I just picked up a couple of $130 Costco LG Stylo 3 Plus phones as
last-minute stocking stuffers, where I ran the following hardware-only
comparison below.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/24/stylophones.jpg

I try to always only speak valid verifiable fact on Usenet.

Did I do a fair hardware comparison below of the two stocking stuffers?
If not, what hardware spec comparison did I miss?

(NOTE: It's not fair to iOS to perform an app functionality comparison
because there are scores of app functionalities on Android all by its itty
bitty self not on iOS and none on iOS not already on Android - so this is
only about the hardware comparison because all iOS devices lose in an
app-functionality comparison to almost any Android phone).

*HARDWARE COMPARISON OF STOCKING SUFFERS: iPhone 7 Plus vs Stylo 3 Plus:*
Price: The Stylo was $130; while the iPhone is ~$670 (~five times more!)
CPU: The Stylo has 8 cores; while the iPhone has only 4
CPU top speed: iPhone is 2.34GHz for 2 cores; Stylo is 1.4GHz for 4 cores
CPU lower speed: iPhone is 1.1GHz for 2 cores; Stylo is 1.1GHz for 4 cores
Storage: Both are 32GB
Expandable: Stylo expands to 2TB; iPhone is missing this functionality
Screen size: Stylo is 5.7 inches; iPhone is 5.5 inches
Display type: Both are IPS LCD
Pixel density: iPhone is 401ppi; Stylo is 386ppi
Screen resolution: both are the same at full HD 1080x1920 pixels
Main camera: Stylo rear camera is 13MP, while the iPhone 7 is 12MP
Selfie camera: iPhone is 7MP with flash; Stylo is 5MP with flash
Video: both are the same full HD at 1920x1080pixels at 30fps
Wi-Fi: both are the same at 802.11 everything up to ac, dual band
VoLTE: both are the same
NFC: both have NFC
Sensors: both have the same stuff
Bands: both have what is needed for the T-Mobile carrier we often use
Bluetooth: both are the same spec at version 4.2
Battery ease: Stylo is removable; while the iPhone 7 is not
Battery capacity: Stylo is 3080mAh, while the iPhone 7 is 2900mAh but no
RAM: iPhone 7 is 3GB while the Stylo is 2GB
Fingerprint sensor: iPhone 7 is on front; Stylo is on the back
SIM: Both are single nano SIM
Network: Both seem to support the same networks
Stylus: Stylo has a stylus; iPhone 7 is missing this functionality
FM Radio: Stylo has an FM radio; iPhone 7 is missing this functionality
Headphone: Stylo has a courageous jack; iPhone 7 is lost functionality
Wordsize: Both are 64-bit

The specs seems similar but the price is a whopping 5X difference.
Did I miss an important hardware spec to compare the two phablets?

As stocking stuffers...
Q: Which do you think, based on hardware, has better priceerformance?

REFERENCES:
https://www.gadgetsnow.com/compare-mobile-phones/LG-Stylo-3-Plus-vs-Apple-iPhone-7-Plus
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-Stylo-3-Plus,Apple-iPhone-7-Plus/phones/10534%2C9816
http://membershipwireless.com/50699/apple-iphone-7-plus-black-32gb/activationtype/new
http://membershipwireless.com/52734/stylo-3-plus/activationtype/new

In article , harry newton
wrote:


Did I do a fair hardware comparison below of the two stocking stuffers?

no, but you aren't interested in fair anything. you hate apple, so get
the android phone.

unless of course, you just want to troll.

He who is nospam said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:19:35 -0500:

Did I do a fair hardware comparison below of the two stocking stuffers?

no, but you aren't interested in fair anything. you hate apple, so get
the android phone.

As you know, I own and have bought plenty of Apple and Android devices.
They each have their strengths and weaknesses.

And, as you well know, I very often give iPhones and iPads as gifts.\
For gifts, what matters is what the kids want, and how much that costs.

When giving stocking stuffers, the fundamental price-to-performance ratio
is a key factor - because you want the most bang for your buck.

For your own personal phone, as I did with mine, I bought the best there
was at the time it was made, and I've been happy ever since.

But for a stocking stuffer - you care more about price-to-performance.
Hence why I ran the hardware comparison (I know the software already).

This is my first "phablet" as a gift, where I figured I'd put a few in the
stockings as a last-minute gift - so I didn't spend a lot of time on the
hardware comparison.

I'm thinking of picking up a few more of these phablets, but some of the
kids I'll be giving them to may want Apple devices, so that's why I ran the
hardware comparison just now.

What is missing or incorrect about the hardware comparison given already?

On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 1:27:16 PM UTC-5, harry newton wrote:
He who is nospam said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:19:35 -0500:

Did I do a fair hardware comparison below of the two stocking stuffers?

no, but you aren't interested in fair anything. you hate apple, so get
the android phone.

As you know, I own and have bought plenty of Apple and Android devices.
They each have their strengths and weaknesses.

And, as you well know, I very often give iPhones and iPads as gifts.\
For gifts, what matters is what the kids want, and how much that costs.

When giving stocking stuffers, the fundamental price-to-performance ratio
is a key factor - because you want the most bang for your buck.

MAybe we have different definitions of stocking stuffer. To me that means
some low cost or moderate cost items that anyone can use. A cell phone,
especially for the younger folks, would seem to be a poor choice. First,
they all have them already. Second, it's a status symbol kind of thing
and they want what they want. If they want an iPhone, they probably aren't going
to be happy with a $130 LG. You need to make sure that whatever carrier
they have will accept that phone because people don't want to or can't
switch. Many, especially the majors, have a
short list of what they will accept. Sprint for example was a bunch of
iphones and a few motorolla G phones.

If I was going to give a cell phone as a gift, I'd be sure to know exactly
what the requirements are for the person receiving it.

He who is trader_4 said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 10:40:56 -0800 (PST):

MAybe we have different definitions of stocking stuffer. To me that means
some low cost or moderate cost items that anyone can use. A cell phone,
especially for the younger folks, would seem to be a poor choice. First,
they all have them already.

These are meant to be second phones for the kids, which is why the
price-to-performance is a factor - since I want to get the best bang for
the buck.

Second, it's a status symbol kind of thing
and they want what they want. If they want an iPhone, they probably aren't going
to be happy with a $130 LG. You need to make sure that whatever carrier
they have will accept that phone because people don't want to or can't
switch.

I've had all three main US carriers (yes, I know there are 4) where I've
pretty much talked most of the Silicon Valley based extended family into
using T-Mobile - so for these phones - it's the T-Mobile carrier so the
phone is technically a LG-TP450 (which is the T-Mobile variant at Costco).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/24/stylo3plus.jpg

Many, especially the majors, have a
short list of what they will accept. Sprint for example was a bunch of
iphones and a few motorolla G phones.

I can put the T-Mobile SIM card into almost any GSM phone and it just
works. In this hardware comparison, it seems that the GSM part of the
hardware specs is the same for both phablets being compared.

If I was going to give a cell phone as a gift, I'd be sure to know exactly
what the requirements are for the person receiving it.

I have plenty of iOS & Android devices, I've received plenty of both as
gifts, and I've given plenty as gifts. It's a thing with our family. Here,
for example, is a collection sitting in my office right now at this very
moment where you see iPads with iPhones with Android phablets.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/24/devices.jpg

Since I have both Android & iOS devices, but since I have never bought a
phablet before and since I may buy a few more today, I wanted to double
check with all of you for a fair hardware comparison between the iPhone 7
Plus & Stylo 3 Plus.

What did you think of the hardware comparison?
Did I get anything wrong or miss a key hardware-comparison factor?

On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 2:53:15 PM UTC-5, harry newton wrote:
He who is trader_4 said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 10:40:56 -0800 (PST):

MAybe we have different definitions of stocking stuffer. To me that means
some low cost or moderate cost items that anyone can use. A cell phone,
especially for the younger folks, would seem to be a poor choice. First,
they all have them already.

These are meant to be second phones for the kids, which is why the
price-to-performance is a factor - since I want to get the best bang for
the buck.


That concept does not compute, at least for me.





Second, it's a status symbol kind of thing
and they want what they want. If they want an iPhone, they probably aren't going
to be happy with a $130 LG. You need to make sure that whatever carrier
they have will accept that phone because people don't want to or can't
switch.

I've had all three main US carriers (yes, I know there are 4) where I've
pretty much talked most of the Silicon Valley based extended family into
using T-Mobile - so for these phones - it's the T-Mobile carrier so the
phone is technically a LG-TP450 (which is the T-Mobile variant at Costco)..



I just switched to t-mobile myself. Way better than sprint here in my area of NJ. Actually I'm with Mint Sim, which is the sub whore of a whore. T-mobile is the carrier, ultra is the sub wholesaler, Mint is owned by Ultra. They have 3 levels of service, 2,5,or 10gb of data. If you prepay for a year, it's $15, $20, or $25 a month. Through end of year, they have a deal where you get 6 months for the price of 3, so its costing me $12.50 a month for the first 6 months on the 10gb plan. They also have a $5 trial, 100 mins, 100 text, 100 mb data. They send you two sims, if you like it, you can get a regular plan and activate the second Sim. It's blazing fast, I get 76 mbits down at home.




http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/24/stylo3plus.jpg

Many, especially the majors, have a
short list of what they will accept. Sprint for example was a bunch of
iphones and a few motorolla G phones.

I can put the T-Mobile SIM card into almost any GSM phone and it just
works.

It won't work in a locked phone from another carrier. And it won't work in a boost mobile/sprint phone, even though the hardware supports GSM and the phone is unlocked,because the firmware for GSM is disabled.



In this hardware comparison, it seems that the GSM part of the
hardware specs is the same for both phablets being compared.

If I was going to give a cell phone as a gift, I'd be sure to know exactly
what the requirements are for the person receiving it.

I have plenty of iOS & Android devices, I've received plenty of both as
gifts, and I've given plenty as gifts. It's a thing with our family. Here,
for example, is a collection sitting in my office right now at this very
moment where you see iPads with iPhones with Android phablets.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/24/devices.jpg

Since I have both Android & iOS devices, but since I have never bought a
phablet before and since I may buy a few more today, I wanted to double
check with all of you for a fair hardware comparison between the iPhone 7
Plus & Stylo 3 Plus.


I was looking at the stylo before I decided on the ZTE. This has a 6" screen, 4000mah battery and I love it.




What did you think of the hardware comparison?
Did I get anything wrong or miss a key hardware-comparison factor?

Fast charging on the Lg? Charging time? And to really compare the cpu performance you need benchmarks.

On 12/24/2017 2:53 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is trader_4 said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 10:40:56 -0800 (PST):

MAybe we have different definitions of stocking stuffer.* To me that
means
some low cost or moderate cost items that anyone can use.* A cell phone,
especially for the younger folks, would seem to be a poor choice.* First,
they all have them already.

These are meant to be second phones for the kids, which is why the
price-to-performance is a factor - since I want to get the best bang for
the buck.


Second phone? I'd not give my kids a first phone let alone a second. I
did not buy them cars either. They appreciate what they worked to get.

Is the 'stylus' special, or just the ordinary one with the rubber tip
that you can get in a variety of colors at the 99-Cents-Only store?
They work really nicely for clumsy people with fat fingers.

--
Cheers, Bev
It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.

On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 1:45:30 PM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:
Is the 'stylus' special, or just the ordinary one with the rubber tip
that you can get in a variety of colors at the 99-Cents-Only store?
They work really nicely for clumsy people with fat fingers.

--
Cheers, Bev
It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.

I think the screens are capacitive responsive and the stylus is designed
to work with it. You can buy them, I've heard of people making them, but AFAIK,
in general you can't just use any stick, pointer, etc.

He who is trader_4 said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 10:52:30 -0800 (PST):

Is the 'stylus' special, or just the ordinary one with the rubber tip
that you can get in a variety of colors at the 99-Cents-Only store?
They work really nicely for clumsy people with fat fingers.

--
Cheers, Bev
It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.

I think the screens are capacitive responsive and the stylus is designed
to work with it. You can buy them, I've heard of people making them, but AFAIK,
in general you can't just use any stick, pointer, etc.

I have never bought a phablet before now, particularly one with a stylus,
so it's a good question of whether the stylus is a commodity or if it has
to be the one that is clipped into the phone.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+does+a+tablet+stylus+work
https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-does-a-stylus-pen-work

This says a capacitive stylus is easy to make at home:
https://www.howtogeek.com/177376/not-all-tablet-styluses-are-equal-capacitive-wacom-and-bluetooth-explained/
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-working-touchscreen-stylus-for-your-phone-o/

Certainly there is a mechanical fit that has to fit the Stylus 3 Plus,
which, a quick google, shows the Stylo 3 Plus does NOT even fit a Stylo 3:
https://www.amazon.com/Eaglestar-Replacement-Stylus-Touch-Stylo/dp/B077T4PJ1R

But the cost is about 10 bucks for it so it might not matter all that much:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-LG-Stylo-3-Plus-LS777-Touch-Pen-Replacement-Stylus-S-Original-High-Quality/253252457463

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 10:45:25 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

Is the 'stylus' special,

When you said special, it prompted me to ask if the stylo was a special
sale, a loss leader, or anything like that, so that it overrepresented
the price advantage of LG over iphone.

I once bought a PCJr that was iirc, well I can't really, maybe 200
dollars if you came with 20 proofs of purchase from the makers of
Kleenex and other products. So I bought one, and they stopped selling
them a week later. So that was there closeout price.

(Still, I got my money's worth. Used it for 9 years until I got a used,
modified, and only partly restored to its original setup XT.I thought it
would work when I got it home but I had to learn a couple things, I'm
surprised I could find the things to learn.)

or just the ordinary one with the rubber tip
that you can get in a variety of colors at the 99-Cents-Only store?
They work really nicely for clumsy people with fat fingers.

In article , harry newton
wrote:


Did I do a fair hardware comparison below of the two stocking stuffers?

no, but you aren't interested in fair anything. you hate apple, so get
the android phone.

As you know, I own and have bought plenty of Apple and Android devices.

except you don't know how to use any of them to their fullest potential
(ios *or* android), even going so far to intentionally disable basic
functionality.

They each have their strengths and weaknesses.

if only you actually meant that.

you refuse to acknowledge any strength of apple or any weakness of
android, and whenever anything is pointed out, you go off on a lunatic
rant.

He who is nospam said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:48:06 -0500:

you refuse to acknowledge any strength of apple or any weakness of
android, and whenever anything is pointed out, you go off on a lunatic
rant.

Please try to stay on topic.

I have plenty of iOS & Android devices, I've received plenty of both as
gifts, and I've given plenty as gifts. It's a thing with our family. Here,
for example, is a collection sitting in my office right now at this very
moment where you see iPads with iPhones with Android phablets.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/24/devices.jpg

Since I have both Android & iOS devices, but since I have never bought a
phablet before and since I may buy a few more today, I wanted to double
check with all of you for a fair hardware comparison between the iPhone 7
Plus & Stylo 3 Plus.

What did you think of the hardware comparison?
Did I get anything wrong or miss a key hardware-comparison factor?

In article , harry newton
wrote:

Please try to stay on topic.

stop snipping to alter context and you'll see that i do.

On 12/24/2017 11:27 AM, harry newton wrote:
I'm thinking of picking up a few more of these phablets, but some of the
kids I'll be giving them to may want Apple devices, so that's why I ran the
hardware comparison just now.

You have hit on it. Apple fans, including kids swayed by their peers or
Apple advertising, will accept nothing but Apple, regardless of the cost.

In article , rbowman
wrote:


You have hit on it. Apple fans, including kids swayed by their peers or
Apple advertising, will accept nothing but Apple, regardless of the cost.

apple haters will continue hating, regardless of facts.

He who is nospam said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:59:34 -0500:

apple haters will continue hating, regardless of facts.

This is off topic.

We all know that the world loves Apple products.

In fact, I authored a thread in which you responded specifically outlining
all the reasons we all love Apple products in different ways.

Why is the iPhone/iPad one of the most successful mobile device platforms
in the market?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/x8QlA5W81Yw

Here is the opening post I made to that thread...
"What are the main reasons millions of people, including some
of my own relatives, *love* the Apple iOS platform?"

So it's off topic for you to harp on your "apple haters" tirade.

All we want to know here is whether the cold hard facts are correct, and if
they're not, what are the cold hard facts about the hardware comparison
between the $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus and the equivalent $670 iPhone 7 Plus.

On 12/24/2017 11:59 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , rbowman
wrote:


You have hit on it. Apple fans, including kids swayed by their peers or
Apple advertising, will accept nothing but Apple, regardless of the cost.

apple haters will continue hating, regardless of facts.


Certainly. That is a corollary of the first statement. I neither hate or
love Apple. However up to this point nobody has offered my money to
create software for an Apple product so I have little interest in them.

My only brush with one was after I was gifted with a iPod Shuffle. I
will say iTunes was one of the least usable interfaces I've ever used.

He who is rbowman said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 11:54:58 -0700:

I'm thinking of picking up a few more of these phablets, but some of the
kids I'll be giving them to may want Apple devices, so that's why I ran the
hardware comparison just now.

You have hit on it. Apple fans, including kids swayed by their peers or
Apple advertising, will accept nothing but Apple, regardless of the cost.

While I have never bought a phablet before, it does seem that these LG
Stylo 3 Plus phones I bought as last-minute stocking stuffers are one fifth
the price of the equivalent iPhone 7 Plus based on the hardware specs.

Since I had only expected an equivalent iPhone to cost about double the
price of an equivalent Android phone, I was amazed that these seemingly
comparable devices are so vastly different in price.

For the price of one iPhone 7 Plus, I can give five equivalent Android
phones, based on the hardware specs I listed in the OP.

Since that Android-to-iOS price-to-performance comparison seems too good to
be true, I wanted to ask if I somehow got the hardware specs wrong, or
maybe the price wrong on the iPhone (I already paid the $130 so I know that
the price on the Android phablet is accurate).

Did I get the 5X price comparison correct?
Is my hardware comparison correct?

If so, with respect only to hardware, would you consider the two phones to
be essentially equivalent?

On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 3:03:54 PM UTC-5, harry newton wrote:
He who is rbowman said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 11:54:58 -0700:

I'm thinking of picking up a few more of these phablets, but some of the
kids I'll be giving them to may want Apple devices, so that's why I ran the
hardware comparison just now.

You have hit on it. Apple fans, including kids swayed by their peers or
Apple advertising, will accept nothing but Apple, regardless of the cost.

While I have never bought a phablet before, it does seem that these LG
Stylo 3 Plus phones I bought as last-minute stocking stuffers are one fifth
the price of the equivalent iPhone 7 Plus based on the hardware specs.

Since I had only expected an equivalent iPhone to cost about double the
price of an equivalent Android phone, I was amazed that these seemingly
comparable devices are so vastly different in price.

They clearly have a significant difference, the Apple has a 50%
higher clock rate. That likely means it;s on a newer smaller pitch
process that would also bring lower power. It's like looking at
two PCs, that both have the same memory and hard drive size but
one has a CPU that's 50% faster and saying they are seemingly
the same, why should one cost a lot more than the other?
How much that matters in the real world on these phones who knows,
because it's complex. One has more CPUs, so potentially they could
make up for some of it, but to what extent, who knows.

On 12/24/2017 1:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
I just picked up a couple of $130 Costco LG Stylo 3 Plus phones as
last-minute stocking stuffers, where I ran the following hardware-only
comparison below.


When buying smartphones, make sure they have the WPA2 KRACK patch available.

I got a couple 18-month-old Verizon branded HTC phones that the manufacturer no longer issues security patch updates so no more HTC phones for me.

AFAIK, Apple has patched the WPA2 KRACK vulnerability in their phones.

He who is Bob said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:23:56 -0500:

On 12/24/2017 1:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
I just picked up a couple of $130 Costco LG Stylo 3 Plus phones as
last-minute stocking stuffers, where I ran the following hardware-only
comparison below.


When buying smartphones, make sure they have the WPA2 KRACK patch available.

I got a couple 18-month-old Verizon branded HTC phones that the manufacturer no longer issues security patch updates so no more HTC phones for me.

AFAIK, Apple has patched the WPA2 KRACK vulnerability in their phones.

Thanks for that advice to ensure that the KRACK attack is patched.
I do keep abreast of security vulnerabilities in both Android & in iOS.

In fact, I'm the guy that broke the news of that KRACK attack on both the
iOS and Android newsgroups - so I'm well aware of the vulnerability.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/pI1pmUNYGbM

If it were an iOS phone, I'd have to ensure it doesn't have the secret
permanent and drastic CPU slowdown "feature" also - which is another
vulnerability I was the first to post on the iOS newsgroups.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GdEtzzrc9F0

So I'm up to speed on the software vulnerabilities - but the topic of this
thread is whether I got the hardware comparisons correct.

Is my hardware comparison correct?

If so, with respect only to hardware, would you consider the two phones to
be essentially equivalent? Why or why not?

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 18:01:01 +0000 (UTC), harry
newton wrote:

I just picked up a couple of $130 Costco LG Stylo 3 Plus phones as
last-minute stocking stuffers, where I ran the following hardware-only
comparison below.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/24/stylophones.jpg

I try to always only speak valid verifiable fact on Usenet.

Did I do a fair hardware comparison below of the two stocking stuffers?
If not, what hardware spec comparison did I miss?

(NOTE: It's not fair to iOS to perform an app functionality comparison
because there are scores of app functionalities on Android all by its itty
bitty self not on iOS and none on iOS not already on Android - so this is
only about the hardware comparison because all iOS devices lose in an
app-functionality comparison to almost any Android phone).

The Stylo sure seems like a better buy for much less money.

*HARDWARE COMPARISON OF STOCKING SUFFERS: iPhone 7 Plus vs Stylo 3 Plus:*
Price: The Stylo was $130; while the iPhone is ~$670 (~five times more!)

Since this is the way most people express it, I would have let it go,
except you compound it below. It may well be easier to convince you of
the one below than this one, but here goes.

The iPhone is 5 times as much, but it is only 4 times more.

Or "it is more. 5 times as much."

CPU: The Stylo has 8 cores; while the iPhone has only 4
CPU top speed: iPhone is 2.34GHz for 2 cores; Stylo is 1.4GHz for 4 cores
CPU lower speed: iPhone is 1.1GHz for 2 cores; Stylo is 1.1GHz for 4 cores
Storage: Both are 32GB
Expandable: Stylo expands to 2TB; iPhone is missing this functionality
Screen size: Stylo is 5.7 inches; iPhone is 5.5 inches
Display type: Both are IPS LCD
Pixel density: iPhone is 401ppi; Stylo is 386ppi
Screen resolution: both are the same at full HD 1080x1920 pixels
Main camera: Stylo rear camera is 13MP, while the iPhone 7 is 12MP
Selfie camera: iPhone is 7MP with flash; Stylo is 5MP with flash
Video: both are the same full HD at 1920x1080pixels at 30fps
Wi-Fi: both are the same at 802.11 everything up to ac, dual band
VoLTE: both are the same
NFC: both have NFC
Sensors: both have the same stuff
Bands: both have what is needed for the T-Mobile carrier we often use
Bluetooth: both are the same spec at version 4.2
Battery ease: Stylo is removable; while the iPhone 7 is not
Battery capacity: Stylo is 3080mAh, while the iPhone 7 is 2900mAh but no
RAM: iPhone 7 is 3GB while the Stylo is 2GB
Fingerprint sensor: iPhone 7 is on front; Stylo is on the back
SIM: Both are single nano SIM
Network: Both seem to support the same networks
Stylus: Stylo has a stylus; iPhone 7 is missing this functionality
FM Radio: Stylo has an FM radio; iPhone 7 is missing this functionality
Headphone: Stylo has a courageous jack; iPhone 7 is lost functionality
Wordsize: Both are 64-bit

The specs seems similar but the price is a whopping 5X difference.

The difference is 4x. If you subtract the lower from the higher to get
the difference, and then divide by the lower, the answer is rougly 4.

Did I miss an important hardware spec to compare the two phablets?

As stocking stuffers...
Q: Which do you think, based on hardware, has better priceerformance?

REFERENCES:
https://www.gadgetsnow.com/compare-mobile-phones/LG-Stylo-3-Plus-vs-Apple-iPhone-7-Plus
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-Stylo-3-Plus,Apple-iPhone-7-Plus/phones/10534%2C9816
http://membershipwireless.com/50699/apple-iphone-7-plus-black-32gb/activationtype/new
http://membershipwireless.com/52734/stylo-3-plus/activationtype/new

He who is micky said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 14:03:03 -0500:
The Stylo sure seems like a better buy for much less money.

Thanks for being the first person to hazard a guess, as I know it's risky
to state an opinion based on facts on the Usenet.

The main question is which is a better phone - from the hardware standpoint
only.

That's really the question - where the advantage of the iOS device is in a
faster CPU speed for half the cores (the same CPU speed for the other half
of it's cores) and the iPhone 7 has an extra GB of RAM.

Both of those are nice.

But on many other hardware factors (e.g., the Stylo 3 Plus has twice as
many CPU cores and expansion memory of up to 2 Terabytes) the Stylo 3 Plus
is clearly better than the iPhone 7 Plus.

It's the end analysis which I ask you about since each one of us weighs the
varying factors differently (e.g., I don't care about a camera but a kid
might care a lot - and where these two cameras seem 'about the same' but
they're not exactly the same).

The iPhone is 5 times as much, but it is only 4 times more.
Or "it is more. 5 times as much."

I ended up asking my wife to buy a couple more of the phablets today.

I'm ok with the equivalent iPhone being only 4 times as expensive as the
equivalent Android phone. The main calculation is that, for the same amount
of money, I can get 5 Android phones for the price of one equivalent iOS
phone.

That's what matters since these are gifts so I have to stuff more than one
stocking (one set of the recipients for example, are twins).

The difference is 4x. If you subtract the lower from the higher to get
the difference, and then divide by the lower, the answer is rougly 4.

That's fine. I understand.

The way I think about the math is that I can buy 5 Android phones for the
price of an essentially equivalent iOS phone.

In this case, I bought 4, so I had money to spare for something else (like
2 terabyte sd cards for each of the four phones!).

The important technical aspect of this question though isn't the price.

The question here is only of fact and how you interpret the hardware
comparison in the original post since we all weight the factors differently
and you never have to exactly equivalent android/ios phones in all hardware
respects.

He who is harry newton said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 18:01:01 +0000 (UTC):

Q: Which do you think, based on hardware, has better priceerformance?

What's interesting is this :singshot Extreme" benchmark I just found, which
validates what I thought would happen, which is that the iPhone 7 Plus is
faster than the LG Stylo 3 Plus.

iPhone 7 Plus:
https://www.futuremark.com/hardware/...+7+Plus/review

LG Stylo 3 Plus:
https://www.futuremark.com/hardware/...+3+Plus/review

If someone has more insight into the relevance of this "Sling Shot Extreme"
benchmark, that would be helpful.

Here are the raw numbers.

Physics test part 1 LG=22 FPS iPhone=26 FPS
Physics test part 2 LG=13 FPS iPhone=10 FPS
Physics test part 3 LG=7 FPS iPhone=6 FPS
Physics score LG=1279 iPhone=1145
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Graphics test 1 LG=2 FPS iPhone=24 FPS
Graphics test 2 LG=1 FPS iPhone=11 FPS
Graphics score LG=244 iPhone=3342
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Average score = LG=297 iPhone=2307

On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
(Snip, snip, snip)

I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a rotary
dial. No answering machine or voice mail either. I upgraded to a flip
phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough, and it's
easy to carry. A neighbor gave me an old smart phone and I've got
"Torque" and "Freenav" for a couple of apps. I haven't activated
service on it and now I'm wondering now if I will. Time and technology
march on, sometimes without me. Disclaimer, I'll be 70 next year and
getting kinda old and wear Velcro shoes.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 05:38:58 -0600, My 2 Cents wrote in


Time and technology
march on, sometimes without me. Disclaimer, I'll be 70 next year and
getting kinda old and wear Velcro shoes.

Me too. I don't even own a cell phone. None at all.
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and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
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On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 05:38:58 -0600, My 2 Cents wrote:

On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
(Snip, snip, snip)

I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a rotary
dial. No answering machine or voice mail either. I upgraded to a flip
phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough, and it's
easy to carry. A neighbor gave me an old smart phone and I've got
"Torque" and "Freenav" for a couple of apps. I haven't activated
service on it and now I'm wondering now if I will. Time and technology
march on, sometimes without me. Disclaimer, I'll be 70 next year and
getting kinda old and wear Velcro shoes.

My problem with smart phones is how delicate they are. Bump one the
wrong way and you break the screen. My Convoy flip phone will bounce
down the highway and still work.

On 12/27/2017 05:38 AM, My 2 Cents wrote:
On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
*(Snip, snip, snip)

* I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a rotary
dial.* No answering machine or voice mail either.* I upgraded to a flip
phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough, and it's
easy to carry.

My current flip-phone has 3 buttons (volume and camera) on the outside.
When the flip is closed, none of these buttons do anything other that
activate the display. No pocket dialing. No pocket talking. No cheek
dialing either.

[snip]


--
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http://notstupid.us/

The Pope has just declared that Jesus is now an infinitly long tube of
white paste.

On 12/27/2017 10:41 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 12/27/2017 05:38 AM, My 2 Cents wrote:
On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
(Snip, snip, snip)

I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a
rotary dial. No answering machine or voice mail either. I upgraded
to a flip phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough,
and it's easy to carry.

My current flip-phone has 3 buttons (volume and camera) on the outside.
When the flip is closed, none of these buttons do anything other that
activate the display. No pocket dialing. No pocket talking. No cheek
dialing either.

[snip]



A camera? That must be a high end model. My LG originates and receives
voice and text calls, end of story. I think it may have a calculator,
maybe not. The drawback is when you're broken down in the middle of
nowhere with no signal there are no games to amuse yourself with until
someone comes along in a day or two.

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 1:54:32 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 12/27/2017 10:41 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 12/27/2017 05:38 AM, My 2 Cents wrote:
On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
(Snip, snip, snip)

I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a
rotary dial. No answering machine or voice mail either. I upgraded
to a flip phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough,
and it's easy to carry.

My current flip-phone has 3 buttons (volume and camera) on the outside.
When the flip is closed, none of these buttons do anything other that
activate the display. No pocket dialing. No pocket talking. No cheek
dialing either.

[snip]



A camera? That must be a high end model. My LG originates and receives
voice and text calls, end of story. I think it may have a calculator,
maybe not. The drawback is when you're broken down in the middle of
nowhere with no signal there are no games to amuse yourself with until
someone comes along in a day or two.

Even very modest, entry level, flip phones have had cameras for over a decade.

(Snip, snip, snip)

I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a
rotary dial. No answering machine or voice mail either. I upgraded
to a flip phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough,
and it's easy to carry.

My current flip-phone has 3 buttons (volume and camera) on the outside.
When the flip is closed, none of these buttons do anything other that
activate the display. No pocket dialing. No pocket talking. No cheek
dialing either.

[snip]



A camera? That must be a high end model. My LG originates and receives
voice and text calls, end of story. I think it may have a calculator,
maybe not. The drawback is when you're broken down in the middle of
nowhere with no signal there are no games to amuse yourself with until
someone comes along in a day or two.

Even very modest, entry level, flip phones have had cameras for over a decade.


Yep - my Nokia 2720 circa 2009 is still going strong on the
original 7-year-old battery. It's been dropped about 5 or 6 times.
the slippery shiny finish is a bugger for old hands

http://www.megamobilecontent.com/spe...a-2720%20fold/

My pay-as-you-go is minimum $ 100. per year - I use less.
Voicemail & texting. Decent coverage - Canada's Bell network.
It won't be replaced with a flip-phone - but I'm not in any hurry
to replace it.
John T

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 12/27/2017 10:41 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 12/27/2017 05:38 AM, My 2 Cents wrote:
On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
(Snip, snip, snip)

I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a
rotary dial. No answering machine or voice mail either. I upgraded
to a flip phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough,
and it's easy to carry.

My current flip-phone has 3 buttons (volume and camera) on the outside.
When the flip is closed, none of these buttons do anything other that
activate the display. No pocket dialing. No pocket talking. No cheek
dialing either.

[snip]

A camera? That must be a high end model. My LG originates and receives
voice and text calls, end of story. I think it may have a calculator,
maybe not. The drawback is when you're broken down in the middle of
nowhere with no signal there are no games to amuse yourself with until
someone comes along in a day or two.


I have a Samsung SafeLink cell phone that's the size of 2 Zippo Lighters placed end to end. It will do text and has some other functions like games and a calendar. The screen is so small that I must put on my 4X reading glasses to read anything on it except the numbers that I dial. Even the buttons are hard to see but the phone works for what I want it for, making and receiving phone calls when I must go to the clinic or get my friend to take me shopping. I remember testing the texting capability 4 years ago but the only time I do any texting is when do it through Email on my desktop or laptop computer. You can put the phone number including area code on the "To" line of Gmail or Hotmail and send a text to a cell phone. My diminutive cell phone slips right into one of the pouches in my 11" Chromebook bag that I use to carry my wallet and paperwork when I must go out. It's my man purse. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Cell Monster

On 12/27/2017 12:54 PM, rbowman wrote:

[snip]

A camera? That must be a high end model. My LG originates and receives
voice and text calls, end of story. I think it may have a calculator,
maybe not. The drawback is when you're broken down in the middle of
nowhere with no signal there are no games to amuse yourself with until
someone comes along in a day or two.

A thousand years ago nobody had games on their phones, for when their
horses broke down.

On 12/27/2017 05:17 PM, Sam E wrote:
On 12/27/2017 12:54 PM, rbowman wrote:

[snip]

A camera? That must be a high end model. My LG originates and receives
voice and text calls, end of story. I think it may have a calculator,
maybe not. The drawback is when you're broken down in the middle of
nowhere with no signal there are no games to amuse yourself with until
someone comes along in a day or two.

A thousand years ago nobody had games on their phones, for when their
horses broke down.

Truth. Of course you might have a deck of cards and could play solitaire
without a $600 accessory.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 18:17:20 -0600, Sam E
wrote:

On 12/27/2017 12:54 PM, rbowman wrote:

[snip]

A camera? That must be a high end model. My LG originates and receives
voice and text calls, end of story. I think it may have a calculator,
maybe not. The drawback is when you're broken down in the middle of
nowhere with no signal there are no games to amuse yourself with until
someone comes along in a day or two.

A thousand years ago nobody had games on their phones, for when their
horses broke down.

I can remember when the only games you could play on a phone was crank
calling people. Now that has become a business.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 11:41:43 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 12/27/2017 05:38 AM, My 2 Cents wrote:
On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
Â*(Snip, snip, snip)

Â* I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a rotary
dial.Â* No answering machine or voice mail either.Â* I upgraded to a flip
phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough, and it's
easy to carry.

My current flip-phone has 3 buttons (volume and camera) on the outside.
When the flip is closed, none of these buttons do anything other that
activate the display. No pocket dialing. No pocket talking. No cheek
dialing either.


My wife is still using her first cell phone, a Motorola V188 flip.
2004. Same deal.

On 12/27/2017 04:38 AM, My 2 Cents wrote:
On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
(Snip, snip, snip)

I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a rotary
dial. No answering machine or voice mail either. I upgraded to a flip
phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough, and it's
easy to carry. A neighbor gave me an old smart phone and I've got
"Torque" and "Freenav" for a couple of apps. I haven't activated
service on it and now I'm wondering now if I will. Time and technology
march on, sometimes without me. Disclaimer, I'll be 70 next year and
getting kinda old and wear Velcro shoes.

I really miss the old sturdy phenolic dial phones. They came with nice
little hammers attached by a curly cord so you could beat the damn thing
to death when it became too annoying.

On 12/27/17 6:38 AM, My 2 Cents wrote:
On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
*(Snip, snip, snip)

* I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a rotary
dial.* No answering machine or voice mail either.* I upgraded to a flip
phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough, and it's
easy to carry.* A neighbor gave me an old smart phone and I've got
"Torque" and "Freenav" for a couple of apps.* I haven't activated
service on it and now I'm wondering now if I will.* Time and technology
march on, sometimes without me.* Disclaimer, I'll be 70 next year and
getting kinda old and wear Velcro shoes.

Don't be such an old fart. Stop living in the past; you're circling the
drain.

I've been on this earth a good bit longer than you and love the
challenges of technology. If I had access back in the day to even half
of what we have now, I'd be so rich Buffet, Bezos, Slim, Gates, Zucky,
and even President Trump would be envious!

--
The most dangerous phrase in the language is “We’ve always done it that
way.”

My 2 Cents wrote:
On 12/24/2017 12:01 PM, harry newton wrote:
(Snip, snip, snip)

I come from a time when the phone had a cord and a bell and a rotary
dial. No answering machine or voice mail either. I upgraded to a flip
phone a few years ago and that's working plenty good enough, and it's
easy to carry. A neighbor gave me an old smart phone and I've got
"Torque" and "Freenav" for a couple of apps. I haven't activated service
on it and now I'm wondering now if I will. Time and technology march on,
sometimes without me. Disclaimer, I'll be 70 next year and getting kinda
old and wear Velcro shoes.

Yes. Velcro shoes !

Greg