Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy
ammunition. 100 Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition
from the shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or
hardware store and put that ammunition in the hands of
law-abiding citizens. Make your support of the Second
Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United
States of America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment
supporter buys 100 rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION
rounds in the hands of law-abiding citizens!


The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt
of all the frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out
of business. Well, not if we can help it! And we CAN help
it by buying ammunition on November 19!

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:40:14 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

[snip]

The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt
of all the frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out
of business. Well, not if we can help it! And we CAN help
it by buying ammunition on November 19!




It's also No Smoking Day.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:40:14 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy
ammunition. 100 Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition
from the shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or
hardware store and put that ammunition in the hands of
law-abiding citizens. Make your support of the Second
Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United
States of America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment
supporter buys 100 rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION
rounds in the hands of law-abiding citizens!


The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt
of all the frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out
of business. Well, not if we can help it! And we CAN help
it by buying ammunition on November 19!




And you're going to limit this to law abiding citizens how?

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy
ammunition. 100 Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition
from the shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or
hardware store and put that ammunition in the hands of
law-abiding citizens. Make your support of the Second
Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United
States of America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment
supporter buys 100 rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION
rounds in the hands of law-abiding citizens!


The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt
of all the frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out
of business. Well, not if we can help it! And we CAN help
it by buying ammunition on November 19!


Where have you been, or not been, for the last several months? There is
basically no ammo out there to be purchased as it was all purchased and
hoarded by the ultra conservative nuts after the last election. Hell, I
have had 9mm on order since early September and now it is not expected
in until December 21st and I would be willing to bet that gets changed
again.

The ammo manufacturers are certainly not going out of business. In fact,
they have been working three shifts just attempting to keep up with demand.

Just point your browser to http://tinyurl.com/yb7ndrq and note that
after you get down to the 4th row (after the specialty stuff) that
everything is back ordered!

In short, your idea is not only a bad idea, it is also several months late.

Don

"IGot2P" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy ammunition. 100
Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition from the shelves
of your local gun store, sporting goods, or hardware store and put that
ammunition in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Make your support of
the Second Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United States of
America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment supporter buys 100 rounds
of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION rounds in the hands of law-abiding
citizens!


The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt of all the
frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out of business. Well, not
if we can help it! And we CAN help it by buying ammunition on November
19!


Where have you been, or not been, for the last several months? There is
basically no ammo out there to be purchased as it was all purchased and
hoarded by the ultra conservative nuts after the last election. Hell, I
have had 9mm on order since early September and now it is not expected in
until December 21st and I would be willing to bet that gets changed again.

The ammo manufacturers are certainly not going out of business. In fact,
they have been working three shifts just attempting to keep up with
demand.

Just point your browser to http://tinyurl.com/yb7ndrq and note that after
you get down to the 4th row (after the specialty stuff) that everything is
back ordered!


Holy crap. I haven't checked ammo prices in a while. That site gave me a
headache. Two years ago, I bought .40 cal Speer Lawman for $10 per box.

IGot2P wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy ammunition. 100
Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition from the
shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or hardware store and
put that ammunition in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Make your
support of the Second Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United States of
America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment supporter buys 100
rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION rounds in the hands of
law-abiding citizens!


The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt of all the
frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out of business. Well,
not if we can help it! And we CAN help it by buying ammunition on
November 19!


Where have you been, or not been, for the last several months? There is
basically no ammo out there to be purchased as it was all purchased and
hoarded by the ultra conservative nuts after the last election. Hell, I
have had 9mm on order since early September and now it is not expected
in until December 21st and I would be willing to bet that gets changed
again.

The ammo manufacturers are certainly not going out of business. In fact,
they have been working three shifts just attempting to keep up with demand.

Just point your browser to http://tinyurl.com/yb7ndrq and note that
after you get down to the 4th row (after the specialty stuff) that
everything is back ordered!

In short, your idea is not only a bad idea, it is also several months late.

Don


For sure, ammo has been in short supply for the exact reason you
described. And the cost of the little that is available is breathtaking.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy
ammunition. 100 Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition
from the shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or
hardware store and put that ammunition in the hands of
law-abiding citizens. Make your support of the Second
Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United
States of America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment
supporter buys 100 rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION
rounds in the hands of law-abiding citizens!


CORRECTION:

Each person buying 100 rounds is patchwork. There are (about) 260 million
guns in the U.S. What needs to happen is each gun owner should buy 100
rounds PER WEAPON. For example, 100 rounds of 9 mm for my Uzi won't fit my
AK47 no matter how many curse words I use. If that kind of standard is
followed, we're talking 26 billion bullets.

Sadly, though, there are not 26 billion cartridges, nor, for that matter,
7.5 billion, available for sale. On the plus side, ammunition has a
shelf-life measured in multiple decades, so one could start stocking up (and
hope that he's not overtaken by events).

The market is, however, growing. A report out just today says there were
over 1 million gun purchases in September (+12%). While gun owners are often
like cat owners (they typically have more than one), this increase no doubt
includes a significant number of first-time buyers.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6917828.ece

On 11/17/2009 5:40 AM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United
States of America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment
supporter buys 100 rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION
rounds in the hands of law-abiding citizens!

So how, exactly, do you know that all of these ammo-buyers are what you
call "law-abiding citizens"?

This oughta be interesting ...


--
I am a Canadian who was born and raised in The Netherlands. I live on
Planet Earth on a spot of land called Canada. We have noisy neighbours.

- harvested from Usenet

Anyone caught smoking on Nov 19 will be shot. And now I've
got the bullet to do it with.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Sam E" wrote in message
...
it by buying ammunition on November 19!




It's also No Smoking Day.

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"dgk" wrote in message
...

And you're going to limit this to law abiding citizens how?

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:44:04 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 11/17/2009 5:40 AM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United
States of America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment
supporter buys 100 rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION
rounds in the hands of law-abiding citizens!

So how, exactly, do you know that all of these ammo-buyers are what you
call "law-abiding citizens"?


What's your point?

On 11/17/2009 4:37 PM spake thus:

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:44:04 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 11/17/2009 5:40 AM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United
States of America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment
supporter buys 100 rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION
rounds in the hands of law-abiding citizens!

So how, exactly, do you know that all of these ammo-buyers are what
you call "law-abiding citizens"?

What's your point?

My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question, is this:
how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the hands of those
you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you off or
otherwise do you harm)?


--
I am a Canadian who was born and raised in The Netherlands. I live on
Planet Earth on a spot of land called Canada. We have noisy neighbours.

- harvested from Usenet

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy
ammunition. 100 Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition
from the shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or
hardware store and put that ammunition in the hands of
law-abiding citizens.

My understanding is that the shelves are already empty, and ammo is as high as
it has ever been in price. This helps how?

And, do you think crooks behaviour will be changed by a
usenet post?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...

My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my
question, is this:
how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the
hands of those
you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you
off or
otherwise do you harm)?


--
I am a Canadian who was born and raised in The Netherlands.
I live on
Planet Earth on a spot of land called Canada. We have noisy
neighbours.

- harvested from Usenet

IGot2P wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy
ammunition. 100 Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition
from the shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or
hardware store and put that ammunition in the hands of
law-abiding citizens. Make your support of the Second
Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United
States of America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment
supporter buys 100 rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION
rounds in the hands of law-abiding citizens!


The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt
of all the frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out
of business. Well, not if we can help it! And we CAN help
it by buying ammunition on November 19!


Where have you been, or not been, for the last several months? There is
basically no ammo out there to be purchased as it was all purchased and
hoarded by the ultra conservative nuts after the last election. Hell, I
have had 9mm on order since early September and now it is not expected
in until December 21st and I would be willing to bet that gets changed
again.

The ammo manufacturers are certainly not going out of business. In fact,
they have been working three shifts just attempting to keep up with demand.

Just point your browser to http://tinyurl.com/yb7ndrq and note that
after you get down to the 4th row (after the specialty stuff) that
everything is back ordered!

In short, your idea is not only a bad idea, it is also several months late.

Don

The volume of ammo that has been purchased over the past year is far far
in excess of anything that could be attributed to "ultra conservative
nuts". The fact is that tens of millions of Americans have been buying
both guns and ammo, including a lot of folks who formerly thought of
themselves as pro gun control. It's been something of an awakening of
people to their gun rights. In some left leaning states there are gun
shortages as well, not just ammo.

On 11/17/2009 5:14 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

And, do you think crooks behaviour will be changed by a
usenet post?

Not in the least.

[The rest of your post was lost due to incorrect settings, apparently,
in your news client that puts everything below into your sig. I'll post
more on this later ...]


--
I am a Canadian who was born and raised in The Netherlands. I live on
Planet Earth on a spot of land called Canada. We have noisy neighbours.

- harvested from Usenet

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:09 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

The market is, however, growing. A report out just today says there were
over 1 million gun purchases in September (+12%). While gun owners are often
like cat owners (they typically have more than one), this increase no doubt
includes a significant number of first-time buyers.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6917828.ece


The report doesn't mention (I know that) how many guns changed hands
over an adult beverage. Then the numbers go up.

Van Chocstraw wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy ammunition. 100
Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition from the
shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or hardware store and
put that ammunition in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Make your
support of the Second Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United States of
America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment supporter buys 100
rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION rounds in the hands of
law-abiding citizens!


The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt of all the
frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out of business. Well,
not if we can help it! And we CAN help it by buying ammunition on
November 19!




All you have to do is mention gun control legislation and guns and ammo
sales skyrocket.

Back door economic stimulus package.

TDD

IGot2P wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


A brief explanation - What is National Ammo Day?
November 19 is National Ammo Day.

It is a nationwide BUYcott of ammunition. You buy ammunition. 100
Rounds a person.

The goals of Ammo Day:

The goal of National Ammo Day is to empty the ammunition from the
shelves of your local gun store, sporting goods, or hardware store and
put that ammunition in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Make your
support of the Second Amendment known--by voting with your dollars!

There are an estimated 75 MILLION gun owners in the United States of
America. If each gun owner or Second Amendment supporter buys 100
rounds of ammunition, that's 7.5 BILLION rounds in the hands of
law-abiding citizens!


The gun/ammunition manufacturers have been taking the brunt of all the
frivolous lawsuits, trying to put these folks out of business. Well,
not if we can help it! And we CAN help it by buying ammunition on
November 19!


Where have you been, or not been, for the last several months? There is
basically no ammo out there to be purchased as it was all purchased and
hoarded by the ultra conservative nuts after the last election. Hell, I
have had 9mm on order since early September and now it is not expected
in until December 21st and I would be willing to bet that gets changed
again.

The ammo manufacturers are certainly not going out of business. In fact,
they have been working three shifts just attempting to keep up with demand.

Just point your browser to http://tinyurl.com/yb7ndrq and note that
after you get down to the 4th row (after the specialty stuff) that
everything is back ordered!

In short, your idea is not only a bad idea, it is also several months late.

Don



Are you one of those ultra conservative nuts?

Remember, gun nuts should always be protected by a properly fitted cup.

TDD

So how, exactly, do you know that all of these ammo-buyers are what
you call "law-abiding citizens"?

What's your point?

My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question, is this:
how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the hands of those
you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you off or
otherwise do you harm)?

Well," if one were too dense" to deduce the flaw in your question,
hence my question, the I'll have to explain.

1. For every box of ammo sold to each non law abiding citizen I would
hope at least one or more boxes would be sold to each law abiding
citizen.

2. If you are implying sales of ammo should be limited because a non
law abiding citizen may purchase some then you must also believe that
sales of cars should be limited. For some non law abiding citizen may
use it as a get away car.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:35:48 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 11/17/2009 5:14 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:


scissor off

[The rest of your post was lost due to incorrect settings, apparently,
in your news client that puts everything below into your sig. I'll post
more on this later ...]

Good luck. Something just won't sink in about top posting..

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:09 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

The market is, however, growing. A report out just today says there
were over 1 million gun purchases in September (+12%). While gun
owners are often like cat owners (they typically have more than
one), this increase no doubt includes a significant number of
first-time buyers.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6917828.ece


The report doesn't mention (I know that) how many guns changed hands
over an adult beverage. Then the numbers go up.

There's another possibility. In some states, possession of a Concealed
Handgun License exempts the bearer from the NICS check, so the FBI has no
knowledge of those transactions (probably not a lot). Some other folks are
also exempt, such as peace officers.

Even though I'm exempt from an NICS check, I make it a practice to NEVER buy
a gun from a dealer.

David Nebenzahl wrote:

What's your point?

My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question, is
this: how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the hands
of those you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you
off or otherwise do you harm)?

Interesting. I hadn't considered that. Now that I have, I still don't care.

Well, I CARE a little bit, but the alternatives are far worse than a
handfull of do-bads stocking up on ammunition. Chances are that the goblins
who end up with a trunkfull of bullets will use them mostly to kill other
goblins. So that's good.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Subject: National Ammo Day


http://www.ammoday.com/


I jumped the gun and bought mine today. I found 200 rnds of 45 at
Walmart today.
--
Jim Rusling
More or Less Retired
Mustang, OK
http://www.rusling.org

Works for me.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...


I bought 1540 rounds of 7.62x25 just a couple of weeks ago;
I'm kind
of tapped out for a while. (I do have 100 rounds of .380
still on
backorder from about 5 or 6 months ago...)

How about if I buy a handgun or two instead? Does that
count? :-)

Bob

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:09 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

The market is, however, growing. A report out just today says there
were over 1 million gun purchases in September (+12%). While gun
owners are often like cat owners (they typically have more than
one), this increase no doubt includes a significant number of
first-time buyers.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6917828.ece


The report doesn't mention (I know that) how many guns changed hands
over an adult beverage. Then the numbers go up.

There's another possibility. In some states, possession of a Concealed
Handgun License exempts the bearer from the NICS check, so the FBI has no
knowledge of those transactions (probably not a lot). Some other folks are
also exempt, such as peace officers.

Even though I'm exempt from an NICS check, I make it a practice to NEVER
buy a gun from a dealer.



So, what do you do if you want a brand new gun?

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.

"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.


In NY State: Show pistol permit to buy pistol ammo. Ammo must match one of
the guns listed on the permit. Rifle ammo: Nobody's ever asked me for
anything but money.

NYC may or may not be different. I have no idea.

dgk wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.

New law in California. Buyer must present identification and that
information, plus a thumbprint, is logged by the seller. Also, all sales
must be face-to-face, i.e., no more internet sales.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
dgk wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.

New law in California. Buyer must present identification and that
information, plus a thumbprint, is logged by the seller. Also, all sales
must be face-to-face, i.e., no more internet sales.

I thought that didn't take effect until January of 2010.

Cheri

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Even though I'm exempt from an NICS check, I make it a practice to
NEVER buy a gun from a dealer.



So, what do you do if you want a brand new gun?

NIB or new to me? For new-to-me, I generally buy guns from individuals at
gun shows (the so-called "gun show loophole"). Of these, there are two
kinds: The guy who rented a table (~$100) to facilitate his private buying
and selling, and the guy walking around with a gun in his hand (code for
"stop me and ask how much I'll take").

I've picked up a couple of guns at estate sales, but they're generally
over-priced.

Hint: If you represent a corporation, the corporation can buy a gun without
a background check. This is most useful for buying fully-automatic weapons.
When asked on the ATF form for the purpose of obtaining a fully-automatic
weapon, the appropriate answer is "investment."

wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:24:19 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

What's your point?

My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question, is
this: how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the hands
of those you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you
off or otherwise do you harm)?

Interesting. I hadn't considered that. Now that I have, I still
don't care.

Well, I CARE a little bit, but the alternatives are far worse than a
handfull of do-bads stocking up on ammunition. Chances are that the
goblins who end up with a trunkfull of bullets will use them mostly
to kill other goblins. So that's good.


Buying ammo now is like buying gold, in more ways than one. You should
have bought both a few years ago when houses were thought to be the
best investment.

Yep. With sufficient ammunition, all other things are obtainable - including
gold.

"Cheri" wrote in
:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
dgk wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.

New law in California. Buyer must present identification and that
information, plus a thumbprint, is logged by the seller. Also, all
sales must be face-to-face, i.e., no more internet sales.

As if that's gonna stop people from driving to Nevada,Arizona,or Oregon and
buying a carload there.
Hell,that's the next criminal enterprise;smuggled out-of-state ammo,sold
out of auto trunks.
then Kalifornia is going to whine for National controls on ammo,and the
Appeaser In Chief and his DemocRAT Congress will oblige them.

I thought that didn't take effect until January of 2010.

Cheri



one more reason for CA residents to stock up early.
Especially the criminal element.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
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"Cheri" wrote in
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dgk wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
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Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.

New law in California. Buyer must present identification and that
information, plus a thumbprint, is logged by the seller. Also, all
sales must be face-to-face, i.e., no more internet sales.

As if that's gonna stop people from driving to Nevada,Arizona,or Oregon
and
buying a carload there.
Hell,that's the next criminal enterprise;smuggled out-of-state ammo,sold
out of auto trunks.
then Kalifornia is going to whine for National controls on ammo,and the
Appeaser In Chief and his DemocRAT Congress will oblige them.

I thought that didn't take effect until January of 2010.

Cheri



one more reason for CA residents to stock up early.
Especially the criminal element.

I'm leaving CA in July of 2010. :-)

Cheri

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"dgk" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.

In NY State: Show pistol permit to buy pistol ammo. Ammo must match one of
the guns listed on the permit. Rifle ammo: Nobody's ever asked me for
anything but money.

NYC may or may not be different. I have no idea.

TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you meet
the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly no pistol
permits specifying specific guns.

HeyBub wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Even though I'm exempt from an NICS check, I make it a practice to
NEVER buy a gun from a dealer.



So, what do you do if you want a brand new gun?

NIB or new to me? For new-to-me, I generally buy guns from individuals at
gun shows (the so-called "gun show loophole"). Of these, there are two
kinds: The guy who rented a table (~$100) to facilitate his private buying
and selling, and the guy walking around with a gun in his hand (code for
"stop me and ask how much I'll take").

I've picked up a couple of guns at estate sales, but they're generally
over-priced.

Hint: If you represent a corporation, the corporation can buy a gun without
a background check. This is most useful for buying fully-automatic weapons.
When asked on the ATF form for the purpose of obtaining a fully-automatic
weapon, the appropriate answer is "investment."

Other than the amusement of blowing $100 in ammo in a few seconds on the
range, why exactly would anyone want a full auto gun? In my not so
humble opinion, full auto is only good for wasting valuable ammo.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"dgk" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.

In NY State: Show pistol permit to buy pistol ammo. Ammo must match one
of
the guns listed on the permit. Rifle ammo: Nobody's ever asked me for
anything but money.

NYC may or may not be different. I have no idea.

TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you meet
the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly no pistol
permits specifying specific guns.


Actually, last time I bought ammo at [unnamed store], I didn't even get the
permit out of the clear sleeve in my wallet. The guy said "That's OK - I see
a fingerprint and green.", which is the color of the permit.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:24:19 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

What's your point?

My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question, is
this: how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the hands
of those you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you
off or otherwise do you harm)?

Interesting. I hadn't considered that. Now that I have, I still
don't care.

Well, I CARE a little bit, but the alternatives are far worse than a
handfull of do-bads stocking up on ammunition. Chances are that the
goblins who end up with a trunkfull of bullets will use them mostly
to kill other goblins. So that's good.


Buying ammo now is like buying gold, in more ways than one. You should
have bought both a few years ago when houses were thought to be the
best investment.

Yep. With sufficient ammunition, all other things are obtainable -
including gold.



In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
determined by whoever gets their gun on target first. My intuition tells me
it won't be you.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:24:19 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

What's your point?

My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question, is
this: how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the hands
of those you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you
off or otherwise do you harm)?

Interesting. I hadn't considered that. Now that I have, I still
don't care.

Well, I CARE a little bit, but the alternatives are far worse than a
handfull of do-bads stocking up on ammunition. Chances are that the
goblins who end up with a trunkfull of bullets will use them mostly
to kill other goblins. So that's good.


Buying ammo now is like buying gold, in more ways than one. You should
have bought both a few years ago when houses were thought to be the
best investment.

Yep. With sufficient ammunition, all other things are obtainable -
including gold.


In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
determined by whoever gets their gun on target first. My intuition tells me
it won't be you.

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
minimal. Food and tools to get food will have far more value than a
pretty metal that is too soft to make tools to get food.

Cheri wrote:


I thought that didn't take effect until January of 2010.

Cheri



one more reason for CA residents to stock up early.
Especially the criminal element.

I'm leaving CA in July of 2010. :-)

Cheri

Turn out the lights. You may be the last one. And yeah, that ammo business
doesn't start 'til next year.