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"May 7) -- It seemed like a good idea -- make some extra cash by
selling a diamond ring on Craigslist. But a Washington state man who opened his door to what he thought was a prospective buyer found a band of murderous thieves instead, police said. Jim Sanders, 43, spoke on the phone to a man who responded to his website ad. He gave the man his address in Edgewood, a Tacoma suburb, and set up a meeting time so the buyer could inspect the ring, police said. But when Sanders answered the door on April 28, three men and a woman stood on the doorstep. One of the strangers pulled a gun and the gang forced its way inside, police said." http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...-ring/19469483 |
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"May 7) -- It seemed like a good idea -- make some extra cash by selling a diamond ring on Craigslist. But a Washington state man who opened his door to what he thought was a prospective buyer found a band of murderous thieves instead, police said. Jim Sanders, 43, spoke on the phone to a man who responded to his website ad. He gave the man his address in Edgewood, a Tacoma suburb, and set up a meeting time so the buyer could inspect the ring, police said. But when Sanders answered the door on April 28, three men and a woman stood on the doorstep. One of the strangers pulled a gun and the gang forced its way inside, police said." http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...-ring/19469483 How stupid can one get? -- LSMFT If I wasn't me I wouldn't like me either.......... |
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: "May 7) -- It seemed like a good idea -- make some extra cash by selling a diamond ring on Craigslist. But a Washington state man who opened his door to what he thought was a prospective buyer found a band of murderous thieves instead, police said. Jim Sanders, 43, spoke on the phone to a man who responded to his website ad. He gave the man his address in Edgewood, a Tacoma suburb, and set up a meeting time so the buyer could inspect the ring, police said. But when Sanders answered the door on April 28, three men and a woman stood on the doorstep. One of the strangers pulled a gun and the gang forced its way inside, police said." http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...rs-killed-by-r obbers-who-saw-his-craigslist-ad-for-diamond-ring/19469483 Much better to be robbed by the pawn shop |
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"Oren" wrote in message ... "May 7) -- It seemed like a good idea -- make some extra cash by selling a diamond ring on Craigslist. But a Washington state man who opened his door to what he thought was a prospective buyer found a band of murderous thieves instead, police said. Jim Sanders, 43, spoke on the phone to a man who responded to his website ad. He gave the man his address in Edgewood, a Tacoma suburb, and set up a meeting time so the buyer could inspect the ring, police said. But when Sanders answered the door on April 28, three men and a woman stood on the doorstep. One of the strangers pulled a gun and the gang forced its way inside, police said." http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...-ring/19469483 So what is your point? Theft's happen all the time. If someone wanted to steal a diamond ring I can think of a lot easier ways than responding to a craigslist ad. As an example if one were to go to a grocery store in an affluent neighborhood and just wait until you see one that you would like to steal and then car jack the owner of the ring. If anything the craigslist case proves it was a rather lousy plan. Not only did they get arrested, but they got into a tousle and now they are facing the death penalty. Robbing a bank would be so much easier than boosting a wedding ring. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. |
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Roger Shoaf wrote:
"Oren" wrote in message ... "May 7) -- It seemed like a good idea -- make some extra cash by selling a diamond ring on Craigslist. But a Washington state man who opened his door to what he thought was a prospective buyer found a band of murderous thieves instead, police said. Jim Sanders, 43, spoke on the phone to a man who responded to his website ad. He gave the man his address in Edgewood, a Tacoma suburb, and set up a meeting time so the buyer could inspect the ring, police said. But when Sanders answered the door on April 28, three men and a woman stood on the doorstep. One of the strangers pulled a gun and the gang forced its way inside, police said." http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...-ring/19469483 So what is your point? Theft's happen all the time. If someone wanted to steal a diamond ring I can think of a lot easier ways than responding to a craigslist ad. As an example if one were to go to a grocery store in an affluent neighborhood and just wait until you see one that you would like to steal and then car jack the owner of the ring. If anything the craigslist case proves it was a rather lousy plan. Not only did they get arrested, but they got into a tousle and now they are facing the death penalty. Robbing a bank would be so much easier than boosting a wedding ring. Various guides on how to use CL and similar services always recommend meeting in a public place for initial contacts. In a small town like this nobody bothers, but I have seen ads worded like they would prefer neutral ground to look at stuff. I don't want to seem crass in the face of a tragedy, but even something as innocent as a garage sale can be used as a way to case a house. People I know refuse to have them for just that reason. They don't want strangers to have an excuse to eyeball the layout, the quality of other stuff stored in garage, to make friends with their dog under innocent circumstances, etc. I'm not losing sleep over it, but then again I'm not selling any high-dollar items. Entire contents of this house would probably only bring a couple grand from a fence. -- aem sends... |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 18:12:34 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
wrote: "Oren" wrote in message .. . So what is your point? Nothing special but to just be careful. Theft's happen all the time. If someone wanted to steal a diamond ring I can think of a lot easier ways than responding to a craigslist ad. As an example if one were to go to a grocery store in an affluent neighborhood and just wait until you see one that you would like to steal and then car jack the owner of the ring. If anything the craigslist case proves it was a rather lousy plan. Not only did they get arrested, but they got into a tousle and now they are facing the death penalty. Robbing a bank would be so much easier than boosting a wedding ring. Some people are not really savvy and do silly things: ex., steal fish from a controlled environment test site. Bank robbery is about a 25 year bit in the feds. Stolen fish will get you two years in the pokey. Just be careful, Y' all! |
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"Roger Shoaf" wrote Robbing a bank would be so much easier than boosting a wedding ring. It certainly is. A few weeks ago a couple of guys here it CT wanted to rob a bank. They were smart enough to call ahead so the bank would have the money ready for them. Another genius did not take that step, but he was apprehended outside the bank waiting for a cab for the get-a-way. I thought robbing banks would be a somewhat rare crime, but in our state alone there are hundreds every year. |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 22:00:17 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote: I thought robbing banks would be a somewhat rare crime, but in our state alone there are hundreds every year. "Meet Willie Sutton Willie Sutton was a refreshing hood. He robbed banks and he was good at it. He made no bones about that. He usually packed a gun, either a pistol or a Thompson submachine gun--"You can't rob a bank on charm and personality"--but took a professional's pride in never using it. Sutton stole from the rich and he kept it, though in later years he was popular with the public through some misplaced Robin Hood idea." When they asked Willie why he robbed banks, his answer was that was where the money was. |
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Oren wrote:
"May 7) -- It seemed like a good idea -- make some extra cash by selling a diamond ring on Craigslist. But a Washington state man who opened his door to what he thought was a prospective buyer found a band of murderous thieves instead, police said. Jim Sanders, 43, spoke on the phone to a man who responded to his website ad. He gave the man his address in Edgewood, a Tacoma suburb, and set up a meeting time so the buyer could inspect the ring, police said. But when Sanders answered the door on April 28, three men and a woman stood on the doorstep. One of the strangers pulled a gun and the gang forced its way inside, police said." http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...-ring/19469483 That was a regular Rainbow Coalition of Robbers. I saw that one of the perps was a Hurricane Katrina migrant. I wonder how many crimes have been committed by such folk in quiet communities that open their doors to people displaced by Hurricane Katrina? It's such a shame, the victims are really nice people who seem like the type who would help anyone in need. TDD |
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"Roger Shoaf" wrote Robbing a bank would be so much easier than boosting a wedding ring. It certainly is. A few weeks ago a couple of guys here it CT wanted to rob a bank. They were smart enough to call ahead so the bank would have the money ready for them. Another genius did not take that step, but he was apprehended outside the bank waiting for a cab for the get-a-way. I thought robbing banks would be a somewhat rare crime, but in our state alone there are hundreds every year. Well, the state could institute a program to catch and release after sterilization so the dumbasses can't reproduce. TDD |
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On May 10, 9:12*pm, "Roger Shoaf" wrote:
So what is your point? Theft's happen all the time. *If someone wanted to steal a diamond ring I can think of a lot easier ways than responding to a craigslist ad. *As an example if one were to go to a grocery store in an affluent neighborhood and just wait until you see one that you would like to steal and then car jack the owner of the ring. If anything the craigslist case proves it was a rather lousy plan. *Not only did they get arrested, but they got into a tousle and now they are facing the death penalty. Robbing a bank would be so much easier than boosting a wedding ring. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. This was not just a theft, it was a home invasion as well... The value of the item stolen will place the theft in the felony category... The tying up of the victims of the theft/home invasion is kidnapping/hostage taking... They clearly planned this event in advance going so far as to bring multiple firearms and ropes/cords to use in securing the victims which brings a conspiracy charge into play also... So the fact that the death occurred during the commission of multiple felonies makes it clearly a case of felony murder, the DA need not even prove that the killers intended to kill someone during the crime, only that they did commit another felony offense and someone died during its commission... Your idea about the casing a grocery store in an affluent area to car jack someone who walks around wearing lots of rich stuff is exactly why car jacking is a most serious offense and is punished much more harshly upon conviction than a case of simple theft of a motor vehicle... Committing a bank robbery is not as easy as you make it sound, there are cash control policies in place so you would not be able to get more than $3,000 cash from each teller drawer... To say nothing about the fact that from the second you step into a bank you are being recorded by CCTV cameras from every angle... So yes, it would be much easier to steal and fence an antique ring from unsuspecting parties in their own home compared to attempting to rob a bank which is a hardened target... ~~ Evan |
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On May 11, 5:05�pm, Evan wrote:
On May 10, 9:12�pm, "Roger Shoaf" wrote: So what is your point? Theft's happen all the time. �If someone wanted to steal a diamond ring I can think of a lot easier ways than responding to a craigslist ad. �As an example if one were to go to a grocery store in an affluent neighborhood and just wait until you see one that you would like to steal and then car jack the owner of the ring. If anything the craigslist case proves it was a rather lousy plan. �Not only did they get arrested, but they got into a tousle and now they are facing the death penalty. Robbing a bank would be so much easier than boosting a wedding ring. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. This was not just a theft, it was a home invasion as well... �The value of the item stolen will place the theft in the felony category... �The tying up of the victims of the theft/home invasion is kidnapping/hostage taking... They clearly planned this event in advance going so far as to bring multiple firearms and ropes/cords to use in securing the victims which brings a conspiracy charge into play also... �So the fact that the death occurred during the commission of multiple felonies makes it clearly a case of felony murder, the DA need not even prove that the killers intended to kill someone during the crime, only that they did commit another felony offense and someone died during its commission... Your idea about the casing a grocery store in an affluent area to car jack someone who walks around wearing lots of rich stuff is exactly why car jacking is a most serious offense and is punished much more harshly upon conviction than a case of simple theft of a motor vehicle... Committing a bank robbery is not as easy as you make it sound, there are cash control policies in place so you would not be able to get more than $3,000 cash from each teller drawer... �To say nothing about the fact that from the second you step into a bank you are being recorded by CCTV cameras from every angle... So yes, it would be much easier to steal and fence an antique ring from unsuspecting parties in their own home compared to attempting to rob a bank which is a hardened target... ~~ Evan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nasty violent place the USA. |
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In article , harry wrote:
Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of -Europe.html |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 23:09:33 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote: That was a regular Rainbow Coalition of Robbers. I saw that one of the perps was a Hurricane Katrina migrant. I wonder how many crimes have been committed by such folk in quiet communities that open their doors to people displaced by Hurricane Katrina? It's such a shame, the victims are really nice people who seem like the type who would help anyone in need. The cops could learn a lesson here. Setup a reverse sting operation and collect the predators for further examination. A former Katrina victim came here. She and her daughter have a Cajun Food restaurant, good food. The seafood is shipped from Louisiana (that may soon change with the oil slick). Cops sting pedophiles - why not murderers.... |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 23:09:33 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: That was a regular Rainbow Coalition of Robbers. I saw that one of the perps was a Hurricane Katrina migrant. I wonder how many crimes have been committed by such folk in quiet communities that open their doors to people displaced by Hurricane Katrina? It's such a shame, the victims are really nice people who seem like the type who would help anyone in need. The cops could learn a lesson here. Setup a reverse sting operation and collect the predators for further examination. A former Katrina victim came here. She and her daughter have a Cajun Food restaurant, good food. The seafood is shipped from Louisiana (that may soon change with the oil slick). Cops sting pedophiles - why not murderers.... I do believe there was a real problem with deadly home invasions in Florida and the police started a sting to catch home invaders. I searched a little but didn't find any particulars. TDD |
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On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Give me a break. The UK should allow bullets for citizens, allow sharp pointed sticks and edged garden implements. Tools of the trade so to speak. Next, the UK will ban fairy dust, Unicorns and Nigerian goats. Maybe before that, it will be sharpened tooth brushes? |
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Oren wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Give me a break. The UK should allow bullets for citizens, allow sharp pointed sticks and edged garden implements. Tools of the trade so to speak. Next, the UK will ban fairy dust, Unicorns and Nigerian goats. Maybe before that, it will be sharpened tooth brushes? If you defend yourself in your own home when attacked by a career criminal, you will be arrested for harming the criminal and the charges against you will be more harsh than those leveled against the criminal. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9a_1260906888&c=1 http://preview.tinyurl.com/y8kolym http://www.securedhome.co.uk/jailed-...ding-home.html TDD |
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On May 10, 2:23*pm, LSMFT wrote:
Oren wrote: "May 7) -- It seemed like a good idea -- make some extra cash by selling a diamond ring on Craigslist. But a Washington state man who opened his door to what he thought was a prospective buyer found a band of murderous thieves instead, police said. Jim Sanders, 43, spoke on the phone to a man who responded to his website ad. He gave the man his address in Edgewood, a Tacoma suburb, and set up a meeting time so the buyer could inspect the ring, police said. But when Sanders answered the door on April 28, three men and a woman stood on the doorstep. One of the strangers pulled a gun and the gang forced its way inside, police said." http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...ders-killed-by... How stupid can one get? -- LSMFT If I wasn't me I wouldn't like me either.......... Stupid? Saw one of the females who IIRC was the getaway driver leaving (escorted) the courtroom "It's not fair. I was only in the car and had nothing to do with what happened, why should I get the DP?" Maybe her lawyer will take the time to educate her about the law. 'all participants in a crime are equally guilty'. At least that is it in this state (WA). Harry K |
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On May 11, 8:43�pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital�-of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. |
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"harry" wrote Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. I'd like to see more of a breakdown on that too. I'm sure it will still be high, but look at all murders, not just firearm related ones. It would also be interesting to see how many are by non-USA citizens. That would either inflame or put to rest the illegal immigrant argument on murders. I was also surprised at the next chart showing the suicide of children less than 15 y. o. in Ireland using guns. |
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On 5/12/2010 7:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"harry" wrote Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. I'd like to see more of a breakdown on that too. I'm sure it will still be high, but look at all murders, not just firearm related ones. It would also be interesting to see how many are by non-USA citizens. That would either inflame or put to rest the illegal immigrant argument on murders. I was also surprised at the next chart showing the suicide of children less than 15 y. o. in Ireland using guns. These are fairly useless figures unless you also show the murder and suicide rates from all causes. If you have draconian gun control laws so that the average citizen can't off himself with a gun but people are jumping off every available bridge or building, then what have you accomplished? People are still dying; they've just had to find another way. The same with murder: if you can't shoot somebody but you instead dispatch him with a baseball bat, who have you saved? No one. No doubt his widow will be relieved he wasn't shot. I look at a country like Japan where suicides are fairly common and yet there are very few guns. Their suicide rate is much higher than the USA's but their suicide by gun rates are very low. So Japan appears to be safer for the terminally depressed than living in the USA. Is that the truth though? Somehow the suicidal find a way to accomplish their intentions. Murderers do as well. It's not the tool you need to focus on; it's the intent. One can always find a tool. And apparently, a friendly set of meaningless statistics. Jay |
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harry wrote:
On May 11, 8:43�pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital�-of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. A side by side comparison with automobile related deaths would be interesting. I think there are fewer vehicles than firearms but more deaths and injuries due to vehicles. Automobiles should be banned because, like guns, vehicles will jump up and hurt you by themselves. I should know, I saw the movie Christine. TDD |
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In article , harry wrote:
On May 11, 8:43=EF=BF=BDpm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article .= com, harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of = the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, accordin= g to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html Doesn't change the fact that the UK is in truth *much* more violent than the US. We haven't banned guns here, so our bad guys use guns. You banned guns, so your bad guys used knives instead. Then you banned knives, and your bad guys switched to clubs. When you ban clubs, they'll switch to garrotes. At least *here* the law allows our citizens to defend themselves against bad guys, unlike citizens of the UK. Oh, wait, I forgot. You aren't citizens. You're *subjects*. We used to be, too, but thank God and Thomas Jefferson, we aren't anymore. As I say nasty violent place. An odd comment, coming from a resident of a nation with such a severe violence problem that you found it necessary to ban glass bottles in your pubs. We don't need to do that. The UK is the most violent nation in Europe, demonstrably more violent than anywhere else in the English-speaking world. The statistics show clearly that the UK is a *far* more violent place than the US. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. Ummm, no, you apparently have us confused with Iran. Were you born this stupid, or did you train? |
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harry wrote:
Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. The higher number of gun-related deaths in the US is mainly due to two causes: suicide, and inner-city gangs shooting each other. Law abiding American citizens with guns are not the problem. Jon |
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On May 12, 12:30�pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"harry" wrote Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. �Also world leader in exporting terrorism. I'd like to see more of a breakdown on that too. �I'm sure it will still be high, but look at all murders, not just firearm related ones. �It would also be interesting to see how many are by non-USA citizens. That would either inflame or put to rest the illegal immigrant argument on murders. I was also surprised at the next chart showing the suicide of children less than 15 y. o. in Ireland using guns. Yes that latter one does sound dodgy, I don't believe thar one myself. Guns in Ireland are there as a result of US exported terrorism. |
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Guns in Ireland are there as a result of US exported terrorism. Wrong again, harry. It's the *guns* that are US-exported. The *terrorists* are all home grown in the UK. You do seem to find it very difficult to admit to yourself the scope of the violence problem in the UK. Your violence problem isn't our fault. Hint: you didn't have much of a violence problem when your laws allowed your subjects the right of self-defense, and your courts put malefactors in prison where they belong. Now, if a subject uses force to defend himself against an attack, *he's* the one in trouble with the law, not the attacker. We don't do it that way here in the U.S., and that's why we don't have anywhere near the violence problem that you do. |
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On May 12, 1:23�pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote: harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital� -of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. �Also world leader in exporting terrorism. A side by side comparison with automobile related deaths would be interesting. I think there are fewer vehicles than firearms but more deaths and injuries due to vehicles. Automobiles should be banned because, like guns, vehicles will jump up and hurt you by themselves. I should know, I saw the movie Christine. TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Christine. Ah yes I have the video. Stephen King. And there's me thinking it to be fiction. Handguns have no other function but to kill people. Cars only kill people when piloted by the drunk, drugged, incompetent or the foolish. Ah, the comparison. http://www.photius.com/rankings/road...ings_2009.html |
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On May 12, 1:57�pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43=EF=BF=BDpm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article .= com, harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of = the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, accordin= g to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital�-of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html Doesn't change the fact that the UK is in truth *much* more violent than the US. We haven't banned guns here, so our bad guys use guns. You banned guns, so your bad guys used knives instead. Then you banned knives, and your bad guys switched to clubs. When you ban clubs, they'll switch to garrotes. At least *here* the law allows our citizens to defend themselves against bad guys, unlike citizens of the UK. Oh, wait, I forgot. You aren't citizens. You're *subjects*. We used to be, too, but thank God and Thomas Jefferson, we aren't anymore. As I say nasty violent place. � An odd comment, coming from a resident of a nation with such a severe violence problem that you found it necessary to ban glass bottles in your pubs. We don't need to do that. The UK is the most violent nation in Europe, demonstrably more violent than anywhere else in the English-speaking world. The statistics show clearly that the UK is a *far* more violent place than the US. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. Ummm, no, you apparently have us confused with Iran. Were you born this stupid, or did you train?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Let's see these statistics you refer to. The USA has exported terrorism to virtually every country in South and Central America. It has invaded and occupied places in the Carribean and Pacific without reason. It still occupies Hawaii and Puerto Rico though recently forced out of the Philipines. It has exported terrorism to the Middle East and the UK. You illegally invaded Iraq. You provide your Jewish friends with cluster bombs and phosphorus to use on civilians. And then you wonder why 11/9 happened? Hmm you single out Iran. I seem to remember you shot down a civilian airliner on it's lawful course and business belonging to Iran. That cost the US taxpayer a few million bucks in compensation. |
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On May 12, 1:57�pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43=EF=BF=BDpm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article .= com, harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of = the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, accordin= g to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital�-of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html Doesn't change the fact that the UK is in truth *much* more violent than the US. We haven't banned guns here, so our bad guys use guns. You banned guns, so your bad guys used knives instead. Then you banned knives, and your bad guys switched to clubs. When you ban clubs, they'll switch to garrotes. At least *here* the law allows our citizens to defend themselves against bad guys, unlike citizens of the UK. Oh, wait, I forgot. You aren't citizens. You're *subjects*. We used to be, too, but thank God and Thomas Jefferson, we aren't anymore. As I say nasty violent place. � An odd comment, coming from a resident of a nation with such a severe violence problem that you found it necessary to ban glass bottles in your pubs. We don't need to do that. The UK is the most violent nation in Europe, demonstrably more violent than anywhere else in the English-speaking world. The statistics show clearly that the UK is a *far* more violent place than the US. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. Ummm, no, you apparently have us confused with Iran. Were you born this stupid, or did you train?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh BTW, I am a subject of HM the Queen. The Queen is infalliable (unlike the pope). Have you ever known her to be wrong? The most experienced head of state on the planet. If we didn't have the Queen the alternative would be the likes of George Bush or Saddam Hussein. Perish the thought. |
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On May 12, 7:28�pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , harry wrote: Guns in Ireland are there as a result of US exported terrorism. Wrong again, harry. It's the *guns* that are US-exported. The *terrorists* are all home grown in the UK. You do seem to find it very difficult to admit to yourself the scope of the violence problem in the UK. Your violence problem isn't our fault. Hint: you didn't have much of a violence problem when your laws allowed your subjects the right of self-defense, and your courts put malefactors in prison where they belong. Now, if a subject uses force to defend himself against an attack, *he's* the one in trouble with the law, not the attacker. We don't do it that way here in the U.S., and that's why we don't have anywhere near the violence problem that you do. The IRA was largely funded by the good citzens of Philadephia. Never heard of the "Irish Widows" fund? Funding was eventually cut off when Bush was forced to agree to the assets pursuit and freezing of terrorist organisations world wide. We feel quite pleased over here that the 11/9 plane passengers were mostly from Philadelphia. Able to experience the effects of terrorism forst hand for the first time. |
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In article , harry wrote:
On May 12, 1:57=EF=BF=BDpm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article = ..com, harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43=3DEF=3DBF=3DBDpm, (Doug Miller) wrot= e: In article = ps.=3D com, harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html Doesn't change the fact that the UK is in truth *much* more violent than the US. We haven't banned guns here, so our bad guys use guns. You banned guns, so your bad guys used knives instead. Then you banned knives, and your bad guys switched to clubs. When you ban clubs, they'll switch to garrotes. At least *here* the law allows our citizens to defend themselves against bad guys, unlike citizens of the UK. Oh, wait, I forgot. You aren't citizens. You're *subjects*. We used to be, too, but thank God and Thomas Jefferson, we aren't anymore. As I say nasty violent place. An odd comment, coming from a resident of a nation with such a severe violence problem that you found it necessary to ban glass bottles in your pubs. We don't need to do that. The UK is the most violent nation in Europe, demonstrably more violent than anywhere else in the English-speaking world. The statistics show clearly that the UK is a *far* more violent place than the US. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. Ummm, no, you apparently have us confused with Iran. Were you born this stupid, or did you train?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Let's see these statistics you refer to. Cited in the article I excerpted above. Apparently you couldn't trouble yourself to read it. The USA has exported terrorism to virtually every country in South and Central America. False. You don't seem able to distinguish between exporting firearms and exporting terrorism. It has invaded and occupied places in the Carribean and Pacific True without reason. False. It still occupies Hawaii Hawaii is not "occupied", you ass. It's one of the 50 states. It's no more "occupied" by the U.S. than Ohio is -- or Scotland is "occupied" by England. Harry, you're an idiot. You know nothing of what you speak, yet that doesn't slow you down at all. Perhaps if you pulled your head out of your arse long enough to actually read a few facts, you wouldn't seem such a dolt. |
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In article , harry wrote:
On May 12, 7:28=EF=BF=BDpm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article = ..com, harry wrote: Guns in Ireland are there as a result of US exported terrorism. Wrong again, harry. It's the *guns* that are US-exported. The *terrorists* are all home grown in the UK. You do seem to find it very difficult to admit to yourself the scope of the violence problem in the UK. Your violence problem isn't our fault. Hint: you didn't have much of a violence problem when your laws allowed your subjects the right of self-defense, and your courts put malefactors in prison where they belong. Now, if a subject uses force to defend himself against an attack, *he's* the one in trouble with the law, not the attacker. We don't do it that way here in the U.S., and that's why we don't have anywhere near the violence problem that you do. The IRA was largely funded by the good citzens of Philadephia. Obviously the UK collectively did not learn any lessons from 1776. Your problem with Irish terrorists was created by the insane policies of *your* government. Stop trying to blame us for a problem that you created. |
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harry wrote:
On May 12, 1:57�pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43=EF=BF=BDpm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article .= com, harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of = the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, accordin= g to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital�-of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html Doesn't change the fact that the UK is in truth *much* more violent than the US. We haven't banned guns here, so our bad guys use guns. You banned guns, so your bad guys used knives instead. Then you banned knives, and your bad guys switched to clubs. When you ban clubs, they'll switch to garrotes. At least *here* the law allows our citizens to defend themselves against bad guys, unlike citizens of the UK. Oh, wait, I forgot. You aren't citizens. You're *subjects*. We used to be, too, but thank God and Thomas Jefferson, we aren't anymore. As I say nasty violent place. � An odd comment, coming from a resident of a nation with such a severe violence problem that you found it necessary to ban glass bottles in your pubs. We don't need to do that. The UK is the most violent nation in Europe, demonstrably more violent than anywhere else in the English-speaking world. The statistics show clearly that the UK is a *far* more violent place than the US. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. Ummm, no, you apparently have us confused with Iran. Were you born this stupid, or did you train?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh BTW, I am a subject of HM the Queen. The Queen is infalliable (unlike the pope). Have you ever known her to be wrong? The most experienced head of state on the planet. If we didn't have the Queen the alternative would be the likes of George Bush or Saddam Hussein. Perish the thought. Oh my God! You could wind up with an Affirmative Action President like we now have. *snicker* TDD |
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On May 12, 1:23�pm, The Daring Dufas wrote: harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital� -of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. �Also world leader in exporting terrorism. A side by side comparison with automobile related deaths would be interesting. I think there are fewer vehicles than firearms but more deaths and injuries due to vehicles. Automobiles should be banned because, like guns, vehicles will jump up and hurt you by themselves. I should know, I saw the movie Christine. TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Christine. Ah yes I have the video. Stephen King. And there's me thinking it to be fiction. Handguns have no other function but to kill people. Funny, I thought they were to keep the other fellow with a handgun (or whatever) from killing ME. -- aem sends... |
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"Jay Hanig" wrote in message ... On 5/12/2010 7:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: "harry" wrote Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. I'd like to see more of a breakdown on that too. I'm sure it will still be high, but look at all murders, not just firearm related ones. It would also be interesting to see how many are by non-USA citizens. That would either inflame or put to rest the illegal immigrant argument on murders. I was also surprised at the next chart showing the suicide of children less than 15 y. o. in Ireland using guns. These are fairly useless figures unless you also show the murder and suicide rates from all causes. If you have draconian gun control laws so that the average citizen can't off himself with a gun but people are jumping off every available bridge or building, then what have you accomplished? People are still dying; they've just had to find another way. The same with murder: if you can't shoot somebody but you instead dispatch him with a baseball bat, who have you saved? No one. No doubt his widow will be relieved he wasn't shot. Rather sad on the news tonight was the school children in China being killed. They have strong gun laws so the murderers are using knives, hammers, and cleavers instead. |
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harry wrote: On May 12, 1:23�pm, The Daring Dufas wrote: harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital� -of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. �Also world leader in exporting terrorism. A side by side comparison with automobile related deaths would be interesting. I think there are fewer vehicles than firearms but more deaths and injuries due to vehicles. Automobiles should be banned because, like guns, vehicles will jump up and hurt you by themselves. I should know, I saw the movie Christine. TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Christine. Ah yes I have the video. Stephen King. And there's me thinking it to be fiction. Handguns have no other function but to kill people. Funny, I thought they were to keep the other fellow with a handgun (or whatever) from killing ME. You can crack nuts with one or, blow them off. TDD |
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On May 12, 8:00�pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , harry wrote: On May 12, 1:57=EF=BF=BDpm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article = ..com, harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43=3DEF=3DBF=3DBDpm, (Doug Miller) wrot= e: In article = ps.=3D com, harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital�-of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html Doesn't change the fact that the UK is in truth *much* more violent than the US. We haven't banned guns here, so our bad guys use guns. You banned guns, so your bad guys used knives instead. Then you banned knives, and your bad guys switched to clubs. When you ban clubs, they'll switch to garrotes. At least *here* the law allows our citizens to defend themselves against bad guys, unlike citizens of the UK. Oh, wait, I forgot. You aren't citizens. You're *subjects*. We used to be, too, but thank God and Thomas Jefferson, we aren't anymore. As I say nasty violent place. An odd comment, coming from a resident of a nation with such a severe violence problem that you found it necessary to ban glass bottles in your pubs. We don't need to do that. The UK is the most violent nation in Europe, demonstrably more violent than anywhere else in the English-speaking world. The statistics show clearly that the UK is a *far* more violent place than the US. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. Ummm, no, you apparently have us confused with Iran. Were you born this stupid, or did you train?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Let's see these statistics you refer to. Cited in the article I excerpted above. Apparently you couldn't trouble yourself to read it. The USA has exported terrorism to virtually every country in South and Central America. False. You don't seem able to distinguish between exporting firearms and exporting terrorism. It has invaded and occupied places in the Carribean and Pacific True without reason. False. It still occupies Hawaii Hawaii is not "occupied", you ass. It's one of the 50 states. It's no more "occupied" by the U.S. than Ohio is -- or Scotland is "occupied" by England. Harry, you're an idiot. You know nothing of what you speak, yet that doesn't slow you down at all. Perhaps if you pulled your head out of your arse long enough to actually read a few facts, you wouldn't seem such a dolt.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The link didn't work.. Hawaii. Was forced into the USA by a vote that included thousands of US servicemen stationed there at the time. They far outnumbered the native Hawaiians. It was admitted in congress (Clintons era, 1993) that the incorporation of Hawaii was illegal. If you aren't aware of it, the state flag of Hawaii incorporates the british flag "union jack". This is because the Hawaiians wanted to join the British empire. They wanted our monarchy having experienced republicanism first hand. Many Kings and Queens of Hawaii have been illegally detained by the USA, one quite recently. The Hawaiians want their islands back. Hadn't you heard? Bit on the topic he- http://www.freehawaii.org/ Like most Americans you're very ignorant of your own history. I expect you watch Fox News. Why not try Aljazeera or the BBC? Or better just get yourself down to the library and read a non-fiction book or two. And you further reveal your ignorance, many Scots, Irish and Welsh do consider themselves to be occupied by the English. You could start with a history of the Spanish /American war before you come spouting BS here. Oh and try something about Cuba too. (Written by a non-American.) There's nobody got their heads further up theur arses than republicans. |
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wrote: aemeijers wrote: harry wrote: On May 12, 1:23 pm, The Daring Dufas wrote: harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital� -of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. A side by side comparison with automobile related deaths would be interesting. I think there are fewer vehicles than firearms but more deaths and injuries due to vehicles. Automobiles should be banned because, like guns, vehicles will jump up and hurt you by themselves. I should know, I saw the movie Christine. TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Christine. Ah yes I have the video. �Stephen King. And there's me thinking it to be fiction. Handguns have no other function but to kill people. Funny, I thought they were to keep the other fellow with a handgun (or whatever) from killing ME. You can crack nuts with one or, blow them off. TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Right, Now there's the mentality. |
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On May 13, 12:19�am, aemeijers wrote:
harry wrote: On May 12, 1:23 pm, The Daring Dufas wrote: harry wrote: On May 11, 8:43 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , harry wrote: Nasty violent place the USA. Not as nasty, or as violent, as the UK: UK is violent crime capital of Europe The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research. By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. http://www.telegraph.co. uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital� -of -Europe.html Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. A side by side comparison with automobile related deaths would be interesting. I think there are fewer vehicles than firearms but more deaths and injuries due to vehicles. Automobiles should be banned because, like guns, vehicles will jump up and hurt you by themselves. I should know, I saw the movie Christine. TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Christine. Ah yes I have the video. �Stephen King. And there's me thinking it to be fiction. Handguns have no other function but to kill people. Funny, I thought they were to keep the other fellow with a handgun (or whatever) from killing ME. -- aem sends...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If no-one has a gun, no-one gets killed with a gun. It's this scumbag gun culture that results in these numerous school massacres in the US. I bet the parents of these kids wished they had lived somewhere else at the time, |
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"Jay Hanig" wrote in message ... On 5/12/2010 7:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: "harry" wrote Comparative statistics here USA/Rest of the world:- http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...S/GUNSTAT.html As I say nasty violent place. Also world leader in exporting terrorism. I'd like to see more of a breakdown on that too. I'm sure it will still be high, but look at all murders, not just firearm related ones. It would also be interesting to see how many are by non-USA citizens. That would either inflame or put to rest the illegal immigrant argument on murders. I was also surprised at the next chart showing the suicide of children less than 15 y. o. in Ireland using guns. These are fairly useless figures unless you also show the murder and suicide rates from all causes. If you have draconian gun control laws so that the average citizen can't off himself with a gun but people are jumping off every available bridge or building, then what have you accomplished? �People are still dying; they've just had to find another way. The same with murder: �if you can't shoot somebody but you instead dispatch him with a baseball bat, who have you saved? �No one. �No doubt his widow will be relieved he wasn't shot. Rather sad on the news tonight was the school children in China being killed. �They have strong gun laws so the murderers are using knives, hammers, and cleavers instead.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep very sad. If they'd had guns instead of knives they could have killed SO many more. Maybe even got all the little perishers. Maybe a few of the police. Maybe even escaped. |
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