On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:44:36 -0400, in
,
wrote:

Tes, but when I buy new tires I have the supplier install and balance
them - then there is never a question about who is responsible if
there is a problem - and for the last 26 tears since I have been out
of "the business", my time has been worth more to someone else than
the cost of having tires mounted.

You're the only one who posted, it seems, who knows what he's talking about
because you have *done* the job (albeit using professional tools and not
the homeowner tools - which are markedly different in every way).

The "time is money" argument can be said about *anything* you do around the
house, from cleaning the toilet bowl to pruning the trees to mowing the
lawn to fixing the ho****er heater.

Every time the time-is-money argument shows up, it's *always* really just
another way of saying "I don't like the job".

That's fine. But you need to be true to yourself, since the time-is-money
argument works for repairing the kids' sneakers and for replacing a broken
window pane and for cleaning the gutters, etc.

The time-is-money argument works for *every* home repair, so it has
*nothing* to do with this, the most basic of all car repairs, which is
changing and repairing tires (which is about as basic as doing an oil
change or replacing your brakes).

As for "who is responsible", that's another "odd" argument. If you wound
your own garage door springs, who would be responsible? If you vacuumed
your own pool, who would be responsible? If you chainsawed a tree branch,
who would be responsible? If you replaced your brakes, who would be
responsible? If you fixed a leak in the kitchen sink who would be
responsible?

My point is that both the "time is money" and "who is responsible"
arguments are non-specific ways of saying "you don't like the job".

And that's ok.
Just don't lie to yourself.
Be true to yourself.

It's OK that you don't like the job, but it's not ok to throw up imaginary
hurdles which can be applied equally well to *any* job you ever did at home
or on the car.

We get it. You don't like the job.
That's OK.

On 10/26/2017 12:36 PM, trader_4 wrote:
Just what I need more items that are the size of another floor jack,
a drill press, and a shop vac, that I use once every three years.
And that has to be bolted down to the floor. And with all that, it
only statically balances the tires, while I can get them dynamically
balanced at the shop when they install them. Oh, and then they will
rotate and balance them for free for the life of the tires.

we should all have one of these too

https://www.bigboysgaragetoys.com/pr.../tuxedo-tp9kfx

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:45:10 -0400, in
, cat wrote:

we should all have one of these too

https://www.bigboysgaragetoys.com/pr.../tuxedo-tp9kfx

I can never justify the cost to the wife over a $150 floor jack and $100 of
jack stands, but my oh my, wouldn't it be nice to have one of those bolted
to my garage floor!

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 17:45:53 -0000 (UTC), Blake Snyder
wrote:


So I think this group just doesn't do basic stuff on their cars, which I
guess makes sense since it's a "home" repair group and not a car repair
group (since things like oil changes, brakes, tires, etc., are as basic as
basic ever gets).


I've rebuilt a 352 and a VW engine from the crank up. But I took the 352 crankcase to a
shop for tank cleaning, and miking the bores. Same with the crank.
I've pulled plenty of heads and replaced plenty of intake gaskets.
Except for the VW, I let a shop do the heads. VW I ground the valves with a drill.
Done ball joints, struts, heater cores, gas tanks, mufflers and pipes, etc, etc.
But I found out long ago that it doesn't pay to do exhausts, tires and transmissions.
And if I had a failed engine nowadays and wanted to keep the car for some reason, I'd put
in a new crate engine.
Tires are a no-brainer for me. They are shop repaired. I haven't had one repaired in at
least 5 years. YMMV.

On 10/26/2017 12:45 PM, Blake Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:32:29 -0700 (PDT), in
, trader_4
wrote:

Did you find those patch/plugs yet?

Of course I *found* them, as they're on the Internet.
But, in the end, I simply *guessed* as to which ones were good.

The question of quality was not in the original post. It apparently
entered somewhere along the line when you felt the need to increase the
longevity of the thread and your bull**** about whether or not we were
idiots or losers because we wouldn't invest in the equipment to change
our own tires every time we had a flat.

You asked:

"Looks like I have to get my patch plugs online, but I don't need a box
of five hundred. Five would do me well for the next couple of years or so.

Where do you buy small quantities of patch plugs to repair passenger car
tires?"

See anything there related to quality? You rejected suggestions - mine
and others - to buy a limited quantity from a local repair shop.


I was hoping there would be some related experience here, and not just a
bunch of whining by people who didn't like doing the job.

Thence, other than all that useless whining, I found out only *after* I had
asked that nobody here has done the job except Clare.


[snip]

I agree with you. This is a "home" repair group.
They have no experience with even the most basic of basic car repairs, it
seems.

That's likely an erroneous assumption on your part. I, and I'm sure
many others, like doing minor (and maybe even major) repairs on cars and
other projects around the home.

It just isn't a smart use of one's time or money to purchase the
equipment to do a job like tire repair when one can get the job done
professionally for free or under, say, $20. I currently own three cars
and during the past 20 years or so have owned as many as five at one
point. I have experienced a grand total of 3 flats or leaks that needed
repair. One was on a run flat tire that I repaired using the "rope
patch" and drove for another 15,000 miles before replacing all the
tires. The other two were handled, at no cost, by the tire dealer. The
only one I ever paid to have fixed at a local garage cost me $10 about
25 years ago.

It's my fault for asking for advice.
Not theirs for whining that they don't like the job.

At last we can agree on something.

Blake Snyder posted for all of us...



I stopped by all the parts stores today (four of them) where all they had
were the flat inside patches and "rope" outside patches. Same with the big
box stores.

Looks like I have to get my patch plugs online, but I don't need a box of
five hundred. Five would do me well for the next couple of years or so.

Where do you buy small quantities of patch plugs to repair passenger car
tires?

Are you the same guy who wanted the thread on valve stems?
How to fix bead breakers?
Other nym shifting stuff?

--
Tekkie

On 10/26/2017 1:48 PM, Blake Snyder wrote:


My fault for asking.

The word "stoop" is apropos since I stooped down to the level of this
"home" repair group to ask an extremely basic question about 'car' repair.

Since tires are the most basic of basic tasks on cars, it was wrong of me
to stoop to the level of asking here a basic car repair question.

Lesson learned.
Thanks!


Good. It was nice of you do come down here and we do admire you but
yes, we do not deserve you.

Stormin Norman seems to have disappeared so you did make a good substitute.

On 10/26/2017 1:45 PM, Blake Snyder wrote:


So I think this group just doesn't do basic stuff on their cars, which I
guess makes sense since it's a "home" repair group and not a car repair
group (since things like oil changes, brakes, tires, etc., are as basic as
basic ever gets).

Many of us here do oil changes, spark plugs, etc.


I agree with you. This is a "home" repair group.
They have no experience with even the most basic of basic car repairs, it
seems.

Ignorant comment. See above.


It's my fault for asking for advice.
Not theirs for whining that they don't like the job.

Had I not asked, they wouldn't have whined that they don't like the job.


I did plug a tire back in the 1960s. Have not since though. Ever see
one plugged with rubber bands? Could be done with older tires.

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:15:26 PM UTC-4, Blake Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 09:36:49 -0700 (PDT), in
, trader_4
wrote:

Just what I need more items that are the size of another floor jack,
a drill press, and a shop vac, that I use once every three years.
And that has to be bolted down to the floor.

The fact you keep *forgetting* that it doesn't have to be bolted down ot
the floor is what is odd.

Why can't you understand that?
Do you not comprehend the simplest of things?


https://www.harborfreight.com/manual...ger-69686.html


Portable Tire Changer
Read this material before using this product.
Failure to do so can result in serious injury.
Save this manual.
Copyright© 2012 by Harbor Freight Tools®. All rights reserved.

6. Do not use without mounting to floor.
Mount only to a secure, level surface
able to support weight of Manual
Tire Changer and tire assembly.
7. Verify that mounting surface has
no hidden utility lines before
drilling or driving screws.


And I've done tire dismounting, so I know how they come off, it's
obvious that if the tire changer isn't bolted down, the whole
damn thing is going to move while you try to get the tire off the rim.
You really should stop while you're behind.

Next!

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 4:52:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 10/26/2017 1:48 PM, Blake Snyder wrote:


My fault for asking.

The word "stoop" is apropos since I stooped down to the level of this
"home" repair group to ask an extremely basic question about 'car' repair.

Since tires are the most basic of basic tasks on cars, it was wrong of me
to stoop to the level of asking here a basic car repair question.

Lesson learned.
Thanks!


Good. It was nice of you do come down here and we do admire you but
yes, we do not deserve you.

Stormin Norman seems to have disappeared so you did make a good substitute.

Yes, I miss the general, where is he? Last time he was here, he said
he was putting up a new steel building. Hope it didn't fall on his
alleged 90+ year old head.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:47:34 -0700 (PDT), in
, trader_4
wrote:

And I've done tire dismounting, so I know how they come off, it's
obvious that if the tire changer isn't bolted down, the whole
damn thing is going to move while you try to get the tire off the rim.
You really should stop while you're behind.

Look at this before you continue to make an utter fool of yourself.
http://www.ourelkhorn.itgo.com/jeep/tirechng.htm

Here's a guy doing the job in pajamas on a makeshift pallet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4iPmU9OYs

I have done *plenty* of tires before I decided to drill the holes to sink
the female inserts to bolt the tire mounter down, and you do *not* have to
bolt the mounter into the garage floor. Period.

You can stake it into the ground.
You can screw it into a board.
You can screw it into a pallet.
etc.

How long would it take *you* to screw the tire mounting tool into a pallet?
Took me about five minutes.

I realize that's too difficult a task for you, but *everything* you have
written has been so *dead wrong* as to be ridiculous.

All you do is make a fool of yourself.
It's like you don't like cleaning toilet bowls, so you try to tell us that
your **** doesn't stink.

All your arguments only work on fools.
I'm done with the bunch of you.

You're all utter fools (except maybe one or two of you who can *think*).

Not one statement from you in this entire thread was correct. Not one.
Be real. It's OK if you don't like the job.
But you should stop lying to yourself.

Tell *yourself* the truth, for once.
There's no need to bolt it into the driveway or sidewalk or garage floor.

Here are references, but you won't believe facts so it doesn't matter.
http://i1os.com/tire_changer/b9RmKQOZEoE.video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ii19ZV3XPo
http://gardentractortalk.com/forums/topic/40387-harbor-freight-tire-changer/
http://rmpmotosports.com/wordpress/?page_id=1160
http://www.dcsportbikes.net/forum/f19/my-harbor-freight-tire-changer-mods-79717/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuH5BzAR4a4

I'm totally out of here becuase all you guys *can* do is troll nonsense
that is so easily proven wrong that it's a waste of time to even *respond*
to your utter lies about how *you* don't want to do a job that is so
simple, it's perhaps the most basic of all car repairs.

--
Note: The motororcyle changer is just an extension to the car tire changer.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 17:31:36 -0000 (UTC), Blake Snyder
wrote:

a lot of "drivel" snipped.

Getting it to pop into place is child's play but sometimes takes a lot of
jiggling. What I do is screw on the air after removing the schrader valve
core (but you don't really have to), and then that gets the air in fastest
as I jiggle the tire with both hands.

Try seating a new tire that's been stacked for a few months on a
wide-ish rim without a "speed inflator" You can bounce till you are
silly, and jiggle 'till you giggle, and it will NOT go on.
Particularly without removing the schrader valve. Being able to blast
air in between the rim and the tire bead is almost a requirement. On a
bias tire, wrapping a rope around the middle of the tire and twisting
would spread the beads, but on a steel belted radial it can often be
futile.

I've never had a tire not seat, but in the past, I also used the redneck
methods, which work, but are dangerous (such as the carb cleaner lighter
trick). Those redneck bead-seating methods work. And they work fast. Too
fast for my liking. I'll take the 30 second air-compressor bead seating
method over the instantaneous carb-cleaner-explosion method any day.

And if you want to mout my 225-70 tires on my 8" wide rims you'll be
sweating and turning the air blue - which is why I won't even try
without proper equipment - and why I paid to have mine mounted.

It's fine if you want to do it at home, but it's not worth it to me
for all those reasons and the few times I need to do it.

Exactly.
You don't want to *do* the job.
All your other hurdles (e.g., force) are bogus.

And you are being an ass.

The real reason you're throwing up imaginary hurdles is that you just don't
*like* the job, and that's ok. You can be true to yourself.

It's not
at all like a leaf blower that I use frequently, can store almost
anywhere, takes little space and doesn't need to be bolted to the floor.

You don't get it if you say that, but I already explained that my Echo leaf
blower is *far* more effort to maintain and store than are *any* of the
steel tools lying outside that I use to change tires.
And you are an idiot if you leave your steel tools lying around
outside - particularly with the weather we have around here.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 18:10:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 10/25/2017 4:23 PM, Blake Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:10:06 -0400, in
, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I bow to your superior knowledge. I feel fortunate just to be able to
read everything you write, knowing it is correct and no room for other
points of view. You make the world a better place and I thank you for
that.

We'd all be more enlightened if you just stopped making up excuses for why
you don't like to change tires.


I'm not making up excuses There is no sensible payback for me to buy
the equipment. Far easier to have my local tire shop do it. Fast and
fair prices. Not worth my effort.


You don't have to like doing any job, you know.

But you shouldn't at the same time throw up imaginary hurdles which never
existed just to persuade yourself that you don't like the job for logical
reasons.

Nothing imaginary. It just does not make sense for me to do it. The
investment in time and money does not make it worth while.



I posit that the *knowledge* is far more formidable than the equipment and
risk, because knowledge negates the risk and cost of the equipment.


I pay people with that knowledge to do it for me. I had knee surgery
but I let a surgeon do it though it seemed fairly simple to DIY.
Just plonk the troll, Ed.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:13:22 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:

On 10/26/2017 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 7:16:42 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 10/25/2017 5:31 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:23:52 PM UTC-4, Blake Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:10:06 -0400, in

[snip]

The fact that after you're done mounting tires you then have to balance them
isn't imaginary. You have a dynamic balance machine too? So, now what?
The fact that many tire shops have good prices and offer free rotating and
free balancing for the life of the tires isn't imaginary either.


All you have to say is that you don't want to get your hands dirty.

Or that you don't want to take the time to learn how to do the job right.
Or that you don't want to risk the danger of breaking a fingernail.

I didn't see Ed say anything even close to that.


What I find amazing as I sit here at look back at this thread is the
simple fact that "Smartest Man in World" no doubt Hillary's 2nd cousin,
twice removed, had to stoop to asking via this group a question that the
answer(s) to he a) either already had solved to his satisfaction or b)
didn't want to listen to. I mean, he's a self-professed expert in this
endeavor and yet he slipped in that he didn't know the best plugs
available and wanted us to opine on that as well. Needless to say,
anyone who ventured to name a specific brand would have re-energized his
contentiousness.

Then again, I could be wrong and he's just a freakin' troll. In any
event, "feed him fish!"

Say what now? You replied to my post and your silly remarks seem to be
aimed at me. I suggest you go back and look at who started the thread
and posted the question about where to source patchs/plugs. It was not me.
It's been abundantly clear that I'm not the one dismounting tires and
patching them for friends and family. Try reading a bit next time you
drive by. BTW, good choice for a screen name!


Read it again, in context. It was directed at the OP.

The segment "had to stoop to asking via this group a question that the
answer(s) to he a) either already had solved to his satisfaction or b)
didn't want to listen to. I mean, he's a self-professed expert in this
endeavor and yet he slipped in that he didn't know the best plugs
available and wanted us to opine on that as well." should have been a
clue, but maybe not.

In any event, relax, it wasn't directed at you.


\
Between Trader and Blake, no wonder you are confused

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-4, Blake Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:47:34 -0700 (PDT), in
, trader_4
wrote:

And I've done tire dismounting, so I know how they come off, it's
obvious that if the tire changer isn't bolted down, the whole
damn thing is going to move while you try to get the tire off the rim.
You really should stop while you're behind.

Look at this before you continue to make an utter fool of yourself.
http://www.ourelkhorn.itgo.com/jeep/tirechng.htm

Here's a guy doing the job in pajamas on a makeshift pallet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4iPmU9OYs

I have done *plenty* of tires before I decided to drill the holes to sink
the female inserts to bolt the tire mounter down, and you do *not* have to
bolt the mounter into the garage floor. Period.


I see, so you finally followed the simple directions in the instructions
and bolted the tire changer to the floor. Funny you did that, if there
was no need to do it. I guess pajamas and a pallet didn't work so well
after all?









You can stake it into the ground.
You can screw it into a board.
You can screw it into a pallet.
etc.

How long would it take *you* to screw the tire mounting tool into a pallet?
Took me about five minutes.

I don't have a pallet and you can add that to your list of things to
store. I suppose you'll tell us that a pallet is like a leaf blower,
just one of those things people typically have around. I've changed
tires on a floor mounted machine, I can imagine how well it must
work trying to do it on a pallet.




I realize that's too difficult a task for you, but *everything* you have
written has been so *dead wrong* as to be ridiculous.


I told you it had to be bolted down. The instructions say so too.
You do listen to safety instructions, right? You claim to listen
to tire manufacturers and tire shops, so why not listen to the
folks in China who built that HF tire changer? Oh, wait, you just
told us that you did finally drill holes in the floor to mount it.
And I'm the one who's been wrong? ROFL



All you do is make a fool of yourself.
It's like you don't like cleaning toilet bowls, so you try to tell us that
your **** doesn't stink.

All your arguments only work on fools.
I'm done with the bunch of you.

You're all utter fools (except maybe one or two of you who can *think*).

Not one statement from you in this entire thread was correct. Not one.
Be real. It's OK if you don't like the job.
But you should stop lying to yourself.

Tell *yourself* the truth, for once.
There's no need to bolt it into the driveway or sidewalk or garage floor.

Here are references, but you won't believe facts so it doesn't matter.
http://i1os.com/tire_changer/b9RmKQOZEoE.video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ii19ZV3XPo
http://gardentractortalk.com/forums/topic/40387-harbor-freight-tire-changer/
http://rmpmotosports.com/wordpress/?page_id=1160
http://www.dcsportbikes.net/forum/f19/my-harbor-freight-tire-changer-mods-79717/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuH5BzAR4a4

I'm totally out of here becuase all you guys *can* do is troll nonsense

Me too. I'm getting in my pajamas to go look for a pallet so I can
buy me one of those tire changer things.