On 05/10/2016 02:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 14:29:30 -0700, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 02:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:05:56 +0100, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

More dogmatically narrow minded than the most devout Jew, Muslim, or
southern Baptist Christian, by far.


Sometimes it takes you breath away. You are not even allowed to
broach things like global warming. It would be funny, but they
are trying to get people fired over it. And they become really
viscous.

Poor Stormin remains a total gentleman, even when I am pointing
not to him that Mormons believe something completely different
than do Christians. Had he been a Liberal, I would have gotten
flamed at a minimum.

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 4:44:43 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 02:35 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
On 05/08/2016 07:07 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
He's never pushed his faith on anyone. He mentions it his sig

That's pushing it on people.

He is only telling you what he is and where to follow up
if you are interested. That is not pushing things on anyone.

Seems to me that any mention of a religoun other than your own
(atheist) offends you. And that is religious intolerance.

I'm the one who posted that he's never pushed his faith on anyone. There do seem to be several people who resent the fact that he even is a religious man. I've found that people of faith are more likely to offer help to those in need than those who profess to have no belief in God. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Evil Monster


They are touching the face of God:

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say
unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the
least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."
Matthew 25:40

We are all so much better off having religious people around us.

Stormin is a complete gentleman about his religieuse beliefs.

When I was abled bodied, I did a lot of work for churches not because I shared their faith but because the people there were nice, wonderful folks. Of course these were small churches, I avoided mega churches because of the country club nose in the air attitude of the members. They have millions of dollars to play with, the small churches give what little they have. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Church Monster

On 05/10/2016 03:11 PM, Roy wrote:
On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-6, T wrote:

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

What a load of bull****.

Too Funny!

On 05/10/2016 06:20 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 19:51:25 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 21:52:52 +0100, Winston_Smith wrote:

Another of his special words he's made up to show he's a special
person. The rest of the world has a hard time figuring out what the
h*** he's talking about.

Why did you asterisk hell? Are you also a god botherer?

Common courtesy. Some people would be offended. I see no reason to
offend if it serves no purpose when there is a simple way to deal with
it.


I laugh the loudest in a movie when the cussing is bleeped
out. Danny DeVito's tirade in "What's the Worst That Could
Happen?" gets played over and over and over when I watch
the video. Hysterical.

On 5/10/2016 4:05 PM, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

Problem with quantum physics is that it is not unified,
meaning it does not incorporate gravity in its model.
String theory does.

We have a saying in our church. "Do not seek the truth
in science, for today's truths are always tomorrow's
falsehoods. But instead, seek the truth in Jesus Christ,
who is the way, the truth, and the light."

One of my most fascinating courses in college was the
history of science. It was all about tomorrow's
falsehoods. Caloric was a huge one.

My personal belief is that when the eight day comes
and all is revealed, that all our humanity's collective
knowledge and all our machines, we will have not scratched
one cell in God's finger.

I agree!

I also think that ever since the first human eye laid
sight on the first star in the sky, that we were meant to
go there. I look forward to the light barrier being
broken. I will probably have to watch that happen from
heaven.

And we have Saint Moses to thank for science:

Genius 1, 1-5 KJV
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided
the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And that was the beginning of science. The universe was
a creation of God and what we observed around us was nature,
not the work of petty human like gods and magic.

Glory be to God!
-T

String theory is really w-e-i-r-d.

I love it when I get to discuss the existence of God, but many people
just get angry or frustrated and won't actually "discuss" anything.

Does a person base their belief system on "what we know to be true"?
Well, "what we know to be true" can be challenged, and some people see
that sort of a challenge as heretical in nature because mankind is their
god. How dare I challenge the wisdom of learned men! Who am I that I
would even try? I do get that opportunity every now and then, though.

--
Maggie

On 5/10/2016 4:29 PM, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 02:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:05:56 +0100, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.



Many good points!

--
Maggie

There is no evidence of a greater power.

Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?

If there was one, there would be evidence,

There is evidence, but even evidence is subject to your individual
belief system.

and if
we have to worship it, he would ask for the worship.

Would you want to have to ask, or would you want such adoration given
freely to you?


And looking around you, you see God's hand in everything.

As I look around *me*, I see many different religions all guessing that
their particular strain is the *only* religion. I also see that religion
in the UK is dying out except for the primitive Muslim religions. It's
true that as people get more informed and intelligent that they are
realising how misguided they have been.
It wasn't that long ago that people were worshipping the Moon/ the Sun
and many other objects as their god. Even today there are Scientologist
idiots believing in Aliens etc.
If you read the Bible or the Koran, you'll see that they are both
contradictory all the way through and the *believers* cherry pick what
they want to hear.

--
Bod

On 10/05/2016 21:37, Muggles wrote:
On 5/10/2016 2:22 PM, T wrote:
On 05/08/2016 12:26 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/8/2016 1:33 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2016 04:03:28 +0100, Muggles
wrote:

On 5/7/2016 4:08 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2016 21:36:25 +0100, Winston_Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 07 May 2016 21:09:27 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

As intelligence increases with each generation, religion decreases.

Can you prove a decrease in religion results in an increase of
intelligence ? There seem to be examples to the contrary here.

I'd say the increase in intelligence causes the decrease in religion.
Clever folk realise what they've been taught is a load of ****e.


Religion is only the outward expression of a desire or acknowledgement
that a greater power exists beyond our own selves.


Yes I know what religion is, and it's nonsensical.

No, religion is a logical response to an inward sense that greatness
exists outside of being human.

There is no evidence of a greater power.

Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?

If there was one, there would be evidence,

There is evidence, but even evidence is subject to your individual
belief system.

and if
we have to worship it, he would ask for the worship.

Would you want to have to ask, or would you want such adoration given
freely to you?


And looking around you, you see God's hand in everything.

yeah ...

Hmm, like some innocent babies being born blind/ limbless etc?

sing "all things bright and wonderful, the lord god made them all".

Then recite "god made all men equal"

What a load of crap!!

--
Bod

On 10/05/2016 21:41, Muggles wrote:
On 5/10/2016 2:35 PM, T wrote:
On 05/08/2016 12:26 PM, Muggles wrote:
Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?


Hi Muggles,

I sometimes refer to God as the Master Bioengineer. :-)

My unscientific observation is that a lot of intelligent
folks do believe in God. Einstein's saying as "How did
he do it?" The more you realize you don't know, the
more humble you become and the more you realize their is
someone's hand in all this.

I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

First sentence of the Nicene Creed:
"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of
heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

Wisdom of Sirach, chapter 38, v6, KJV:
And he hath given men skill, that he might be
honoured in his marvellous works.

Glory be to God!
-T

Amen, T.

It also helps when you have a personal relationship with Jesus
(God) and one of his saints. Can we say "voices in our heads?"
:-)

...a constant discussion and conversation, I'd say.

Voices in the head is a sign of madness.

--
Bod

On 05/11/2016 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Even today there are Scientologist
idiots believing in Aliens etc.

Yes, Earth is the only planet with life in the universe.

On 10/05/2016 22:05, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

Problem with quantum physics is that it is not unified,
meaning it does not incorporate gravity in its model.
String theory does.

We have a saying in our church. "Do not seek the truth
in science, for today's truths are always tomorrow's
falsehoods. But instead, seek the truth in Jesus Christ,
who is the way, the truth, and the light."

One of my most fascinating courses in college was the
history of science. It was all about tomorrow's
falsehoods. Caloric was a huge one.

My personal belief is that when the eight day comes
and all is revealed, that all our humanity's collective
knowledge and all our machines, we will have not scratched
one cell in God's finger.

I also think that ever since the first human eye laid
sight on the first star in the sky, that we were meant to
go there. I look forward to the light barrier being
broken. I will probably have to watch that happen from
heaven.

And we have Saint Moses to thank for science:

Genius 1, 1-5 KJV
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided
the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And that was the beginning of science. The universe was
a creation of God and what we observed around us was nature,
not the work of petty human like gods and magic.

Glory be to God!
-T

String theory is really w-e-i-r-d.

Indeed, very similar to many religions, like Scientology/ Jehovah
Witlesses/ Moony loonies and Morons (sorry....Mormons, etc.

--
Bod

On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:10:49 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:05:56 +0100, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he wasn't hampered by religion?

Hampered? Tsk tsk tsk...you seem to think that religion is always an
impediment. Sad to see you are such a bigot and of the worst sort.
Frankly...you are no different than a far rightwing fundy snake
handler.

Gunner

On Tue, 10 May 2016 17:58:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2016 14:29:30 -0700, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 02:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:05:56 +0100, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

More dogmatically narrow minded than the most devout Jew, Muslim, or
southern Baptist Christian, by far.

Well put.

Gunner

On 10/05/2016 22:29, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 02:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:05:56 +0100, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.


Oh dear, you are so deluded that you even change the meaning of words
to suit yourself.

Atheism
noun
"a disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods".



--
Bod

On 10/05/2016 22:35, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
On 05/08/2016 07:07 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
He's never pushed his faith on anyone. He mentions it his sig

That's pushing it on people.

He is only telling you what he is and where to follow up
if you are interested. That is not pushing things on anyone.

Seems to me that any mention of a religoun other than your own
(atheist) offends you. And that is religious intolerance.

I'm the one who posted that he's never pushed his faith on anyone. There do seem to be several people who resent the fact that he even is a religious man. I've found that people of faith are more likely to offer help to those in need than those who profess to have no belief in God. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Evil Monster

What a load of tosh!
My wife and I both help out with charities and all of my family go out
of their way to help disadvantaged people. NONE of my family are religious.
The Vatican covers up the thousands of Catholic kiddie fiddlers.
*That's* not very charitable.


--
Bod

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

More dogmatically narrow minded than the most devout Jew, Muslim, or
southern Baptist Christian, by far.

Erm! I was bullied into going to church as a kid by a scarey Vicar.
Many Irish Catholics were also bullied and brainwashed to go to church.
Cross the line and you got kneecapped or tarred and feathered.
What lovely religious people.

--
Bod

On 10/05/2016 23:11, Roy wrote:
On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-6, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 02:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:05:56 +0100, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

What a load of bull****.
====

+1

--
Bod

On 10/05/2016 23:39, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 03:11 PM, Roy wrote:
On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-6, T wrote:

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

What a load of bull****.

Too Funny!

No, all religions are contradictory, even within their own religions.

--
Bod

On 05/11/2016 01:02 AM, Bod wrote:
On 10/05/2016 21:37, Muggles wrote:
On 5/10/2016 2:22 PM, T wrote:
On 05/08/2016 12:26 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/8/2016 1:33 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2016 04:03:28 +0100, Muggles

wrote:

On 5/7/2016 4:08 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2016 21:36:25 +0100, Winston_Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 07 May 2016 21:09:27 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

As intelligence increases with each generation, religion
decreases.

Can you prove a decrease in religion results in an increase of
intelligence ? There seem to be examples to the contrary here.

I'd say the increase in intelligence causes the decrease in
religion.
Clever folk realise what they've been taught is a load of ****e.


Religion is only the outward expression of a desire or
acknowledgement
that a greater power exists beyond our own selves.


Yes I know what religion is, and it's nonsensical.

No, religion is a logical response to an inward sense that greatness
exists outside of being human.

There is no evidence of a greater power.

Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?

If there was one, there would be evidence,

There is evidence, but even evidence is subject to your individual
belief system.

and if
we have to worship it, he would ask for the worship.

Would you want to have to ask, or would you want such adoration given
freely to you?


And looking around you, you see God's hand in everything.

yeah ...


Hmm, like some innocent babies being born blind/ limbless etc?

Hi Bod,

Long time no talk. Hope this find you well over on the island.

That is nature, not God's doing. And don't think for one second
that God doesn't notice.

Luke 12:7 KJV
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear
not therefo ye are of more value than many sparrows.

We also feel God presence around those who are helpless. This
is what Muggles and I an talking about.

And, by the way, we are servants of Christ. We are expected
to be his arms and legs. No sitting back and hitting others
over the head (taxes) and demanding that they take care of
the helpless, but not lifting a figer ourselves. It is
the deference between society, which is a blessing, and
government, which is to punish.

sing "all things bright and wonderful, the lord god made them all".

Yup. All things seen and unseen. You should feel our hearts
when we look at the stars. The universe is beyond our human
capability to comprehend (the hand of God).


Then recite "god made all men equal"

Colonel Colt made all men equal.

God loves each and every one of us.

What a load of crap!!

Watch out what you do unto the least of you. You
are also doing it unto God. That included the
rivers of blood from the abortionist's knife.

Guess you have never looked into someone's eyes and
seen the love of God.

I heard on Classic FM that there is yet another scandal
on your health care system. The elderly I think, but
I didn't pay too much attention.

If you guys ever send us back Madonna, the damage between
our two people will never be repairable. Don't even
think about it! She is YOURS now !!!!

-T

On 11/05/2016 02:20, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 19:51:25 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 21:52:52 +0100, Winston_Smith wrote:

Another of his special words he's made up to show he's a special
person. The rest of the world has a hard time figuring out what the
h*** he's talking about.

Why did you asterisk hell? Are you also a god botherer?

Common courtesy. Some people would be offended. I see no reason to
offend if it serves no purpose when there is a simple way to deal with
it.

But everyone knew what you said, why are you frightened of a word, it
isn't even a swearword. You obviously believe in *hell* and it's
regularly mentioned in the Bible (probably in the Koran too).
You believe in it, but can't bring yourself to say it....weird.

--
Bod

On 05/11/2016 12:52 AM, Bod wrote:

There is no evidence of a greater power.

Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?

If there was one, there would be evidence,

There is evidence, but even evidence is subject to your individual
belief system.

and if
we have to worship it, he would ask for the worship.

Would you want to have to ask, or would you want such adoration given
freely to you?


And looking around you, you see God's hand in everything.

As I look around *me*, I see many different religions all guessing that
their particular strain is the *only* religion. I also see that religion
in the UK is dying out except for the primitive Muslim religions. It's
true that as people get more informed and intelligent that they are
realising how misguided they have been.
It wasn't that long ago that people were worshipping the Moon/ the Sun
and many other objects as their god. Even today there are Scientologist
idiots believing in Aliens etc.
If you read the Bible or the Koran, you'll see that they are both
contradictory all the way through and the *believers* cherry pick what
they want to hear.


Oh brother. People fall away when they get affluent.

Cherry pick. Maybe. Christians are always in a state of
spiritual warfare. The Holy Spirit convicts us and eventually
we get better at following Jesus teachings.

Please do not lump the Koran and the Bible together. One
teaches hatred and violence to your neighbor, the other
teaches tolerance and love for your neighbor.

On 05/11/2016 01:12 AM, Rev W. W. Dubya wrote:
On 05/11/2016 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Even today there are Scientologist
idiots believing in Aliens etc.

Yes, Earth is the only planet with life in the universe.

It will be an absolute blast search for it once the
light barrier is broken.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided
the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And that was the beginning of science. The universe was
a creation of God and what we observed around us was nature,
not the work of petty human like gods and magic.

Glory be to God!
-T

String theory is really w-e-i-r-d.

I love it when I get to discuss the existence of God, but many people
just get angry or frustrated and won't actually "discuss" anything.

Does a person base their belief system on "what we know to be true"?
Well, "what we know to be true" can be challenged, and some people see
that sort of a challenge as heretical in nature because mankind is their
god. How dare I challenge the wisdom of learned men! Who am I that I
would even try? I do get that opportunity every now and then, though.

Do you discuss your beliefs with any Catholic pervert Priests?

--
Bod

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.



Many good points!

*Atheism* means *No religious beliefs*.
Are you that desperate that you have to change the meanings of words?


--
Bod

On 11/05/2016 09:12, Rev W. W. Dubya wrote:
On 05/11/2016 01:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Even today there are Scientologist
idiots believing in Aliens etc.

Yes, Earth is the only planet with life in the universe.

That is my *hunch* too, but you seem sure about it, so please supply
solid scientific proof of your claim!

--
Bod

On 11/05/2016 09:15, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 17:58:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2016 14:29:30 -0700, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 02:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:05:56 +0100, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

More dogmatically narrow minded than the most devout Jew, Muslim, or
southern Baptist Christian, by far.

Well put.

Gunner

"Kill every first born"....now where did I hear that said?...hmm.
Also....*Adam and Eve's incestuous family*...I heard that somewhere also.
I also heard the story about this thing called god deliberately making
childbirth extremely painful because of the actions of Adam & Eve.
What a kind and loving god.

--
Bod

On 11/05/2016 09:39, T wrote:
On 05/11/2016 01:02 AM, Bod wrote:
On 10/05/2016 21:37, Muggles wrote:
On 5/10/2016 2:22 PM, T wrote:
On 05/08/2016 12:26 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/8/2016 1:33 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2016 04:03:28 +0100, Muggles

wrote:

On 5/7/2016 4:08 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2016 21:36:25 +0100, Winston_Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 07 May 2016 21:09:27 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

As intelligence increases with each generation, religion
decreases.

Can you prove a decrease in religion results in an increase of
intelligence ? There seem to be examples to the contrary here.

I'd say the increase in intelligence causes the decrease in
religion.
Clever folk realise what they've been taught is a load of ****e.


Religion is only the outward expression of a desire or
acknowledgement
that a greater power exists beyond our own selves.


Yes I know what religion is, and it's nonsensical.

No, religion is a logical response to an inward sense that greatness
exists outside of being human.

There is no evidence of a greater power.

Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?

If there was one, there would be evidence,

There is evidence, but even evidence is subject to your individual
belief system.

and if
we have to worship it, he would ask for the worship.

Would you want to have to ask, or would you want such adoration given
freely to you?


And looking around you, you see God's hand in everything.

yeah ...


Hmm, like some innocent babies being born blind/ limbless etc?

Hi Bod,

Long time no talk. Hope this find you well over on the island.

That is nature, not God's doing. And don't think for one second
that God doesn't notice.

Luke 12:7 KJV
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear
not therefo ye are of more value than many sparrows.

We also feel God presence around those who are helpless. This
is what Muggles and I an talking about.

And, by the way, we are servants of Christ. We are expected
to be his arms and legs. No sitting back and hitting others
over the head (taxes) and demanding that they take care of
the helpless, but not lifting a figer ourselves. It is
the deference between society, which is a blessing, and
government, which is to punish.

sing "all things bright and wonderful, the lord god made them all".

Yup. All things seen and unseen. You should feel our hearts
when we look at the stars. The universe is beyond our human
capability to comprehend (the hand of God).


Then recite "god made all men equal"

Colonel Colt made all men equal.

God loves each and every one of us.

What a load of crap!!

Watch out what you do unto the least of you. You
are also doing it unto God. That included the
rivers of blood from the abortionist's knife.

Guess you have never looked into someone's eyes and
seen the love of God.

I heard on Classic FM that there is yet another scandal
on your health care system. The elderly I think, but
I didn't pay too much attention.

If you guys ever send us back Madonna, the damage between
our two people will never be repairable. Don't even
think about it! She is YOURS now !!!!

-T



She's your baggage, please take her back to her homeland ;-)

--
Bod

On 11/05/2016 09:43, T wrote:
On 05/11/2016 12:52 AM, Bod wrote:

There is no evidence of a greater power.

Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?

If there was one, there would be evidence,

There is evidence, but even evidence is subject to your individual
belief system.

and if
we have to worship it, he would ask for the worship.

Would you want to have to ask, or would you want such adoration given
freely to you?


And looking around you, you see God's hand in everything.

As I look around *me*, I see many different religions all guessing that
their particular strain is the *only* religion. I also see that religion
in the UK is dying out except for the primitive Muslim religions. It's
true that as people get more informed and intelligent that they are
realising how misguided they have been.
It wasn't that long ago that people were worshipping the Moon/ the Sun
and many other objects as their god. Even today there are Scientologist
idiots believing in Aliens etc.
If you read the Bible or the Koran, you'll see that they are both
contradictory all the way through and the *believers* cherry pick what
they want to hear.


Oh brother. People fall away when they get affluent.

Cherry pick. Maybe. Christians are always in a state of
spiritual warfare. The Holy Spirit convicts us and eventually
we get better at following Jesus teachings.

Please do not lump the Koran and the Bible together. One
teaches hatred and violence to your neighbor, the other
teaches tolerance and love for your neighbor.

Hmm! "an eye for an eye". What a lovely sentiment.
Which of those two categories does that quote come from?
Surely you're not cherry picking!!? Are you?



--
Bod

On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:06:45 +0100, Bod wrote:


More dogmatically narrow minded than the most devout Jew, Muslim, or
southern Baptist Christian, by far.

Well put.

Gunner

"Kill every first born"....now where did I hear that said?...hmm.
Also....*Adam and Eve's incestuous family*...I heard that somewhere also.
I also heard the story about this thing called god deliberately making
childbirth extremely painful because of the actions of Adam & Eve.
What a kind and loving god.

--
Bod

You will have to take it up with a Christian. Im certainly not one of
those.

Gunner

On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:32:59 +0100, Bod wrote:


I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

More dogmatically narrow minded than the most devout Jew, Muslim, or
southern Baptist Christian, by far.

Erm! I was bullied into going to church as a kid by a scarey Vicar.
Many Irish Catholics were also bullied and brainwashed to go to church.
Cross the line and you got kneecapped or tarred and feathered.
What lovely religious people.

Odd...I was raised Catholic, before I became Buddhist..and dont recall
any kneecappings or tar and feathers. Is this an English version of
some religion? Probably..afterall...you lads do do things rather
****ed up.

Gunner

On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:47:36 +0100, Bod wrote:


I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.



Many good points!

*Atheism* means *No religious beliefs*.
Are you that desperate that you have to change the meanings of words?

Absolutely incorrect. Your denial is rather pathetic

"Atheism, just another faith based religious belief"

Gunner

On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:16:35 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 10/05/2016 22:29, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 02:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 22:05:56 +0100, T wrote:

On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.


Oh dear, you are so deluded that you even change the meaning of words
to suit yourself.

Atheism
noun
"a disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods".

"Athiesm, just another faith based religious belief"

On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:44:50 +0100, Bod wrote:


And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided
the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And that was the beginning of science. The universe was
a creation of God and what we observed around us was nature,
not the work of petty human like gods and magic.

Glory be to God!
-T

String theory is really w-e-i-r-d.

I love it when I get to discuss the existence of God, but many people
just get angry or frustrated and won't actually "discuss" anything.

Does a person base their belief system on "what we know to be true"?
Well, "what we know to be true" can be challenged, and some people see
that sort of a challenge as heretical in nature because mankind is their
god. How dare I challenge the wisdom of learned men! Who am I that I
would even try? I do get that opportunity every now and then, though.

Do you discuss your beliefs with any Catholic pervert Priests?

Did you discuss your beliefs with any atheist perverts?

You do know those perverts come in all flavors..right? Of course you
do...you have likely tasted more than a few.

On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:03:05 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 10/05/2016 21:41, Muggles wrote:
On 5/10/2016 2:35 PM, T wrote:
On 05/08/2016 12:26 PM, Muggles wrote:
Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?


Hi Muggles,

I sometimes refer to God as the Master Bioengineer. :-)

My unscientific observation is that a lot of intelligent
folks do believe in God. Einstein's saying as "How did
he do it?" The more you realize you don't know, the
more humble you become and the more you realize their is
someone's hand in all this.

I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

First sentence of the Nicene Creed:
"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of
heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

Wisdom of Sirach, chapter 38, v6, KJV:
And he hath given men skill, that he might be
honoured in his marvellous works.

Glory be to God!
-T

Amen, T.

It also helps when you have a personal relationship with Jesus
(God) and one of his saints. Can we say "voices in our heads?"
:-)

...a constant discussion and conversation, I'd say.

Voices in the head is a sign of madness.

Tell that to a telepath.

On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:12:00 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 10/05/2016 22:05, T wrote:
On 05/10/2016 01:41 PM, Muggles wrote:
I love to discuss quantum physics in relation to outer space in
discussions about belief in God. How is time measured in space, how do
we know time has always been constant there since many people like to
put a number on the age of the universe and use that as evidence to
estimate the age of the Earth.

I've had some VERY interesting discussions like that!

Hi Muggles,

Something I have found interesting is Einstein's take on
quantum physics. He did not believe it to be correct
because "God is not random". And indeed the theory
which is starting to replace quantum physics, called
String Theory, is not random.

Problem with quantum physics is that it is not unified,
meaning it does not incorporate gravity in its model.
String theory does.

We have a saying in our church. "Do not seek the truth
in science, for today's truths are always tomorrow's
falsehoods. But instead, seek the truth in Jesus Christ,
who is the way, the truth, and the light."

One of my most fascinating courses in college was the
history of science. It was all about tomorrow's
falsehoods. Caloric was a huge one.

My personal belief is that when the eight day comes
and all is revealed, that all our humanity's collective
knowledge and all our machines, we will have not scratched
one cell in God's finger.

I also think that ever since the first human eye laid
sight on the first star in the sky, that we were meant to
go there. I look forward to the light barrier being
broken. I will probably have to watch that happen from
heaven.

And we have Saint Moses to thank for science:

Genius 1, 1-5 KJV
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided
the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And that was the beginning of science. The universe was
a creation of God and what we observed around us was nature,
not the work of petty human like gods and magic.

Glory be to God!
-T

String theory is really w-e-i-r-d.

Indeed, very similar to many religions, like Scientology/ Jehovah
Witlesses/ Moony loonies and Morons (sorry....Mormons, etc.

And of course to many political beliefs

On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:52:17 +0100, Bod wrote:

And looking around you, you see God's hand in everything.

As I look around *me*, I see many different religions all guessing that
their particular strain is the *only* religion.

Many? I see only a couple, Islam being the primary one.

Or did you somehow forget about the Reformation way back in the 1600s?

Gunner

On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:15:21 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 11/05/2016 09:43, T wrote:
On 05/11/2016 12:52 AM, Bod wrote:

There is no evidence of a greater power.

Who designed the human nervous system? What sort of intelligence would
it take to get it to function correctly?

If there was one, there would be evidence,

There is evidence, but even evidence is subject to your individual
belief system.

and if
we have to worship it, he would ask for the worship.

Would you want to have to ask, or would you want such adoration given
freely to you?


And looking around you, you see God's hand in everything.

As I look around *me*, I see many different religions all guessing that
their particular strain is the *only* religion. I also see that religion
in the UK is dying out except for the primitive Muslim religions. It's
true that as people get more informed and intelligent that they are
realising how misguided they have been.
It wasn't that long ago that people were worshipping the Moon/ the Sun
and many other objects as their god. Even today there are Scientologist
idiots believing in Aliens etc.
If you read the Bible or the Koran, you'll see that they are both
contradictory all the way through and the *believers* cherry pick what
they want to hear.


Oh brother. People fall away when they get affluent.

Cherry pick. Maybe. Christians are always in a state of
spiritual warfare. The Holy Spirit convicts us and eventually
we get better at following Jesus teachings.

Please do not lump the Koran and the Bible together. One
teaches hatred and violence to your neighbor, the other
teaches tolerance and love for your neighbor.

Hmm! "an eye for an eye". What a lovely sentiment.
Which of those two categories does that quote come from?
Surely you're not cherry picking!!? Are you?

Actually..he isnt. Calls for revenge are very..very limited in the
OLD Testement...yet are written in hundreds of Sutras in the Quoran

Care to provide cites for any in the New Testement?

Take as much space as necessary

Gunner

On 11/05/2016 10:16, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:06:45 +0100, Bod wrote:


More dogmatically narrow minded than the most devout Jew, Muslim, or
southern Baptist Christian, by far.

Well put.

Gunner

"Kill every first born"....now where did I hear that said?...hmm.
Also....*Adam and Eve's incestuous family*...I heard that somewhere also.
I also heard the story about this thing called god deliberately making
childbirth extremely painful because of the actions of Adam & Eve.
What a kind and loving god.

--
Bod

You will have to take it up with a Christian. Im certainly not one of
those.

Gunner

I've brought up two boys and they are both loving and kind. Neither
believes in *any* religion (their own choice). No one needs an imaginary
being to be a good human being.

--
Bod

On 11/05/2016 10:18, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:32:59 +0100, Bod wrote:


I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.

More dogmatically narrow minded than the most devout Jew, Muslim, or
southern Baptist Christian, by far.

Erm! I was bullied into going to church as a kid by a scarey Vicar.
Many Irish Catholics were also bullied and brainwashed to go to church.
Cross the line and you got kneecapped or tarred and feathered.
What lovely religious people.

Odd...I was raised Catholic, before I became Buddhist..and dont recall
any kneecappings or tar and feathers. Is this an English version of
some religion? Probably..afterall...you lads do do things rather
****ed up.

Gunner

Er, this was the *Irish*, *not* the English. The Irish Catholic IRA even
bombed several of our English cities causing death and carnage.
*That's* religion for you.

--
Bod

On 11/05/2016 10:19, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:47:36 +0100, Bod wrote:


I wonder how many more things Einstein could have discovered if he
wasn't hampered by religion?


Einstein was driven by "How did he do it". So I have to say,
no. He probably would have just been mediocre.

"hampered by religion"? You lead an insular life.

Often times, those that say they don't believe in religion,
get caught up in religions by other names, such a secular humanism,
atheism, Liberalism, global warming (which is not science, but religoun).

Liberalism, which tells you what you can eat, what you can
wear, who you can speak with, what you can drive, yada, yada,
yada, is far more restrictive than Christianity. Hell,
Liberalism even tells you what you can think (political
correctness).

A lot of atheists are very religious people.



Many good points!

*Atheism* means *No religious beliefs*.
Are you that desperate that you have to change the meanings of words?

Absolutely incorrect. Your denial is rather pathetic

"Atheism, just another faith based religious belief"

Gunner

Ok, what religion do I believe in?
You *can't* say Atheism, because the very word is self explanatory, ie;
Non believer in ANY religion. Please elucidate?

--
Bod