In article ,
Oren wrote:

Dang it. I was hoping you would not spoil the test. At least a couple
here know about the attack on the Navy Officer with a loaf of bread.

YOu can tell it is summer in Indianapolis when the pool is open and the
Conch Republic flag is unfurled at Casa Ullman. One of these days I may
have actually saved enough to get a CR passport.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Home Guy "Home"@Guy. com
wrote:

===========
Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine and is
governed by the Constitution of Crimea in accordance with the laws of
Ukraine.
It is a SEMI-autonomous area within the Ukraine. Haven't seen
anything that suggests they have control over such things as inviting
people to invade.

Hi,
Russia has imbedded interest in the region including the naval base.
There are lot of ethnic Russians living there. Ukraine it self is not
autonomous united country. Canadian government stated Canada is with
Ukrainian people, my question is who they are referring to?

wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:38:15 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
trader4 @ optonline.net" wrote:



So, if this is a US thing and Russia is right and justified in what

Putin is doing, why is it that Canada, Britain, France, Germany and

8 other European countries are all agreeing with the US position,

that the Russian invasion is illegal and unwarranted?



Because the west can do nothing but posture.


What they can or cannot do has nothing to do with the fact
that all these countries agree that what Russia is doing
violates international law and is an invasion of the Ukraine.
A rape is still a rape, whether anyone does anything about it
or not. And we have a dozen countries, not just the USA,
condemning what Putin has done. Including *your* country,
Canada, so why aren't you out there demonstrating and bitching
about that, instead of what the USA is doing? On the other side,
we have Putin, his Crimean puppet and you.....




Anyone who thinks that Russia would do nothing and lose political

control or affiliation with Ukraine (especially the Crimea - with

Sevastopol) is crazy.


WTF should Putin and Russia have political control of the Crimea?
Should the US have political control of Toronto?

Hi,
Can't you see Israelis do whatever they want to? She is an exception,
right? U.S. on their back.



By all accounts, most of the population of that region feel more like

ethnic Russians anyways, so for them it's a matter of fighting the

western half of Ukraine as they try to tear them *away* from Russia.

Which would you rather be affiliated with? Western Europe, ie Germany,
France, UK, Italy, Switzerland with a tradition of freedom for individuals,
open, fair elections, freedom of the press, or Russia and Putin?

But you do have a point, if those in the eastern Ukraine are dumb
enough to subjugate themselves to Russia, run by the former KGB and
they want to do so in a fair and internationally supervised election,
then that's their choice. Maybe they've forgotten the long lines for
food, the KGB, the gulags, the 20 million dead under Stalin. Putin
wants to put all that back into place. Now ask yourself, is giving the
people in the Crimea that choice in a fair referendum supported by Russia invading the place? Idiot.

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 21:35:23 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Oren wrote:

Dang it. I was hoping you would not spoil the test. At least a couple
here know about the attack on the Navy Officer with a loaf of bread.

YOu can tell it is summer in Indianapolis when the pool is open and the
Conch Republic flag is unfurled at Casa Ullman. One of these days I may
have actually saved enough to get a CR passport.

I lived two miles north from the northern border back in those days.
Having great skills at navigation on land and sea, it was easy to
cross the border. Didn't even need paved roads.

The passport you mention is said to be good in other countries. Are
you saving for the diplomatic one?

Home Guy wrote:
nestork wrote:

and still we're treated like North Koreans at the US/Canada border.

Home Guy:

That's because there are very many different Canadians with very many
different agendas.

The most absurd thing is that people and goods can cross national
borders in Europe without having to submit to ridiculous
customs/immigration checks even though those countries were at war with
each other 60 years ago. Countries with different languages and
histories. And yet back here in North America, we have a bitterly
defended border between US and Canada (defended far more vigorously and
seriously on the US side), with every mile, every foot under video
surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter or package
bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.

The vast majority of Canadians consider Americans to be friendly
neighbors

That's a fuzzy idea that does not speak to the fundamental issue here.
The US thinks it's a fortress - even in terms of it's "friendly
neighbor" to the north. I know what it was like to cross the border
before 9/11. There was talk of having a single facility at every
crossing, jointly staffed by both countries, to handle cross-border
traffic. You could drive into the US just by showing a birth
certificate (with no photo!) and just say you were going shopping for
the day, and you weren't asked if you were carrying more than $10k worth
of currency and other bull**** questions.

The border has "thickened" since 9/11. It's been well documented.

Hi,
Home Guy, you know that tariff between prrovices arre more complex than
between friendly U.S. and Canada, after all even with FTA.

Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 3/2/14 5:45 PM, Home Guy wrote:
nestork wrote:

That's a fuzzy idea that does not speak to the fundamental issue here.
The US thinks it's a fortress - even in terms of it's "friendly
neighbor" to the north. I know what it was like to cross the border
before 9/11. There was talk of having a single facility at every
crossing, jointly staffed by both countries, to handle cross-border
traffic. You could drive into the US just by showing a birth
certificate (with no photo!) and just say you were going shopping for
the day, and you weren't asked if you were carrying more than $10k worth
of currency and other bull**** questions.

The border has "thickened" since 9/11. It's been well documented.


I can't comment on crossing the Canadian, U.S. border or on flying
after 9/11. Some of the security measures seem silly and pointless.
They're more an intrusion of privacy and just for show from what I've read.
Add to that the warrantless snooping going on. In addition to the
Bill of Rights we also have what Chief Justice Brandeis called "the
right to be left alone". From Wikepedia:
http://tinyurl.com/argddd
My one experience with security checks was at the Gateway Arch in
St. Louis, MO. There was a line outside the Arch of fifty people or so
waiting to get safety checks. A couple guys with guns or bombs could've
easily gotten a bunch of us. I don't remember if it was possible to
drive a vehicle close to it.
The security people had a couple take their baby out of the
stroller. They checked my shoes which had metal shoe string loops.
The only advantage to the charade was the dying and wounded people
wouldn't have been bleeding inside the building.

Hi,
My take on that is security is designed to inconvenience harmless
ordinary Joe. Some how bad guys all go aorund or pass it thru.

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:48:52 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


At least the Canadians don't send us millions
of diseased people who want taxpayer money.

Of course, that's mostly account of our US
gov, who practices trap and release, and who
dispenses taxpayer money to illegals. What
you fund, increases. Stop funding, and it
fades away.

Get off your high horse here, Chris. Disease is not a part of allowing
immigration; nor a policy to preclude entry. It used to be many years
ago..."prohibited the entry of “any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any
person unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a
public charge."

http://immigrationinamerica.org/584-immigration-act-of-1882.html

Tell us about how Haitians with medical problems (TB), or Cubans with
mental disorders should be denied entry (1980).

Both have died landing on our shores. Need some examples?

Hmmm,
In the name of humanity or refugee?

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 20:12:54 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:48:52 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


At least the Canadians don't send us millions
of diseased people who want taxpayer money.

Of course, that's mostly account of our US
gov, who practices trap and release, and who
dispenses taxpayer money to illegals. What
you fund, increases. Stop funding, and it
fades away.

Get off your high horse here, Chris. Disease is not a part of allowing
immigration; nor a policy to preclude entry. It used to be many years
ago..."prohibited the entry of “any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any
person unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a
public charge."

http://immigrationinamerica.org/584-immigration-act-of-1882.html

Tell us about how Haitians with medical problems (TB), or Cubans with
mental disorders should be denied entry (1980).

Both have died landing on our shores. Need some examples?

Hmmm,
In the name of humanity or refugee?

The last immigration policy, practice and law I read in 79/85 was that
Haitians that came ashore were to be deported. Cubans were allowed to
stay because they touched the shores escaping under Castro. Many
Haitians, from Key West to West Palm Beach died in rickety stolen
boats, drowned and floated ashore.

Haitians escaping former polices of ""Papa Doc" Duvalier were to be
sent back.

....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_Boatlift

http://ibiartpompano.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/haitians-head-to-florida-in-sailboat-by-floridausaimages-com_.jpg

http://aliciapatterson.org/sites/default/files/styles/node_image/public/Millman01_0.jpg

"...When Bill Clinton became president in 1993, he continued Bush's
policy. He argued that prohibiting the immigration of Haitian refugees
would prevent many Haitians from drowning in an attempted ocean
crossing."

http://crfimmigrationed.org/index.php/lessons-for-teachers/148-hl9

"Home Guy" "Home"@Guy. com wrote in message
...
trader4 @ optonline.net" wrote:

So, if this is a US thing and Russia is right and justified in what
Putin is doing, why is it that Canada, Britain, France, Germany and
8 other European countries are all agreeing with the US position,
that the Russian invasion is illegal and unwarranted?

Because the west can do nothing but posture.

Anyone who thinks that Russia would do nothing and lose political
control or affiliation with Ukraine (especially the Crimea - with
Sevastopol) is crazy.

By all accounts, most of the population of that region feel more like
ethnic Russians anyways, so for them it's a matter of fighting the
western half of Ukraine as they try to tear them *away* from Russia.

They were put there by Stalin. Many Ukrainians/Tatars were deported at the
same time.

"Home Guy" "Home"@Guy. com wrote in message
...
nestork wrote:

and still we're treated like North Koreans at the US/Canada border.

Home Guy:

That's because there are very many different Canadians with very many
different agendas.

The most absurd thing is that people and goods can cross national
borders in Europe without having to submit to ridiculous
customs/immigration checks even though those countries were at war with
each other 60 years ago. Countries with different languages and
histories. And yet back here in North America, we have a bitterly
defended border between US and Canada (defended far more vigorously and
seriously on the US side), with every mile, every foot under video
surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter or package
bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.


Believe me, that is not something you want.
The UK is awash with criminals, dropouts, jobseekers, health tourists and
benefit seekers from ********s like Romania.
Not to mention the Middle East and North Africa.

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 18:45:15 -0500, Home Guy "Home"@Guy. com wrote:

The most absurd thing is that people and goods can cross national
borders in Europe without having to submit to ridiculous
customs/immigration checks even though those countries were at war with
each other 60 years ago. Countries with different languages and
histories. And yet back here in North America, we have a bitterly
defended border between US and Canada (defended far more vigorously and
seriously on the US side), with every mile, every foot under video
surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter or package
bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.

The difference is most of those countries are in the EU.


You mean the EUSSR?

On 3/2/2014 9:27 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:48:52 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


At least the Canadians don't send us millions
of diseased people who want taxpayer money.

Of course, that's mostly account of our US
gov, who practices trap and release, and who
dispenses taxpayer money to illegals. What
you fund, increases. Stop funding, and it
fades away.

Get off your high horse here, Chris. Disease is not a part of allowing
immigration; nor a policy to preclude entry. It used to be many years
ago..."prohibited the entry of “any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any
person unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a
public charge."

http://immigrationinamerica.org/584-immigration-act-of-1882.html

Tell us about how Haitians with medical problems (TB), or Cubans with
mental disorders should be denied entry (1980).

Both have died landing on our shores. Need some examples?

Do we have a bunch of diseased Canadians
crossing the border in the night, and
wrecking homes and ranches and committing
crimes? Not like the Mexicans.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 3/2/2014 9:32 PM, Oren wrote:
surveilance, every person's papers checked, every letter or package
bogged down by customs proceedures AND EXPENSES.

The difference is most of those countries are in the EU.

Can you tell us what year the US government temporarily changed a US
border before 9/11, what state, what county and what the economic
impact it had?

This is a test for you.

Ah harken back to the days of the forming of the Conch Republic (grin)

Dang it. I was hoping you would not spoil the test. At least a couple
here know about the attack on the Navy Officer with a loaf of bread.

Oh, get off your high horse.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 21:35:23 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Oren wrote:

Dang it. I was hoping you would not spoil the test. At least a couple
here know about the attack on the Navy Officer with a loaf of bread.

YOu can tell it is summer in Indianapolis when the pool is open and the
Conch Republic flag is unfurled at Casa Ullman. One of these days I may
have actually saved enough to get a CR passport.

I lived two miles north from the northern border back in those days.
Having great skills at navigation on land and sea, it was easy to
cross the border. Didn't even need paved roads.
I am displaced CR citizen in so many ways. If all things were
possible, I'd be living in Marathon for much more than 9 weeks a year.


The passport you mention is said to be good in other countries. Are
you saving for the diplomatic one?

Of course. I think I may also put a CR consulate plaque on my house one
day. Of course, Kay is not so sure she wants to indulge this particular
wish... (grin)
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

In article ,
Tony Hwang wrote:

My take on that is security is designed to inconvenience harmless
ordinary Joe. Some how bad guys all go aorund or pass it thru.

The one real lesson to the bureaucrats and CongressCritters from 9/11
is that are going to get 6 kinds of hell from the Talking Classes if
they let anything like this happen again. This is very much more
protective of the bureaucracy ("Heck we checked little old ladies and
strollers for God's sake, what else COULD we do") than of air travelers.
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:27:40 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:48:52 -0500, Stormin Mormon

wrote:





At least the Canadians don't send us millions

of diseased people who want taxpayer money.



Of course, that's mostly account of our US

gov, who practices trap and release, and who

dispenses taxpayer money to illegals. What

you fund, increases. Stop funding, and it

fades away.



Get off your high horse here, Chris. Disease is not a part of allowing

immigration; nor a policy to preclude entry. It used to be many years

ago..."prohibited the entry of “any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any

person unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a

public charge."



Actually disease status is still a part of legal immigration. A medical
examiniation prior to arrival is mandatory and if you have certain diseases
you will be denied admission. Obviously illegal aliens are skipping
that process.

On 3/3/2014 7:49 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
The one real lesson to the bureaucrats and CongressCritters from 9/11
is that are going to get 6 kinds of hell from the Talking Classes if
they let anything like this happen again. This is very much more
protective of the bureaucracy ("Heck we checked little old ladies and
strollers for God's sake, what else COULD we do") than of air travelers.


Don't know if it's still in effect, but I
remember some about quotas, they can only
search two Muslims per flight. That kind of
thing. That's part of how the 9/11 guys
got on, they were later down the line of
passengers.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 3/2/2014 9:09 PM, nestork wrote:

So far as I know, no country in the EU has allied itself with Israel as
strongly as the USA, and that's the principle reason why Europe isn't
the target of muslim terrorism that the USA is.


There I said it. I expect people understand that this is the elephant
in the room that everyone seems not to notice.


Makes sense, to me. Would be a lot worse for USA
if we had a bunch of Muslims in power, elected.
Who were doing things like cutting funding to the
US military and telling the various TLA to respect
the privacy of Mosques.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 3/3/2014 8:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:48:52 -0500, Stormin Mormon
At least the Canadians don't send us millions
of diseased people who want taxpayer money.


Actually disease status is still a part of legal immigration. A medical
examiniation prior to arrival is mandatory and if you have certain diseases
you will be denied admission. Obviously illegal aliens are skipping
that process.


At least the law remains on the books, even
if it's not well known. Nor enforced.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:56:18 PM UTC-5, Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:38:15 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:

trader4 @ optonline.net" wrote:







So, if this is a US thing and Russia is right and justified in what



Putin is doing, why is it that Canada, Britain, France, Germany and



8 other European countries are all agreeing with the US position,



that the Russian invasion is illegal and unwarranted?







Because the west can do nothing but posture.





What they can or cannot do has nothing to do with the fact

that all these countries agree that what Russia is doing

violates international law and is an invasion of the Ukraine.

A rape is still a rape, whether anyone does anything about it

or not. And we have a dozen countries, not just the USA,

condemning what Putin has done. Including *your* country,

Canada, so why aren't you out there demonstrating and bitching

about that, instead of what the USA is doing? On the other side,

we have Putin, his Crimean puppet and you.....









Anyone who thinks that Russia would do nothing and lose political



control or affiliation with Ukraine (especially the Crimea - with



Sevastopol) is crazy.





WTF should Putin and Russia have political control of the Crimea?

Should the US have political control of Toronto?



Hi,

Can't you see Israelis do whatever they want to? She is an exception,

right? U.S. on their back.


No, I don't see Israel doing whatever they want to. I see them doing
what they have to do in order to defend themselves, using force as a
last resort when attacked, which they have every right to do. I also
see that whenever Israel makes a unilateral move which could help lead
toward piece, eg withdrawing from Gaza, it's met by even more hostility
from the Palestinians. In the case of Gaza, the Palestinians promptly
elected the Hamas terrorists as their govt and used Gaza to launch
rockets into Israel.

On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 00:55:45 +0100, nestork
wrote:

The US Navy is sending it's ship USS Chosen to tow our crippled vessel
into Pearl Harbour for repairs to it's engines.

Sweep it for bugs when you get it back. Discreetly.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:53:01 PM UTC-5, Tony Hwang wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article , Home Guy "Home"@Guy. com

wrote:



===========

Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine and is

governed by the Constitution of Crimea in accordance with the laws of

Ukraine.

It is a SEMI-autonomous area within the Ukraine. Haven't seen

anything that suggests they have control over such things as inviting

people to invade.



Hi,

Russia has imbedded interest in the region including the naval base.



No one in the Ukraine has done anything to threaten any of the
Russian bases.



There are lot of ethnic Russians living there. Ukraine it self is not

autonomous united country.

Say what? It's every bit as much of a country as any other.
Ask the UN. It's a member.



Canadian government stated Canada is with

Ukrainian people, my question is who they are referring to?

The whole country obviously, which should be able to make
it's own decisions on how it's people want to live without
occupation by foreign forces. You had a corrupt pro Russia
stooge, Yanukovych elected who looted the country. There is something
like $35bil in loans missing and another $70bil that is known
to have been moved outside the country, and he's stuffed his
pockets with billions. His final mistake was choosing to try
to align the country with Russia, instead of Europe. Now, which
countries have a better track record of economic success, personal
freedoms, less corruption, etc? Europe or Russia run by the former
head of the KGB who has stated that he wants to put the USSR back
together again? So, of course most people in Ukraine had enough
of that and forced the skunk from office. The Russians prefer the
corrupt stooge so Putin can have his thumb on the Ukraine. That
is no reason for Russia to invade and that's why Canada is on the
long list of countries telling them it's a violation of international
law and to get the hell out.

While using improper usenet message composition style, Tony Hwang
unnecessarily full-quoted:

Home Guy, you know that tariff between provinces are more complex
than between friendly U.S. and Canada, after all even with FTA.

That is probably only true for beer, wine, liquor, and tobacco
products. Maybe for fuel like gasoline, diesel and natural gas. And
the fed gov't has mentioned removing tariffs on alcohol between
provinces.

For everything else, for anything you can hand off to UPS or Fedex or
the post office, there are no such tariffs between the provinces.

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:42:33 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 13:52:30 -0600, The Daring Dufas

wrote:



Homo Gay, what the heck has the invasion of Ukraine by Russian troops

have to do with the relationship between The United States and Canada?

Absolutely nothing you idiot. There are no Americans living in Canada

who are rioting and waving the American flag, demanding that parts of

Canada be annexed by The United States. If you have ever really been

mistreated by any American, all I can do is apologize and tell you that

no one in my part of the country the people will treat you with respect

and hospitality until you give them a reason not to. In your case, you

will probably show your ass and do your best to antagonize the folks

here and the people will first politely ask you to take it someplace

else. If you don't comply with with the request to scram, there is a

good chance you will wake up in the intensive care ward of a hospital.

There are over 316 million people in The United States and I would

suggest that you don't judge all Americans by the few who may have

mistreated you. To me, you are an exception in your behavior and

attitude when it comes to all The Canadians I've met and dealt with and

I certainly won't judge all Canadians based on the calumnious demeanor

you exhibit in your posts about Americans. o_O



TDD



Home Guy is the "Piers Morgan" of Canada. Has a funny accent,

complains about our policies and is strongly opinionated with little

or no substance to support his insults towards America.



You won't have Piers Morgan around for much longer. CNN is giving
him the boot. I saw a brief interview with Morgan and he said
something about how the show hasn't done well and it's probably
because him being a Britt folks here got tired of hearing him
constantly talk about US gun laws, etc. Kind of interesting
actually. Apparently he even knew what he was doing was driving
viewers away, but he wouldn't change.

When he first took over from Larry King, I watched him for
a bit. I thought he was doing OK, but then he started going off
the deep end. The final straw for me was when he had Christine
O'Donnell, the former Tea Party Senate candidate from MD on.
This was about 2 years after she had lost the election. So,
Morgan has to bring up the witch thing. And she took it good
naturedly, answered his questions. But that
wasn't enough. Morgan just keep it up, non stop. For a couple
minutes, she continued to answer his questions, laughed about it,
etc. But finally she said something like can't we move on and
talk about something else? But even that didn't stop Morgan,
he just kept badgering her about the witch thing non stop and
after about 5 mins of it, she walked off the set.

That's when I wrote a letter to CNN telling them what I thought
about Morgan and how I was removing CNN from my channel listing.
I thought bringing up the witch thing was fair, ask a couple
questions. But that wasn't good enough, he just wanted to crucify
her with it, endlessly. Of course if a conservative had done
that to a woman who was a lib, it would be an example not only
of extreme bias, but a "war on women". So, I have to say, nice
to see the jerk go.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:18:17 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:


You mean the EUSSR?

Hmm

http://images.uncyc.org/nl/thumb/1/1d/EUROPEFUN1a.png/300px-EUROPEFUN1a.png

On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:03:18 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:

They were put there by Stalin. Many Ukrainians/Tatars were deported at the
same time.

Didn't Stalin starve them out, then they left and Russians moved in?

On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 05:00:13 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

Actually disease status is still a part of legal immigration. A medical
examiniation prior to arrival is mandatory and if you have certain diseases
you will be denied admission. Obviously illegal aliens are skipping
that process.

That makes sense. My only experience was with illegal's. Staff were
frequently tested for TB because of the Haitians (those that survived)
when INS put immigration holds on them. We had hundreds of Mariel
Cubans from Castro's jails and mental facilities that were forced on
to boats at gun point. Many of the sane Cubans were released to family
sponsors that arrived in the 60's, living in Miami.

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 07:49:31 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

The one real lesson to the bureaucrats and CongressCritters from 9/11

Is never trust your intelligence agencies. They might turn on
you.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:01:48 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:

So, if this is a US thing and Russia is right and justified in what
Putin is doing, why is it that Canada, Britain, France, Germany and
8 other European countries are all agreeing with the US position,
that the Russian invasion is illegal and unwarranted?

Money. They gain financially.
Screw the Ukrainians, put a dictator in and end all this fuss
about democracy. Ukraine's main income is the electricity it
transports from Russia to the EU, oil too. Those enterprises will be
"privatized". Which means poverty to the Ukraine.
Egypt and Iraq are doing nicely. They have curfews, and no
more civil rights. But are very profitable.
That's nice.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 05:49:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

You won't have Piers Morgan around for much longer.

I watched how he badgered people about guns - yap yap yap. Ted Nugent
worked him over real well. Morgan later visited Nugent in Texas at is
gun room.

Stuart Varney, a former Brit, has told him to "bugger off"

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/varney-co/index.html#/v/3261110954001

I didn't know that Stuart Varney founded the CNN network?

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 07:47:07 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

I am displaced CR citizen in so many ways. If all things were
possible, I'd be living in Marathon for much more than 9 weeks a year.


Do you pack seafood and take it home?

The passport you mention is said to be good in other countries. Are
you saving for the diplomatic one?

Of course. I think I may also put a CR consulate plaque on my house one
day. Of course, Kay is not so sure she wants to indulge this particular
wish... (grin)

Awww. Tell her it's for the man cave G

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 10:21:07 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 00:55:45 +0100, nestork
wrote:

The US Navy is sending it's ship USS Chosen to tow our crippled vessel
into Pearl Harbour for repairs to it's engines.

Sweep it for bugs when you get it back. Discreetly.

....and double check

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 07:47:07 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

I am displaced CR citizen in so many ways. If all things were
possible, I'd be living in Marathon for much more than 9 weeks a year.


Do you pack seafood and take it home?

Nah. We head from Marathon to Port Everglades and a cruise. Then we
tend to meander home visiting friends, relatives and wineries along the
way. The seafood would somewhat less than fresh by the time we made back
up North.

The passport you mention is said to be good in other countries. Are
you saving for the diplomatic one?

Of course. I think I may also put a CR consulate plaque on my house one
day. Of course, Kay is not so sure she wants to indulge this particular
wish... (grin)

Awww. Tell her it's for the man cave G

I wanted to put the plaque next to the front door.
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but what they conceal is vital."
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My mother is Ukrainian. Her father emigrated to Canada between WWI and II because the Canadian Government promised free land in the prairies to anyone who would settle there and farm that land.

My father was born in Ukraine. He was an apprentice barber at 14 years old when war broke out in Europe in 1939. By 1945 he and his family had made their way through war torn Europe to Austria where he worked in a Displaced Persons camp run by the Allied Forces (America, Britain, Canada, etc.) In that camp, as a teenager he made soap out of the fat produced from animals that were slaughtered for their meat. The Allied forces realized that with lots of people living in that camp, hygiene was of utmost importance so that diseases didn't spread. So, he made soap from animal fat and that soap was available to everyone living in that camp. He and his family then applied to immigrate to Canada, and they were accepted. Our family name back in Ukraine was spelled Kelebaj, but it was pronounced Kele bai. When my dad's family got off the boat in Halifax, there was an immigration worker who was documenting all of the immigrants and asked how to spell our last name. They pronounced it for him (because many letters in Ukrainian don't have an English counter part), and he wrote Kelebay, and it's been spelled that way ever since.

Ukraine is a country divided. The eastern part of Ukraine has a lot of Russian immigrants who moved there after WWII. Those Ukrainians feel that Ukraine should remain part of the Russian sphere of influence. The western part of Ukraine consider themselves part of Europe and for the most part, hate Russia and Russians with a passion. In fact, at the start of WWII, there was a Ukrainian resistance movement that was fighting BOTH the Germans and the Russians.

Western Ukrainians want nothing to do with Russia. They lived for many years as a Soviet State and they saw the corruption that came with communism, and the resulting economic chaos the ensued. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1992, thanks mostly to Mr. Gorbachev, Ukraine became an independant country, but the hatred of Russians and Communism remains a strong motivating factor in western Ukraine. In eastern Ukraine, people long for the old days and the old ways when the USSR was a superpower. So, it's a divided country, and even though I would like to see it remain together, most western Ukrainians would prefer the country split apart; west and east/Crimea, rather than western Ukraine return to communism and Russian rule.

On 3/2/2014 8:27 PM, Oren wrote:

Get off your high horse here, Chris. Disease is not a part of allowing
immigration; nor a policy to preclude entry. It used to be many years
ago..."prohibited the entry of “any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any
person unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a
public charge."

http://immigrationinamerica.org/584-immigration-act-of-1882.html

Tell us about how Haitians with medical problems (TB), or Cubans with
mental disorders should be denied entry (1980).

Both have died landing on our shores. Need some examples?


Get off of an airplane and yell, "I have TB!"

On 3/3/2014 4:47 PM, Steve F. wrote:
On 3/2/2014 8:27 PM, Oren wrote:

Get off your high horse here, Chris. Disease is not a part of allowing


Get off of an airplane and yell, "I have TB!"



I expect a field report from Owen.

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nestork wrote:

My mother is Ukrainian. My father was born in Ukraine.

All four of my great grandparents on my father's side were born in
Ukraine (the western part) but only two emigrated to Canada after WW1.
My father's mother was thus born in Canada. My father's father was born
in Ukraine and also emigrated to Canada well before WW2.

On my mother's side, her parents were Slovak and I think also at least
half of her grandparents, and they (my grandparents and at least two
great grandparents) also emigrated to Canada before WW2.

I visited Moscow and Kiev and Czechoslovakia for a month back in 1978 as
a teenager during a family trip. We brought lots of consumer goods to
give away, and I felt pretty cool being around other kids there -
wearing my Levi blue jeans.

But growing up, I never got a clear sense of Ukraine in terms of east vs
west, or "true Ukrainian" vs Russian-Ukrainian. Same goes for my dad.

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 17:35:13 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I expect a field report from Owen.

He may post one if he ever starts posting here.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:15:13 +0100, nestork
wrote:

When my dad's family got off
the boat in Halifax, there was an immigration worker who was documenting
all of the immigrants and asked how to spell our last name. They
pronounced it for him (because many letters in Ukrainian don't have an
English counter part), and he wrote Kelebay, and it's been spelled that
way ever since.

This was very common at Ellis Island in New York. Immigration
employees might not read or write very well, minimum education, poor
penmanship, etc.

Often found in genecology research.

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 15:53:50 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 07:47:07 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

I am displaced CR citizen in so many ways. If all things were
possible, I'd be living in Marathon for much more than 9 weeks a year.


Do you pack seafood and take it home?

Nah. We head from Marathon to Port Everglades and a cruise. Then we
tend to meander home visiting friends, relatives and wineries along the
way. The seafood would somewhat less than fresh by the time we made back
up North.


When I would go back to the CR or the coastal areas I would package,
freeze them a day or two before going home, and wrap the packages in
news paper. Put them in a foam cooler inside a cardboard box with dry
ice. Never had a problem with them thawing. Driving in Florida or
flying back to PA or NV. Worked well for us.

The passport you mention is said to be good in other countries. Are
you saving for the diplomatic one?

Of course. I think I may also put a CR consulate plaque on my house one
day. Of course, Kay is not so sure she wants to indulge this particular
wish... (grin)

Awww. Tell her it's for the man cave G

I wanted to put the plaque next to the front door.

Then an Ole Salt could find the consulate. Good idea g