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OT Why $7.50 is enough
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message ... In article , says... Sometimes the minimum skilled jobs are really necessary and should pay more. Take the garbage collection. Not much skill to drive the truck and pick up the cans. Bad example They could be making $40,000-$70,000 a year depending on where they are, plus bennies. It does all depend on where one lives. I would guess that in some cities of California or New York the 40 to 70 thousand may put one on the lower pay scale. Where I live that would be a very good paying job. The average wage is mostly under $ 18 per hour. What is difficult is that I guess many things cost the same in all parts of the country not counting the homes and taxes. It used to be that grocery stores around here hired people from 16 to 20 years old to stock the shelves and bag groceries. We even carried them to the cars and put them in the cars. Now there are some that just operate the cash registers and put the groceries in the bags. The fast food places hired the same age group for most of the jobs. Now those jobs are taken over by grown ups that are trying to make a living at it. I don't believe that with either of those jobs. From what they are saying if the wages go up very much the fast food places will soon go to a vending machine type operation. Yep, it a classic where its easy to automate. More jobs lost to automation. But the unemployment rate is still very low without the virus. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On 02/26/2021 07:16 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:12:24 AM UTC-5, bruce bowser wrote: On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:01:55 AM UTC-5, micky wrote: OT Why $7.50 is enough https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html "Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from congressional Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15, pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at a restaurant as a €œkid€." Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South Dakota in 1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation rates €“ would amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars. But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6 or less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50. Now, the mimumim wage in Spain is $8.00 an hour USD. Why pay them more? It's $19.84 in Australia. Why pay them less? Which is USD 15.31... |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On 02/26/2021 11:19 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Service stations mean lots of things now. Many in my area mainly pump gas (most are really pump it yourself) and maybe change or repair tires and a few minor things like wipers and light bulbs and oil changes. I think a lot of their money comes from the safety inspections. That is about all that is required of by cars of today. Anything else is usually a major repair and requires lots of skill. I think there is one real service station in town. For most the gas pumps are an addition to the casino or mini-mart that barely break even/ |
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On 2/26/2021 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 06:51:35 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote: On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote: OT Why $7.50 is enough https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html "Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from congressional Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15, pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at a restaurant as a €œkid€." Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South Dakota in 1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation rates €“ would amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars. But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6 or less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50. If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills. Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they try, will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at the grocery store, for example. Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are getting food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage. I suppose they should understand once they are making $15 some of those programs may be unavailable to them Correct, that is one reason to pay a decent wage, they don't suck off the government teat. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On 2/26/2021 1:55 PM, wrote:
When I started working, in 1963, the minimum wage was $1. Adjusted for inflation that is $8.55 now. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ In 1966 I started at IBM at $2.60 an hour. In 1963 it was $1.25 https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/min.../history/chart Would be $10.65 now https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm |
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On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote:
Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days. |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 05:12:53 +1100, Fredcantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent: "Ah, the voice of scum speaks." MID: |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days. Thats very arguable indeed given that there is very little to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit of the time and no timing etc to do anymore. Makes no sense to require formal qualifications. |
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On 02/26/2021 02:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/26/2021 1:55 PM, wrote: When I started working, in 1963, the minimum wage was $1. Adjusted for inflation that is $8.55 now. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ In 1966 I started at IBM at $2.60 an hour. In 1963 it was $1.25 https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/min.../history/chart Would be $10.65 now https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm This is a cut'n'paste from twitter and I have not checked the numbers. $11 would put a single person over the SNAP limit I believe, for a full 40 hour work week but Walmart appears to employ many part timers. I shop at Walmart about once a year after exhausting the other options in town so I have no feel for it. I have been shopping at CostCo for over 20 years and recognize quite a few people that have been working there that long so they must be satisfied. Dan Price @DanPriceSeattle Min wage Costco: $16 Walmart: $11 Average pay Costco: $24 Walmart: $15 Employees on food stamps (subsidized by you) Costco: Virtually none Walmart: More than any other company Founder net worth Costco: not a billionaire Walmart: over $220 billion; up $30 billion in pandemic |
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On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too.Â* Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. Some won't touch them. Evidently you have not seen the complexity of these units and everything they control. It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days. Thats very arguable indeed given that there is very little to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit of the time and no timing etc to do anymore. Makes no sense to require formal qualifications. Without some training and qualifications you probably won't get a job at a dealership aside from changing tires. Have you looked at some of the battery connectors? They are not like on your '72 Chevy any more. Where would you start looking for an error on the Automatic emergency braking system? or the Lane Keep assist. How about lining up the cameras after a windshield change? Some of the windshield companies will send you to the dealer for calibration after they change the glass. Do you know how to do it? |
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lowbrowwoman, the Endlessly Driveling Senile Gossip
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:47:09 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: This is a cut'n'paste from twitter and I have not checked the numbers. $11 would put a single person over the SNAP limit I believe, for a full 40 hour work week but Walmart appears to employ many part timers. I shop at Walmart about once a year... Oh, my! LOL |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 12:12:25 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 2:47:32 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Sometimes the minimum skilled jobs are really necessary and should pay more. Take the garbage collection. Not much skill to drive the truck and pick up the cans. Bad example They could be making $40,000-$70,000 a year depending on where they are, plus bennies. It does all depend on where one lives. I would guess that in some cities of California or New York the 40 to 70 thousand may put one on the lower pay scale. Where I live that would be a very good paying job. The average wage is mostly under $ 18 per hour. What is difficult is that I guess many things cost the same in all parts of the country not counting the homes and taxes. It used to be that grocery stores around here hired people from 16 to 20 years old to stock the shelves and bag groceries. We even carried them to the cars and put them in the cars. Now there are some that just operate the cash registers and put the groceries in the bags. The fast food places hired the same age group for most of the jobs. Now those jobs are taken over by grown ups that are trying to make a living at it. Yeah. I can't remember which downturn it was (1992?) that I first saw some gray-haired old man working at McDonald's. It was kind of sad. He definitely looked like he'd been downsized from a real job and was at the end of his rope. Cindy Hamilton I started working in fast food joints in 84 and we had some that were all kids with a 2.5 or 3 three a year turn over rate, a few were full of older people who had been there long enough to make decent money for Florida. That still wasn't the only bread winner in the house tho. It was empty nest housewives or ones with kids on school who wanted a daytime gig while their hubby was at work for some extra money. Those were the smoothest running shops because any one of them could have been the manager but they didn't want to move. I was one of the few guys who didn't mind fast food. I just made it easier with a change in the maintenance philosophy and we ended getting a pretty good reputation at Wendy's HQ. When they rolled out their new registers, they did it in our territory. I met Dave. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 16:00:43 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/26/2021 1:55 PM, wrote: When I started working, in 1963, the minimum wage was $1. Adjusted for inflation that is $8.55 now. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ In 1966 I started at IBM at $2.60 an hour. In 1963 it was $1.25 https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/min.../history/chart Would be $10.65 now https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm Read the footnotes "1 the 1938 Act was applicable generally to employees engaged in interstate commerce or in the production of goods for interstate commerce. 2 the 1961 Amendments extended coverage primarily to employees in large retail and service enterprises as well as to local transit, construction, and gasoline service station employees. " Most folks fell under #2. $1,00 if they were covered at all. My short lived lifeguard job was exempt from both. It was a 12 hour a day job that paid **** but you had all the teenaged girls you could handle. That is a consideration when you are 17. My best paying job was cash delivering iced chickens, $20 a truckload all around Northern Virginia, mostly to 7-11s when they were selling rotisserie chickens. If you hustled you could empty the truck in about 4-5 hours. That was more money than I made at IBM. The problem was it was only one day a week, Saturday. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. Some won't touch them. The specialists do. Evidently you have not seen the complexity of these units and everything they control. Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault. It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. Yep, and thats part of the reason its specialists that do most of the work. You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days. Thats very arguable indeed given that there is very little to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit of the time and no timing etc to do anymore. Makes no sense to require formal qualifications. Without some training and qualifications you probably won't get a job at a dealership aside from changing tires. But will still be able to with the non dealer operations and will be able to do it yourself. We have annual checks for registration renewal every year and thats mostly done by non dealers who do all the work on cars and small trucks apart from the fancy stuff like radios. Have you looked at some of the battery connectors? Yep, I change batteries myself. They are not like on your '72 Chevy any more. Yes, but any decent mechanic can do it fine. Where would you start looking for an error on the Automatic emergency braking system? Use youtube etc. or the Lane Keep assist. How about lining up the cameras after a windshield change? You dont need 4 years of back to school for that that wouldnt have taught you that anyway, Some of the windshield companies will send you to the dealer for calibration after they change the glass. Do you know how to do it? Dont need to, get the dealer to do it. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before you can work as a mechanic. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message ... In article , says... You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days. That?s very arguable indeed given that there is very little to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit of the time and no timing etc to do anymore. Makes no sense to require formal qualifications. Sometimes I don't know about that. It took a dealer mechanic about 3 weeks just to find the mass air sensor (think that was the part) was causing my Toyota to run very rough. There will always be curly ones, but that's a separate issue to whether it makes any sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before you can work on any cars etc. In fact a mate of mine who has no formal training past high school and who was a right little brat in high school spends all his time as a mechanic buys used Mercs off ebay, fixes the faults other mechanics havent been able to fix and sells them for twice what he paid. I had replaced the simple things like the plugs, wires, fuel filter. The Autozone or some other parts place had a chart that mentioned that, but as it was about a $ 500 part I wanted to make sure that was what it needed. This was on a 1991 so it probably did not have the OBD2 to tell what sensor was bad. Sure, but any decent mechanic wouldn't have had to try things are random like you did. It took so long that I even emailed the Toyota headquarters about that. Sure, there will always be curly ones, but clearly the formal training didn't help that mechanic. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On 2/26/2021 8:28 PM, Fred wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too.Â* Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. Some won't touch them. The specialists do. Oh, as in someone with training? You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road. Evidently you have not seen the complexity of these units and everything they control. Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault. It isn't just a radio any more.Â* Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. Yep, and thats part of the reason its specialists that do most of the work. Exactly, people with some training. Where would you start looking for an error on the Automatic emergency braking system? Use youtube etc. You still need some familiarity with electronics and how to find and fix the problems. Few people will just look at a youtube video and figure it out. or the Lane Keep assist. How about lining up the cameras after a windshield change? You dont need 4 years of back to school for that that wouldnt have taught you that anyway, I didn't say 4 years, but some training is needed. Some of the windshield companies will send you to the dealer for calibration after they change the glass.Â* Do you know how to do it? Dont need to, get the dealer to do it. If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training beforeÂ* you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...stories.50030/ https://www.svtperformance.com/threa...tories.884065/ https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f7/j...tories-209317/ |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 8:28 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. Some won't touch them. The specialists do. Oh, as in someone with training? Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area. You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road. Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff. Evidently you have not seen the complexity of these units and everything they control. Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault. It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. Yep, and thats part of the reason its specialists that do most of the work. Exactly, people with some training. Still wrong, they dont have formal training. they just specialise in it. Where would you start looking for an error on the Automatic emergency braking system? Use youtube etc. You still need some familiarity with electronics But dont need formal training in that. and how to find and fix the problems. Not when you can use youtube. Few people will just look at a youtube video and figure it out. Any decent mechanic can. Yes, they arent common. I was given a box of bits that were the result of one of the neighbour's kids disassembling one of the bicycle epicyclic gearboxes that you dont see on bikes anymore, before the internet was even invented and was able to put it back together as good as new with only a basic knowledge of how they work and the wear marks. And I designed and built on a bare block of land the quite fancy passive solar house, again without any internet without any formal training in house building at all, just the library and walking around in the evening looking at how houses being built were done. or the Lane Keep assist. How about lining up the cameras after a windshield change? You dont need 4 years of back to school for that that wouldnt have taught you that anyway, I didn't say 4 years, but some training is needed. Bull****. My mechanic mate hasnt had any. And the other one that me and a couple of other mates helped move a pile of rusting metal to his back yard which he turned into a magnificently restored vintage car didnt either in mechanics. Some of the windshield companies will send you to the dealer for calibration after they change the glass. Do you know how to do it? Dont need to, get the dealer to do it. If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. But those operations dont go back to school to learn how to do it. They use the documentation that comes with it. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. And the best mechanics dont need that. I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. In fact I do all the work on my car myself. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...stories.50030/ https://www.svtperformance.com/threa...tories.884065/ https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f7/j...tories-209317/ There will always be incompetent fools in any area, even just changing a wheel. |
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On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote:
Oh, as in someoneÂ* with training? Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area. How did they learn? Came to them in a dream? You made my point.Â* You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road. Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff. Yep, they learned in a dream on night. Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault. Yes, one person. It isn't just a radio any more.Â* Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. Yep, and thats part of the reason its specialists that do most of the work. Exactly, people with some training. Still wrong, they dont have formal training. they just specialise in it. Where did they learn it? Bull****. My mechanic mate hasnt had any. OK, a sample of 1 Very scientific. If the glass company does not have the instruments you do.Â* Some now have them, not all do.Â* As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment.Â* Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. But those operations dont go back to school to learn how to do it. They use the documentation that comes with it. WTF do you think that is? A form of training. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training beforeÂ* you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years.Â* But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. And the best mechanics dont need that. Try running a dealership without it I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. In fact I do all the work on my car myself. Another sample of 1 |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote: Oh, as in someone with training? Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area. How did they learn? By doing it, just like any decent mechanic does. Came to them in a dream? Nope. You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road. Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff. Yep, they learned in a dream on night. Nope, by doing it. Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault. Yes, one person. Plenty more than one person that even I know. It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. Yep, and thats part of the reason its specialists that do most of the work. Exactly, people with some training. Still wrong, they dont have formal training. they just specialise in it. Where did they learn it? By doing it. Bull****. My mechanic mate hasnt had any. OK, a sample of 1 Very scientific. None of the others I know have either. If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. But those operations dont go back to school to learn how to do it. They use the documentation that comes with it. WTF do you think that is? A form of training. Bull**** it is, just like it isnt with any appliance or the car you buy. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. And the best mechanics dont need that. Try running a dealership without it I know one that has done just that. I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. In fact I do all the work on my car myself. Another sample of 1 Plenty of others do that too. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:52:16 -0500, Heywood wrote:
On 2/26/2021 1:15 PM, Rod Speed wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 9:43 AM, Wade Garrett wrote: On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote: On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote: OT** Why $7.50 is enough https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html "Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from congressional Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15, pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at a restaurant as a “kid”." Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South Dakota in 1979, when a $6 hourly wage – adjusted to modern inflation rates – would amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars. But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6 or less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50. If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills. While that seems to make a lot of sense at first glance, some people are morn with minimal capacity.* They do not have the ability to improve. That last is bull**** even with the retarded. So, tell us about your experience working with retarded and low intelligence people. Surely you have evidence to back up your statement. Maybe $5 is enough for them? I've hired people like that and though limited did a fine job and were reliable.* No need to starve them. No one starves in the first and second world except the bulimics and anorexics. And the poor that go to bed hungry and the homeless. If you cannot pay $10 today you don't deserve to be in business. That’s bull**** too. What is a fair pay? Anything over a dollar an hour is overpaying for the likes of Rod Speed. |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:47:26 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Sometimes the minimum skilled jobs are really necessary and should pay more. Take the garbage collection. Not much skill to drive the truck and pick up the cans. Bad example They could be making $40,000-$70,000 a year depending on where they are, plus bennies. It does all depend on where one lives. I would guess that in some cities of California or New York the 40 to 70 thousand may put one on the lower pay scale. Where I live that would be a very good paying job. The average wage is mostly under $ 18 per hour. What is difficult is that I guess many things cost the same in all parts of the country not counting the homes and taxes. It used to be that grocery stores around here hired people from 16 to 20 years old to stock the shelves and bag groceries. We even carried them to the cars and put them in the cars. Now there are some that just operate the cash registers and put the groceries in the bags. The fast food places hired the same age group for most of the jobs. Now those jobs are taken over by grown ups that are trying to make a living at it. From what they are saying if the wages go up very much the fast food places will soon go to a vending machine type operation. More jobs lost to automation. Minimum wage is $14.25 in Ontario and the fast food restaurants are still doing fine (barely surviving through COVID but not due to wage costs) A McDonalds "manager" makes about $32000 a year. Student minimum wage is $12.75? Average fast food worker pay is $15 an hour in Canada. (not enough) Tim Hortons starts at about $14.25. Dairy Queen pay's $15. Wendy's pays $15.73 for a "shift manager". |
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:12 +1100, "Fred" wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days. That’s very arguable indeed given that there is very little to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit of the time and no timing etc to do anymore. Makes no sense to require formal qualifications. I'lL call you on your BS The OBDII tells you what reading is out of spec. That is ALL it tells you. It takes an educated professional to know what can cause that reading to be wrong and how to test and PROVE what the problem is instead of throwing half a dozeh expensive components at the car, then cross their fingers and hope they didn't STILL miss the real problem. That's why the "pinpoint tests" in the factory manual for a given error code can cover 7 pages in the factory manual - and why the print version of a typical factory manual con be over 6 inches thick. (and cost several hundred dollars - and why they are virtually all now in electronic format indexed 7 ways to sunday) Many won't fit on a CD any more - and some require double layer DVDs. Servicing variable valve timing and gasoline direct injection, not to mention computer controlled transmissions and turbocharged engines and anti-lock brakes, and active colission avoidance, and traction control - and canbus controlled door locking systems - and even tail-lights with computers in them - Good luck sucker of you don't have a well trained mechanic working on it. Just the electrical wiring will blow the mind of most "mr fixits" - whenthe doors lockand unlock by themselves driving down the road - or the alarm goes off in the middle of the night - or the windows go up or down by themselves (or don't when you want them to) or the car won't start or the doors won't unlock (or lock) from the FOB - or the airbag light comes on - and particularly when the problems are intermittent - - -. There are no "adjustments" any more - sure. They require less scheduled maintenance - for sure - but those are the SIMPLE jobs that the uneducated guy with grease under his fingers and a $50 tool kit could do. Also, Today's cars , on the whole - have a LOT more miles on them. A car with 10000 miles on it is just nicely broken in and you are not going to scrap it just because there is one small problem that you can't fix (but you would be surprised how many cars end up scrapped for what would have amounted to a "simple" problem 15 years ago ) because you don't have a properly trained mechanic to fix it. ANd just for the safety and liability reasons untrained people should NOT be screwing around with safety related stuff - even "simple" stuff like brakes We've all seen the posts from guys (possibly even guys like you) asking what to do next to fix whatever small problem on their car after replacing half a dozen or more parts - at a cost of several hundred dollars - that an educated mechanic could have told you in 10 seconds, without seeing the car, were NOT going to be the problem just from how you describe the problem - - - - . Many times it's "my mechanic has replaced all these parts and it still has the problem" or "I've haf 4 mechanics look at it and they don't have a clue" Right - they are noit properlyt trained - and they LITERALLY don't have a clue. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:59:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/26/2021 8:28 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too.* Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. Some won't touch them. The specialists do. Oh, as in someone with training? You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road. Evidently you have not seen the complexity of these units and everything they control. Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault. It isn't just a radio any more.* Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. Yep, and that’s part of the reason its specialists that do most of the work. Exactly, people with some training. Where would you start looking for an error on the Automatic emergency braking system? Use youtube etc. You still need some familiarity with electronics and how to find and fix the problems. Few people will just look at a youtube video and figure it out. ANd there is so much total bull**** on YouTube too. ANybody can be an "expert" There is a saying that sorting the goof information on the internet from the bad is like sorting fly**** from pepper. or the Lane Keep assist. How about lining up the cameras after a windshield change? You don’t need 4 years of back to school for that that wouldn’t have taught you that anyway, I didn't say 4 years, but some training is needed. Some of the windshield companies will send you to the dealer for calibration after they change the glass.* Do you know how to do it? Don’t need to, get the dealer to do it. If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before* you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...stories.50030/ https://www.svtperformance.com/threa...tories.884065/ https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f7/j...tories-209317/ I could add quite a few more from experience - having been a licensed automotive mechanic for almost 50 years. (just let my license lapse at age 66) |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:20:52 +1100, "Fred" wrote:
No use arguing with a fool - it's like mud-wrestling with a pig. He (Fred) is abviously willfully ignorant - We are all born ignorant, but it's a full-time job to remain ignorant all your life. |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:06:35 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote: If the glass company does not have the instruments you do.* Some now have them, not all do.* As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment.* Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. But those operations don’t go back to school to learn how to do it. All the big glass shop chains have training programs and spend a LOT on training They use the documentation that comes with it. WTF do you think that is? A form of training. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before* you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years.* But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. And the best mechanics don’t need that. As a fealer service manager I sent my technicians to training provided by the manufacturer several times a year. Average about 15 hours per tech per year. When I was working at an independent ":service station" garage the oil company provided training several times a year on different systems. I likely averaged 15 hours a year from SHell, Imperial, and Texaco over the years as well as seminars put on by publications like SSGM (Service Station and Garage Management) and from parts suppliers (like UAP/NAPA) and companies like Delco Remy, Neihoff and Echlin) just for starters - and that was when cars were "simple" mechanical dinasaurs Try running a dealership without it I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. In fact I do all the work on my car myself. Another sample of 1 And how many un-necessary parts does he install trying to solve a problem before he stumbles on the right fix? Even a blind pig finds the occaisional acorn. |
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"Clare Snyder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:12 +1100, "Fred" wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days. That's very arguable indeed given that there is very little to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit of the time and no timing etc to do anymore. Makes no sense to require formal qualifications. I'lL call you on your BS We'll see... The OBDII tells you what reading is out of spec. That is ALL it tells you. Bull**** with plenty of cars. It takes an educated professional to know what can cause that reading to be wrong and how to test and PROVE what the problem is More bull****. Plenty of the best mechanics can do that, they don't need to be educated to do that and never have. instead of throwing half a dozeh expensive components at the car, then cross their fingers and hope they didn't STILL miss the real problem. The best mechanics don't operate like that. That's why the "pinpoint tests" in the factory manual for a given error code can cover 7 pages in the factory manual - and why the print version of a typical factory manual con be over 6 inches thick. And the best mechanics are free to use that. (and cost several hundred dollars Not anymore now that they are often trivially downloadable. - and why they are virtually all now in electronic format indexed 7 ways to sunday) Many won't fit on a CD any more - and some require double layer DVDs. And the best mechanics don't need them for most faults. Servicing variable valve timing and gasoline direct injection, not to mention computer controlled transmissions and turbocharged engines and anti-lock brakes, and active colission avoidance, and traction control - and canbus controlled door locking systems - and even tail-lights with computers in them - Good luck sucker of you don't have a well trained mechanic working on it. Mate of mine that fixes Mercs has no formal training and always works out what the problem is. That's why so many get him to do the curly stuff. Just the electrical wiring will blow the mind of most "mr fixits" - whenthe doors lockand unlock by themselves driving down the road - or the alarm goes off in the middle of the night - or the windows go up or down by themselves (or don't when you want them to) or the car won't start or the doors won't unlock (or lock) from the FOB - or the airbag light comes on - and particularly when the problems are intermittent - - -. Those faults arent common at all. There are no "adjustments" any more - sure. They require less scheduled maintenance - for sure - but those are the SIMPLE jobs that the uneducated guy with grease under his fingers and a $50 tool kit could do. So those individuals are fine in the service stations that still do more than just pump gas. No need for the state to require 4 years of formal education before they are allowed to do that stuff. Also, Today's cars , on the whole - have a LOT more miles on them. That's very arguable with the cars most of us drive. A car with 10000 miles on it is just nicely broken in and you are not going to scrap it just because there is one small problem that you can't fix But plenty still get a new car every couple of years. (but you would be surprised how many cars end up scrapped for what would have amounted to a "simple" problem 15 years ago ) because you don't have a properly trained mechanic to fix it. Yep, that's why that mate of mine buys those turbo Mercs off ebay, fixes the problem, and flogs them for twice what he paid for the original and the parts. With no formal training at all. ANd just for the safety and liability reasons untrained people should NOT be screwing around with safety related stuff - even "simple" stuff like brakes Bull****. Any decent mechanic can replace brake pads etc. We've all seen the posts from guys (possibly even guys like you) asking what to do next to fix whatever small problem on their car after replacing half a dozen or more parts - at a cost of several hundred dollars - that an educated mechanic could have told you in 10 seconds, without seeing the car, were NOT going to be the problem just from how you describe the problem - - - - . Just as true of any decent uneducated mechanic and anyone that can do some research using google too. Its no news that most don't have decent diagnostic skills but that's an entirely separate matter to whether 4 years of formal education is needed by the best mechanics. Many times it's "my mechanic has replaced all these parts and it still has the problem" or "I've haf 4 mechanics look at it and they don't have a clue" Its no news that many mechanics don't have a clue with all but the most basic routine stuff. Right - they are noit properlyt trained - and they LITERALLY don't have a clue. Plenty were properly trained and still don't have any real diagnostic skills, because most don't. |
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"Clare Snyder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:06:35 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote: If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. But those operations don't go back to school to learn how to do it. All the big glass shop chains have training programs and spend a LOT on training They use the documentation that comes with it. WTF do you think that is? A form of training. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. And the best mechanics don't need that. As a fealer service manager I sent my technicians to training provided by the manufacturer several times a year. Average about 15 hours per tech per year. When I was working at an independent ":service station" garage the oil company provided training several times a year on different systems. I likely averaged 15 hours a year from SHell, Imperial, and Texaco over the years as well as seminars put on by publications like SSGM (Service Station and Garage Management) and from parts suppliers (like UAP/NAPA) and companies like Delco Remy, Neihoff and Echlin) just for starters - and that was when cars were "simple" mechanical dinasaurs Try running a dealership without it I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. In fact I do all the work on my car myself. Another sample of 1 And how many un-necessary parts does he install trying to solve a problem before he stumbles on the right fix? None, zero, not one, nada. Didn't when building the house either. And when I did the concrete slab, had the local council building inspector tell the local builders to have a look at mine before the concrete was poured because that is how it is supposed to be done. They didn't bother to use bar chairs, just pulled the mesh up with a long T handled thing with a hook on it once the concrete had been poured. The problem with that approach is that it doesn't guarantee that the mesh ends up in the right place vertically. |
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OT Why $7.50 is enough
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:17:00 +1100, "Fred" wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote: Oh, as in someone with training? Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area. How did they learn? By doing it, just like any decent mechanic does. Came to them in a dream? Nope. You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road. Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff. Yep, they learned in a dream on night. Nope, by doing it. Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault. Yes, one person. Plenty more than one person that even I know. It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. Yep, and that’s part of the reason its specialists that do most of the work. Exactly, people with some training. Still wrong, they don’t have formal training. they just specialise in it. Where did they learn it? By doing it. Bull****. My mechanic mate hasn’t had any. OK, a sample of 1 Very scientific. None of the others I know have either. If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. But those operations don’t go back to school to learn how to do it. They use the documentation that comes with it. WTF do you think that is? A form of training. Bull**** it is, just like it isnt with any appliance or the car you buy. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. And the best mechanics don’t need that. Try running a dealership without it I know one that has done just that. I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. In fact I do all the work on my car myself. Another sample of 1 Plenty of others do that too. And we wonder why "STEALERSHIPS" have such a bad reputation - particularly in the unregulated redneck states and why everyone in the USA seams to be continually bitching about "mechanics" - because they very seldom actually are dealing with a properly trained, educated, cerified and regulated "professional" mechanic. Even your "ASE Certified" designation is a bit of a sorry JOKE, by and large. ANd as for guys with no training working on their own cars - BOY, could I tell you some stories!!!!! I've scrutineered at National Street Rod meets -(and Historic Automobile Club meets) and some of the DANGEROUS and totally illegal, STUPID and SCARY stuff you run across. (I'm in southern Ontario - and we got a lot of cars from New York, Michigan, Pennsylvania and other states (even Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida, New Jersy - holy CRAP!! - and Washington State) come up for the CanNats and other big shows - and BY FAR the scariest stuff, was on American cars - some of them pretty fancy "high buck" "restorations" and "hot rods" A lot of them made the "road kill" shenanigans look professional - We sent several vehicles back to the US border on trailers. Told them "It goes on the trailer or the OPP will be notified and you do NOT want them impounding the car and charging you for the offenses" What they do when they get to the border is up to them - but they were NOT going to be on Ontario roads endagering themselves and everyone else on the road. The sad thing is MANY of these vehicles came from states with mandatory annual "safety inspections" performed by the very untrained service station operators you claim need no training, qualifications, or regulation!!!!! ANd travelling throughthe USA numerous times I've run across travellers who have had problems with their vehicles or rigs and have been to numerous shops attempting to solve their problems - and I've fixed them at the campground or on the side of the road in a few minutes because I KNEW what to look for - what would cause the problem - and it was SCARY what they had spent on things that didn't have a CHANCE of being the cause of the problem. A case in point was a little Winnebago LeSharo (Renault 4 cyl) who had spent over $1000 trying to solve a rough running and power loss problem - from Rhode Island to Florida to Arizona and back to Florida and Georgia - where we met when they stumbled into the camp-ground- on their way back to Rhode Island - and the whole problem was the new set of plugs they had installed before leaving home - and replaced with the same WRONG plugs and therefore ruled them out. (They had - the wrong- Bosch Platinums installed and the compression seals had failed in several of the plugs) - I put in the recommended AC Delco plugs and they were on their way - got a note from them when we (and they) got home saying it had NEVER run better - - - and the plugs were WAY less than half the cost of the Bosch plugs. Onthe way through Michigan on the way to the west coast, towing a trailer with a 3 liter Aerostar we developed a HUGE transmission leak while on the road. It didn't leak at all in neutral or idling in gear, but as soon as you stepped on the gas it just FUMPED fuel. We were towed to the closest ford dealer (Imlay City Ford) and I asked if they had a front pump seal in stock - they did - so I went to the service desk to see if and when they could replace it for me. They said they needed to rebuild the complete transmission - $2800 and 2 fays - and they didn't have the parts . I told them they had the seal and that was all it needed - they said they could get it in at 1PM - the mechanic said "That's a 7 hour job by the book" - and I told him I was sure he could do it in 4 - and I'd make sure he got time and a half if it took him past quitting time at 5:30. When he finished it at 5:28 and it didn't leak he was surprized!!!!! He didn't position two of the plug wires properly when he re-assembled it - which caused a problem that surfaced about 2 hours later - but that's another story !!!!! |
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"Clare Snyder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:17:00 +1100, "Fred" wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote: Oh, as in someone with training? Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area. How did they learn? By doing it, just like any decent mechanic does. Came to them in a dream? Nope. You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road. Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff. Yep, they learned in a dream on night. Nope, by doing it. Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault. Yes, one person. Plenty more than one person that even I know. It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. Yep, and that's part of the reason its specialists that do most of the work. Exactly, people with some training. Still wrong, they don't have formal training. they just specialise in it. Where did they learn it? By doing it. Bull****. My mechanic mate hasn't had any. OK, a sample of 1 Very scientific. None of the others I know have either. If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it. But those operations don't go back to school to learn how to do it. They use the documentation that comes with it. WTF do you think that is? A form of training. Bull**** it is, just like it isnt with any appliance or the car you buy. And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years of formal training before you can work as a mechanic. I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training for their certified mechanics. And the best mechanics don't need that. Try running a dealership without it I know one that has done just that. I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car. In fact I do all the work on my car myself. Another sample of 1 Plenty of others do that too. And we wonder why "STEALERSHIPS" have such a bad reputation - particularly in the unregulated redneck states and why everyone in the USA seams to be continually bitching about "mechanics" - because they very seldom actually are dealing with a properly trained, educated, cerified and regulated "professional" mechanic. Its no news that plenty of mechanics don't have a ****ing clue with more difficult faults, even the ones with 4 years of professional education. Even you must have noticed in your time in Africa that there are plenty of very decent mechanics that do fine without any formal education in mechanics at all. Even your "ASE Certified" designation is a bit of a sorry JOKE, by and large. So its silly to require that before you can work on cars. ANd as for guys with no training working on their own cars - BOY, could I tell you some stories!!!!! Its no news that most don't have any real capacity to even work out why their lawn mower isnt working!!!!! |
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 19:44:47 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread WTF are you doing in humans-only ngs, you subnormal senile trolling pest from Oz? -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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"Who or What is Rod Speed?"
Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard man" on the InterNet." https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ -- Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent: "Ah, the voice of scum speaks." MID: |
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On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote: On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote: OT Why $7.50 is enough https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html "Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from congressional Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15, pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at a restaurant as a €œkid€." Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South Dakota in 1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation rates €“ would amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars. But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6 or less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50. If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills. Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they try, will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at the grocery store, for example. Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are getting food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage. Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the streets. Cindy Hamilton Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a bottom. My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that bottom and accepting that every barrel has one. OK, you can go back to singing Kumbaya now... -- Conservatives believe what they see. Liberals see what they believe |
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On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote: On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote: On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote: OT Why $7.50 is enough https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html "Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from congressional Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15, pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at a restaurant as a €œkid€." Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South Dakota in 1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation rates €“ would amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars. But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6 or less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50. If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills. Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they try, will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at the grocery store, for example. Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are getting food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage. Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the streets. Cindy Hamilton Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a bottom. I know that. My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that bottom and accepting that every barrel has one. Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the barrel paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for Welfare. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2/27/21 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 2/26/21 9:51 AM, wrote: On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:43:15 AM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 2/26/21 9:27 AM, wrote: On 2/26/21 9:01 AM, micky wrote: OT Why $7.50 is enough https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1807595.html "Republican Senator John Thune has rejected an effort from congressional Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15, pointing to his $6 or less hourly wages that he earned working at a restaurant as a €œkid€." Thune graduated from Jones County High School in Murdo, South Dakota in 1979, when a $6 hourly wage €“ adjusted to modern inflation rates €“ would amount to roughly $23 in 2021 dollars. But he thinks, or he wants you to think, that if he got by on $6 or less, people 41 years later should get by on 7.50. If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum skills. Are you aware that there are people who, no matter how hard they try, will never have more than minimum skills? The retarded bagger at the grocery store, for example. Next you'll be bitching that those minimal-skills people are getting food stamps because they can't afford to live on minimum wage. Try not to trip as you step across their dead bodies in the streets. Cindy Hamilton Here's the thing Cindy: Every barrel has a top, a middle and a bottom. I know that. My guess is your rose-colored glasses prevent you from seeing that bottom and accepting that every barrel has one. Nope, I can accept that. But I'd rather see the bottom of the barrel paid enough for their labor to live on, rather than sucking at the public teat. Apparently you like to see your tax dollars pay for Welfare. Cindy Hamilton Let them eat cake... -- When did Western society decide that instead of helping mentally ill people, we should indulge their delusions 100% and allow them to set policy for the rest of us? |
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On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 5:59:47 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. Some won't touch them. Evidently you have not seen the complexity of these units and everything they control. It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception, connected services, modems, and more. He doesnt know because his vehicle that he uses to feed the kangaroos is a 1965 pickup. You don't need 4 years but you need more than the old days. Thats very arguable indeed given that there is very little to do on modern cars now, just change the oil, redo the brake pads etc as required, change the plugs etc. Even with fault finding, its much easier to do now with the OBD2 telling you which sensor has failed quite a bit of the time and no timing etc to do anymore. Makes no sense to require formal qualifications. Without some training and qualifications you probably won't get a job at a dealership aside from changing tires. Have you looked at some of the battery connectors? They are not like on your '72 Chevy any more. Where would you start looking for an error on the Automatic emergency braking system? or the Lane Keep assist. How about lining up the cameras after a windshield change? Some of the windshield companies will send you to the dealer for calibration after they change the glass. Do you know how to do it? Exactly. He thinks that because many times it's a simple sensor, that means you don't need any qualifications. Further, many times those simple sensors require considerable work and disassembly to get to, where if you don't know what you're doing, you could easily screw up. And many times the codes that show up, don't point to a specific sensor, an example is a lean code. Or take airbags for example. Having a code for the drivers airbag for example. I see people online immediately saying they need a new airbag, where to get one cheap, etc. But most times with that code it's not the airbag that's the problem. It takes some skills and smarts to know how to diagnose it and also what not to do to screw it up more or even set the airbag off and kill yourself. I remember taking a Pontiac that had an AC problem to a place that specializes in auto AC. They had the car for two days, told me they figured out it was a bad switch in the panel. When I drove away, the AC worked, but the check engine light was on. I didn't know what to do, figured they probably caused it, but would deny it, etc. I already had the service manual for the car, so I decided to check it out myself. Back then you could short two pins on the diagnostic connector and it would flash a code sequence on the instrument panel. The code indicated a problem with the coolant temp sensor. Seems unrelated, right? So I trace it down, there is no ground coming from the main engine computer to the sensor. That was very bad news. But fortunately the module was easy to open up, which I did. Didn't take long to fine a blown out circuit trace on the PC board. I bridged it with some solder, put it back together, problem solved. So, how did this happen? Obviously some incompetent hack trying to diagnose the AC was jumpering 12V here and there and blew it out. I was very fortunate to be able to diagnose and fix it. Imagine if I took it back, was the typical customer. You think they were going to admit what they did and pay for a $700 computer? The dope that did it may not even realize he did it, but you'd think he must have seen some spark when he tried to connect this to that. |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:59:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/26/2021 8:28 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote: Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD. That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars. And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university degrees didn't get them a "job" And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage car. I know people like that too.Â* Some could not change the radio on a new car though, an a lot of the other electronics. That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists. Some won't touch them. The specialists do. Oh, as in someone with training? You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road. I am not sure what trick is necessary to install a car entertainment system. Virtually any car made in this century is pre wired for it and DIN mount systems just snap in. You will need the right adapter harness to connect a 3d party system to the OEM harness but this pretty easy stuff. The "radio" (nav, mp3 player, cd/dvd or whatever) is a FRU. (Field Replaceable Unit) I doubt anyone actually fixes them these days, at least not as a business. You don't see a TV repair shop in every strip mall these days either. |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 23:51:48 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:47:26 -0500, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Sometimes the minimum skilled jobs are really necessary and should pay more. Take the garbage collection. Not much skill to drive the truck and pick up the cans. Bad example They could be making $40,000-$70,000 a year depending on where they are, plus bennies. It does all depend on where one lives. I would guess that in some cities of California or New York the 40 to 70 thousand may put one on the lower pay scale. Where I live that would be a very good paying job. The average wage is mostly under $ 18 per hour. What is difficult is that I guess many things cost the same in all parts of the country not counting the homes and taxes. It used to be that grocery stores around here hired people from 16 to 20 years old to stock the shelves and bag groceries. We even carried them to the cars and put them in the cars. Now there are some that just operate the cash registers and put the groceries in the bags. The fast food places hired the same age group for most of the jobs. Now those jobs are taken over by grown ups that are trying to make a living at it. From what they are saying if the wages go up very much the fast food places will soon go to a vending machine type operation. More jobs lost to automation. Minimum wage is $14.25 in Ontario and the fast food restaurants are still doing fine (barely surviving through COVID but not due to wage costs) A McDonalds "manager" makes about $32000 a year. Student minimum wage is $12.75? Average fast food worker pay is $15 an hour in Canada. (not enough) Tim Hortons starts at about $14.25. Dairy Queen pay's $15. Wendy's pays $15.73 for a "shift manager". That is a big part of the problem. Bumping up the minimum wage does not lift all boats. It just compresses the wage scale. If the raise from being a starting fryer cleaner, floor mopper to shift manager is only 73 cents it makes it hard to motivate your employees to get better and your turnover rate is horrendous. That "$32,000 a year manager" is probably exempt and works way more than 40 hours a week for a straight salary, not hourly, making his "$16 an hour" actually less than the floor mopper makes. |
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