechanics don't have
a clue with all but the most basic routine stuff.

Right - they are noit properlyt trained -
and they LITERALLY don't have a clue.

Plenty were properly trained and still don't have
any real diagnostic skills, because most don't.

I'm outa here.

Great there is only so much **** and lies
anyone should have to put up with.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 19:44:47 +1100, "Fred" wrote:


And we wonder why "STEALERSHIPS" have such a bad reputation -
particularly in the unregulated redneck states and why everyone
in the USA seams to be continually bitching about "mechanics" -
because they very seldom actually are dealing with a properly
trained, educated, cerified and regulated "professional" mechanic.

Its no news that plenty of mechanics don't have
a ****ing clue with more difficult faults, even the
ones with 4 years of professional education.

Even you must have noticed in your time in Africa that
there are plenty of very decent mechanics that do fine
without any formal education in mechanics at all.


NOT. That's why I was there teaching them

You were teaching those who needed to be taught, ****wit.

Even your "ASE Certified" designation
is a bit of a sorry JOKE, by and large.

So its silly to require that before you can work on cars.

ASE Certified isn't an apprenticeship or even a real training
standard

Irrelevant to that **** of yours.

And you lied about being done too.

ANd as for guys with no training working on their
own cars - BOY, could I tell you some stories!!!!!

Its no news that most don't have any real capacity to
even work out why their lawn mower isnt working!!!!!

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 16:33:03 -0500, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:10:20 -0800 (PST), trader_4 posted for all of us to
digest...


On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 3:45:03 AM UTC-5, Fred wrote:
"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:17:00 +1100, "Fred"
wrote:



"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote:



Oh, as in someone with training?

Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area.

How did they learn?

By doing it, just like any decent mechanic does.

Came to them in a dream?

Nope.

You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the
road.

Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff.

Yep, they learned in a dream on night.

Nope, by doing it.

Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the
used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and
sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault.


Yes, one person.

Plenty more than one person that even I know.

It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat
reception,
connected services, modems, and more.

Yep, and that's part of the reason its specialists that do most
of
the
work.

Exactly, people with some training.

Still wrong, they don't have formal training. they just
specialise in
it.

Where did they learn it?

By doing it.

Bull****. My mechanic mate hasn't had any.

OK, a sample of 1 Very scientific.

None of the others I know have either.

If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some
now
have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace
they
are
investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for
it.

But those operations don't go back to school to learn how to do
it.

They use the documentation that comes with it.

WTF do you think that is? A form of training.

Bull**** it is, just like it isnt with any appliance
or the car you buy.

And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years
of formal training before you can work as a mechanic.

I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted
training
for their certified mechanics.

And the best mechanics don't need that.

Try running a dealership without it

I know one that has done just that.

I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car.

In fact I do all the work on my car myself.

Another sample of 1

Plenty of others do that too.

And we wonder why "STEALERSHIPS" have such a bad reputation -
particularly in the unregulated redneck states and why everyone
in the USA seams to be continually bitching about "mechanics" -
because they very seldom actually are dealing with a properly
trained, educated, cerified and regulated "professional" mechanic.
Its no news that plenty of mechanics don't have
a ****ing clue with more difficult faults, even the
ones with 4 years of professional education.

Even you must have noticed in your time in Africa that
there are plenty of very decent mechanics that do fine
without any formal education in mechanics at all.

But our vehicles aren't your 1965 pickup that you use to feed the
kangaroos, stupid.

Who is this Fred? I must have him blocked as I'm not seeing any of his
posts...

I'm blocking the fool too

Great, there is only so much of your **** and lies anyone should have to put
up with.

wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:27:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 06:51:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett
wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote:
OT Why $7.50 is enough

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html


"Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from
congressional
Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to
$15,
pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at
a
restaurant as a €œkid€�."


Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South
Dakota in
1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation
rates €“
would
amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars.

But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6
or
less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50.

If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills.

Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they
try,
will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at the
grocery store, for example.

Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are getting
food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage.

Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the streets.

Cindy Hamilton

Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a bottom.

I know that.

My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that
bottom and accepting that every barrel has one.

Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the barrel
paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the
public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for
Welfare.

As Clare pointed out, a high minimum wage just makes a shorter barrel.

Yes.

The top wage will be slow to move as the
bottom wage starts catching up to it.

Yes.

Unless the market can tolerate higher prices the
total cost of labor has to be pretty static.

Thats bull**** when the bulk of the
employees are getting a higher wage.

If prices rise, it eats into that gain
you got from the wage hike.

Duh. And yet Canada works fine with the higher minimum wage.

Clare pointed out the shift manager makes 73 cents more an hour
than the guy who just started this morning. That is not working "fine".

Corse it is for the fast food operation and consumers.

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:32:36 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:27:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 06:51:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett
wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote:
OT Why $7.50 is enough

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html


"Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from
congressional
Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to
$15,
pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at
a
restaurant as a €œkid€�."


Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South
Dakota in
1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation
rates €“
would
amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars.

But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6
or
less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50.

If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills.

Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they
try,
will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at the
grocery store, for example.

Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are getting
food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage.

Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the streets.

Cindy Hamilton

Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a bottom.

I know that.

My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that
bottom and accepting that every barrel has one.

Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the barrel
paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the
public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for
Welfare.

As Clare pointed out, a high minimum wage just makes a shorter barrel.

Yes.

The top wage will be slow to move as the
bottom wage starts catching up to it.

Yes.

Unless the market can tolerate higher prices the
total cost of labor has to be pretty static.

Thats bull**** when the bulk of the
employees are getting a higher wage.

If prices rise, it eats into that gain
you got from the wage hike.

Duh. And yet Canada works fine with the higher minimum wage.

Clare pointed out the shift manager makes 73 cents more an hour
than the guy who just started this morning. That is not working "fine".

Corse it is for the fast food operation and consumers.

Just not for the employees they were supposed to be helping. You might
as well just stay an expediter and not bother to move up for a lousy
73 cent raise and have to deal with running the shift. Just take the
burgers and fries from the warmer, bag them and hand them to the
customer. You can be stoned at work and handle that. You might be
better.

In article ,
says...
it.
I can diagnose that one from here. It had a double ballast resistor
on the firewall and one of the resistors was intermittent. It provided
power to the coil when you cranked the engine. If it fired when you
released the key it started. If it didn't, it didn't. It ran on the
other half of the resistor. COMMON problem back then (that, as you
know, flummoxed a LOT of "mechanics" who did not understand the
system.Back then it was a $5 part. I always had 2 mounted on the
firewall so an on-the-road fix took about 20 seconds.
A couple years later the system was re-designed to not need that
resistor



Sounds reasonable to me. I don't know that much about the electrical
system, but think that back in the 12 volt system years before the
modern computer stuff that some ballast resistors were shorted out for
cranking. Could be an intermittent connection somewhere in the starting
system. Anyway whatever the problem was two dealerships failed to find
the problem in a good number of trips back. The dealer in the town I
bought it from and the dealer in the town I lived in.

In article ,
says...

I had that car looked at by the Dodge dealer mechanics in two different
towns. So that must mean neither dealer had a decent mecchanic.
I'd bet money on it. What state are you in?



At the time the car was bought in Mocksville and the other dealer was in
Salisbury near the middle of North Carolina. Both small towns of
maybe 30,000 at the time and around 20 miles apart.

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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 06:51:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett
wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett
wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote:
OT Why $7.50 is enough

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html


"Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from
congressional
Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour
to
$15,
pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working
at
a
restaurant as a €œkid€�."


Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South
Dakota in
1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation
rates €“
would
amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars.

But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on
$6
or
less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50.

If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills.

Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they
try,
will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at
the
grocery store, for example.

Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are
getting
food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage.

Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the
streets.

Cindy Hamilton

Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a
bottom.

I know that.

My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that
bottom and accepting that every barrel has one.

Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the barrel
paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the
public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for
Welfare.

As Clare pointed out, a high minimum wage just makes a shorter barrel.

Yes.

The top wage will be slow to move as the
bottom wage starts catching up to it.

Yes.

Unless the market can tolerate higher prices the
total cost of labor has to be pretty static.

Thats bull**** when the bulk of the
employees are getting a higher wage.

If prices rise, it eats into that gain
you got from the wage hike.

Duh. And yet Canada works fine with the higher minimum wage.

Clare pointed out the shift manager makes 73 cents more an hour
than the guy who just started this morning. That is not working "fine".

Corse it is for the fast food operation and consumers.

Just not for the employees they were supposed to be helping.

It clearly does help the vast bulk of the employees
as long as the fast food operation continues to be
viable and theirs clearly is just that.

You might as well just stay an expediter and not
bother to move up for a lousy 73 cent raise and
have to deal with running the shift.

That depends on whether you prefer to continue with
the routine drudge work or prefer to run the shift.

Just take the burgers and fries from the warmer,
bag them and hand them to the customer.

Much more boring than running the shift.

You can be stoned at work and handle that.

Not if they drug test and plenty do now.

You might be better.

Only in the sense that system is designed
so that even the worst droid cant **** up.

Not much of a life tho being a human droid.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:15:56 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:13:14 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:35:41 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

As to cars I am sure most anyone could do the simple jobs like brakes
and plug and light bulb changes, but once anything gets into the
electrical system it will take a lot of training and skill to solve the
problem. I bought a 1972 Dodge Demon. It had some kind of electrical
system for the engine that was relative new. That car about once every
week would not start. The engine would turn over, but would not fire
off at all. Could do it to the battery would almost run down and
finally it would start except about once a month it had to be towed in
as it would not start. As it was a manual transmisssion funny thing was
that after the battery would almost run down, it could be started by
puahing it off very easy.
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.
He means stop making payments and send it back

That's what I thought, but people don't do that where I come from. I didn't
think it was a real thing.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:58:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.




To me it means drive it to the dealer , remove my license tag and tell
them to take that piece of junk and do with it what they want, I will
not be comming back after it. That is if I had financed it on time from
them and had not made much of a down payment.

I doubt if anyone does that. Once you buy a car, it's yours. Parking it
somewhere else doesn't change that, so you end up owning a car that you
don't actually have in your possession. I don't think anyone does that.

"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:58:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I
had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.




To me it means drive it to the dealer , remove my license tag and tell
them to take that piece of junk and do with it what they want, I will
not be comming back after it. That is if I had financed it on time from
them and had not made much of a down payment.

I doubt if anyone does that. Once you buy a car, it's yours.
Parking it somewhere else doesn't change that, so you end
up owning a car that you don't actually have in your possession.

Not if you stop making the payments, they take it back.

I don't think anyone does that.

Plenty do stop making the payments, usually because they are broke.

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On 2/28/21 1:33 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:58:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
lid says...
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I had
it.
What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.



To me it means drive it to the dealer , remove my license tag and tell
them to take that piece of junk and do with it what they want, I will
not be comming back after it. That is if I had financed it on time from
them and had not made much of a down payment.
I doubt if anyone does that. Once you buy a car, it's yours. Parking it
somewhere else doesn't change that, so you end up owning a car that you
don't actually have in your possession. I don't think anyone does that.


If it's insured, park it in Detroit with the keys in it, wait a couple hours and then report it stolen.

The same democrats who stole the election will steal your car.

On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;Â* those who can't, teach.

On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy.Â* I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;Â* those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.

On 2/28/21 7:02 AM, Bod wrote:
On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy.Â* I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;Â* those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.


Braggarts are often "all blow and no go."

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 15:37:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:32:36 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:27:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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om...
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 06:51:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett
wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett
wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote:
OT Why $7.50 is enough

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html


"Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from
congressional
Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour
to
$15,
pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working
at
a
restaurant as a €œkid€�."


Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South
Dakota in
1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation
rates €“
would
amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars.

But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on
$6
or
less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50.

If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills.

Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they
try,
will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at
the
grocery store, for example.

Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are
getting
food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage.

Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the
streets.

Cindy Hamilton

Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a
bottom.

I know that.

My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that
bottom and accepting that every barrel has one.

Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the barrel
paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the
public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for
Welfare.

As Clare pointed out, a high minimum wage just makes a shorter barrel.

Yes.

The top wage will be slow to move as the
bottom wage starts catching up to it.

Yes.

Unless the market can tolerate higher prices the
total cost of labor has to be pretty static.

Thats bull**** when the bulk of the
employees are getting a higher wage.

If prices rise, it eats into that gain
you got from the wage hike.

Duh. And yet Canada works fine with the higher minimum wage.

Clare pointed out the shift manager makes 73 cents more an hour
than the guy who just started this morning. That is not working "fine".

Corse it is for the fast food operation and consumers.

Just not for the employees they were supposed to be helping.

It clearly does help the vast bulk of the employees
as long as the fast food operation continues to be
viable and theirs clearly is just that.

You might as well just stay an expediter and not
bother to move up for a lousy 73 cent raise and
have to deal with running the shift.

That depends on whether you prefer to continue with
the routine drudge work or prefer to run the shift.

Just take the burgers and fries from the warmer,
bag them and hand them to the customer.

Much more boring than running the shift.

Running the shift at a fast food joint is still boring, you just get
yelled at more for stupid stuff the morons you are managing do.


You can be stoned at work and handle that.

Not if they drug test and plenty do now.

You might be better.

Only in the sense that system is designed
so that even the worst droid cant **** up.

Not much of a life tho being a human droid.

That is what minimum wage jobs are. The only reason they exist is
because a machine ends up costing more.
Fast food has been ripe for automation for 30 years. They were just
waiting for a financial incentive. A $15 wage would do it. You could
easily see the staff cut in half just by adding a couple of machines.
They have already lost 2 cashiers in most of the McDonalds by using
self order kiosks and phone paid drive through orders. Once they start
adding more automation to the food prep, staff will fall fast.

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 17:43:57 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:58:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I
had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.




To me it means drive it to the dealer , remove my license tag and tell
them to take that piece of junk and do with it what they want, I will
not be comming back after it. That is if I had financed it on time from
them and had not made much of a down payment.

I doubt if anyone does that. Once you buy a car, it's yours.
Parking it somewhere else doesn't change that, so you end
up owning a car that you don't actually have in your possession.

Not if you stop making the payments, they take it back.

I don't think anyone does that.

Plenty do stop making the payments, usually because they are broke.

That is OK as long as you don't plan on borrowing money for anything
else soon.

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:02:00 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy.Â* I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;Â* those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.

Not really. Our education system is dominated by people who went to
school at 5 and never left. They never had a job that wasn't teaching
things they have never done. That assumes they actually teach you
something that translates to a job.
I know the two colleges that I worked at had computer science programs
that were teaching stuff that was 10 years old in a business that was
changing yearly.

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 8:56:45 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:02:00 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.
Not really. Our education system is dominated by people who went to
school at 5 and never left. They never had a job that wasn't teaching
things they have never done. That assumes they actually teach you
something that translates to a job.
I know the two colleges that I worked at had computer science programs
that were teaching stuff that was 10 years old in a business that was
changing yearly.

Even computer science programs are designed to churn out future professors,
not future coders.

Cindy Hamilton

"jimmy" wrote in message
...
On 2/28/21 1:33 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:58:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
lid says...
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles
traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I
had
it.
What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.



To me it means drive it to the dealer , remove my license tag and tell
them to take that piece of junk and do with it what they want, I will
not be comming back after it. That is if I had financed it on time from
them and had not made much of a down payment.

I doubt if anyone does that. Once you buy a car, it's yours. Parking it
somewhere else doesn't change that, so you end up owning a car that you
don't actually have in your possession. I don't think anyone does that.

If it's insured, park it in Detroit with the keys in it, wait a couple
hours and then report it stolen.

Trouble is with that fault it likely would be dumped
and the cops would tell you where to find it.

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On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 15:37:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:32:36 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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m...
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:27:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 06:51:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett
wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett
wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote:
OT Why $7.50 is enough

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html


"Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from
congressional
Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an
hour
to
$15,
pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned
working
at
a
restaurant as a €œkid€�."


Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South
Dakota in
1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation
rates €“
would
amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars.

But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on
$6
or
less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50.

If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills.

Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they
try,
will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at
the
grocery store, for example.

Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are
getting
food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage.

Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the
streets.

Cindy Hamilton

Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a
bottom.

I know that.

My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that
bottom and accepting that every barrel has one.

Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the
barrel
paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the
public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for
Welfare.

As Clare pointed out, a high minimum wage just makes a shorter
barrel.

Yes.

The top wage will be slow to move as the
bottom wage starts catching up to it.

Yes.

Unless the market can tolerate higher prices the
total cost of labor has to be pretty static.

Thats bull**** when the bulk of the
employees are getting a higher wage.

If prices rise, it eats into that gain
you got from the wage hike.

Duh. And yet Canada works fine with the higher minimum wage.

Clare pointed out the shift manager makes 73 cents more an hour
than the guy who just started this morning. That is not working
"fine".

Corse it is for the fast food operation and consumers.

Just not for the employees they were supposed to be helping.

It clearly does help the vast bulk of the employees
as long as the fast food operation continues to be
viable and theirs clearly is just that.

You might as well just stay an expediter and not
bother to move up for a lousy 73 cent raise and
have to deal with running the shift.

That depends on whether you prefer to continue with
the routine drudge work or prefer to run the shift.

Just take the burgers and fries from the warmer,
bag them and hand them to the customer.

Much more boring than running the shift.

Running the shift at a fast food joint is still boring,

Yes, but not as boring as mopping the floor or doing nothing
but shoving the bag with food in it over the counter.

you just get yelled at more for stupid
stuff the morons you are managing do.

But you get to sack those when they do that.

You can be stoned at work and handle that.

Not if they drug test and plenty do now.

You might be better.

Only in the sense that system is designed
so that even the worst droid cant **** up.

Not much of a life tho being a human droid.

That is what minimum wage jobs are.

So telling the droids what to do isnt as bad.

The only reason they exist is because a machine
ends up costing more. Fast food has been ripe
for automation for 30 years.

They discovered that the customers dont like automats
as much as having a human droid hand them their food.

They were just waiting for a financial
incentive. A $15 wage would do it.

Doesnt explain why that hasnt happened in Canada and
Australia which both have much higher minimum wages
than the USA and have done for a long time now.

Tho certainly here at least almost all of the human
droids are kids with less than adult wage levels.

You could easily see the staff cut in half
just by adding a couple of machines.

See above. We dont even see all the supermarkets with self
checkouts, even the very aggressive cost saving ones like Aldi.
So the reality is more complicated than you suggest.

They have already lost 2 cashiers in most of the McDonalds by
using self order kiosks and phone paid drive through orders.

But havent automated the food delivery in Australia and Canada.

Once they start adding more automation
to the food prep, staff will fall fast.

That hasnt happened in Australia or Canada.

Nice theory, pity about what actually happens.

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On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 17:43:57 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:58:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles
traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I
had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.




To me it means drive it to the dealer , remove my license tag and tell
them to take that piece of junk and do with it what they want, I will
not be comming back after it. That is if I had financed it on time from
them and had not made much of a down payment.

I doubt if anyone does that. Once you buy a car, it's yours.
Parking it somewhere else doesn't change that, so you end
up owning a car that you don't actually have in your possession.

Not if you stop making the payments, they take it back.

I don't think anyone does that.

Plenty do stop making the payments, usually because they are broke.

That is OK as long as you don't plan on
borrowing money for anything else soon.

That's very arguable with the car floggers so desperate to move cars.

On 2/27/2021 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 17:24:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/27/2021 4:46 PM, Fred wrote:


Just replace the radio?Â* A head unit for my car lists at $3000.

Vastly cheaper for one out of a car that isnt economic
to repair after a crash or when someone decided that
they prefer something different to the original in their car.



Of course used is cheaper. something different? Not so easy. The 2017
model has improvements over the 2016 and people have not been able to
get all the electronics involved to work. The 2018 is different too,
now has ACP and AA integrated. Not wireless though.

Some of these cars have software problems they can't seem to fix. My
FILs old Cadillac (2017 or so) had a bug in the power management they
couldn't fix. If you parked it more than a week the battery was dead
about half the time. After 4 or 5 swings at it They gave him a trickle
charger and sent him home. He escalated up through GM, since he was a
GM retiree and knew folks big in the union. They ended up giving him a
trade deal on a 2019 he couldn't refuse. Basically it was a swap and
he just paid the taxes. The new one is OK.


The dealer was stupid. They should have taken it to Fred and his buddy
and it would have been fixed. They know how to do anything to any car
and make it perfect.

On 2/28/2021 1:43 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:58:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
lid says...
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles
traded
it in for another car.Â* I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car.Â* Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month
I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.




To me it means drive it to the dealer , remove my license tag and tell
them to take that piece of junk and do with it what they want, I will
not be comming back after it.Â* That is if I had financed it on time from
them and had not made much of a down payment.

I doubt if anyone does that. Once you buy a car, it's yours.
Parking it somewhere else doesn't change that, so you end
up owning a car that you don't actually have in your possession.

Not if you stop making the payments, they take it back.

I don't think anyone does that.

Plenty do stop making the payments, usually because they are broke.

Note the OP said "if they financed it". Some used car dealers offer buy
here/pay here financing and maintain the title until paid off. You
could get away with just dropping it off there. Not so much with a bank.

"Heywood" wrote in message
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On 2/28/2021 1:43 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:58:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
lid says...
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles
traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month
I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.




To me it means drive it to the dealer , remove my license tag and tell
them to take that piece of junk and do with it what they want, I will
not be comming back after it. That is if I had financed it on time
from
them and had not made much of a down payment.

I doubt if anyone does that. Once you buy a car, it's yours.
Parking it somewhere else doesn't change that, so you end
up owning a car that you don't actually have in your possession.

Not if you stop making the payments, they take it back.

I don't think anyone does that.

Plenty do stop making the payments, usually because they are broke.

Note the OP said "if they financed it". Some used car dealers offer buy
here/pay here financing and maintain the title until paid off. You could
get away with just dropping it off there.

Not so much with a bank.

Those take it back if you stop making the payments.

In article , says...

Note the OP said "if they financed it". Some used car dealers offer buy
here/pay here financing and maintain the title until paid off. You
could get away with just dropping it off there. Not so much with a bank.



The dealer and banks keep the title in NC where I am at before the car
is paid off. That way if you quit making payments on the car, they just
come and get it if they can find it. I don't know, but if you did not
turn it over it would not surprise me they could go to the law and
report it as stolen.

Those buy here/pay here used dealers like you to do that because not
only do they get the money for the car, they collect the interist on it.

Most of the used dealers do not have that much in the cars anyway. Not
like the many thousands of dollars of a new car dealer.

Many of the used dealers go to new car dealers and buy the trade ins or
get them at auctions. They gurentee is that the car will make it off the
lot even if they have to push it off. New car dealers do not keep used
cars more than a couple of years old on the lot unless it is a special
case.

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:17:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 8:56:45 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:02:00 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.
Not really. Our education system is dominated by people who went to
school at 5 and never left. They never had a job that wasn't teaching
things they have never done. That assumes they actually teach you
something that translates to a job.
I know the two colleges that I worked at had computer science programs
that were teaching stuff that was 10 years old in a business that was
changing yearly.

Even computer science programs are designed to churn out future professors,
not future coders.

Cindy Hamilton

My SIL's father is a retired college professor and he says that about
most university programs. He said they are not training anyone for a
job unless you are in a professional course of study (Law, engineering
or medicine)

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 23:28:56 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I had that car looked at by the Dodge dealer mechanics in two different
towns. So that must mean neither dealer had a decent mecchanic.
I'd bet money on it. What state are you in?



At the time the car was bought in Mocksville and the other dealer was in
Salisbury near the middle of North Carolina. Both small towns of
maybe 30,000 at the time and around 20 miles apart.
In a state where certification or training was not mandatory OR
common. Any Bubba who knew which end of a screwdriver was the handle
could call himself a mechanic. Not saying there were not some pretty
goof "self trained" mechanics - The Bootleggers who became Nascar
builders prove that - But they did a lot off "research" and "studying"
to figure out what they figured out. (and all the CURRENT Nascar teams
are HIGHLY TRAINED!!!)

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 00:10:38 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:15:56 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:13:14 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:35:41 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

As to cars I am sure most anyone could do the simple jobs like brakes
and plug and light bulb changes, but once anything gets into the
electrical system it will take a lot of training and skill to solve the
problem. I bought a 1972 Dodge Demon. It had some kind of electrical
system for the engine that was relative new. That car about once every
week would not start. The engine would turn over, but would not fire
off at all. Could do it to the battery would almost run down and
finally it would start except about once a month it had to be towed in
as it would not start. As it was a manual transmisssion funny thing was
that after the battery would almost run down, it could be started by
puahing it off very easy.
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.
He means stop making payments and send it back

That's what I thought, but people don't do that where I come from. I didn't
think it was a real thing.
It is for guys with a 250 credit score - or a sub-50 IQ - can't go
much lower by defaulting on the loan

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 06:55:18 -0500, Arnie Millnickel
wrote:

On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;* those who can't, teach.
And I DID for decades after I finished teaching - so that kinda
blows that theory.