I'm sure I speak for all the Canadians in here, including Home Guy, when I give a great big Thank You to the US Navy for towing HMCS Protecteur into Pearl Harbour for repairs.

HMCS (Her Majesty's Canadian Ship) Protecteur is a supply ship that had a fire in it's engine room last night. The entire crew was up all night fighting the blaze but managed to get it put out by morning. However, the morning saw the ship was floating powerless in the Pacific Ocean about 380 miles north east of Pearl Harbour. There were only minor injuries to some crew members as a result of the fire.

The US Navy is sending it's guided missle cruiser USS Chosin to tow our crippled vessel into Pearl Harbour for repairs to it's engines. Canada will undoubtedly be paying the US Navy for the repair work needed to the Protecteur, and the crew of the Protecteur will be flown back to Canada while the repairs are done.

Obviously, the Canadian Navy will do an investigation to find out how that fire started. Fires on ships have always been the most dire of emergencies because you can't retreat from the fire. You either put it out, or you jump in the water and hope to Gawd that someone finds you before the sharks do.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=HMCS+...ved =0CCYQqAI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Chosin_(CG-65)

On 3/1/2014 6:55 PM, nestork wrote:
I'm sure I speak for all the Canadians in here, including Home Guy, when
I give a great big Thank You to the US Navy for towing HMCS Protecteur
into Pearl Harbour.

HMCS (Her Majesty's Canadian Ship) Protecteur is a supply ship that had
a fire in it's engine room last night. The entire crew was up all night
fighting the blaze but managed to get it put out by morning. However,
the end result was that by morning, the ship was floating powerless in
the Pacific Ocean about 180 miles north of Pearl Harbour.

The US Navy is sending it's ship USS Chosen to tow our crippled vessel
into Pearl Harbour for repairs to it's engines. Canada will undoubtedly
be paying the US Navy for the repair work needed to the Protecteur, and
the crew of the Protecteur will be flown back to Canada while the
repairs are done.

Obviously, the Canadian Navy will do an investigation to find out how
that fire started. Fires on ships have always been the most dire of
emergencies because you can't retreat from the fire. You either put it
out, or you jump in the water and hope to Gawd that someone finds you
before the sharks do.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...fire-1.2555354

By golly, that made the news. I hope no one was injured.

I hope the US craft was able to validate your auto club
membership before the tow?


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Learn about Jesus
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..

On 3/1/14 6:39 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...fire-1.2555354


By golly, that made the news. I hope no one was injured.

I hope the US craft was able to validate your auto club
membership before the tow?

We in the U.S. probably owe the Canadians. They, the Aussies, and
Kiwis are probably the most loyal allies. Then there are those other
loyal fellas on the east side of the big pond that almost speak American.

nestork wrote:

I'm sure I speak for all the Canadians in here, including Home Guy,
when I give a great big Thank You to the US Navy for towing HMCS
Protecteur into Pearl Harbour.

--------
In 1991, Protecteur was part of the Canadian contingent sent to the
Persian Gulf as part of Operation Desert Shield and later Operation
Friction (the Canadian name for its operations during the Gulf War). The
ship, part of a three-vessel force, the other two being the
Iroquois-class destroyers Athabaskan and Terra Nova, saw extensive
service in the Central Gulf. The ship was honoured with the Gulf and
Kuwait Medal for her service in the war.

In 1992, the Protecteur was sent to help after Hurricane Andrew in
Florida, with tasks including repairing schools, community centres, and
hospitals in the region. A small pool was built on the helipad of the
Protecteur providing some relief to hurricane ravaged Floridians.

On 19 September 2011, Protecteur departed from CFB Esquimalt for a two
month deployment off southern California as part of the USS Abraham
Lincoln carrier strike group. Protecteur joined the destroyer Algonquin
and the frigate Ottawa in Fleet Week activities in San Diego,
California, between 26 and 30 September 2011.
---------

The US Navy is sending it's ship USS Chosen to tow our crippled
vessel into Pearl Harbour for repairs to it's engines. Canada
will undoubtedly be paying the US Navy for the repair work
needed to the Protecteur, and the crew of the Protecteur will
be flown back to Canada while the repairs are done.

I'd say that the Protecteur has done a yeoman's service for the US navy
and has served the US well as a tool for it's twisted foreign policy
over the years.

It was the least the US could do to come to the ship's aid and tow it
back to Pearl Harbor.

It is probably all for naught, as the ship was scheduled to be
decommissioned in 2017. It is highly likely that if the ship's boiler
or propulsion system was damaged, it might not be repairable anywhere -
let alone in Pearl Harbor - which would in effect strand it in Hawaii
and make it a hot potato. Based on what little we know right now, I'd
say there's easily a 50/50 chance that the ship is now destined to
become an artificial reef near Hawaii.

On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 00:55:45 +0100, nestork
wrote:

I'm sure I speak for all the Canadians in here, including Home Guy, when
I give a great big Thank You to the US Navy for towing HMCS Protecteur
into Pearl Harbour.

Don't count on Home Guy. He enjoys being miserable.

But...HMCS Protecteur goes out of service in 2017?

"Lack of spare parts for the ship's boiler and the fact that she is a
monohull tanker have been the main driving points to replacing
Protecteur and her sister ship"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Protecteur_(AOR_509)

On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:13:00 -0600, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

We in the U.S. probably owe the Canadians. They, the Aussies, and
Kiwis are probably the most loyal allies. Then there are those other
loyal fellas on the east side of the big pond that almost speak American.

You mean Turkey? g

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations

On 3/1/2014 5:55 PM, nestork wrote:

I'm sure I speak for all the Canadians in here, including Home Guy,
when I give a great big Thank You to the US Navy for towing HMCS
Protecteur into Pearl Harbour.

HMCS (Her Majesty's Canadian Ship) Protecteur is a supply ship that
had a fire in it's engine room last night. The entire crew was up
all night fighting the blaze but managed to get it put out by
morning. However, the end result was that by morning, the ship was
floating powerless in the Pacific Ocean about 180 miles north of
Pearl Harbour.

The US Navy is sending it's ship USS Chosen to tow our crippled
vessel into Pearl Harbour for repairs to it's engines. Canada will
undoubtedly be paying the US Navy for the repair work needed to the
Protecteur, and the crew of the Protecteur will be flown back to
Canada while the repairs are done.

Obviously, the Canadian Navy will do an investigation to find out
how that fire started. Fires on ships have always been the most dire
of emergencies because you can't retreat from the fire. You either
put it out, or you jump in the water and hope to Gawd that someone
finds you before the sharks do.

My Canadian cousins are wonderful people and Americans will always come
to their aid when called. We share a continent and a lot of common
heritage. We are family, even if the Canucks talk funny. ^_^

TDD

On 3/1/2014 10:43 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 00:55:45 +0100, nestork
wrote:

I'm sure I speak for all the Canadians in here, including Home Guy,
when I give a great big Thank You to the US Navy for towing HMCS
Protecteur into Pearl Harbour.

Don't count on Home Guy. He enjoys being miserable.

But...HMCS Protecteur goes out of service in 2017?

"Lack of spare parts for the ship's boiler and the fact that she is
a monohull tanker have been the main driving points to replacing
Protecteur and her sister ship"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Protecteur_(AOR_509)

All of the Canadians I've ever met or dealt with have been great folks.
Homo Gay is an anomaly and should be euthanized to prevent the spread of
its particular disease. o_O

TDD

On 3/1/2014 8:13 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 3/1/14 6:39 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...fire-1.2555354



By golly, that made the news. I hope no one was injured.

I hope the US craft was able to validate your auto club
membership before the tow?

We in the U.S. probably owe the Canadians. They, the Aussies, and
Kiwis are probably the most loyal allies. Then there are those other
loyal fellas on the east side of the big pond that almost speak American.

At least the Canadians don't send us millions
of diseased people who want taxpayer money.

Of course, that's mostly account of our US
gov, who practices trap and release, and who
dispenses taxpayer money to illegals. What
you fund, increases. Stop funding, and it
fades away.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

In article ,
nestork wrote:


Obviously, the Canadian Navy will do an investigation to find out how
that fire started. Fires on ships have always been the most dire of
emergencies because you can't retreat from the fire. You either put it
out, or you jump in the water and hope to Gawd that someone finds you
before the sharks do.

I could suggest that the Canadians obviously outsourced their ship
maintenance to Carnival Cruise Lines... but I won't.
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

The Full-Quoting Daring Doorknob wrote:

My Canadian cousins are wonderful people and Americans will always
come to their aid when called.

Just like the Russians are coming to Ukraine's aid - eh?

We share a continent and a lot of common heritage. We are family
even if they talk funny.

Exactly the same reason that Putin is giving.

With friends like US, Canada doesn't need enemies. All the trade
bull**** you people pull in spite of having treaties and agreements in
place. We bent over backwards on 9/11 when hundreds if not thousands of
americans had to land in Canada from overseas flights, we took you into
our homes where-ever you landed, and still we're treated like North
Koreans at the US/Canada border.

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:18:55 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
The Full-Quoting Daring Doorknob wrote:



My Canadian cousins are wonderful people and Americans will always

come to their aid when called.



Just like the Russians are coming to Ukraine's aid - eh?


The Ukranian national govt didn't ask the Russians to come help.
They specifically are telling them to get the hell out. See
the difference, idiot?





We share a continent and a lot of common heritage. We are family

even if they talk funny.



Exactly the same reason that Putin is giving.



The US hasn't sent troops into Canada with the Canadian
govt telling them to stay out. Idiot





With friends like US, Canada doesn't need enemies. All the trade

bull**** you people pull in spite of having treaties and agreements in

place. We bent over backwards on 9/11 when hundreds if not thousands of

americans had to land in Canada from overseas flights, we took you into

our homes where-ever you landed, and still we're treated like North

Koreans at the US/Canada border.

Liar. You wouldn't even know what goes on at the border.
You hate the US, so why would you ever go anywhere near the border?
Hell, last week you didn't even know that US Customs is part of
Homeland Security.

The full-quoting door knob trader4 @ optonline.net wrote:

Just like the Russians are coming to Ukraine's aid - eh?

The Ukranian national govt didn't ask the Russians to come help.
They specifically are telling them to get the hell out. See
the difference, idiot?

===============
Russian Foreign Ministry cites threats, call for help from Aksenov

Meanwhile, Russia's Foreign Ministry justified incursions by saying that
Sergei Aksenov, the newly installed Crimean prime minister, asked for
the Kremlin’s help in bringing public order to the region.

Moreover, Aksenov issued a statement calling on Crimean voters to vote
in a March 30 referendum to decide among three choices: "to retain its
current status as an autonomous republic within Ukraine, to become an
independent state, or to become part of Russia." Aksenov moved up the
referendum date from the previously scheduled May 25 date.

Aksenov also claimed March 1 to have command of all military forces,
police and other security services in the region. He declared that the
armed forces, the police, the national security service and border
guards will answer only to his orders. He says that any commanders who
don't agree should leave their posts.

Aksenov, the head of the main pro-Russia party in the region, was
appointed by the Crimean parliament on Feb. 27 as tensions soared over
Crimea's resistance to the new authorities in Kyiv who replaced ousted
President Viktor Yanukovych and his former top officials. Aksenov
replaced Yanukovych's appointee, Anatoly Mogilev, the former interior
minister.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...es-337942.html
==============

Sergei Aksenov is the prime minister of the Crimea - the area of Ukraine
that Russian soldiers are now present in.

Something else you are apparently ignorant of is that Russia has
military and naval installations on Ukrainian soil - something that
makes their "interest" in the area somewhat compelling.

There is no doubt that the US would reinforce and distribute troops in
any similar border area of Canada that was undergoing civil or political
breakdown, especially if the US military had assets in the area.

We share a continent and a lot of common heritage. We are family
even if they talk funny.

Exactly the same reason that Putin is giving.

The US hasn't sent troops into Canada with the Canadian
govt telling them to stay out. Idiot

It happened in 1812 - 1814. It could happen again if a power vacuum and
resulting loss of civil control or confusion happened in any area of
Canada close to the US border.

and still we're treated like North Koreans at the US/Canada border.

Liar. You wouldn't even know what goes on at the border.

I've crossed the US/Canada border hundreds if not thousands of times
over the past 30-odd years. The average Canadian is FAR MORE
knowledgable about what happens at that border than the average
american. Any Canadian you talk to will tell you that US customs and
Immigration agents are pricks to Canadians who enter the US for
shopping, vacations, etc, in spite of the fact that your economy
(especially that of northern border cities) desperately needs the
commerce that comes from cross-border Canadian shoppers.

You hate the US

Again, like a typical american - you confuse criticism with hatred.

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:35:04 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
The full-quoting door knob trader4 @ optonline.net wrote:



Just like the Russians are coming to Ukraine's aid - eh?



The Ukranian national govt didn't ask the Russians to come help.

They specifically are telling them to get the hell out. See

the difference, idiot?



===============

Russian Foreign Ministry cites threats, call for help from Aksenov



Meanwhile, Russia's Foreign Ministry justified incursions by saying that

Sergei Aksenov, the newly installed Crimean prime minister, asked for

the Kremlin’s help in bringing public order to the region.



That isn't the national govt of Ukraine calling for Russia to
intervene. It's a commie puppet who just managed to get himself installed
as prime minister of Crimea. But Crimea is still part of the Ukraine
and subject to it's constitution, national govt, and armed forces. This is like
saying if Rob Ford invited the Russians into Toronto, that makes it
OK. Or a better example, if the chief executive of Hong Kong, invited
the USA to invade Hong Kong. How do you think that would go over
with China and international law?





Moreover, Aksenov issued a statement calling on Crimean voters to vote

in a March 30 referendum to decide among three choices: "to retain its

current status as an autonomous republic within Ukraine, to become an

independent state, or to become part of Russia." Aksenov moved up the

referendum date from the previously scheduled May 25 date.



Aksenov also claimed March 1 to have command of all military forces,

police and other security services in the region. He declared that the

armed forces, the police, the national security service and border

guards will answer only to his orders. He says that any commanders who

don't agree should leave their posts.


Which clearly he has no authority to do. Why is it that you always
side with the most repressive, commie regimes? You think Putin is a
swell guy with good intentions? Just look at what he's supporting in
Syria. You have 150,000 dead, the military dropping barrel bombs
indiscriminantly on civilians, Assad using nerve gas, and Putin is
supplying arms and backing him up while the world condemns it.




Aksenov, the head of the main pro-Russia party in the region, was


Something else you are apparently ignorant of is that Russia has

military and naval installations on Ukrainian soil - something that

makes their "interest" in the area somewhat compelling.


Nothing has threatened those military installations in any way.
Ukrainian forces haven't done a thing.
I suppose the USA should just invade Cuba because Gitmo is there.
Of course if that happened, why it would be a whole different
story, because you're a commie pinko bed wetter that hates the USA.






There is no doubt that the US would reinforce and distribute troops in

any similar border area of Canada that was undergoing civil or political

breakdown, especially if the US military had assets in the area.


BS. Not unless the legitimate Canadian govt couldn't control
it and asked for help. This is like the US invading Toronto
because Rob Ford smoked some crack and asked for it.







I've crossed the US/Canada border hundreds if not thousands of times

over the past 30-odd years. The average Canadian is FAR MORE

knowledgable about what happens at that border than the average

american. Any Canadian you talk to will tell you that US customs and

Immigration agents are pricks to Canadians who enter the US for

shopping, vacations, etc, in spite of the fact that your economy

(especially that of northern border cities) desperately needs the

commerce that comes from cross-border Canadian shoppers.


I'm sure you're lying again. With your blind hatred of all things
USA, why would you come here? Go visit Putin and kiss his ass. Try saying
some things about him that you've said about Bush, the USA etc and
see what happens to you.




You hate the US



Again, like a typical american - you confuse criticism with hatred.

No I don't. You're a total hateful loon and everyone here knows it.

trader4 @ optonline.net" wrote:

So, if this is a US thing and Russia is right and justified in what
Putin is doing, why is it that Canada, Britain, France, Germany and
8 other European countries are all agreeing with the US position,
that the Russian invasion is illegal and unwarranted?

Because the west can do nothing but posture.

Anyone who thinks that Russia would do nothing and lose political
control or affiliation with Ukraine (especially the Crimea - with
Sevastopol) is crazy.

By all accounts, most of the population of that region feel more like
ethnic Russians anyways, so for them it's a matter of fighting the
western half of Ukraine as they try to tear them *away* from Russia.

trader4 @ optonline.net, using double-spaced formating, wrote:

Aksenov also claimed March 1 to have command of all military forces,
police and other security services in the region. He declared that
the armed forces, the police, the national security service and
border guards will answer only to his orders. He says that any
commanders who don't agree should leave their posts.

Which clearly he has no authority to do.

===========
Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine and is
governed by the Constitution of Crimea in accordance with the laws of
Ukraine. The capital and administrative seat of the republic's
government is the city of Simferopol, located in the centre of the
peninsula. Crimea's area is 26,200 square kilometres (10,100 sq mi) and
its population was 1,973,185 as of 2007. These figures do not include
the area and population of the City of Sevastopol (2007 population:
379,200), which is administratively separate from the autonomous
republic. The peninsula thus has 2,352,385 people (2007 estimate).
===========

It's a complicated area of the world, and the politics of who ultimately
controls or governs it is certainly not clear to us.

In article , Home Guy "Home"@Guy. com
wrote:

===========
Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine and is
governed by the Constitution of Crimea in accordance with the laws of
Ukraine.
It is a SEMI-autonomous area within the Ukraine. Haven't seen
anything that suggests they have control over such things as inviting
people to invade.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

Kurt Ullman wrote:

===========
Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine

It is a SEMI-autonomous area within the Ukraine.

Says what authoritative source?

Haven't seen anything that suggests they have control over such
things as inviting people to invade.

Not all rules, regulations or rights are specifically enumerated in a
constitution. Any american should know that.

Do you have the right to put cream in your coffee? Where is it written?

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:38:15 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
trader4 @ optonline.net" wrote:



So, if this is a US thing and Russia is right and justified in what

Putin is doing, why is it that Canada, Britain, France, Germany and

8 other European countries are all agreeing with the US position,

that the Russian invasion is illegal and unwarranted?



Because the west can do nothing but posture.


What they can or cannot do has nothing to do with the fact
that all these countries agree that what Russia is doing
violates international law and is an invasion of the Ukraine.
A rape is still a rape, whether anyone does anything about it
or not. And we have a dozen countries, not just the USA,
condemning what Putin has done. Including *your* country,
Canada, so why aren't you out there demonstrating and bitching
about that, instead of what the USA is doing? On the other side,
we have Putin, his Crimean puppet and you.....




Anyone who thinks that Russia would do nothing and lose political

control or affiliation with Ukraine (especially the Crimea - with

Sevastopol) is crazy.


WTF should Putin and Russia have political control of the Crimea?
Should the US have political control of Toronto?



By all accounts, most of the population of that region feel more like

ethnic Russians anyways, so for them it's a matter of fighting the

western half of Ukraine as they try to tear them *away* from Russia.

Which would you rather be affiliated with? Western Europe, ie Germany,
France, UK, Italy, Switzerland with a tradition of freedom for individuals,
open, fair elections, freedom of the press, or Russia and Putin?

But you do have a point, if those in the eastern Ukraine are dumb
enough to subjugate themselves to Russia, run by the former KGB and
they want to do so in a fair and internationally supervised election,
then that's their choice. Maybe they've forgotten the long lines for
food, the KGB, the gulags, the 20 million dead under Stalin. Putin
wants to put all that back into place. Now ask yourself, is giving the
people in the Crimea that choice in a fair referendum supported by Russia invading the place? Idiot.

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:47:31 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
trader4 @ optonline.net, using double-spaced formating, wrote:



Aksenov also claimed March 1 to have command of all military forces,

police and other security services in the region. He declared that

the armed forces, the police, the national security service and

border guards will answer only to his orders. He says that any

commanders who don't agree should leave their posts.



Which clearly he has no authority to do.



===========

Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine and is

governed by the Constitution of Crimea in accordance with the laws of

Ukraine. The capital and administrative seat of the republic's

government is the city of Simferopol, located in the centre of the

peninsula. Crimea's area is 26,200 square kilometres (10,100 sq mi) and

its population was 1,973,185 as of 2007. These figures do not include

the area and population of the City of Sevastopol (2007 population:

379,200), which is administratively separate from the autonomous

republic. The peninsula thus has 2,352,385 people (2007 estimate).

===========



It's a complicated area of the world, and the politics of who ultimately

controls or governs it is certainly not clear to us.

It was to you a minute a go, idiot. And it is clear that the Ukraine govt
has the ultimate control, certainly in regard to asking for Russia to invade.

Home Guy wrote:
trader4 @ optonline.net" wrote:

So, if this is a US thing and Russia is right and justified in what
Putin is doing, why is it that Canada, Britain, France, Germany and
8 other European countries are all agreeing with the US position,
that the Russian invasion is illegal and unwarranted?

Because the west can do nothing but posture.

Anyone who thinks that Russia would do nothing and lose political
control or affiliation with Ukraine (especially the Crimea - with
Sevastopol) is crazy.

By all accounts, most of the population of that region feel more like
ethnic Russians anyways, so for them it's a matter of fighting the
western half of Ukraine as they try to tear them *away* from Russia.


It seems that what Putin is saying and doing is very like what Hitler
said and did when he first started seizing territory. No country
suffered more from the nazis than Russia (actually the Soviet Union) and
they still remember the great patriotic war while Putin seems willing to
repeat it.

On 3/2/14 10:30 AM, Home Guy wrote:

Not all rules, regulations or rights are specifically enumerated in a
constitution. Any american should know that.

But the powers given the federal government are enumerated.

Do you have the right to put cream in your coffee? Where is it written?

In our Bill of Rights. The ninth and tenth amendments
specifically say the rights belong to the people. The federal
government has only the specifically listed rights given it under the
Constitution.
Link he http://tinyurl.com/astv45x

We're not doing a very good job of making the Feds stick to their
proper role. Eric Snowden is either a real patriot or a traitor. I
think he's more on the patriot side of the ledger.

Home Guy:

That's because there are very many different Canadians with very many different agendas.

Don't tell me you don't remember that Episode in Seattle where a guy wanting to drive to the Los Angeles Air Port had a bomb hidden in the trunk of his car?

Don't tell me you don't remember when both Canadian and American border guards had trouble keeping Canadian natives from smuggling tax exempt cigarettes from Canada into the US to be sold on the black market?

And, I suppose you haven't heard about Canadians in BC trying to smuggle marijuana across the BC/Washington state border?

The vast majority of Canadians consider Americans to be friendly neighbors, and vice versa, but the border services are there to try to identify and stop the few who are intent of exploiting that good will to smuggle drugs, guns, people and terrorism across the Canada/US border.

On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:42:47 +0100, nestork
wrote:


'Home Guy[_3_ Wrote:
;3205371']
With friends like US, Canada doesn't need enemies. All the trade
bull**** you people pull in spite of having treaties and agreements in
place. We bent over backwards on 9/11 when hundreds if not thousands
of
americans had to land in Canada from overseas flights, we took you into
our homes where-ever you landed, and still we're treated like North
Koreans at the US/Canada border.

Home Guy:

That's because there are very many different Canadians with very many
different agendas.


Home Guy has his own imaginary agenda.

Don't tell me you don't remember that Episode in Seattle where a guy
wanting to drive to the Los Angeles Air Port had a bomb hidden in the
trunk of his car?


Do you remember back in the mid to late 1970s when the FBI went into
Canada, after a fugitive from Florida. The guy had been selling swamp
land that he did not own and duped investors out of money, never
saying the land was "swamp" land. The FBI stuffed him in the trunk,
flashed their badges at the Canadian border agents and entered to the
USA. It created an international incident. They had "kidnapped" a
Canadian

Don't tell me you don't remember when both Canadian and American border
guards had trouble keeping Canadian natives from smuggling tax exempt
cigarettes from Canada into the US to be sold on the black market?


If an America tries to cross into Canada in a vehicle with tags from a
gun friendly state; they automatically have the vehicle detained for
long periods while the car is basically torn apart. Even if you
declare you have no guns.

About 89/90 we sent prisoners back to Canada from Saranac Lake, NY -
FCI -Raybrook. An official Canadian consulate member traveled with
prison officials and correctional officers. When they crossed back
into Canada, the bus was detained, searched and a large quaintly of
American cigarettes were found in the bus cargo hold. They almost
arrested all of the delegation, while the prisoners sat on the bus.

And, I suppose you haven't heard about Canadians in BC trying to smuggle
marijuana across the BC/Washington state border?

The vast majority of Canadians consider Americans to be friendly
neighbors, and vice versa, but the border services are there to try to
identify and stop the few who are intent of exploiting that good will to
smuggle drugs, guns, people and terrorism across the Canada/US border.

Exactly.

On 3/2/2014 7:18 AM, Homo Gay wrote:
The Full-Quoting Daring Doorknob wrote:

My Canadian cousins are wonderful people and Americans will always
come to their aid when called.

Just like the Russians are coming to Ukraine's aid - eh?

We share a continent and a lot of common heritage. We are family
even if they talk funny.

Exactly the same reason that Putin is giving.

With friends like US, Canada doesn't need enemies. All the trade
bull**** you people pull in spite of having treaties and agreements
in place. We bent over backwards on 9/11 when hundreds if not
thousands of americans had to land in Canada from overseas flights,
we took you into our homes where-ever you landed, and still we're
treated like North Koreans at the US/Canada border.

Homo Gay, what the heck has the invasion of Ukraine by Russian troops
have to do with the relationship between The United States and Canada?
Absolutely nothing you idiot. There are no Americans living in Canada
who are rioting and waving the American flag, demanding that parts of
Canada be annexed by The United States. If you have ever really been
mistreated by any American, all I can do is apologize and tell you that
no one in my part of the country the people will treat you with respect
and hospitality until you give them a reason not to. In your case, you
will probably show your ass and do your best to antagonize the folks
here and the people will first politely ask you to take it someplace
else. If you don't comply with with the request to scram, there is a
good chance you will wake up in the intensive care ward of a hospital.
There are over 316 million people in The United States and I would
suggest that you don't judge all Americans by the few who may have
mistreated you. To me, you are an exception in your behavior and
attitude when it comes to all The Canadians I've met and dealt with and
I certainly won't judge all Canadians based on the calumnious demeanor
you exhibit in your posts about Americans. o_O

TDD

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 00:37:51 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

All of the Canadians I've ever met or dealt with have been great folks.
Homo Gay is an anomaly and should be euthanized to prevent the spread of
its particular disease. o_O

Wanna flip a Queen Elizabeth II coin? Heads I win, tails you lose.

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 13:52:30 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Homo Gay, what the heck has the invasion of Ukraine by Russian troops
have to do with the relationship between The United States and Canada?
Absolutely nothing you idiot. There are no Americans living in Canada
who are rioting and waving the American flag, demanding that parts of
Canada be annexed by The United States. If you have ever really been
mistreated by any American, all I can do is apologize and tell you that
no one in my part of the country the people will treat you with respect
and hospitality until you give them a reason not to. In your case, you
will probably show your ass and do your best to antagonize the folks
here and the people will first politely ask you to take it someplace
else. If you don't comply with with the request to scram, there is a
good chance you will wake up in the intensive care ward of a hospital.
There are over 316 million people in The United States and I would
suggest that you don't judge all Americans by the few who may have
mistreated you. To me, you are an exception in your behavior and
attitude when it comes to all The Canadians I've met and dealt with and
I certainly won't judge all Canadians based on the calumnious demeanor
you exhibit in your posts about Americans. o_O

TDD

Home Guy is the "Piers Morgan" of Canada. Has a funny accent,
complains about our policies and is strongly opinionated with little
or no substance to support his insults towards America.

Speaking of our Navy, did you see this?

USS Somerset commissioned:

A new U.S. Navy ship named to honor 40 passengers and crew killed when
their hijacked United Airlines flight crashed as they fought with
terrorists during the Sept. 11 attacks has been put into service in
Philadelphia.

USS New York, USS Arlington and USS Somerset (post 9/11)

On 03/02/2014 07:48 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/1/2014 8:13 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 3/1/14 6:39 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...fire-1.2555354



By golly, that made the news. I hope no one was injured.

I hope the US craft was able to validate your auto club
membership before the tow?

We in the U.S. probably owe the Canadians. They, the Aussies, and
Kiwis are probably the most loyal allies. Then there are those other
loyal fellas on the east side of the big pond that almost speak American.

At least the Canadians don't send us millions
of diseased people who want taxpayer money.

Of course, that's mostly account of our US
gov, who practices trap and release, and who
dispenses taxpayer money to illegals. What
you fund, increases. Stop funding, and it
fades away.



For I was hungry and you gave me food,
I was thirsty and you gave me drink,
I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
I was naked and you clothed me,
I was sick and you visited me,
I was in prison and you came to me.’
Then the righteous will answer him, saying,
‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you,
or thirsty and give you drink?
And when did we see you a stranger and
welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:42:47 +0100, nestork
wrote:


'Home Guy[_3_ Wrote:
;3205371']
With friends like US, Canada doesn't need enemies. All the trade
bull**** you people pull in spite of having treaties and agreements in
place. We bent over backwards on 9/11 when hundreds if not thousands
of
americans had to land in Canada from overseas flights, we took you into
our homes where-ever you landed, and still we're treated like North
Koreans at the US/Canada border.

Home Guy:

That's because there are very many different Canadians with very many
different agendas.

Don't tell me you don't remember that Episode in Seattle where a guy
wanting to drive to the Los Angeles Air Port had a bomb hidden in the
trunk of his car?

Don't tell me you don't remember when both Canadian and American border
guards had trouble keeping Canadian natives from smuggling tax exempt
cigarettes from Canada into the US to be sold on the black market?

And likely 50 times more were smuggled north by the same groups.

And, I suppose you haven't heard about Canadians in BC trying to smuggle
marijuana across the BC/Washington state border?

And there has been as much American dope smuggled into Canada (mostly
before BC developed the "better" strains - which are now grown also in
Oregon and Washington

The vast majority of Canadians consider Americans to be friendly
neighbors, and vice versa, but the border services are there to try to
identify and stop the few who are intent of exploiting that good will to
smuggle drugs, guns, people and terrorism across the Canada/US border.

In both directions.

On 3/2/2014 2:52 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
I certainly won't judge all Canadians based on the calumnious demeanor
you exhibit in your posts about Americans. o_O

TDD

No worries, I'll pick up the slack where
you left off.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

nestork wrote:

and still we're treated like North Koreans at the US/Canada border.

Home Guy:

That's because there are very many different Canadians with very many
different agendas.

The most absurd thing is that people and goods can cross national
borders in Europe without having to submit to ridiculous
customs/immigration checks even though those countries were at war with
each other 60 years ago. Countries with different languages and
histories. And yet back here in North America, we have a bitterly
defended border between US and Canada (defended far more vigorously and
seriously on the US side), with every mile, every foot under video
surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter or package
bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.

The vast majority of Canadians consider Americans to be friendly
neighbors

That's a fuzzy idea that does not speak to the fundamental issue here.
The US thinks it's a fortress - even in terms of it's "friendly
neighbor" to the north. I know what it was like to cross the border
before 9/11. There was talk of having a single facility at every
crossing, jointly staffed by both countries, to handle cross-border
traffic. You could drive into the US just by showing a birth
certificate (with no photo!) and just say you were going shopping for
the day, and you weren't asked if you were carrying more than $10k worth
of currency and other bull**** questions.

The border has "thickened" since 9/11. It's been well documented.

On 3/2/14 5:45 PM, Home Guy wrote:
nestork wrote:

That's a fuzzy idea that does not speak to the fundamental issue here.
The US thinks it's a fortress - even in terms of it's "friendly
neighbor" to the north. I know what it was like to cross the border
before 9/11. There was talk of having a single facility at every
crossing, jointly staffed by both countries, to handle cross-border
traffic. You could drive into the US just by showing a birth
certificate (with no photo!) and just say you were going shopping for
the day, and you weren't asked if you were carrying more than $10k worth
of currency and other bull**** questions.

The border has "thickened" since 9/11. It's been well documented.


I can't comment on crossing the Canadian, U.S. border or on flying
after 9/11. Some of the security measures seem silly and pointless.
They're more an intrusion of privacy and just for show from what I've
read.
Add to that the warrantless snooping going on. In addition to the
Bill of Rights we also have what Chief Justice Brandeis called "the
right to be left alone". From Wikepedia:
http://tinyurl.com/argddd
My one experience with security checks was at the Gateway Arch in
St. Louis, MO. There was a line outside the Arch of fifty people or so
waiting to get safety checks. A couple guys with guns or bombs
could've easily gotten a bunch of us. I don't remember if it was
possible to drive a vehicle close to it.
The security people had a couple take their baby out of the
stroller. They checked my shoes which had metal shoe string loops.
The only advantage to the charade was the dying and wounded people
wouldn't have been bleeding inside the building.

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 18:45:15 -0500, Home Guy "Home"@Guy. com wrote:

The most absurd thing is that people and goods can cross national
borders in Europe without having to submit to ridiculous
customs/immigration checks even though those countries were at war with
each other 60 years ago. Countries with different languages and
histories. And yet back here in North America, we have a bitterly
defended border between US and Canada (defended far more vigorously and
seriously on the US side), with every mile, every foot under video
surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter or package
bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.

The difference is most of those countries are in the EU.

Can you tell us what year the US government temporarily changed a US
border before 9/11, what state, what county and what the economic
impact it had?

This is a test for you.

On 3/2/2014 2:42 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 13:52:30 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Homo Gay, what the heck has the invasion of Ukraine by Russian
troops have to do with the relationship between The United States
and Canada? Absolutely nothing you idiot. There are no Americans
living in Canada who are rioting and waving the American flag,
demanding that parts of Canada be annexed by The United States. If
you have ever really been mistreated by any American, all I can do
is apologize and tell you that no one in my part of the country the
people will treat you with respect and hospitality until you give
them a reason not to. In your case, you will probably show your ass
and do your best to antagonize the folks here and the people will
first politely ask you to take it someplace else. If you don't
comply with with the request to scram, there is a good chance you
will wake up in the intensive care ward of a hospital. There are
over 316 million people in The United States and I would suggest
that you don't judge all Americans by the few who may have
mistreated you. To me, you are an exception in your behavior and
attitude when it comes to all The Canadians I've met and dealt with
and I certainly won't judge all Canadians based on the calumnious
demeanor you exhibit in your posts about Americans. o_O

TDD

Home Guy is the "Piers Morgan" of Canada. Has a funny accent,
complains about our policies and is strongly opinionated with little
or no substance to support his insults towards America.

Speaking of our Navy, did you see this?

USS Somerset commissioned:

A new U.S. Navy ship named to honor 40 passengers and crew killed
when their hijacked United Airlines flight crashed as they fought
with terrorists during the Sept. 11 attacks has been put into service
in Philadelphia.

USS New York, USS Arlington and USS Somerset (post 9/11)

I recall seeing something about a number of US Navy vessels having some
of the steel salvaged from the Twin Towers melted down and used to make
parts of the ships. I would imagine the steel even has some iron from
the blood of Americans who were killed in the attack and destruction of
The Twin Towers. o_O

TDD

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 19:29:19 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Speaking of our Navy, did you see this?

USS Somerset commissioned:

A new U.S. Navy ship named to honor 40 passengers and crew killed
when their hijacked United Airlines flight crashed as they fought
with terrorists during the Sept. 11 attacks has been put into service
in Philadelphia.

USS New York, USS Arlington and USS Somerset (post 9/11)

I recall seeing something about a number of US Navy vessels having some
of the steel salvaged from the Twin Towers melted down and used to make
parts of the ships. I would imagine the steel even has some iron from
the blood of Americans who were killed in the attack and destruction of
The Twin Towers. o_O

TDD

Right. Some of the ship's bow on the USS New York is from the steel of
the Twin Towers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/USS_New_York_in_the_Hudson_River_200911.jpg

Observe the modern stealth features.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_York_(LPD-21)

Home Guy:

I'm going to say what others think, but don't say.

One of the biggest reasons why the US is a target for terrorists is because of it's staunch support for the state of Israel. Muslim countries (like Saudi Arabia and Iran) that support the Palestinian people know that they cannot win a military victory against Israel with the US backing it, so they covertly fund muslim groups to launch terrorist/guerilla attacks against the USA (and Britain, and to a much lesser extent Canada). My understanding is that for every mother's son martyred in the fight against the great Satan, Iran pays $20,000 US dollars.

So far as I know, no country in the EU provides Israel with as much military hardware, expertise and spy satellite intelligence that the USA does, thereby making Israel one of the most heavily armed countries in the world. It's that military support of Israel that's the problem for the muslims in the middle east, and that's the principle reason why Europe isn't nearly the target of muslim terrorism that the USA is.

However, I do remember a few years back where a bus load of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria was bombed. If I recall correctly, the bus driver sensed something wasn't kosher and told the tourists not to get on the bus. It blew up empty.

I'm not Jewish, but it seems to me that the creation of the State of Israel after WWII might have been the biggest mistake of the century. For the centuries since Mohammad walked the Earth and for thousands of years before that, Jews lived in relative peace with their neighbors in the mid-east. Jews had more trouble from the Europeans, especially eastern Europeans than they ever had with the muslims in the mid-east, who were generally more accomodating of them than the Holy Roman Church in Europe. Now, the Jews have their own state, but they can't live in peace in it. They're the one country with the highest per-capita number of cell phones because everyone wants to be able to check that their friends and relatives are safe whenever a bomb goes off over there. To be truthful, it seems to me that the Jews would have led a better life after WWII by living amongst the muslims as they had for centuries. The state of Israel was created so that there would never be another Holocaust, but what we have instead is a 60 year old festering wound in the middle east for which there is no acceptable medication. And, living amongst the Muslims is no longer an available solution because of the blood that's been spilled on both sides over the past 60 years. With war hawks like Netanyahu at the helm over there, it's only gonna get worse.

There I said it. I expect people understand that this is the elephant in the room that everyone pretends not to notice.

The reason why Canada's border with the USA isn't as wide open as it used to be isn't because either the Americans or Canadians have changed in their attitude towards each other, it's because a smart terrorist wanting to get into the USA from Canada is going to pretend to be friendly Canadian tourist. So, unfortunate as it is, ALL Canadian tourists wanting to get into the USA have to be treated with suspicion.

On 3/2/2014 5:45 PM, Homo Gay wrote:
nestork wrote:

and still we're treated like North Koreans at the US/Canada
border.

Home Guy:

That's because there are very many different Canadians with very
many different agendas.

The most absurd thing is that people and goods can cross national
borders in Europe without having to submit to ridiculous
customs/immigration checks even though those countries were at war
with each other 60 years ago. Countries with different languages
and histories. And yet back here in North America, we have a
bitterly defended border between US and Canada (defended far more
vigorously and seriously on the US side), with every mile, every foot
under video surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter
or package bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.

The vast majority of Canadians consider Americans to be friendly
neighbors

That's a fuzzy idea that does not speak to the fundamental issue
here. The US thinks it's a fortress - even in terms of it's
"friendly neighbor" to the north. I know what it was like to cross
the border before 9/11. There was talk of having a single facility
at every crossing, jointly staffed by both countries, to handle
cross-border traffic. You could drive into the US just by showing a
birth certificate (with no photo!) and just say you were going
shopping for the day, and you weren't asked if you were carrying more
than $10k worth of currency and other bull**** questions.

The border has "thickened" since 9/11. It's been well documented.

So tell me Homo Gay, what has your government done to investigate and
keep Islamic radicals out of Canada? Does your RCMP keep a close eye on
investigate people from The Middle East? That's where the majority of
the radical Muslims are coming from. Are there Imams in the mosques
there in Canada preaching death and destruction toward of any of the
nonbelievers in Canada and in The United States? It seems to be a common
behavior by many Imams and the Muslims who are not radicalized
tend to keep quiet about what they see and hear of their brethren who
wish to attack and kill the Infidel. Perhaps those Muslims who would
come forward and notify authorities about radical Islamists fear they
themselves will be killed in the name of Allah? o_O

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lv9s36q

TDD

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 18:45:15 -0500, Home Guy "Home"@Guy. com wrote:

The most absurd thing is that people and goods can cross national
borders in Europe without having to submit to ridiculous
customs/immigration checks even though those countries were at war with
each other 60 years ago. Countries with different languages and
histories. And yet back here in North America, we have a bitterly
defended border between US and Canada (defended far more vigorously and
seriously on the US side), with every mile, every foot under video
surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter or package
bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.

The difference is most of those countries are in the EU.

Can you tell us what year the US government temporarily changed a US
border before 9/11, what state, what county and what the economic
impact it had?

This is a test for you.

Ah harken back to the days of the forming of the Conch Republic (grin)
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:48:52 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


At least the Canadians don't send us millions
of diseased people who want taxpayer money.

Of course, that's mostly account of our US
gov, who practices trap and release, and who
dispenses taxpayer money to illegals. What
you fund, increases. Stop funding, and it
fades away.

Get off your high horse here, Chris. Disease is not a part of allowing
immigration; nor a policy to preclude entry. It used to be many years
ago..."prohibited the entry of “any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any
person unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a
public charge."

http://immigrationinamerica.org/584-immigration-act-of-1882.html

Tell us about how Haitians with medical problems (TB), or Cubans with
mental disorders should be denied entry (1980).

Both have died landing on our shores. Need some examples?

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 21:27:24 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 18:45:15 -0500, Home Guy "Home"@Guy. com wrote:

The most absurd thing is that people and goods can cross national
borders in Europe without having to submit to ridiculous
customs/immigration checks even though those countries were at war with
each other 60 years ago. Countries with different languages and
histories. And yet back here in North America, we have a bitterly
defended border between US and Canada (defended far more vigorously and
seriously on the US side), with every mile, every foot under video
surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter or package
bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.

The difference is most of those countries are in the EU.

Can you tell us what year the US government temporarily changed a US
border before 9/11, what state, what county and what the economic
impact it had?

This is a test for you.

Ah harken back to the days of the forming of the Conch Republic (grin)

Dang it. I was hoping you would not spoil the test. At least a couple
here know about the attack on the Navy Officer with a loaf of bread.