On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:39:06 -0500, Freddy
wrote:

On 2/28/21 7:02 AM, Bod wrote:
On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy.* I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;* those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.


Braggarts are often "all blow and no go."
I'll still take on any one of you guys on this group in a
diagnostics competition. I'm a bit slower on the wrench than I was 40
years ago - but I can still hold my own.

On 2/28/2021 9:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 06:55:18 -0500, Arnie Millnickel
wrote:

On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;Â* those who can't, teach.
And I DID for decades after I finished teaching - so that kinda
blows that theory.


Don't let these clowns get to you. I'd trust your advise on car
maintenance here over anyone else's. You always seem like you know what
you are talking about.

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:17:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 8:56:45 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:02:00 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.
Not really. Our education system is dominated by people who went to
school at 5 and never left. They never had a job that wasn't teaching
things they have never done. That assumes they actually teach you
something that translates to a job.
I know the two colleges that I worked at had computer science programs
that were teaching stuff that was 10 years old in a business that was
changing yearly.

Even computer science programs are designed to churn out future professors,
not future coders.

Cindy Hamilton
A prper technician training program teaches the PRINCIPALS of the
technology. If you know how something works at the basic level you can
figure out theadvanced features as well. If you know how something is
SUPPOSED to work, and you can figure out what it is or is not doing
that is NOT what it is supposed to do, a well trained tech can figure
out what could cause the anomoly. Same with the OBD2. If you get a
code telling you one bank is lean and that cat is running hot anf the
HCs are high, you know that you have a combustion problem - and if
combined with a cyl miss on that side you have a pretty good idea that
it is NOT an O2 sensor problem (which the code would suggest) but the
system is actually running with too much fuel in the exhaust - due to
a likely ignition missfire. A 3 gas or 5 gas analyzer would prove it
by likely showing high HCs (indicating rich) as well as high exhaust
O2 (which an untrained mechanic woulf think meant running lean). That
was how we diagnosed before OBD2 - Lots of the BASICS are still
applicable to the new tech diagnosis.


I had one situation that REALLY had me (as well as another mechanic)
totally flummoxed.
It was that 1989 Aerostar (pre obd) that blew the converter seal
outside Imlay City Michigan on the way to BC.

A few hours out of Imlay it started to misfire. We stopped for the
night and it ran great when we left at 6am in the morning - for a
while. Then it went back to a severe missfire.At about 7:30 we got to
a small town with a Ford Dealer an a CONOCO station just off the
highway. At 8 when they opened I checked both the dealer and the
service station - the dealer couldn't look at it for 4 days - the
service stzation mechanic had an 8am appointment, but was free to look
at it at about 9:30 or 10:00.I had just put new plugs in before the
trip and cleaned the injectors - so the Mechanic put it on the scope
to check the firing patterns. They looked perfect - it idled smooth
but misfired under load - with NO CHANGE in the firing pattern. He ran
He pulled he plugs to see what they look like. 2 were totally black.
Did I have 2 defective plugs that failed early?? I said change them
all - just to be sure. When he went to put the wires back on he all af
a sudden said something like "Whoa!! What have we here??" when he
found 2 spark plug wires that looked and felt like burned hot dogs -
about 5/8 of an inch in diameter and rough and scaly. The mechanic at
Imlay City Ford had not fastened the spark plug wire loom bracket to
the transmission bolt and 2 wires had been laying on the exhaust
manifold and totally "toasted" - and the spark jumping through the
carbonized silicone plug wire showed EXACTLY the same spark signature
as a properly firing spark plug in the cyl. Between the next door Ford
dealer and the NAPA store 3 blocks or so away they had the 2 wires we
needed to make the repair and we were back on the road before lunch.

On Mon, 01 Mar 2021 00:42:23 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 00:10:38 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:15:56 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:13:14 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:35:41 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

As to cars I am sure most anyone could do the simple jobs like brakes
and plug and light bulb changes, but once anything gets into the
electrical system it will take a lot of training and skill to solve the
problem. I bought a 1972 Dodge Demon. It had some kind of electrical
system for the engine that was relative new. That car about once every
week would not start. The engine would turn over, but would not fire
off at all. Could do it to the battery would almost run down and
finally it would start except about once a month it had to be towed in
as it would not start. As it was a manual transmisssion funny thing was
that after the battery would almost run down, it could be started by
puahing it off very easy.
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.
He means stop making payments and send it back

That's what I thought, but people don't do that where I come from. I didn't
think it was a real thing.
It is for guys with a 250 credit score - or a sub-50 IQ - can't go
much lower by defaulting on the loan

LOL I've been hanging with the wrong crowd.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:17:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 8:56:45 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:02:00 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.
Not really. Our education system is dominated by people who went to
school at 5 and never left. They never had a job that wasn't teaching
things they have never done. That assumes they actually teach you
something that translates to a job.
I know the two colleges that I worked at had computer science programs
that were teaching stuff that was 10 years old in a business that was
changing yearly.

Even computer science programs are designed to churn out future
professors,
not future coders.

Cindy Hamilton
A prper technician training program teaches the PRINCIPALS of the
technology. If you know how something works at the basic level you can
figure out theadvanced features as well. If you know how something is
SUPPOSED to work, and you can figure out what it is or is not doing
that is NOT what it is supposed to do, a well trained tech can figure
out what could cause the anomoly. Same with the OBD2. If you get a
code telling you one bank is lean and that cat is running hot anf the
HCs are high, you know that you have a combustion problem - and if
combined with a cyl miss on that side you have a pretty good idea that
it is NOT an O2 sensor problem (which the code would suggest) but the
system is actually running with too much fuel in the exhaust - due to
a likely ignition missfire. A 3 gas or 5 gas analyzer would prove it
by likely showing high HCs (indicating rich) as well as high exhaust
O2 (which an untrained mechanic woulf think meant running lean). That
was how we diagnosed before OBD2 - Lots of the BASICS are still
applicable to the new tech diagnosis.


I had one situation that REALLY had me (as well as another mechanic)
totally flummoxed.
It was that 1989 Aerostar (pre obd) that blew the converter seal
outside Imlay City Michigan on the way to BC.

A few hours out of Imlay it started to misfire. We stopped for the
night and it ran great when we left at 6am in the morning - for a
while. Then it went back to a severe missfire.At about 7:30 we got to
a small town with a Ford Dealer an a CONOCO station just off the
highway. At 8 when they opened I checked both the dealer and the
service station - the dealer couldn't look at it for 4 days - the
service stzation mechanic had an 8am appointment, but was free to look
at it at about 9:30 or 10:00.I had just put new plugs in before the
trip and cleaned the injectors - so the Mechanic put it on the scope
to check the firing patterns. They looked perfect - it idled smooth
but misfired under load - with NO CHANGE in the firing pattern. He ran
He pulled he plugs to see what they look like. 2 were totally black.
Did I have 2 defective plugs that failed early?? I said change them
all - just to be sure. When he went to put the wires back on he all af
a sudden said something like "Whoa!! What have we here??" when he
found 2 spark plug wires that looked and felt like burned hot dogs -
about 5/8 of an inch in diameter and rough and scaly. The mechanic at
Imlay City Ford had not fastened the spark plug wire loom bracket to
the transmission bolt and 2 wires had been laying on the exhaust
manifold and totally "toasted" - and the spark jumping through the
carbonized silicone plug wire showed EXACTLY the same spark signature
as a properly firing spark plug in the cyl. Between the next door Ford
dealer and the NAPA store 3 blocks or so away they had the 2 wires we
needed to make the repair and we were back on the road before lunch.

All that proves is that some are very effective diagnosticians
and says nothing useful about formal education in that field.

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 3:39:52 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:

The dealer and banks keep the title in NC where I am at before the car
is paid off.

In Michigan, you get the title but the financing institution has a lien
on the vehicle. When you pay off the loan, you get a "release of lien"
document.

Cindy Hamilton

On 3/1/21 12:57 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 2/28/2021 9:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 06:55:18 -0500, Arnie Millnickel
wrote:

On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy.Â* I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;Â* those who can't, teach.
Â*Â* And I DID for decades after I finished teaching - so that kinda
blows that theory.


Don't let these clowns get to you. I'd trust your advise on car maintenance here over anyone else's. You always seem like you know what you are talking about.


Are you the guy that believed Senile Joe had a plan to slay the FauciVirus-19?

In article ,
says...

A few hours out of Imlay it started to misfire. We stopped for the
night and it ran great when we left at 6am in the morning - for a
while. Then it went back to a severe missfire.At about 7:30 we got to
a small town with a Ford Dealer an a CONOCO station just off the
highway. At 8 when they opened I checked both the dealer and the
service station - the dealer couldn't look at it for 4 days - the
service stzation mechanic had an 8am appointment, but was free to look
at it at about 9:30 or 10:00.I had just put new plugs in before the
trip and cleaned the injectors - so the Mechanic put it on the scope
to check the firing patterns. They looked perfect - it idled smooth
but misfired under load - with NO CHANGE in the firing pattern. He ran
He pulled he plugs to see what they look like. 2 were totally black.
Did I have 2 defective plugs that failed early?? I said change them
all - just to be sure. When he went to put the wires back on he all af
a sudden said something like "Whoa!! What have we here??" when he
found 2 spark plug wires that looked and felt like burned hot dogs -
about 5/8 of an inch in diameter and rough and scaly. The mechanic at
Imlay City Ford had not fastened the spark plug wire loom bracket to
the transmission bolt and 2 wires had been laying on the exhaust
manifold and totally "toasted" - and the spark jumping through the
carbonized silicone plug wire showed EXACTLY the same spark signature
as a properly firing spark plug in the cyl. Between the next door Ford
dealer and the NAPA store 3 blocks or so away they had the 2 wires we
needed to make the repair and we were back on the road before lunch.



Sometimes it pays to just look at things. A friend was taking an
automotive course at the local comumity college. He had a 1966 Chevell
with the big 296 engine. That thing started cutting off with him. The
automotive course let the students repair their own cars as part of the
training . They replaced much of the electrical system and the engine
would still stop running at various times. Cutting the story short, the
problem turned out to be he had instlled a tackometer on the dash and
one of the wires insulation had rubbed through and was shorting out.

In article ,
says...
In a state where certification or training was not mandatory OR
common. Any Bubba who knew which end of a screwdriver was the handle
could call himself a mechanic. Not saying there were not some pretty
goof "self trained" mechanics - The Bootleggers who became Nascar
builders prove that - But they did a lot off "research" and "studying"
to figure out what they figured out. (and all the CURRENT Nascar teams
are HIGHLY TRAINED!!!)



I live very near the heart of the NC racing. Back in the 1960's or so a
good number of the Bootleggers ran what is the NASCAR and local dirt
track and drag races. As the cars were much simpler back then those
boys could really do lots with them.

Now there are engineers that probably do more computer modeling on the
cars than actually working on them to get the most out of them.

I gave up on watching racing many years ago when they went from a car
you could go to the dealer and buy to the frames with a body on them
that sort of resembles whatever car they want.

On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 10:29:43 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

A few hours out of Imlay it started to misfire. We stopped for the
night and it ran great when we left at 6am in the morning - for a
while. Then it went back to a severe missfire.At about 7:30 we got to
a small town with a Ford Dealer an a CONOCO station just off the
highway. At 8 when they opened I checked both the dealer and the
service station - the dealer couldn't look at it for 4 days - the
service stzation mechanic had an 8am appointment, but was free to look
at it at about 9:30 or 10:00.I had just put new plugs in before the
trip and cleaned the injectors - so the Mechanic put it on the scope
to check the firing patterns. They looked perfect - it idled smooth
but misfired under load - with NO CHANGE in the firing pattern. He ran
He pulled he plugs to see what they look like. 2 were totally black.
Did I have 2 defective plugs that failed early?? I said change them
all - just to be sure. When he went to put the wires back on he all af
a sudden said something like "Whoa!! What have we here??" when he
found 2 spark plug wires that looked and felt like burned hot dogs -
about 5/8 of an inch in diameter and rough and scaly. The mechanic at
Imlay City Ford had not fastened the spark plug wire loom bracket to
the transmission bolt and 2 wires had been laying on the exhaust
manifold and totally "toasted" - and the spark jumping through the
carbonized silicone plug wire showed EXACTLY the same spark signature
as a properly firing spark plug in the cyl. Between the next door Ford
dealer and the NAPA store 3 blocks or so away they had the 2 wires we
needed to make the repair and we were back on the road before lunch.



Sometimes it pays to just look at things. A friend was taking an
automotive course at the local comumity college. He had a 1966 Chevell
with the big 296 engine. That thing started cutting off with him. The
automotive course let the students repair their own cars as part of the
training . They replaced much of the electrical system and the engine
would still stop running at various times. Cutting the story short, the
problem turned out to be he had instlled a tackometer on the dash and
one of the wires insulation had rubbed through and was shorting out.
Not at all uncommon on early electronic tachs. Good idea to install a
very low value fuse (250ma or less) on the "P Lead" at the coil - or
with the new high impedence tacks, a high value resistor. That's why a
lot of experimental aviation guys use an "induction tachometer". On
inconvience on a 396 Chevelle becomes life or death at 6000 feet.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 00:21:52 -0500, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:12 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote:


Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians
with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD.

That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't
need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars.

And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees
who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university
degrees didn't get them a "job"

And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to
school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car.

I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car
though, an a lot of the other electronics.

That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists.

You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days.

That?s very arguable indeed given that there is very little
to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the
brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even
with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the
OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit
of the time and no timing etc to do anymore.

Makes no sense to require formal qualifications.

I'lL call you on your BS
The OBDII tells you what reading is out of spec. That is ALL it tells
you. It takes an educated professional to know what can cause that
reading to be wrong and how to test and PROVE what the problem is
instead of throwing half a dozeh expensive components at the car, then
cross their fingers and hope they didn't STILL miss the real problem.
That's why the "pinpoint tests" in the factory manual for a given
error code can cover 7 pages in the factory manual - and why the print
version of a typical factory manual con be over 6 inches thick. (and
cost several hundred dollars - and why they are virtually all now in
electronic format indexed 7 ways to sunday) Many won't fit on a CD any
more - and some require double layer DVDs.
Servicing variable valve timing and gasoline direct injection, not to
mention computer controlled transmissions and turbocharged engines and
anti-lock brakes, and active colission avoidance, and traction control
- and canbus controlled door locking systems - and even tail-lights
with computers in them -
Good luck sucker of you don't have a well trained mechanic working on
it. Just the electrical wiring will blow the mind of most "mr fixits"
- whenthe doors lockand unlock by themselves driving down the road -
or the alarm goes off in the middle of the night - or the windows go
up or down by themselves (or don't when you want them to) or the car
won't start or the doors won't unlock (or lock) from the FOB - or the
airbag light comes on - and particularly when the problems are
intermittent - - -. There are no "adjustments" any more - sure. They
require less scheduled maintenance - for sure - but those are the
SIMPLE jobs that the uneducated guy with grease under his fingers and
a $50 tool kit could do.

Also, Today's cars , on the whole - have a LOT more miles on them. A
car with 10000 miles on it is just nicely broken in and you are not
going to scrap it just because there is one small problem that you
can't fix (but you would be surprised how many cars end up scrapped
for what would have amounted to a "simple" problem 15 years ago )
because you don't have a properly trained mechanic to fix it.

ANd just for the safety and liability reasons untrained people should
NOT be screwing around with safety related stuff - even "simple" stuff
like brakes

We've all seen the posts from guys (possibly even guys like you)
asking what to do next to fix whatever small problem on their car
after replacing half a dozen or more parts - at a cost of several
hundred dollars - that an educated mechanic could have told you in 10
seconds, without seeing the car, were NOT going to be the problem just
from how you describe the problem - - - - . Many times it's "my
mechanic has replaced all these parts and it still has the problem" or
"I've haf 4 mechanics look at it and they don't have a clue"

Right - they are noit properlyt trained - and they LITERALLY don't
have a clue.

They fired the "parts cannon"

--
Tekkie

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:13:14 -0600, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest...


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:35:41 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

As to cars I am sure most anyone could do the simple jobs like brakes
and plug and light bulb changes, but once anything gets into the
electrical system it will take a lot of training and skill to solve the
problem. I bought a 1972 Dodge Demon. It had some kind of electrical
system for the engine that was relative new. That car about once every
week would not start. The engine would turn over, but would not fire
off at all. Could do it to the battery would almost run down and
finally it would start except about once a month it had to be towed in
as it would not start. As it was a manual transmisssion funny thing was
that after the battery would almost run down, it could be started by
puahing it off very easy.
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.

He may mean to return it under the lemon law. I took advantage of that law.

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 01 Mar 2021 00:44:22 -0500, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 06:55:18 -0500, Arnie Millnickel
wrote:

On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do;* those who can't, teach.
And I DID for decades after I finished teaching - so that kinda
blows that theory.

Clare, I second Bob F's post. I used to do the work, BUT it was a long time ago
when things were simpler.

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 01 Mar 2021 01:22:24 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:17:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 8:56:45 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:02:00 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/02/2021 11:55, Arnie Millnickel wrote:
On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

Erm, if he trained as a mechanic, then he *did* do.
You have to *do* first before you can teach.
Not really. Our education system is dominated by people who went to
school at 5 and never left. They never had a job that wasn't teaching
things they have never done. That assumes they actually teach you
something that translates to a job.
I know the two colleges that I worked at had computer science programs
that were teaching stuff that was 10 years old in a business that was
changing yearly.

Even computer science programs are designed to churn out future professors,
not future coders.

Cindy Hamilton
A prper technician training program teaches the PRINCIPALS of the
technology. If you know how something works at the basic level you can
figure out theadvanced features as well. If you know how something is
SUPPOSED to work, and you can figure out what it is or is not doing
that is NOT what it is supposed to do, a well trained tech can figure
out what could cause the anomoly. Same with the OBD2. If you get a
code telling you one bank is lean and that cat is running hot anf the
HCs are high, you know that you have a combustion problem - and if
combined with a cyl miss on that side you have a pretty good idea that
it is NOT an O2 sensor problem (which the code would suggest) but the
system is actually running with too much fuel in the exhaust - due to
a likely ignition missfire. A 3 gas or 5 gas analyzer would prove it
by likely showing high HCs (indicating rich) as well as high exhaust
O2 (which an untrained mechanic woulf think meant running lean). That
was how we diagnosed before OBD2 - Lots of the BASICS are still
applicable to the new tech diagnosis.


An old school guy would just read the plugs.

On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 02:15:32 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 3:39:52 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:

The dealer and banks keep the title in NC where I am at before the car
is paid off.

In Michigan, you get the title but the financing institution has a lien
on the vehicle. When you pay off the loan, you get a "release of lien"
document.

Cindy Hamilton

Same as most places I imagine. Like someone said, some "buy here pay
here" places hold the title and you don't really own the car until it
is paid off. When their repo man brings it back they shine it up and
put it back on the lot.

On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:13:50 -0500, Tekkie© wrote:


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 00:21:52 -0500, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:12 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote:


Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians
with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD.

That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't
need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars.

And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees
who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university
degrees didn't get them a "job"

And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to
school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car.

I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car
though, an a lot of the other electronics.

That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists.

You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days.

That?s very arguable indeed given that there is very little
to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the
brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even
with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the
OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit
of the time and no timing etc to do anymore.

Makes no sense to require formal qualifications.

I'lL call you on your BS
The OBDII tells you what reading is out of spec. That is ALL it tells
you. It takes an educated professional to know what can cause that
reading to be wrong and how to test and PROVE what the problem is
instead of throwing half a dozeh expensive components at the car, then
cross their fingers and hope they didn't STILL miss the real problem.
That's why the "pinpoint tests" in the factory manual for a given
error code can cover 7 pages in the factory manual - and why the print
version of a typical factory manual con be over 6 inches thick. (and
cost several hundred dollars - and why they are virtually all now in
electronic format indexed 7 ways to sunday) Many won't fit on a CD any
more - and some require double layer DVDs.
Servicing variable valve timing and gasoline direct injection, not to
mention computer controlled transmissions and turbocharged engines and
anti-lock brakes, and active colission avoidance, and traction control
- and canbus controlled door locking systems - and even tail-lights
with computers in them -
Good luck sucker of you don't have a well trained mechanic working on
it. Just the electrical wiring will blow the mind of most "mr fixits"
- whenthe doors lockand unlock by themselves driving down the road -
or the alarm goes off in the middle of the night - or the windows go
up or down by themselves (or don't when you want them to) or the car
won't start or the doors won't unlock (or lock) from the FOB - or the
airbag light comes on - and particularly when the problems are
intermittent - - -. There are no "adjustments" any more - sure. They
require less scheduled maintenance - for sure - but those are the
SIMPLE jobs that the uneducated guy with grease under his fingers and
a $50 tool kit could do.

Also, Today's cars , on the whole - have a LOT more miles on them. A
car with 10000 miles on it is just nicely broken in and you are not
going to scrap it just because there is one small problem that you
can't fix (but you would be surprised how many cars end up scrapped
for what would have amounted to a "simple" problem 15 years ago )
because you don't have a properly trained mechanic to fix it.

ANd just for the safety and liability reasons untrained people should
NOT be screwing around with safety related stuff - even "simple" stuff
like brakes

We've all seen the posts from guys (possibly even guys like you)
asking what to do next to fix whatever small problem on their car
after replacing half a dozen or more parts - at a cost of several
hundred dollars - that an educated mechanic could have told you in 10
seconds, without seeing the car, were NOT going to be the problem just
from how you describe the problem - - - - . Many times it's "my
mechanic has replaced all these parts and it still has the problem" or
"I've haf 4 mechanics look at it and they don't have a clue"

Right - they are noit properlyt trained - and they LITERALLY don't
have a clue.

They fired the "parts cannon"
Loaded with "grape shot"

On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:22:51 -0500, Tekkie© wrote:


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:13:14 -0600, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest...


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:35:41 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

As to cars I am sure most anyone could do the simple jobs like brakes
and plug and light bulb changes, but once anything gets into the
electrical system it will take a lot of training and skill to solve the
problem. I bought a 1972 Dodge Demon. It had some kind of electrical
system for the engine that was relative new. That car about once every
week would not start. The engine would turn over, but would not fire
off at all. Could do it to the battery would almost run down and
finally it would start except about once a month it had to be towed in
as it would not start. As it was a manual transmisssion funny thing was
that after the battery would almost run down, it could be started by
puahing it off very easy.
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.

He may mean to return it under the lemon law. I took advantage of that law.
The lemon law is no respector of financial arrangements - and was not
in effect in 1972 / 73.

The resistor that caused all the problems was used from 1972 to 1980
Chryslerpart # 3656199 upgraded to 3874767 - Napa Echlin number ICR24

Ther early one had exposed resistance coils - the later ones were
ceramic embedded - which helped their reliability just a WEE bit.

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:01:31 AM UTC-6, jimmy wrote:
On 3/1/21 12:57 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 2/28/2021 9:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 06:55:18 -0500, Arnie Millnickel
wrote:

On 2/27/21 9:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I
TRAINED mechanics


Hey Goober,

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
And I DID for decades after I finished teaching - so that kinda
blows that theory.


Don't let these clowns get to you. I'd trust your advise on car maintenance here over anyone else's. You always seem like you know what you are talking about.
Are you the guy that believed Senile Joe had a plan to slay the FauciVirus-19?

seems to be doing a creditable job so far, in spite of the hurdles created by Trump administration, including but not limited to refusal to participate in transition briefings

Georgia just opened the grand jury regarding Trump election malfeasance, which means they are now ready to issue subpoenas

I just listened to the entire tape

Trump does not let anyone else talk

His voice is clear, (that is microphone is in the room) supporting John Dean's theory trump released the tape,

Also, Trump was audibly deliriously happy with the fake info he presented during that conference

if he did indeed record and issue the tape, it is clear he wanted the public to hear this tape because he felthis allegations would be taken as truth

sadly, they did

shortly after its release, the Georgia secretary of State said that his staff had created the recording

I will bet that, even tho he fessed up, that Trump was also making a recording and the Secretary of State beat him to it

mk5000

€œWe felt it was important for the public to see the results of the investigation at the same time we received them. We welcomed how comprehensive and thorough the investigators were over the last six months."--Aurora City Manager Jim Twombly.

On Mon, 01 Mar 2021 18:34:34 -0500, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:22:51 -0500, Tekkie© wrote:


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:13:14 -0600, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest...


On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:35:41 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

As to cars I am sure most anyone could do the simple jobs like brakes
and plug and light bulb changes, but once anything gets into the
electrical system it will take a lot of training and skill to solve the
problem. I bought a 1972 Dodge Demon. It had some kind of electrical
system for the engine that was relative new. That car about once every
week would not start. The engine would turn over, but would not fire
off at all. Could do it to the battery would almost run down and
finally it would start except about once a month it had to be towed in
as it would not start. As it was a manual transmisssion funny thing was
that after the battery would almost run down, it could be started by
puahing it off very easy.
I had it back a number of times and finally at about 18,000 miles traded
it in for another car. I had made a mistake of paying cash for that
car. Had I not , I would have let it go back after the 2 nd month I had
it.

What does let it go back mean? I have an idea, but it can't be right.

He may mean to return it under the lemon law. I took advantage of that law.
The lemon law is no respector of financial arrangements - and was not
in effect in 1972 / 73.

The resistor that caused all the problems was used from 1972 to 1980
Chryslerpart # 3656199 upgraded to 3874767 - Napa Echlin number ICR24

Ther early one had exposed resistance coils - the later ones were
ceramic embedded - which helped their reliability just a WEE bit.

I had a Dart with one. I kept a spare, although I don't recall it being a
double... I towed many a car that had the problem, hence carrying the spare.

Echlin, from what I hear is, like most other parts these days, a former shell
of itself. They used to be good parts, brass in the distributor caps and
rotors, points that work so out of spec because the rubbing block lasted.
I think they are mostly relabeled Dorman crap now.

--
Tekkie