On 03/01/2017 01:02 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:18:02 -0500, wrote:
The rich can put a lot of people to work!
And like in the early days of the south, they can work
them to death for peanuts.
Slavery
Sharecroppers

Geez... you're talking pre- and post-civil war. The country has come
long way since.

Women can vote now!

Yeah, and they can parade around with pink pussyhats. On the average
women are no less intelligent than men -- nor are they any smarter. They
certainly are no less bloodthirsty. Exhibit A: Madelaine Albright.

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 16:17:58 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 13:49:11 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:15:54 -0500, wrote:
Why does anyone give credence to celebrities
political viewpoints?

Who was trump, other than a celebrity??

Well, he was a man who wanted to run for president, won the
republican nomination, and then won the presidency. He put his money
where his mouth is, unlike the majority of celebrities who swore
they'd leave the country if Trump won! Did any of them actually
leave?

I hear Canada is nice this time of year.

In particular this year - we've been breaking records left and right.
About 42F again today - cool and rainy - definitely NOT cold. (here
in Central Ontario)

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 16:28:31 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 12:46:21 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

The rich can put a lot of people to work!
And like in the early days of the south, they can work them to death
for peanuts.
Slavery
Sharecroppers
Nobody was without a job
They all worked "for the rich"

Typical Liberal Leftist howling. ?(•?•)?

[8~{} Uncle Conservative Monster

+1 He never lived in the South. never saw what happened. Clare is a
keyboard do gooder from Canukistain.
I've lived farther south than anyplace in the USA where people still
work for rich multinationals for basically slave wages.
My world is bigger than Canada or even North America.

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:38:54 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per trader_4:
And just yesterday, Trump told
a bunch of governors, "who would have thought healthcare could be so
complicated".

Call me a cynic, but my reaction when hearing that quote was "Just about
everybody with an IQ above room temperature who had thought about the
subject for more than 20 minutes."...
Or even 20 seconds. Or anyone who has has any experience with ANY
government health care system - even the best. Or anyone working in
health care, or married to someone who is - - -

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:19:39 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

Half my relatives are in The North and I had ancestors who fought for both sides. So family fighting amongst ourselves is nothing new. When it's all over we're still family but the Democrats simply found another underhanded way to enslave Negroes all over again. Democrats are racist *******s. ?( ?_?)?


Get into our family dispute we will jump you and beat your ass. We can
argue amongst ourselves, but stay out of it.

Why were the democrat females wearing white dresses yesterday in the
speech. Is that like a KKK hooded thing? White dresses matter or
what.

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 8:28:32 PM UTC-6, philo wrote:
On 03/01/2017 08:19 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:12:46 PM UTC-6, philo wrote:
On 03/01/2017 06:57 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:

During the administration of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower,
a 92 percent marginal income tax rate for top earners in the United
States remained from the previous administration of Harry S. Truman. At
the time, the highest tax bracket was for income over $400,000.

President Eisenhower didn't have to Tweet in order to bypass the lying Liberal Leftist news media. The infestation of of the news media by Commiecrats wasn't as extensive during Eisenhower's Presidency. I never mentioned President Eisenhower in the post you're responding to. I was responding to a Liberal Leftist Socialist non-American who insanely equated President Trump and his plans to slavery and has some bizarre belief that American workers will be paid in peanuts instead of dollars. So I believe it is you sir who are the idiot because you went even farther off the rails. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

Half my relatives are in The North and I had ancestors who fought for both sides. So family fighting amongst ourselves is nothing new. When it's all over we're still family but the Democrats simply found another underhanded way to enslave Negroes all over again. Democrats are racist *******s. ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜

You know damn well that's bull****

I see it all the time and my darker skinned cousins who are of sub-Saharan African ancestry have told me that when they visit large cities in The Northern states they experience racism like never before. Those are places run by and populated by "Democrats". White folks in The South have matured in my lifetime but unfortunately, my Northern Caucasian cousins never have and have some strange belief that they're morally superior to Caucasian Southerners. The South left racism behind in the last century. Of course you don't have to believe me. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/11/cl...n-southerners/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-re..._b_933995.html

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

On 3/1/2017 6:17 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 13:49:11 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:15:54 -0500, wrote:
Why does anyone give credence to celebrities
political viewpoints?

Who was trump, other than a celebrity??

Well, he was a man who wanted to run for president, won the
republican nomination, and then won the presidency. He put his money
where his mouth is, unlike the majority of celebrities who swore
they'd leave the country if Trump won! Did any of them actually
leave?

I hear Canada is nice this time of year.


shrugs

--
Maggie

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 9:24:53 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:05:45 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:18:02 -0500, wrote:

The rich can put a lot of people to work!
And like in the early days of the south, they can work them to death
for peanuts.
Slavery
Sharecroppers
Nobody was without a job
They all worked "for the rich"

Did you get hired or ever work for a poor man?

When I was able bodied, me and my friends did work for poor people for little or no money, especially if they were elderly, disabled or on a fixed income. You won't find Hitlery Clinton supporters doing that sort of thing, especially the elite Commiecrats. They want to use the power of government to point a gun at you, take your money and give it away. ?(?)?

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

I'm more deplorable than you are -- neener Neener :-)

I've been asked to do the voice of the main character in a new animated movie, "Deplorable Me." It should be a lot of fun. I'm supposed to be all the "isist" in the dictionary. I'm going to have to get all my friends of different races, nationalities, religions and WTF sexuals to help me practice. I'm sure they can give me pointers on mean things to say that aren't PC, Politically Correct and PC, Prudishly Correct. I may even make up some mean things to say. ヽ(à²*_à²*)ノ

[8~{} Uncle über-Deplorable Monster

On 3/1/2017 9:01 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 17:10:59 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Aside, I have an old book, small, but funny as all git-out about the
"Faces of Communications". It goes through numerous types of people
and how to deal with their personalities. Then there is the One
Minute Manager Meets the Monkey and another, the Monkey Meets the One
Minute Manager. What a hoot. Good stuff when dealing with others on
the job.


Sounds like some interesting reading!


Basically they are about management. Another good one, and I have it,
is What Would Machiavelli Do. Now that one is a hoot.

Sounds like my former boss!

Surround your enemies like a shark and destroy them. :-)



--
Maggie

On 3/1/2017 9:24 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:05:45 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:18:02 -0500, wrote:

The rich can put a lot of people to work!
And like in the early days of the south, they can work them to death
for peanuts.
Slavery
Sharecroppers
Nobody was without a job
They all worked "for the rich"

Did you get hired or ever work for a poor man?

When I was able bodied, me and my friends did work for poor people for little or no money, especially if they were elderly, disabled or on a fixed income. You won't find Hitlery Clinton supporters doing that sort of thing, especially the elite Commiecrats. They want to use the power of government to point a gun at you, take your money and give it away. ?(?)?

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

I'm more deplorable than you are -- neener Neener :-)


Did you see when Hillary was campaigning where she was talking about
"Nasty women vote"?? I couldn't believe she was campaigning using that
rhetoric!

--
Maggie

On 03/01/2017 09:11 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 16:17:58 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 13:49:11 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:15:54 -0500, wrote:
Why does anyone give credence to celebrities
political viewpoints?

Who was trump, other than a celebrity??

Well, he was a man who wanted to run for president, won the
republican nomination, and then won the presidency. He put his money
where his mouth is, unlike the majority of celebrities who swore
they'd leave the country if Trump won! Did any of them actually
leave?

I hear Canada is nice this time of year.

In particular this year - we've been breaking records left and right.
About 42F again today - cool and rainy - definitely NOT cold. (here
in Central Ontario)


You're doing better than Calgary. It's 16 now, supposed to get up to 36
tomorrow.

On 03/01/2017 09:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:19:39 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

Half my relatives are in The North and I had ancestors who fought for both sides. So family fighting amongst ourselves is nothing new. When it's all over we're still family but the Democrats simply found another underhanded way to enslave Negroes all over again. Democrats are racist *******s. ?( ?_?)?


Get into our family dispute we will jump you and beat your ass. We can
argue amongst ourselves, but stay out of it.

Why were the democrat females wearing white dresses yesterday in the
speech. Is that like a KKK hooded thing? White dresses matter or
what.


It certainly wasn't because they were virgins. It's like the boyz in da
hood, gotta show the right colors.

On 03/01/2017 09:59 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I see it all the time and my darker skinned cousins who are of sub-Saharan African ancestry have told me that when they visit large cities in The Northern states they experience racism like never before.

I can't find the qoute but Billie Holiday said something like in the
south they don't care how close a black person gets as long as they
don't get too high. In the north they don't care how high he gets as
long as he doesn't get too close.

I used to hang out in Irish Mafia joints in Massachusetts. Watching
basketball games was always fun. There was big money on the game so the
patrons were in the uncomfortable position of rooting for blacks. They
would try to concentrate on Havlicek and Cowens rather than Ard, White,
Scott and so forth. Hockey was less stressful with all that nice white ice.

On 01/03/2017 22:52, philo wrote:
On 03/01/2017 02:28 PM, David B. wrote:



snip

they had hoped for. Despite the rhetoric, it's still going to be
business as usual. (Just a little bit worse.)

I've now watched most of his speech.

I'm hoping he will be a GREAT president of the USA! :-)




It would be nice but I don't see that as much of a possibility
In American elections there are always those idiots who are too lazy to
vote and I'm sure there were a few million in this last election that
fit that category.

However out of the 60 million or so who did not vote, a large percentage
HATED both Trump and Clinton.

Coupled to the 3 million majority votes that Clinton got, Trump has
started out with the majority of voters HATING him.


George Bush may not have been liked by some...but I know few people who
outright hated him.


Right from the start Trump is facing a huge handicap.


Had he started out by saying something to the effect that he knows not
everyone was in favor of him but he would work for all Americans, he
might have gotten some mileage with that.

Instead he whined like a 3 year old and complained about a rigged
election...even though he won it.


Additionally, since it's know he is friendly toward Putin, since when is
it fashionable to be a commie sympathizer?


Trump has done way more that simply having shot himself in the foot.

Your comments noted!

I shall watch what happens in the USA with interest.

--
"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)

When I was able bodied, me and my friends did work for poor people
for little or no money, especially if they were elderly, disabled or
on a fixed income.
You won't find Hitlery Clinton supporters doing that sort of thing,
[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster



If we're getting out the tools and pitching in to help people -
- I'll take Jimmy Carter on my work crew, thank you very much.
I doubt that any of the billionaire elites, who buy their way into
American politics, would know which end of a hammer to hold -
.. especially the Scary Clown.
John T.

On 03/01/2017 11:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/01/2017 09:59 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I see it all the time and my darker skinned cousins who are of
sub-Saharan African ancestry have told me that when they visit large
cities in The Northern states they experience racism like never before.

I can't find the qoute but Billie Holiday said something like in the
south they don't care how close a black person gets as long as they
don't get too high. In the north they don't care how high he gets as
long as he doesn't get too close.

I used to hang out in Irish Mafia joints in Massachusetts. Watching
basketball games was always fun. There was big money on the game so the
patrons were in the uncomfortable position of rooting for blacks. They
would try to concentrate on Havlicek and Cowens rather than Ard, White,
Scott and so forth. Hockey was less stressful with all that nice white ice.



I live in Wisconsin but for my job I spent a lot of time in the South.

My take is that white prejudice towards blacks is about equal in north
and south.

Most African Americans prefer the South however because any racism there
is not hidden. Up North people put on a false face.


Also, as to school integration in the North.

My ex-wife was a teacher and she said all they did was bring bus loads
of inner city kids into schools in white neighborhoods but there was no
actual integration.

Some schools did a much better job than others though.

On 03/01/2017 09:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 17:51:31 -0600, philo wrote:

My point is that anyone who trusts Putin would be a fool.


Revoke Ford's Executive Order about killing foreign dignitaries and
shoot that sum beach. A few Army Rangers could do it.




Do you really thing Trump is going to give two ****s about a decades old
executive order?

That said, why would Putin's replacement be any more trustworthy?

Russia is not to be trusted.

On 03/02/2017 02:13 AM, David B. wrote:


snip

Had he started out by saying something to the effect that he knows not
everyone was in favor of him but he would work for all Americans, he
might have gotten some mileage with that.

Instead he whined like a 3 year old and complained about a rigged
election...even though he won it.


Additionally, since it's know he is friendly toward Putin, since when is
it fashionable to be a commie sympathizer?


Trump has done way more that simply having shot himself in the foot.

Your comments noted!

I shall watch what happens in the USA with interest.




Way too soon to say but Trump seems to have quite whining on Twitter for
now. If he can cut that out, he'll at least look a bit more like a
rational person.

There has been a lot of speculation as to his sanity.

I think it's more a problem of "rich kid syndrome."

No friends and always getting his way.

He surely must realize that any "friend" he has is simply in it for the
money...including his wife.


To quite Trump, "SAD."

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:15:18 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 3/1/2017 2:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 1:38:57 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 3/1/2017 12:16 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:21:00 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 2/28/2017 11:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/28/2017 08:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:34:17 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 2/28/2017 8:59 PM, wrote:
55 minutes into his address to congress, and for the first time he is,
in my opinion, coming across as not only sane but presidential.
Not sure what he's on, but make sure he has an uninterupted supply!!!!
He has stayed on topic without any "raving" and divisiveness.
Mabee I've misjudged the man -
Let's hope so.
We'll see.


There is not one thing different about Trump. That's who he is and he
was that same man on the campaign trial.
Not at ALL the same man as on the campaign trail. Not even close.


Horses for courses... He tied the Republican establishment in knots,
took the primary, and beat the Wonk Queen at her own game. Now he will
govern.


Most presidents have a honeymoon period to get their act together; he
has had nothing but animosity from the pundits, press, and two bit
'celebrities' since day one.


Why does anyone give credence to celebrities political viewpoints?


...insanity and idolatry.

I don't care what some famous person has to say. They're not any more
important than the rest of us.

You're right. Donald Trump is a perfect example.


One big difference is Trump is our President vs. celebrities hold no
position of authority.

Before he was President, he was a celebrity who parlayed
saying outrageous things into a popular television show
and notoriety on the news, and who inherited a lot of
money and has had mixed success in business, including
accusations of not paying vendors and welching on deals.
His habit of settling out of court makes it difficult
to find the facts on some of those accusations.

Those are not qualities that I really look for in a
President.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:29:45 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:19:39 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

Half my relatives are in The North and I had ancestors who fought for both sides. So family fighting amongst ourselves is nothing new. When it's all over we're still family but the Democrats simply found another underhanded way to enslave Negroes all over again. Democrats are racist *******s. ?( ?_?)?


Get into our family dispute we will jump you and beat your ass. We can
argue amongst ourselves, but stay out of it.

Why were the democrat females wearing white dresses yesterday in the
speech. Is that like a KKK hooded thing? White dresses matter or
what.

White dresses after Labor Day? I'm shocked!

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 17:17:56 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/1/2017 2:37 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 12:30:20 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:


After his speech last night it seems he is using his brains to fit in a
little better with the mainstream and unstoppable American political
system. He may be learning that he is little more than an ant in the
powerful juggernaut.


I would not put much faith in one speech. Trump has done it before.

You still don't get it.

Trump REALLY does love this country. He wants to make it great again. He
wants all those things he promised in his campaign because he believes
they will help this country be safer, stronger, more secure, and more
prosperous with jobs.


LOL. Thanks for that.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 03/02/2017 05:44 AM, wrote:


When I was able bodied, me and my friends did work for poor people
for little or no money, especially if they were elderly, disabled or
on a fixed income.
You won't find Hitlery Clinton supporters doing that sort of thing,
[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster



If we're getting out the tools and pitching in to help people -
- I'll take Jimmy Carter on my work crew, thank you very much.
I doubt that any of the billionaire elites, who buy their way into
American politics, would know which end of a hammer to hold -
.. especially the Scary Clown.

Carter was the closest thing to a human that served as president during
my lifetime. Unfortunately, he wasn't much of a president and had
inherited the problems Nixon had kicked down the road.

Even the failed rescue mission wasn't his fault. The military said they
could do it and they failed. Likewise, the mission that went sideways
wasn't Trump's fault. **** happens. Leading a country into war is the
fault of a president and his gang.

On 3/2/2017 8:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:15:18 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 3/1/2017 2:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 1:38:57 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 3/1/2017 12:16 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:21:00 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 2/28/2017 11:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/28/2017 08:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:34:17 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 2/28/2017 8:59 PM, wrote:
55 minutes into his address to congress, and for the first time he is,
in my opinion, coming across as not only sane but presidential.
Not sure what he's on, but make sure he has an uninterupted supply!!!!
He has stayed on topic without any "raving" and divisiveness.
Mabee I've misjudged the man -
Let's hope so.
We'll see.


There is not one thing different about Trump. That's who he is and he
was that same man on the campaign trial.
Not at ALL the same man as on the campaign trail. Not even close.


Horses for courses... He tied the Republican establishment in knots,
took the primary, and beat the Wonk Queen at her own game. Now he will
govern.


Most presidents have a honeymoon period to get their act together; he
has had nothing but animosity from the pundits, press, and two bit
'celebrities' since day one.


Why does anyone give credence to celebrities political viewpoints?


...insanity and idolatry.

I don't care what some famous person has to say. They're not any more
important than the rest of us.

You're right. Donald Trump is a perfect example.


One big difference is Trump is our President vs. celebrities hold no
position of authority.


Before he was President, he was a celebrity who parlayed
saying outrageous things into a popular television show

Before he was President, I didn't give him a second thought.

and notoriety on the news, and who inherited a lot of
money and has had mixed success in business, including
accusations of not paying vendors and welching on deals.

Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?

His habit of settling out of court makes it difficult
to find the facts on some of those accusations.

What's wrong with settling out of court?

Settling out of court can just mean you don't have the time to invest in
some lengthy process that demands your attention.

Those are not qualities that I really look for in a
President.

That's your prerogative.

I was looking to vote for a president, and it wasn't going to be
Hillary, either. It just turned out that I actually liked Trump.

--
Maggie

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 5:52:55 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 03/01/2017 02:28 PM, David B. wrote:



snip

they had hoped for. Despite the rhetoric, it's still going to be
business as usual. (Just a little bit worse.)

I've now watched most of his speech.

I'm hoping he will be a GREAT president of the USA! :-)




It would be nice but I don't see that as much of a possibility
In American elections there are always those idiots who are too lazy to
vote and I'm sure there were a few million in this last election that
fit that category.

However out of the 60 million or so who did not vote, a large percentage
HATED both Trump and Clinton.

Coupled to the 3 million majority votes that Clinton got, Trump has
started out with the majority of voters HATING him.


George Bush may not have been liked by some...but I know few people who
outright hated him.


Right from the start Trump is facing a huge handicap.


Had he started out by saying something to the effect that he knows not
everyone was in favor of him but he would work for all Americans, he
might have gotten some mileage with that.

Instead he whined like a 3 year old and complained about a rigged
election...even though he won it.


+1




Additionally, since it's know he is friendly toward Putin, since when is
it fashionable to be a commie sympathizer?


It's now the cool thing among the Trumpets. Trump says Putin is
cool and voila!, all is forgotten. NEver mind that he invaded Crimea,
took it by force, that he still has troops in half of the rest of
Ukraine. Forget about shooting down MH17 and bombing civilians in
Syria, instead of going after ISIS like Trump naively said he would
when Trump welcomed him into Syria. Forget about the fact that Russia
just clearly violated an arms control treaty dating back to Reagan,
by deploying new nuclear cruise missiles. No, Trumnp says Putin is
cool, so all hail Trump and Putin!



Trump has done way more that simply having shot himself in the foot.

Let's see what happens in just two weeks, when the bandaid they put on
the $20 tril debt expires. That presents a huge opportunity for Trump
to create more chaos and disruption, by throwing some gas on the fire.

On 03/02/2017 11:28 AM, trader_4 wrote:



snipped for brevity


+1




Additionally, since it's know he is friendly toward Putin, since when is
it fashionable to be a commie sympathizer?


It's now the cool thing among the Trumpets. Trump says Putin is
cool and voila!, all is forgotten. NEver mind that he invaded Crimea,
took it by force, that he still has troops in half of the rest of
Ukraine. Forget about shooting down MH17 and bombing civilians in
Syria, instead of going after ISIS like Trump naively said he would
when Trump welcomed him into Syria. Forget about the fact that Russia
just clearly violated an arms control treaty dating back to Reagan,
by deploying new nuclear cruise missiles. No, Trumnp says Putin is
cool, so all hail Trump and Putin!



Trump has done way more that simply having shot himself in the foot.

Let's see what happens in just two weeks, when the bandaid they put on
the $20 tril debt expires. That presents a huge opportunity for Trump
to create more chaos and disruption, by throwing some gas on the fire.



As to Russia, very stupid to try appeasement as so many of the
Republicans under Trump seem to support.

As Neville Chamberlain how that worked out with Hitler



also this


http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...et-unrealistic

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 23:22:53 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/1/2017 9:24 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:05:45 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:18:02 -0500, wrote:

The rich can put a lot of people to work!
And like in the early days of the south, they can work them to death
for peanuts.
Slavery
Sharecroppers
Nobody was without a job
They all worked "for the rich"

Did you get hired or ever work for a poor man?

When I was able bodied, me and my friends did work for poor people for little or no money, especially if they were elderly, disabled or on a fixed income. You won't find Hitlery Clinton supporters doing that sort of thing, especially the elite Commiecrats. They want to use the power of government to point a gun at you, take your money and give it away. ?(?)?

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

I'm more deplorable than you are -- neener Neener :-)


Did you see when Hillary was campaigning where she was talking about
"Nasty women vote"?? I couldn't believe she was campaigning using that
rhetoric!
It was in direct respose to Trump calling her a "nasty woman"
Her reply was "Nasty Women Vote (too)"

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:34:59 -0600
philo wrote:

From: philo

You are phony baloney, plastic banana, good-time rock and roll
pontificator

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 09:08:35 -0600, Muggles
wrote:
SNIPP

I don't care what some famous person has to say. They're not any more
important than the rest of us.

You're right. Donald Trump is a perfect example.


One big difference is Trump is our President vs. celebrities hold no
position of authority.


Before he was President, he was a celebrity who parlayed
saying outrageous things into a popular television show

Before he was President, I didn't give him a second thought.

and notoriety on the news, and who inherited a lot of
money and has had mixed success in business, including
accusations of not paying vendors and welching on deals.

Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?

I can show you hundreds of successfull business, run by successfull
businessmen with strong moral character who have never welched on a
deal, never failed to pay a vendor or subtrade, never declared
bankrupsy to avoid an inconvenience, and concientiously paid their
income taxes. Many have gone through hard times where a "lesser man"
would have declared corporate bankrupsy and walked away from their
obligations, without suffering at all from it - they stuck it out,
worked their asses off, and paid every cent they owed, with interest -
doing without themselves until every cent was paid back
And when they got back on their feet and did well, they put money into
the community in many ways,

Businessmen with the "business ethics" of Mr Trump generally get their
due rewards - here on earth. I've known a few who died rich and
friendless -even their families wanting nothing to do with them
because the "could not be trusted"

His habit of settling out of court makes it difficult
to find the facts on some of those accusations.

What's wrong with settling out of court?

Settling out of court can just mean you don't have the time to invest in
some lengthy process that demands your attention.

Those are not qualities that I really look for in a
President.

That's your prerogative.

I was looking to vote for a president, and it wasn't going to be
Hillary, either. It just turned out that I actually liked Trump.

On 3/2/2017 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 23:22:53 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/1/2017 9:24 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:05:45 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:18:02 -0500, wrote:

The rich can put a lot of people to work!
And like in the early days of the south, they can work them to death
for peanuts.
Slavery
Sharecroppers
Nobody was without a job
They all worked "for the rich"

Did you get hired or ever work for a poor man?

When I was able bodied, me and my friends did work for poor people for little or no money, especially if they were elderly, disabled or on a fixed income. You won't find Hitlery Clinton supporters doing that sort of thing, especially the elite Commiecrats. They want to use the power of government to point a gun at you, take your money and give it away. ?(?)?

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

I'm more deplorable than you are -- neener Neener :-)


Did you see when Hillary was campaigning where she was talking about
"Nasty women vote"?? I couldn't believe she was campaigning using that
rhetoric!

It was in direct respose to Trump calling her a "nasty woman"
Her reply was "Nasty Women Vote (too)"


What woman with any dignity at all would even say "Nasty women vote
too"?? The thing is some of the women she had backing her WERE nasty
women.

Claiming to be a 'deplorable' somehow just isn't equivalent to claiming
to be a 'nasty woman'. It didn't work at all for her or her campaign.

--
Maggie

On 3/2/2017 12:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 09:08:35 -0600, Muggles
wrote:
SNIPP

I don't care what some famous person has to say. They're not any more
important than the rest of us.

You're right. Donald Trump is a perfect example.


One big difference is Trump is our President vs. celebrities hold no
position of authority.


Before he was President, he was a celebrity who parlayed
saying outrageous things into a popular television show

Before he was President, I didn't give him a second thought.

and notoriety on the news, and who inherited a lot of
money and has had mixed success in business, including
accusations of not paying vendors and welching on deals.

Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?


I can show you hundreds of successfull business, run by successfull
businessmen with strong moral character who have never welched on a
deal, never failed to pay a vendor or subtrade, never declared
bankrupsy to avoid an inconvenience, and concientiously paid their
income taxes. Many have gone through hard times where a "lesser man"
would have declared corporate bankrupsy and walked away from their

See, there's the problem. You equate bankruptcy with the business owner
being a "lesser" person. Why? Failure of any business isn't equivalent
to having a questionable character.


obligations, without suffering at all from it - they stuck it out,
worked their asses off, and paid every cent they owed, with interest -
doing without themselves until every cent was paid back
And when they got back on their feet and did well, they put money into
the community in many ways,

Businessmen with the "business ethics" of Mr Trump generally get their
due rewards - here on earth. I've known a few who died rich and
friendless -even their families wanting nothing to do with them
because the "could not be trusted"

hmmm He appears to have a lot of friends, and his family is pretty
large, too. If he was THAT bad you'd think they would all abandon him.



--
Maggie

Per trader_4:
Let's see what happens in just two weeks, when the bandaid they put on
the $20 tril debt expires.

Last estimate (CBO?) I heard for the debt under current administration
proposals was 27 tril.
--
Pete Cresswell

Per Muggles:
Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?

My impression is that, at some point, Trump got out of the
building-stuff business because no contractor would agree to work for
him after he had stiffed so many of them.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 12:13:46 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/2/2017 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 23:22:53 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/1/2017 9:24 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:05:45 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:18:02 -0500, wrote:

The rich can put a lot of people to work!
And like in the early days of the south, they can work them to death
for peanuts.
Slavery
Sharecroppers
Nobody was without a job
They all worked "for the rich"

Did you get hired or ever work for a poor man?

When I was able bodied, me and my friends did work for poor people for little or no money, especially if they were elderly, disabled or on a fixed income. You won't find Hitlery Clinton supporters doing that sort of thing, especially the elite Commiecrats. They want to use the power of government to point a gun at you, take your money and give it away. ?(?)?

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

I'm more deplorable than you are -- neener Neener :-)


Did you see when Hillary was campaigning where she was talking about
"Nasty women vote"?? I couldn't believe she was campaigning using that
rhetoric!

It was in direct respose to Trump calling her a "nasty woman"
Her reply was "Nasty Women Vote (too)"


What woman with any dignity at all would even say "Nasty women vote
too"?? The thing is some of the women she had backing her WERE nasty
women.


You just don't get it.. You'll never get it. Nobody else can help that
you don't get it.
Claiming to be a 'deplorable' somehow just isn't equivalent to claiming
to be a 'nasty woman'. It didn't work at all for her or her campaign.

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 12:20:28 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/2/2017 12:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 09:08:35 -0600, Muggles
wrote:
SNIPP

I don't care what some famous person has to say. They're not any more
important than the rest of us.

You're right. Donald Trump is a perfect example.


One big difference is Trump is our President vs. celebrities hold no
position of authority.


Before he was President, he was a celebrity who parlayed
saying outrageous things into a popular television show

Before he was President, I didn't give him a second thought.

and notoriety on the news, and who inherited a lot of
money and has had mixed success in business, including
accusations of not paying vendors and welching on deals.

Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?


I can show you hundreds of successfull business, run by successfull
businessmen with strong moral character who have never welched on a
deal, never failed to pay a vendor or subtrade, never declared
bankrupsy to avoid an inconvenience, and concientiously paid their
income taxes. Many have gone through hard times where a "lesser man"
would have declared corporate bankrupsy and walked away from their

See, there's the problem. You equate bankruptcy with the business owner
being a "lesser" person. Why? Failure of any business isn't equivalent
to having a questionable character.

A VERY large percentage of (particularly small to medium) corporate
bankruptsies are "bankruptsies of convenience" or voluntary
bankruptsy, They take "the easy way out"
I personally know of a fair number of bankruptsies that should NEVER
have proceded - where the petitioner came back within a year or so,
bigger than ever, after having burned al his previous suppliers, under
a new business entity. Some have done it 3 or more times.
One had 3 "bankruptsies of convenience" before his 4th bankruptsy
that actually ended up setting him back - Karma is a nonforgiving
mistress!!!
I know another where the business owner had overextended himself -
leasing several expensive vehicles - a fancier tow truck than he
needed, plus fancy vehicles for himself and his wife/business partner.
They were putting in long hours to make it go, and he just decided he
wanted to make a change - and rather than wind the business down,
selling the assets to pay the bills (the assets were worth FAR more
than his debts) and paying the penalies to terminate the leases, he
just declared bankruptsy and walked away. The trustee just handed all
the equipment to the landlord in lieu of the last month's rent - and
the landloard leased the building, complete with all contents, to
another body shop. The landlord made out like a bandiit, the leasingf
company repossesed the vehicles, and the guy went to work for another
company driving their tow trucks.
It didn't cost him a red cent, and he hung all his creditors,
including family members, out to dry.
I don't think he learned anything out of the experience either.

"questionable character" was definitely involved in many of them.

obligations, without suffering at all from it - they stuck it out,
worked their asses off, and paid every cent they owed, with interest -
doing without themselves until every cent was paid back
And when they got back on their feet and did well, they put money into
the community in many ways,

Businessmen with the "business ethics" of Mr Trump generally get their
due rewards - here on earth. I've known a few who died rich and
friendless -even their families wanting nothing to do with them
because the "could not be trusted"

hmmm He appears to have a lot of friends, and his family is pretty
large, too. If he was THAT bad you'd think they would all abandon him.

How many friends would he have if he had a proven net worth of under
$250,000? His money and his image have a lot of friends.

On Thu, 02 Mar 2017 14:02:16 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per Muggles:
Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?

My impression is that, at some point, Trump got out of the
building-stuff business because no contractor would agree to work for
him after he had stiffed so many of them.
I know some local contractors in the same boat.
I know an organization who, due to "internal connections" contracted
to have their building built by this one particular contractor - and
virtually every subcontract was like pulling teeth - with bids coming
in at 200 to 300% of estimates. NOBODY wanted to work for the
contactor. The "inside connection" was the superintendent, and when HE
became the "contractor of record", calling for the bids on behalf of
the organization, the prices came right down where they belonged -
with multiple bids coming in because they knew they didn't have to
deal with the shyster that owned the contracting business for
payment..

The organization paid the subtrades directly -
My Dad used to do electrical work for the contractor, and he got to
the point he refused to da any work for him. He never got stiffed -
but he knew far too many who had. The contractor ended up being a land
speculator/developer after no-one would work for him any more.

On 3/2/2017 3:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 12:13:46 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/2/2017 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 23:22:53 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/1/2017 9:24 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:05:45 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:18:02 -0500, wrote:

The rich can put a lot of people to work!
And like in the early days of the south, they can work them to death
for peanuts.
Slavery
Sharecroppers
Nobody was without a job
They all worked "for the rich"

Did you get hired or ever work for a poor man?

When I was able bodied, me and my friends did work for poor people for little or no money, especially if they were elderly, disabled or on a fixed income. You won't find Hitlery Clinton supporters doing that sort of thing, especially the elite Commiecrats. They want to use the power of government to point a gun at you, take your money and give it away. ?(?)?

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

I'm more deplorable than you are -- neener Neener :-)


Did you see when Hillary was campaigning where she was talking about
"Nasty women vote"?? I couldn't believe she was campaigning using that
rhetoric!

It was in direct respose to Trump calling her a "nasty woman"
Her reply was "Nasty Women Vote (too)"


What woman with any dignity at all would even say "Nasty women vote
too"?? The thing is some of the women she had backing her WERE nasty
women.


You just don't get it.. You'll never get it. Nobody else can help that
you don't get it.


What exactly do you think I don't get??

Claiming to be a 'deplorable' somehow just isn't equivalent to claiming
to be a 'nasty woman'. It didn't work at all for her or her campaign.



--
Maggie

On 3/2/2017 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 12:20:28 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/2/2017 12:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 09:08:35 -0600, Muggles
wrote:
SNIPP

I don't care what some famous person has to say. They're not any more
important than the rest of us.

You're right. Donald Trump is a perfect example.


One big difference is Trump is our President vs. celebrities hold no
position of authority.


Before he was President, he was a celebrity who parlayed
saying outrageous things into a popular television show

Before he was President, I didn't give him a second thought.

and notoriety on the news, and who inherited a lot of
money and has had mixed success in business, including
accusations of not paying vendors and welching on deals.

Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?


I can show you hundreds of successfull business, run by successfull
businessmen with strong moral character who have never welched on a
deal, never failed to pay a vendor or subtrade, never declared
bankrupsy to avoid an inconvenience, and concientiously paid their
income taxes. Many have gone through hard times where a "lesser man"
would have declared corporate bankrupsy and walked away from their

See, there's the problem. You equate bankruptcy with the business owner
being a "lesser" person. Why? Failure of any business isn't equivalent
to having a questionable character.



A VERY large percentage of (particularly small to medium) corporate
bankruptsies are "bankruptsies of convenience" or voluntary
bankruptsy, They take "the easy way out"
I personally know of a fair number of bankruptsies that should NEVER
have proceded - where the petitioner came back within a year or so,
bigger than ever, after having burned al his previous suppliers, under
a new business entity. Some have done it 3 or more times.

How can you judge people you don't even know?

[...]


--
Maggie

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:50:30 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/2/2017 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 12:20:28 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/2/2017 12:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 09:08:35 -0600, Muggles
wrote:
SNIPP

I don't care what some famous person has to say. They're not any more
important than the rest of us.

You're right. Donald Trump is a perfect example.


One big difference is Trump is our President vs. celebrities hold no
position of authority.


Before he was President, he was a celebrity who parlayed
saying outrageous things into a popular television show

Before he was President, I didn't give him a second thought.

and notoriety on the news, and who inherited a lot of
money and has had mixed success in business, including
accusations of not paying vendors and welching on deals.

Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?


I can show you hundreds of successfull business, run by successfull
businessmen with strong moral character who have never welched on a
deal, never failed to pay a vendor or subtrade, never declared
bankrupsy to avoid an inconvenience, and concientiously paid their
income taxes. Many have gone through hard times where a "lesser man"
would have declared corporate bankrupsy and walked away from their

See, there's the problem. You equate bankruptcy with the business owner
being a "lesser" person. Why? Failure of any business isn't equivalent
to having a questionable character.



A VERY large percentage of (particularly small to medium) corporate
bankruptsies are "bankruptsies of convenience" or voluntary
bankruptsy, They take "the easy way out"
I personally know of a fair number of bankruptsies that should NEVER
have proceded - where the petitioner came back within a year or so,
bigger than ever, after having burned al his previous suppliers, under
a new business entity. Some have done it 3 or more times.

How can you judge people you don't even know?

[...]
I've KNOWN Them. Like I said - you don't GET it.
I "personally" "know" the two I mentioned. I've known the one all my
life, and the other all HIS life.

On 3/2/2017 7:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:50:30 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/2/2017 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 12:20:28 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/2/2017 12:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 09:08:35 -0600, Muggles
wrote:
SNIPP

I don't care what some famous person has to say. They're not any more
important than the rest of us.

You're right. Donald Trump is a perfect example.


One big difference is Trump is our President vs. celebrities hold no
position of authority.


Before he was President, he was a celebrity who parlayed
saying outrageous things into a popular television show

Before he was President, I didn't give him a second thought.

and notoriety on the news, and who inherited a lot of
money and has had mixed success in business, including
accusations of not paying vendors and welching on deals.

Show me a successful business that doesn't have that going on. Do you
know the details on those deals or why there is/was a dispute?


I can show you hundreds of successfull business, run by successfull
businessmen with strong moral character who have never welched on a
deal, never failed to pay a vendor or subtrade, never declared
bankrupsy to avoid an inconvenience, and concientiously paid their
income taxes. Many have gone through hard times where a "lesser man"
would have declared corporate bankrupsy and walked away from their

See, there's the problem. You equate bankruptcy with the business owner
being a "lesser" person. Why? Failure of any business isn't equivalent
to having a questionable character.



A VERY large percentage of (particularly small to medium) corporate
bankruptsies are "bankruptsies of convenience" or voluntary
bankruptsy, They take "the easy way out"
I personally know of a fair number of bankruptsies that should NEVER
have proceded - where the petitioner came back within a year or so,
bigger than ever, after having burned al his previous suppliers, under
a new business entity. Some have done it 3 or more times.


How can you judge people you don't even know?

[...]

I've KNOWN Them. Like I said - you don't GET it.
I "personally" "know" the two I mentioned. I've known the one all my
life, and the other all HIS life.


You weren't just talking about people you know, though.

--
Maggie

On 03/02/2017 10:20 AM, philo wrote:
I often worked in Chicago and one day I walked into a McDonalds on the
south side.

As soon as I got it I realized I was the only white person in there and
my first reaction was to get the hell out of there ASAP.


Of course my hunger over-ruled, I had lunch there and no one looked at
me twice and obviously nothing at all happened.

First time in my life I realized what African-Americans must feel like
in predominantly white society.

The first time I was in Chicago the desk clerk at the hotel said 'Enjoy
your stay. Just don't go south of Roosevelt Road'. A friend was at the
university and when I drove down to visit her I thought I'd stumbled
into another country.