In article , harry newton
wrote:


any idiot can see a $130 device is not equivalent to a $600 device.

I disagree.

Price is not an indication of quality. Price is an indication of demand.

i didn't say quality. as usual, you are also moving the goalposts and
wrong.



For example, I think the f stop rating for the iPhone 7 Plus is better than
the f stop rating for the LG Stylo 3 Plus - which would make the cameras
perform differently when in low-light conditions.

not necessarily.

this is one reason why your misguided comparison is completely bogus.
you don't understand what it is you're comparing.

In article , rbowman
wrote:

You have hit on it. Apple fans, including kids swayed by their peers or
Apple advertising, will accept nothing but Apple, regardless of the cost.

apple haters will continue hating, regardless of facts.

Certainly. That is a corollary of the first statement. I neither hate or
love Apple. However up to this point nobody has offered my money to
create software for an Apple product so I have little interest in them.

your statement is false on its face, which puts you in the hater
category.

people buy apple products because they best fits their needs, just like
anything else, and if their needs change, they will probably buy
something else. the price is competitive with similar products and more
than half of iphone owners are windows users.

rbowman wrote:
On 12/24/2017 09:08 PM, harry newton wrote:
With SHarepod freeware, you can copy anything from any iPod to any Windows
machine without ever needing a login or password or even storing a single
bit of the executable on Windows (it runs off the iPod as a Windows
executable stored on the iPod).

My main machine is Linux and my non-Apple MP3 players show up as mass
storage devices that I can copy files to. I got the Shuffle loaded and
that was that. I have no intention of ever trying to reload it.

So the Linux user "just gave up"...color me shocked!

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 12/24/2017 11:08 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:29:33 -0500:

These are meant to be second phones for the kids, which is why the
price-to-performance is a factor - since I want to get the best bang for
the buck.


Second phone?* I'd not give my kids a first phone let alone a second.
I did not buy them cars either.* They appreciate what they worked to get.

Kids learn a lot from their electronics though.

True, they learn who is boinking who through Facebook.

On 12/25/2017 09:27 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , rbowman
wrote:

You have hit on it. Apple fans, including kids swayed by their peers or
Apple advertising, will accept nothing but Apple, regardless of the cost.

apple haters will continue hating, regardless of facts.

Certainly. That is a corollary of the first statement. I neither hate or
love Apple. However up to this point nobody has offered my money to
create software for an Apple product so I have little interest in them.

your statement is false on its face, which puts you in the hater
category.

people buy apple products because they best fits their needs, just like
anything else, and if their needs change, they will probably buy
something else. the price is competitive with similar products and more
than half of iphone owners are windows users.


Okay, I'm a hater starting with you. May the horse you rode in on step
on your new iPhone X.

On 12/25/2017 09:49 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 12/24/2017 09:08 PM, harry newton wrote:
With SHarepod freeware, you can copy anything from any iPod to any Windows
machine without ever needing a login or password or even storing a single
bit of the executable on Windows (it runs off the iPod as a Windows
executable stored on the iPod).

My main machine is Linux and my non-Apple MP3 players show up as mass
storage devices that I can copy files to. I got the Shuffle loaded and
that was that. I have no intention of ever trying to reload it.

So the Linux user "just gave up"...color me shocked!


I managed to fill the iShuffle's 2GB with acceptable music. Why would I
ever revisit it rather than use one of my other MP3 players that have
much higher capacities? Anyway if I did, there are several applications:

https://www.wikihow.com/Manage-an-iPod-in-Linux

On 12/25/2017 08:57 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/24/2017 11:08 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:29:33 -0500:

These are meant to be second phones for the kids, which is why the
price-to-performance is a factor - since I want to get the best bang for
the buck.

Second phone? I'd not give my kids a first phone let alone a second.
I did not buy them cars either. They appreciate what they worked to get.

Kids learn a lot from their electronics though.

True, they learn who is boinking who through Facebook.

That's "boinking WHOM", you ignorant cretin!

--
Cheers, Bev
"Calling someone an asshole for being rude to a telemarketer
is like accusing someone who's shot a burglar in his home
of being a poor host." -- W.S.Rowell

In article , rbowman
wrote:

With SHarepod freeware, you can copy anything from any iPod to any Windows
machine without ever needing a login or password or even storing a single
bit of the executable on Windows (it runs off the iPod as a Windows
executable stored on the iPod).

My main machine is Linux and my non-Apple MP3 players show up as mass
storage devices that I can copy files to. I got the Shuffle loaded and
that was that. I have no intention of ever trying to reload it.

So the Linux user "just gave up"...color me shocked!

I managed to fill the iShuffle's 2GB with acceptable music. Why would I
ever revisit it rather than use one of my other MP3 players that have
much higher capacities?

many reasons, including smart playlists, regular playlists, arbitrary
groupings, automatic syncing so you don't need to manage everything
yourself as well as many other things.

itunes is one of the most popular apps on *windows* because of all of
the functionality it offers, and unlike a mac, it's *not* bundled, so
windows users have to actually go download and install it themselves.

On 12/25/2017 12:42 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 12/25/2017 08:57 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/24/2017 11:08 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:29:33 -0500:

These are meant to be second phones for the kids, which is why the
price-to-performance is a factor - since I want to get the best
bang for
the buck.

Second phone?* I'd not give my kids a first phone let alone a second.
I did not buy them cars either.* They appreciate what they worked to
get.

Kids learn a lot from their electronics though.

True, they learn who is boinking who through Facebook.

That's "boinking WHOM", you ignorant cretin!


Inglish makes my brane hert.

On 12/25/2017 11:02 AM, nospam wrote:
many reasons, including smart playlists, regular playlists, arbitrary
groupings, automatic syncing so you don't need to manage everything
yourself as well as many other things.

I do fine with random play, thank you. I don't need the 'walking the
dog' or 'taking out the garbage' play list. If someone like the iTunes
interface, more power to them. I found it clumsy and since I don't
purchase music through iTunes that isn't a factor. Syncing a Shuffle is
of little use since the thing if completely full with its limited
storage. It is handy in the gym where I can clip it on my t-shirt and
that's it's sole function in my life.

Other than straight MP3 players I use the Kindle Fire. Between the Prime
selections and the music I buy through Amazon it provides all of the above.

In article , rbowman
wrote:

many reasons, including smart playlists, regular playlists, arbitrary
groupings, automatic syncing so you don't need to manage everything
yourself as well as many other things.

I do fine with random play, thank you.

it does that too.

I don't need the 'walking the
dog' or 'taking out the garbage' play list. If someone like the iTunes
interface, more power to them. I found it clumsy and since I don't
purchase music through iTunes that isn't a factor.

there is no requirement to purchase music with itunes. you can use your
own music, from whatever source, even pirated music.

in fact, you can gain amnesty for pirated music using itunes match,
where it will give you legal non-drm 256kbit versions for whatever you
already have, regardless of its source or quality (although if it's
*really* ****ty quality, the matching won't work).

Syncing a Shuffle is
of little use since the thing if completely full with its limited
storage.

actually syncing a shuffle is very useful *because* it's limited.
otherwise, you could put everything on it.

sync whatever you want to hear, which can even be automated simply by
plugging the shuffle into the computer.

It is handy in the gym where I can clip it on my t-shirt and
that's it's sole function in my life.

exercising is one of the main use cases for a shuffle, where people
won't want to (or can't) fuss with choosing music on a display. it's
also small and won't get in the way.

different tools for different jobs.

Other than straight MP3 players I use the Kindle Fire. Between the Prime
selections and the music I buy through Amazon it provides all of the above.

ok.

He who is nospam said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:27:45 -0500:

any idiot can see a $130 device is not equivalent to a $600 device.

I disagree.

Price is not an indication of quality. Price is an indication of demand.

i didn't say quality. as usual, you are also moving the goalposts and
wrong.

You said a "$130 device is not equivalent to a $600 device", which is dead
wrong in that the device can be equivalent since price and equivalency are
not directly related.

For example, the news stated that the company that makes Viagra is selling
the generic pill for something like half the branded pill.

Exact same pill (save for the color) - but two different prices.

Very often stores sell a store-branded drug that is the exact same as the
branded drug (made by the same company often) and yet, the price can be
twice for the branded item and half that for the non-branded exact same
item.

You can put a Gucci stamp on a plastic handbag and you can sell it at twice
the price of a better made handbag sometimes - becuase price is based on
demand.

Apple MARKETING, one of the best in the world, spends *ALL* its time on
increasing demand for their products. They don't spend their time making a
better product (that's not their job anyway) - they spend all their time on
increasing demand.

For example, I think the f stop rating for the iPhone 7 Plus is better than
the f stop rating for the LG Stylo 3 Plus - which would make the cameras
perform differently when in low-light conditions.

not necessarily.

this is one reason why your misguided comparison is completely bogus.
you don't understand what it is you're comparing.

What matters, and you know I've said this many times, is how the camera
performs in a host of tests that matter - where I will defer to the DXoMark
test results, where Apple phones generally perform well - and usually in
the bottom of the top ten of all Android phones.

I will defer to the DXoMark results for a comparison of the camera output
of these two phones, but I would hope, at a 5X cost, that the Apple device
camera performs better, even when it has fewer rear-facing pixels - due to,
let's hope, a better lens or other hardware reasons.

He who is The Real Bev said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 22:17:44 -0800:

You should have put a lump of coal in the bottom of each one just in
case! Merry Christmas!

I don't think I've seen a lump of coal in decades!
Merry Christmas!

He who is rbowman said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 23:46:47 -0700:

On 12/24/2017 09:08 PM, harry newton wrote:
With SHarepod freeware, you can copy anything from any iPod to any Windows
machine without ever needing a login or password or even storing a single
bit of the executable on Windows (it runs off the iPod as a Windows
executable stored on the iPod).

My main machine is Linux and my non-Apple MP3 players show up as mass
storage devices that I can copy files to. I got the Shuffle loaded and
that was that. I have no intention of ever trying to reload it.

I also have Ubuntu 16.04, where, thankfully, the iTunes abomination won't
run natively.

The problem I have with Linux is that Apple never tests their software in
the real world, saying that it's "not supported", so they break
connectivity for millions of users even when going from something as minor
as iOS version 7.0.0 to iOS 7.0.1.

Apple doesn't care about the real world.

He who is nospam said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 13:02:12 -0500:

itunes is one of the most popular apps on *windows* because of all of
the functionality it offers, and unlike a mac, it's *not* bundled, so
windows users have to actually go download and install it themselves.

The main problem with iTunes bloatware is that it's *restrictive*.
It won't let you copy any mP3 song from any iPod to anywhere else.

Luckily a 100KByte older SharePod executable on the iPod solves that.

He who is rbowman said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:32:37 -0700:

I don't need the 'walking the
dog' or 'taking out the garbage' play list.

A play list is just a text file.
The free SharePod does playlists just fine.

In fact, every music management program I've ever used has play lists.
There's nothing special for play lists in iTunes bloatware.

He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 13:47:57 -0500:

That's "boinking WHOM", you ignorant cretin!


Inglish makes my brane hert.

Whenever I see someone type "who" for "whom", it hurts my eyes.

The funny thing is that everyone already knows how to use who and whom
correctly since it follows the same rules as does he and him, she and her,
they and them, etc.

All personal pronouns follow the same rules.

So all you have to do is remember "him goes with whom" (and that "he goes
with him").

Pop Quiz!
Which sentence is correct?
a. True, they learn he is boinking he through Facebook.
b. True, they learn him is boinking he through Facebook.
c. True, they learn he is boinking him through Facebook.

On 12/25/2017 02:07 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 13:47:57 -0500:

That's "boinking WHOM", you ignorant cretin!


Inglish makes my brane hert.

Whenever I see someone type "who" for "whom", it hurts my eyes.

The funny thing is that everyone already knows how to use who and whom
correctly since it follows the same rules as does he and him, she and her,
they and them, etc.

All personal pronouns follow the same rules.

So all you have to do is remember "him goes with whom" (and that "he goes
with him").

Pop Quiz!
Which sentence is correct?
a. True, they learn he is boinking he through Facebook.
b. True, they learn him is boinking he through Facebook.
c. True, they learn he is boinking him through Facebook.

BUT people who grew up in certain areas, or whose parents did, will in
certain circumstances use constructions like "Him and John went to the
movies" even though they are college-educated and NOT stupid; they just
can't break the habit even though they KNOW better.

Our friend, whose parents were from OK, asked us to tell him whenever he
did it. We finally gave up. 65-year habits are hard to break without a
more compelling reason than the vague desire to be more grammatical.

--
Cheers, Bev
It's 95% of the lawyers making the other 5% look bad.

In article , harry newton
wrote:


any idiot can see a $130 device is not equivalent to a $600 device.

I disagree.

Price is not an indication of quality. Price is an indication of demand.

i didn't say quality. as usual, you are also moving the goalposts and
wrong.

You said a "$130 device is not equivalent to a $600 device", which is dead
wrong in that the device can be equivalent since price and equivalency are
not directly related.

nonsense.

For example, the news stated that the company that makes Viagra is selling
the generic pill for something like half the branded pill.

irrelevant.

your $130 phone is not a 'generic iphone' without apple branding.

you truly are an idiot.


For example, I think the f stop rating for the iPhone 7 Plus is better than
the f stop rating for the LG Stylo 3 Plus - which would make the cameras
perform differently when in low-light conditions.

not necessarily.

this is one reason why your misguided comparison is completely bogus.
you don't understand what it is you're comparing.

What matters, and you know I've said this many times, is how the camera
performs in a host of tests that matter - where I will defer to the DXoMark
test results, where Apple phones generally perform well - and usually in
the bottom of the top ten of all Android phones.

and i've said many times, dxo reviews can be bought and their scores
are considered to be meaningless by many people (check dpreview for
specifics).

a bigger problem is that they claim things that are physically and
mathematically impossible with the underlying hardware, such as a
higher dynamic range than the sensor and a/d can actually do (several
nikon slrs).

those who understand the technology and use various cameras (not just
cellphone cameras) can see just what a joke dxo actually is.

the fact you cling to it shows just how ignorant you are.

In article , harry newton
wrote:

A play list is just a text file.

no it isn't

In article , harry newton
wrote:


itunes is one of the most popular apps on *windows* because of all of
the functionality it offers, and unlike a mac, it's *not* bundled, so
windows users have to actually go download and install it themselves.

The main problem with iTunes bloatware is that it's *restrictive*.
It won't let you copy any mP3 song from any iPod to anywhere else.

no, that's not the main problem. in fact, that isn't even a problem at
all.

you need to stop talking about things you don't understand.

He who is The Real Bev said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 14:42:17 -0800:

a. True, they learn he is boinking he through Facebook.
b. True, they learn him is boinking he through Facebook.
c. True, they learn he is boinking him through Facebook.

BUT people who grew up in certain areas, or whose parents did, will in
certain circumstances use constructions like "Him and John went to the
movies" even though they are college-educated and NOT stupid; they just
can't break the habit even though they KNOW better.

Our friend, whose parents were from OK, asked us to tell him whenever he
did it. We finally gave up. 65-year habits are hard to break without a
more compelling reason than the vague desire to be more grammatical.

We all make typos and speakos - and we even make thinkos.

But if it happens all the time - then it's just stupidity since nobody is
ever taught in their grade school English class to use personal pronouns
incorrectly.

Pop Quiz:
a. "Him and him went to the movies"
a. "Him and he went to the movies"
a. "He and he went to the movies"

My point is that the beauty of personal prounouns is that we already know
how to use them. I do understand your point though, which is sometimes we
don't know how to use them.

For example, when someone asks if it's you on the phone, you respond:
a. "This is I"
b. "This is he"
c. "This is him"

Even I have to think twice to get that right. Do you?

He who is nospam said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:48:18 -0500:

the fact you cling to it shows just how ignorant you are.

I take that comment as rather humorous, given your posting history.

In article , harry newton
wrote:


the fact you cling to it shows just how ignorant you are.

I take that comment as rather humorous, given your posting history.

what's humorous is you once again, snip everything to alter context.

it's what you do when shown to be wrong.

He who is nospam said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 18:09:32 -0500:

it's what you do when shown to be wrong.

Heh heh heh ...

On 12/25/2017 02:46 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is The Real Bev said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 22:17:44 -0800:

You should have put a lump of coal in the bottom of each one just in
case! Merry Christmas!

I don't think I've seen a lump of coal in decades!
Merry Christmas!

Consider yourself lucky. You haven't lived until you've spent 5 minutes
waiting for a coal train to go by before you can get where you're going.

On 12/25/2017 02:46 PM, harry newton wrote:
Apple doesn't care about the real world.

Sure they do. That's why they built in the limp home CPU setting for
when your irreplaceable battery is shot. Irreplaceable is probably the
wrong word for 'we made damn sure the user can't replace the battery.'

On 12/25/2017 03:07 PM, harry newton wrote:
So all you have to do is remember "him goes with whom" (and that "he goes
with him").

Let's not get into non-traditional gender dating here.

On 12/25/2017 03:53 PM, harry newton wrote:
My point is that the beauty of personal prounouns is that we already know
how to use them. I do understand your point though, which is sometimes we
don't know how to use them.
For example, when someone asks if it's you on the phone, you respond:
a. "This is I"
b. "This is he"
c. "This is him"

Even I have to think twice to get that right. Do you?

Proper response: "whaddya want to know for?"

In article , rbowman
wrote:


Sure they do. That's why they built in the limp home CPU setting for
when your irreplaceable battery is shot.

more ignorance. it doesn't 'limp home'.

performance *peaks* are limited, not the overall speed, something which
most people won't notice in normal use and is much better than the
sudden shutdowns that had been occurring.

it is also something that affects android phones and other devices
because it's due to battery chemistry.

Irreplaceable is probably the
wrong word for 'we made damn sure the user can't replace the battery.'

except that apple didn't do that at all, so irreplaceable is definitely
the wrong word.

all it takes is a screwdriver for those who want to do it themselves,
or many repair shops will be happy to replace it for those who don't.

numerous android phones as well as many other products have internal
batteries because it makes for a smaller and more reliable device.

some of those *other* products actually *do* have irreplaceable
batteries, such as -

the android essential phone, from andy rubin, the creator of android
itself:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/05/essential-phone-teardown/
The Essential PH-1 (aka Essential Phone) is designed to withstand
dents and scratches, but what happens if something breaks on the
inside? You can forget about fixing it yourself, apparently. The DIY
repair crew at iFixit has torn down Essential's handset, and it's
obvious that you're not meant to poke around inside. For one thing,
iFixit had to freeze the phone (and break the LCD) just to get inside
-- and even then, it still had to get past a mid-frame shield. The
USB-C port is soldered on to motherboard, and the abundance of
adhesives makes it likely that you'll break something if you somehow
didn't wreck the screen going in.

microsoft surface laptop:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/17/1...face-teardown-
ifixit-impossible-repair
There¹s no screws holding the case together, so the technicians were
forced to try and pry apart the Alcantara fabric, noting that it was
difficult to do without tearing it. Underneath, the individual
components are also difficult to remove: the keyboard is glued down,
and the motherboard is covered with a series of thermal pads. The
team also reports that they can¹t disconnect the battery until
several other components are removed, and once they get to it, they
found that it¹s glued directly to the case.
....
Their verdict? ³It¹s a glue-filled monstrosity. There is nothing
about it that is upgradable or long-lasting, and it literally can¹t
be opened without destroying it.²

google partnered with ubreakifix for battery replacements for the
pixel, which costs the same as what apple charges, $79:
https://www.ubreakifix.com/google-re...repair/google-
pixel-xl-battery-replacement
https://www.ubreakifix.com/google-re...l-repair/googl
e-pixel-2-xl-battery-replacement

On 12/25/2017 5:07 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 13:47:57 -0500:

That's "boinking WHOM", you ignorant cretin!


Inglish makes my brane hert.

Whenever I see someone type "who" for "whom", it hurts my eyes.

The funny thing is that everyone already knows how to use who and whom
correctly since it follows the same rules as does he and him, she and her,
they and them, etc.

All personal pronouns follow the same rules.

So all you have to do is remember "him goes with whom" (and that "he goes
with him").

Pop Quiz!
Which sentence is correct?

c. True, they learn he is boinking him through Facebook.

My grammar and punctuation are usually excellent but I must have been
out the day the good nuns taught "whom". It is just one of this things
that does not stick with me and, it seems, many do not know when "who"
is incorrectly used. But it can be understood by tough thorough
thought, though.

He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 20:08:34 -0500:

My grammar and punctuation are usually excellent but I must have been
out the day the good nuns taught "whom". It is just one of this things
that does not stick with me and, it seems, many do not know when "who"
is incorrectly used. But it can be understood by tough thorough
thought, though.

It's ok. We all have typos, speakos, thinkos, etc.

The easiest way to remember when to use "whom" is to substitute "him" in
the sentence. Him goes with whom.

For example:
a. For x the bell tolls - the bell tolls for (he/him).
Since it's "him", it becomes: For whom the bell tolls.

c. X is on the phone? - He/him is on the phone.
Since it's "he", it becomes: Who is on the phone?

a. X is the phone for? - The phone is for (he/him).
Since it's "him", it becomes: Whom is the phone for?

It's easy because all personal pronouns follow the same rules.
So you just substitute a personal pronoun whose rule you already know.

When you use him or her, then it gets whom.
When you use he or she, then it gets who.

Simple. It's like how you know how tight to tighten a bolt without a torque
wrench. You just get a feel for it over time. Or how you remember which way
to turn a bolt when you're upside down under the engine. You get a feel for
it over time. It just takes practice.

He who is nospam said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 19:44:18 -0500:

Sure they do. That's why they built in the limp home CPU setting for
when your irreplaceable battery is shot.

performance *peaks* are limited, not the overall speed, something which
most people won't notice in normal use and is much better than the
sudden shutdowns that had been occurring.

Um, nospam.
It's funny you Apple Apologists even deny what Apple already *admitted*.

Have you again *ignored* the permanent and drastic CPU slowdown readings
that users are reporting from the reddit post using the CPU Dasher X app?

The secret CPU slowdowns are permanent (per configuration), and drastic!
https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_slow_try_replacing_your_battery/

it is also something that affects android phones and other devices
because it's due to battery chemistry.

Um. No again. If you were in high school, your score of flipping a coin
would earn you an "F" overall on your accuracy of answers.

Zero Android manufacturer has been reported to be secretly, permanently,
and drastically slowing down CPU performance merely on the basis of
upgrading to the latest operating system.

It's funny you Apple Apologists even deny what Apple already *admitted*.

He who is rbowman said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:01:23 -0700:

Apple doesn't care about the real world.

Sure they do. That's why they built in the limp home CPU setting for
when your irreplaceable battery is shot. Irreplaceable is probably the
wrong word for 'we made damn sure the user can't replace the battery.'

What I meant was that Linux is in the real world and yet Apple doesn't
"support" Linux, nor do they even *test* their devices in the real world.

That's why connectivity broke with Linux when iOS users upgraded iOS from
something as minor as iOS 7.0.0 to 7.0.1 (ask me how I know).

Apple only tests inside the walled garden, where almost all the critical
vulnerabilities were because they released insecure software. What's funny
is that *many* of the iOS releases are highly insecure, and Apple knows
that it's insecure at the time they release it (e.g., iOS 10.x with the
broadcom bugs where Apple had the fix in hand and *still* released an
highly insecure release).

When you wonder why, you find out that Apple users are very happy just to
have release after release after release after release after release. It
makes them *feel* safe even though some of them Apple has to destroy,
they're that insecure!

In article , harry newton
wrote:

That's why connectivity broke with Linux when iOS users upgraded iOS from
something as minor as iOS 7.0.0 to 7.0.1 (ask me how I know).

no, that's not why.

connectivity broke because the driver was *not* written by apple, but
instead written by a third party, who didn't do a very good job and was
unable to test with an unreleased product, as is common with linux.

On 12/25/2017 05:44 PM, nospam wrote:
performance *peaks* are limited, not the overall speed, something which
most people won't notice in normal use and is much better than the
sudden shutdowns that had been occurring.

Yeah, sudden shutdowns in an expensive phone aren't good.Unfortunately
people did notice the slowdown in normal use or this wouldn't even be
being discussed. Nor would there be a class action suit in the making:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/22/...one-slowdowns/


all it takes is a screwdriver for those who want to do it themselves,
or many repair shops will be happy to replace it for those who don't.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+X+Teardown/98975

This site does a tear down when a new Apple phone comes out. They don't
guarantee you can put it back together. This iteration has both
pentalobe and tripoint screws, just what everybody has laying around.
Fortunately there is a cottage industry that has grown up around
supplying drivers for the weird fasteners Apple keeps inventing. And
don't expect to replace the rear glass.

Of course the Galaxy isn't any better:

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Sams...Teardown/87086

It takes a serious set of balls to chisel your way into a smartphone to
replace the battery. I'll stick with my flip phone, thank you.

On 12/25/2017 05:08 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/25/2017 5:07 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 13:47:57 -0500:

That's "boinking WHOM", you ignorant cretin!


Inglish makes my brane hert.

Whenever I see someone type "who" for "whom", it hurts my eyes.

The funny thing is that everyone already knows how to use who and whom
correctly since it follows the same rules as does he and him, she and her,
they and them, etc.

All personal pronouns follow the same rules.

So all you have to do is remember "him goes with whom" (and that "he goes
with him").

Pop Quiz!
Which sentence is correct?

c. True, they learn he is boinking him through Facebook.

My grammar and punctuation are usually excellent but I must have been
out the day the good nuns taught "whom". It is just one of this things
that does not stick with me and, it seems, many do not know when "who"
is incorrectly used. But it can be understood by tough thorough
thought, though.

I didn't know about Official Grammar Stuff until I took a foreign
language in high school; until then I made it up (correctly, as it
turned out) as I went along :-)

--
Cheers, Bev
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

On Monday, December 25, 2017 at 11:09:00 PM UTC-5, harry newton wrote:
He who is nospam said on Mon, 25 Dec 2017 19:44:18 -0500:

Sure they do. That's why they built in the limp home CPU setting for
when your irreplaceable battery is shot.

performance *peaks* are limited, not the overall speed, something which
most people won't notice in normal use and is much better than the
sudden shutdowns that had been occurring.

Um, nospam.
It's funny you Apple Apologists even deny what Apple already *admitted*.

Have you again *ignored* the permanent and drastic CPU slowdown readings
that users are reporting from the reddit post using the CPU Dasher X app?

The secret CPU slowdowns are permanent (per configuration), and drastic!
https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_slow_try_replacing_your_battery/

it is also something that affects android phones and other devices
because it's due to battery chemistry.

Um. No again. If you were in high school, your score of flipping a coin
would earn you an "F" overall on your accuracy of answers.

Zero Android manufacturer has been reported to be secretly, permanently,
and drastically slowing down CPU performance merely on the basis of
upgrading to the latest operating system.

It's funny you Apple Apologists even deny what Apple already *admitted*.

Correct on all of the above.

In article , JF Mezei
wrote:


So those slowdowns have been happening for over a year, yet, it has on;y
NOW surfaced because someone did a test. So it seems to me like people
didn't quite notice.

exactly.

On Tuesday, December 26, 2017 at 12:53:07 AM UTC-5, JF Mezei wrote:
On 2017-12-25 23:08, harry newton wrote:

Have you again *ignored* the permanent and drastic CPU slowdown readings
that users are reporting from the reddit post using the CPU Dasher X app?

Until you provide evidence that thsi is "permanent", please stop using
that word. You've been asked to provide evidence and you haven't.

If you want to have intelligent conversation, please stop using
exagerations and be factual.

You're right, it may not be permanent. After a huge black eye and a class action suit, Apple will probably cave and undo it. I lost all respect for Apple after that skunk Cook sided with terrorists and refused to help the FBI unlock the San Bernardino terrorists phone. It's a mystery to me why any decent American would buy anything from apple after that.