Pete C. wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:24:19 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:
What's your point?
My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question, is
this: how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the hands
of those you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you
off or otherwise do you harm)?
Interesting. I hadn't considered that. Now that I have, I still
don't care.

Well, I CARE a little bit, but the alternatives are far worse than a
handfull of do-bads stocking up on ammunition. Chances are that the
goblins who end up with a trunkfull of bullets will use them mostly
to kill other goblins. So that's good.

Buying ammo now is like buying gold, in more ways than one. You should
have bought both a few years ago when houses were thought to be the
best investment.
Yep. With sufficient ammunition, all other things are obtainable -
including gold.

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
determined by whoever gets their gun on target first. My intuition tells me
it won't be you.

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
minimal. Food and tools to get food will have far more value than a
pretty metal that is too soft to make tools to get food.

You could use a bar of it to club someone over the head.
Perhaps add weight to the end of a baseball bat with some
of it. *snicker*

TDD

Pete C. wrote:

Hint: If you represent a corporation, the corporation can buy a gun
without a background check. This is most useful for buying
fully-automatic weapons. When asked on the ATF form for the purpose
of obtaining a fully-automatic weapon, the appropriate answer is
"investment."

Other than the amusement of blowing $100 in ammo in a few seconds on
the range, why exactly would anyone want a full auto gun? In my not so
humble opinion, full auto is only good for wasting valuable ammo.

* Investment
* Collecting (people spend MUCH more on a stamp)
* Historical acquisitions
* Mowing down the hords, i.e., "spray and pray"

Actual conversation I had with one of my customers in Masschusetts:

Carol: So what did you do this past weekend?
Me: Oh, I went to a gun show.
Carol: Gun show! What's at a gun show?
Me: I was mildly surpriseD at the number of crew-served weapons there.
Carol: What's a 'crew served weapon'?
Me: A weapon that takes a crew to operate. Like a light machine gun or a
mortar.
Carol: What is someone going to do with such a thing?
Me: Er, nothing.
Carol: They've got to be doing SOMETHING with it!
Me: Ah, no. It just the having of it. To own it.
Carol: I don't BELIEVE that! They're up to SOMETHING!
Me: Well, I guess I can tell you. Some are getting ready for the showdown.
Carol: I GODDAMN KNEW IT!!!

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?

Don't forget some skin from the back of your neck, saliva sample, and
psychiatrist's report.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:05:25 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote Re National Ammo Day:

Cheri wrote:


I thought that didn't take effect until January of 2010.

Cheri



one more reason for CA residents to stock up early.
Especially the criminal element.

I'm leaving CA in July of 2010. :-)

Cheri

Turn out the lights. You may be the last one. And yeah, that ammo business
doesn't start 'til next year.

Cheri, If you are the last American to leave, please take the U.S.
Flag with you. You can leave the Calif flag with the Mexicans.
--
I filter all messages from google groups.

"Pete C." wrote in
ter.com:


JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:24:19 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

What's your point?

My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question,
is this: how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in
the hands of those you'd rather it not (like people who might
want to rip you off or otherwise do you harm)?

Interesting. I hadn't considered that. Now that I have, I still
don't care.

Well, I CARE a little bit, but the alternatives are far worse
than a handfull of do-bads stocking up on ammunition. Chances are
that the goblins who end up with a trunkfull of bullets will use
them mostly to kill other goblins. So that's good.


Buying ammo now is like buying gold, in more ways than one. You
should have bought both a few years ago when houses were thought
to be the best investment.

Yep. With sufficient ammunition, all other things are obtainable -
including gold.


In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will
be determined by whoever gets their gun on target first. My intuition
tells me it won't be you.

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
minimal. Food and tools to get food will have far more value than a
pretty metal that is too soft to make tools to get food.

Agreed.
OTOH,in that meltdown,I can see certain groups murdering to get gold and
diamond jewelry("bling").

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Pete C. wrote:

TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you
meet the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly
no pistol permits specifying specific guns.

Slight correction:

In Texas there are no pistol permits period. There is no firearm
registration of any kind, nor do you need the state's permission to purchase
one or many firearms.

wrote:
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:45:07 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:

Yep. With sufficient ammunition, all other things are obtainable -
including gold.


In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will
be determined by whoever gets their gun on target first. My
intuition tells me it won't be you.

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will
be minimal. Food and tools to get food will have far more value than
a pretty metal that is too soft to make tools to get food.


I have heard it said in that total breakdown .22rf ammo will be the
new gold. You can feed your family with a .22 and not attract much
attention to yourself. I could tell you how to make it virtually
silent ... but that would be illegal.

Telling someone how to make a suppressor is not illegal - heck, there are
examples all over the internet. You can even BUY a legal suppressor (ATF
transfer tax of $5.00 applies). What's not kosher is to MAKE your own.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?
Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.


In NY State: Show pistol permit to buy pistol ammo. Ammo must match one of
the guns listed on the permit. Rifle ammo: Nobody's ever asked me for
anything but money.

NYC may or may not be different. I have no idea.


I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required in
the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring politicians
who think that way?

Pete C. wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Even though I'm exempt from an NICS check, I make it a practice to
NEVER buy a gun from a dealer.


So, what do you do if you want a brand new gun?
NIB or new to me? For new-to-me, I generally buy guns from individuals at
gun shows (the so-called "gun show loophole"). Of these, there are two
kinds: The guy who rented a table (~$100) to facilitate his private buying
and selling, and the guy walking around with a gun in his hand (code for
"stop me and ask how much I'll take").

I've picked up a couple of guns at estate sales, but they're generally
over-priced.

Hint: If you represent a corporation, the corporation can buy a gun without
a background check. This is most useful for buying fully-automatic weapons.
When asked on the ATF form for the purpose of obtaining a fully-automatic
weapon, the appropriate answer is "investment."

Other than the amusement of blowing $100 in ammo in a few seconds on the
range, why exactly would anyone want a full auto gun? In my not so
humble opinion, full auto is only good for wasting valuable ammo.

Totally agree. It is amusing to shoot one once. Buying one is the mine
is bigger than yours thing bragging rights thing for people who don't
have a life. Same reason why people need giant McMansions and giant
fluffed up trucks used as a one passenger vehicle.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:24:19 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:
What's your point?
My point, if one were too dense to deduce it from my question, is
this: how many of those 7.5 billion rounds would end up in the hands
of those you'd rather it not (like people who might want to rip you
off or otherwise do you harm)?
Interesting. I hadn't considered that. Now that I have, I still
don't care.

Well, I CARE a little bit, but the alternatives are far worse than a
handfull of do-bads stocking up on ammunition. Chances are that the
goblins who end up with a trunkfull of bullets will use them mostly
to kill other goblins. So that's good.

Buying ammo now is like buying gold, in more ways than one. You should
have bought both a few years ago when houses were thought to be the
best investment.
Yep. With sufficient ammunition, all other things are obtainable -
including gold.



In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
determined by whoever gets their gun on target first. My intuition tells me
it won't be you.


Mine too.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:21:56 -0500, George
wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?
Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.


In NY State: Show pistol permit to buy pistol ammo. Ammo must match one of
the guns listed on the permit. Rifle ammo: Nobody's ever asked me for
anything but money.

NYC may or may not be different. I have no idea.


I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required in
the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring politicians
who think that way?

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he got
brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops that do
a good job of keeping us safe.

HeyBub wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you
meet the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly
no pistol permits specifying specific guns.

Slight correction:

In Texas there are no pistol permits period. There is no firearm
registration of any kind, nor do you need the state's permission to purchase
one or many firearms.

Um, I'm in Texas and I have a Texas CHL in my wallet.

George wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Even though I'm exempt from an NICS check, I make it a practice to
NEVER buy a gun from a dealer.


So, what do you do if you want a brand new gun?
NIB or new to me? For new-to-me, I generally buy guns from individuals at
gun shows (the so-called "gun show loophole"). Of these, there are two
kinds: The guy who rented a table (~$100) to facilitate his private buying
and selling, and the guy walking around with a gun in his hand (code for
"stop me and ask how much I'll take").

I've picked up a couple of guns at estate sales, but they're generally
over-priced.

Hint: If you represent a corporation, the corporation can buy a gun without
a background check. This is most useful for buying fully-automatic weapons.
When asked on the ATF form for the purpose of obtaining a fully-automatic
weapon, the appropriate answer is "investment."

Other than the amusement of blowing $100 in ammo in a few seconds on the
range, why exactly would anyone want a full auto gun? In my not so
humble opinion, full auto is only good for wasting valuable ammo.

Totally agree. It is amusing to shoot one once. Buying one is the mine
is bigger than yours thing bragging rights thing for people who don't
have a life. Same reason why people need giant McMansions and giant
fluffed up trucks used as a one passenger vehicle.

Er, I have a giant truck as a one passenger vehicle... I also tow and
haul stuff with it.

Pete C. wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you
meet the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly
no pistol permits specifying specific guns.
Slight correction:

In Texas there are no pistol permits period. There is no firearm
registration of any kind, nor do you need the state's permission to purchase
one or many firearms.

Um, I'm in Texas and I have a Texas CHL in my wallet.

Thats why I am sure "heybub" is a bored housewife who just writes a lot
of dramatic but totally inaccurate nonsense to fill in the day.

This appears to be the governing laws in Texas:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../chlsindex.htm

Regulatory Licensing Service
Concealed Handgun Licensing Bureau

Concealed Handgun Statutes & Related Weapons Laws

"George" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Fingerprints, background check. Waiting period.
Registration. National ID card, approval from the local
sherrif, and a note from your mom. Nothing unreasonable,
right?
Reasonable. Is it done that way for ammo? I doubt it but don't
actually know.


In NY State: Show pistol permit to buy pistol ammo. Ammo must match one
of the guns listed on the permit. Rifle ammo: Nobody's ever asked me for
anything but money.

NYC may or may not be different. I have no idea.
I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required in the
PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring politicians who
think that way?


I see both sides of the permit issue. But let's set that aside for a moment.
I have a question for you.

Hypothetical situation: Your female creature looks out the window and
notices that a male neighbor is aiming a scoped rifle out from HIS window,
aimed at YOUR window. Cops are called. Rifle isn't loaded, and the neighbor
says "I don't own binoculars, so I was just using the scope to check out the
pretty lady across the street."

No law was broken. Cops are frustrated, but there's nothing they can do. Go
with this as the truth for the moment and tell me what an intelligent gun
safety instructor would say about the situation.

No macho bar talk. Just the facts. I know it seems odd that I'm asking you
this, but please roll with it for now.

"George" wrote in message
...
Pete C. wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Even though I'm exempt from an NICS check, I make it a practice to
NEVER buy a gun from a dealer.


So, what do you do if you want a brand new gun?
NIB or new to me? For new-to-me, I generally buy guns from individuals
at
gun shows (the so-called "gun show loophole"). Of these, there are two
kinds: The guy who rented a table (~$100) to facilitate his private
buying
and selling, and the guy walking around with a gun in his hand (code for
"stop me and ask how much I'll take").

I've picked up a couple of guns at estate sales, but they're generally
over-priced.

Hint: If you represent a corporation, the corporation can buy a gun
without
a background check. This is most useful for buying fully-automatic
weapons.
When asked on the ATF form for the purpose of obtaining a
fully-automatic
weapon, the appropriate answer is "investment."

Other than the amusement of blowing $100 in ammo in a few seconds on the
range, why exactly would anyone want a full auto gun? In my not so
humble opinion, full auto is only good for wasting valuable ammo.

Totally agree. It is amusing to shoot one once. Buying one is the mine is
bigger than yours thing bragging rights thing for people who don't have a
life. Same reason why people need giant McMansions and giant fluffed up
trucks used as a one passenger vehicle.


You mean people don't use those Cadillac pickups to haul manure? :-)

In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Hypothetical situation: Your female creature looks out the window and
notices that a male neighbor is aiming a scoped rifle out from HIS window,
aimed at YOUR window. Cops are called. Rifle isn't loaded, and the neighbor
says "I don't own binoculars, so I was just using the scope to check out the
pretty lady across the street."

I'd bust him for peeping. Depending on the state law, that might
put him on the sex offender list.


No law was broken. Cops are frustrated, but there's nothing they can do. Go
with this as the truth for the moment and tell me what an intelligent gun
safety instructor would say about the situation.
See above.

--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"

On Nov 18, 9:45*pm, "Pete C." wrote:

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
minimal. Food and tools to get food will have far more value than a
pretty metal that is too soft to make tools to get food.

Posit: there's nothing new under the sun.

From that, the question arises:

"How long has it been since the last total meltdown of society?"

From that:

"How likely is a total meltdown of society in my lifetime?"

(especially since society is a lot more civilized than it used to be)

Or, possibly:

"Would I want to survive a total meltdown of society?"

I'm just not worried about it.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...
On Nov 18, 9:45 pm, "Pete C." wrote:

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
minimal. Food and tools to get food will have far more value than a
pretty metal that is too soft to make tools to get food.

Posit: there's nothing new under the sun.

From that, the question arises:

"How long has it been since the last total meltdown of society?"

From that:

"How likely is a total meltdown of society in my lifetime?"

(especially since society is a lot more civilized than it used to be)

Or, possibly:

"Would I want to survive a total meltdown of society?"

I'm just not worried about it.

Cindy Hamilton
================


I understand, but sometimes*, that's the reason people think they need to
have thousands of rounds of ammo.

* which means "not always"

"Pete C." wrote in
ter.com:


HeyBub wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you
meet the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly
no pistol permits specifying specific guns.

Slight correction:

In Texas there are no pistol permits period. There is no firearm
registration of any kind, nor do you need the state's permission to
purchase one or many firearms.

Um, I'm in Texas and I have a Texas CHL in my wallet.


IIRC,Texas DOES "register" a specific pistol to your permit,the one you
trained with.
(possible to have more than one listed?)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

"Pete C." wrote in
ter.com:


George wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Even though I'm exempt from an NICS check, I make it a practice
to NEVER buy a gun from a dealer.


So, what do you do if you want a brand new gun?
NIB or new to me? For new-to-me, I generally buy guns from
individuals at gun shows (the so-called "gun show loophole"). Of
these, there are two kinds: The guy who rented a table (~$100) to
facilitate his private buying and selling, and the guy walking
around with a gun in his hand (code for "stop me and ask how much
I'll take").

I've picked up a couple of guns at estate sales, but they're
generally over-priced.

Hint: If you represent a corporation, the corporation can buy a
gun without a background check. This is most useful for buying
fully-automatic weapons. When asked on the ATF form for the
purpose of obtaining a fully-automatic weapon, the appropriate
answer is "investment."

Other than the amusement of blowing $100 in ammo in a few seconds
on the range, why exactly would anyone want a full auto gun? In my
not so humble opinion, full auto is only good for wasting valuable
ammo.

Totally agree. It is amusing to shoot one once. Buying one is the
mine is bigger than yours thing bragging rights thing for people who
don't have a life. Same reason why people need giant McMansions and
giant fluffed up trucks used as a one passenger vehicle.

Er, I have a giant truck as a one passenger vehicle... I also tow and
haul stuff with it.


well,that "full-auto" NFA gun could also be a SELECT-FIRE gun,and be used
semi-auto,3rd burst,or full-auto.You could still enjoy shooting it.
and one could be very handy in a meltdown riot situation.Remember the
LA Watts riots?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Kurt Ullman wrote in
:

In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Hypothetical situation: Your female creature looks out the window and
notices that a male neighbor is aiming a scoped rifle out from HIS
window, aimed at YOUR window. Cops are called. Rifle isn't loaded,
and the neighbor says "I don't own binoculars, so I was just using
the scope to check out the pretty lady across the street."

he'd deserve the police call;
any rifle scope can be DISMOUNTED from the rifle and used on it's own.
then he's not pointing a rifle at somebody.

I'd bust him for peeping. Depending on the state law, that might
put him on the sex offender list.


No law was broken. Cops are frustrated, but there's nothing they can
do. Go with this as the truth for the moment and tell me what an
intelligent gun safety instructor would say about the situation.
See above.




--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required in
the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring politicians
who think that way?

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he got
brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops that do
a good job of keeping us safe.

So you are satisfied with a cop keeping you safe?

I see both sides of the permit issue. But let's set that aside for a moment.
I have a question for you.

Hypothetical situation: Your female creature looks out the window and
notices that a male neighbor is aiming a scoped rifle out from HIS window,
aimed at YOUR window. Cops are called. Rifle isn't loaded, and the neighbor
says "I don't own binoculars, so I was just using the scope to check out the
pretty lady across the street."

No law was broken. Cops are frustrated, but there's nothing they can do. Go
with this as the truth for the moment and tell me what an intelligent gun
safety instructor would say about the situation.

No macho bar talk. Just the facts. I know it seems odd that I'm asking you
this, but please roll with it for now.

The first and most important rule for anyone who owns a gun. Never
point it at anybody. Loaded or unloaded.

If you pointed at anybody with your unloaded gun, and the person
at the end of the barrel feared for their life, or anyone witnessing
your pointed gun feared for the targets life, they would be justified
in taking you out. No warning needed. Bang your dead.

Pete C. wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you
meet the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly
no pistol permits specifying specific guns.

Slight correction:

In Texas there are no pistol permits period. There is no firearm
registration of any kind, nor do you need the state's permission to
purchase one or many firearms.

Um, I'm in Texas and I have a Texas CHL in my wallet.

In other states there exists a "permit" system. The "permit" is required to
simply own a firearm. Massachusetts and Illinois are examples. It is not a
permit to carry, it is a permit to own.

Jim Yanik wrote:
"Pete C." wrote in
ter.com:


HeyBub wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you
meet the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly
no pistol permits specifying specific guns.

Slight correction:

In Texas there are no pistol permits period. There is no firearm
registration of any kind, nor do you need the state's permission to
purchase one or many firearms.

Um, I'm in Texas and I have a Texas CHL in my wallet.


IIRC,Texas DOES "register" a specific pistol to your permit,the one
you trained with.
(possible to have more than one listed?)

No it does not.

The make, model, serial number, or identifying marks or tattoos of the
pistol you use to qualify is not recorded. Anywhere.

The only distinction is whether the pistol with which you qualified is a
revolver or an automatic. If you qualify with a revolver, you may carry only
a revolver, any revolver. If you qualify with an automatic, you may carry
any pistol, or more than one, of any mechanical operation method.

George wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
TX - 18+ to buy rifle ammo, 21+ to buy pistol ammo. As long as you
meet the age requirements we don't care what you buy. And certainly
no pistol permits specifying specific guns.
Slight correction:

In Texas there are no pistol permits period. There is no firearm
registration of any kind, nor do you need the state's permission to
purchase one or many firearms.

Um, I'm in Texas and I have a Texas CHL in my wallet.

Thats why I am sure "heybub" is a bored housewife who just writes a
lot of dramatic but totally inaccurate nonsense to fill in the day.

This appears to be the governing laws in Texas:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../chlsindex.htm


Okay, oh learned one, tell me where I relayed "nonsense." In Texas, you do
not need a PERMIT to purchase a firearm. Some states, such as Illinois,
require a citizen to first obtain a FID - Firearm Identification Card before
they can purchase a gun/pistol. Some jurisdictions, such as D.C., require
you to obtain the pistol permit immediately after buying the gun but before
you take actual legal possession. The Texas law you cite has absolutely
nothing to do with purchasing a firearm.

We do not have gun "permits" of any kind in Texas. The closest thing is a
Concealed Handgun LICENSE. The distinction between a "license" and a
"permit" is, on its face, trivial, but the difference is sometimes great.
The words are often used interchangeably, but to most there is a difference.
A "permit" generally implies some sort of discretion on the part of the
issuing agency. A "license" is merely recognition that you've passed the
requirements (and paid a fee). You get a LICENSE for your car, but an
oversized load requires a PERMIT.

In Texas (and 37 other states), for concealed handguns, if you pass the
requirements, the state MUST issue the license. In places like California
and New York, which have "permits", the issuing authority can refuse to even
talk to the applicant.

That aside, I stand by my bored-housewife statement that no permits of any
kind are required in Texas to purchase a firearm or ammunition, nor do we
have pistol permits. Of any kind.

I defy you to show me where I'm wrong. I leave open the possibility that
you're a harridan trying to pick a fight.

As an aside, had you not insulted me and instead simply said: "Hey, bub,
what about this..." I would have responded: "Oops, I didn't make myself
clear. The thought I intended to convey was..."

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I see both sides of the permit issue. But let's set that aside for a
moment. I have a question for you.

Hypothetical situation: Your female creature looks out the window and
notices that a male neighbor is aiming a scoped rifle out from HIS
window, aimed at YOUR window. Cops are called. Rifle isn't loaded,
and the neighbor says "I don't own binoculars, so I was just using
the scope to check out the pretty lady across the street."

No law was broken. Cops are frustrated, but there's nothing they can
do. Go with this as the truth for the moment and tell me what an
intelligent gun safety instructor would say about the situation.

No macho bar talk. Just the facts. I know it seems odd that I'm
asking you this, but please roll with it for now.

Oh, but there WAS a crime.

Usually, whether the gun was loaded, or even if there WAS a gun, is
irrelevant. It is the apprehension of the situation by the victim, where
applicable, that determines the offense. For example, suppose someone hands
a note to a teller that says: "Give me the money, I've got a gun." The
offense is armed robbery without regard for whether the scrot even HAD a
gun.

At a minimum, you've outlined an assault (classic definition: Serious threat
to inflict bodily harm coupled with the immediate ability to carry out that
threat). That said, how do the cops know the rifle wasn't loaded. How do the
cops know whether he was just a peeping Tom? He admitted pointing a rifle at
another person. That's enough.

In the case you mentioned, I'd have busted the dude for attempted murder and
let the D.A. sort it out. The D.A. would probably let the squint plead to
misdemeanor mopery and pay a fine.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Nov 18, 9:45 pm, "Pete C." wrote:

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will
be minimal. Food and tools to get food will have far more value than
a pretty metal that is too soft to make tools to get food.

Posit: there's nothing new under the sun.

From that, the question arises:

"How long has it been since the last total meltdown of society?"

From that:

"How likely is a total meltdown of society in my lifetime?"

(especially since society is a lot more civilized than it used to be)

Or, possibly:

"Would I want to survive a total meltdown of society?"

I'm just not worried about it.

Cindy Hamilton

Well, let's see. There was the riot in Watts in 1992. There was total
anarchy in New Orleans in 2005.

So far this year:
2009 - Protests against BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant, January 7, 120
arrested, Oakland, California
2009 - College Fest riot, Kent State University, April 25, more than 50
arrested Kent, Ohio
2009 - Spring Jam/Dinkytown riot, University of Minnesota, April 25,
Minneapolis, Minnesota
2009 - Palmer Fest melee, Ohio University, May 10, Athens, Ohio
2009 - 2009 G-20 Pittsburgh summit protests, Sept. 24-25, 193 arrested, $50K
in damage. Less lethal weapons used, including first use of sound cannon
against demonstrators in U.S.

And the year ain't over.

Stuff happens.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:


In the case you mentioned, I'd have busted the dude for attempted murder and
let the D.A. sort it out. The D.A. would probably let the squint plead to
misdemeanor mopery and pay a fine.

Those DAs in Texas always overcharge. It would probably be felonious
assholery.

--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"

wrote in message
...

I see both sides of the permit issue. But let's set that aside for a
moment.
I have a question for you.

Hypothetical situation: Your female creature looks out the window and
notices that a male neighbor is aiming a scoped rifle out from HIS window,
aimed at YOUR window. Cops are called. Rifle isn't loaded, and the
neighbor
says "I don't own binoculars, so I was just using the scope to check out
the
pretty lady across the street."

No law was broken. Cops are frustrated, but there's nothing they can do.
Go
with this as the truth for the moment and tell me what an intelligent gun
safety instructor would say about the situation.

No macho bar talk. Just the facts. I know it seems odd that I'm asking you
this, but please roll with it for now.

The first and most important rule for anyone who owns a gun. Never
point it at anybody. Loaded or unloaded.

If you pointed at anybody with your unloaded gun, and the person
at the end of the barrel feared for their life, or anyone witnessing
your pointed gun feared for the targets life, they would be justified
in taking you out. No warning needed. Bang your dead.


Correct - that's the answer:
http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp

The idiot with the rifle later made it known that he was applying for a
pistol permit. His neighbors (including a friend of mine and his wife, both
shooters) contacted the appropriate parties to lodge a complaint. The
idiot's permit was denied.

In my opinion, this was an example of the system working for the community.
I already know the possible pitfalls. But I guess we're going to debate them
now.

wrote in message
...

I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required in
the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring politicians
who think that way?

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he got
brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops that do
a good job of keeping us safe.

So you are satisfied with a cop keeping you safe?


What cops? I haven't seen any cops hanging out in my house all night while I
sleep. :-) We can barely get them to drive through my neighborhood once
each night. They say they're afraid of the owls.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:01:49 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

dgk wrote:

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he got
brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops that do
a good job of keeping us safe.

Good for you. I carry a pistol because I can't carry a cop.

Remember: "When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away!"


Told my neighbor, if I hear shots I will bring a pistol. We can sort
them out later.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:31:44 -0500, wrote:


I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required in
the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring politicians
who think that way?

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he got
brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops that do
a good job of keeping us safe.

So you are satisfied with a cop keeping you safe?

They seem to do a fine job. Safety for me means being able to get to
good medical care and I doubt the insurance and pharma industries will
let that happen. I am much more likely to die from a medical cause or
an auto accident than I am from some guy shooting me.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:57:08 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .

I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required in
the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring politicians
who think that way?

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he got
brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops that do
a good job of keeping us safe.

So you are satisfied with a cop keeping you safe?


What cops? I haven't seen any cops hanging out in my house all night while I
sleep. :-) We can barely get them to drive through my neighborhood once
each night. They say they're afraid of the owls.



Joe, I suspect you will die of some other cause and never have to
shoot some mugger.

"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:57:08 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..

I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required in
the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring politicians
who think that way?

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he got
brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops that do
a good job of keeping us safe.

So you are satisfied with a cop keeping you safe?


What cops? I haven't seen any cops hanging out in my house all night while
I
sleep. :-) We can barely get them to drive through my neighborhood once
each night. They say they're afraid of the owls.



Joe, I suspect you will die of some other cause and never have to
shoot some mugger.


Probably, but I was happy I had it one day when two dogs came within a
forbidden distance from my son and began acting in ways I do not allow. That
ended well, although unfortunately, the dogs did not end up being shot.

By the way, "mugger" is not the correct term for someone breaking into a
house while the occupants are home. The correct word is "thing". When
someone does that, they are automatically relinquishing their status as
humans.

dgk wrote:


Joe, I suspect you will die of some other cause and never have to
shoot some mugger.

That could very well be, simply because he IS armed.

I've displayed my pistol three times in 13 years (twice in a Home Depot
parking lot!). In all three cases, I was being approached by a dissolute
wreck who refused my command to stop and come no closer. One had a tire iron
in his hand.

Maybe these good folks only wanted to bum a smoke are ask for spare change.
I don't know. But I wasn't willing to find out.

At least one of these encounters easily ranks as a "Defensive Use of
Firearm," of which, according to best estimates, there are some eight
million each year in the U.S.

dgk wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:31:44 -0500, wrote:


I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is
required in the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on
hiring politicians who think that way?

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he
got brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops
that do a good job of keeping us safe.

So you are satisfied with a cop keeping you safe?

They seem to do a fine job. Safety for me means being able to get to
good medical care and I doubt the insurance and pharma industries will
let that happen. I am much more likely to die from a medical cause or
an auto accident than I am from some guy shooting me.

Agreed. But a small cost to avoid a catastrophic result is generally a good
deal.

You're not likely to a) Get the pig flu or, even if you DID get it, b) die
from it. But the POSSIBILITY of contracting and succumbing suggests that a
vaccination is prudent.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:54:23 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"dgk" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:57:08 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...

I am in PA so we don't yet need a permit to buy ammo as is required
in
the PR of NY and PR of NJ. Why do you folks keep on hiring
politicians
who think that way?

Because the thought of someone opening fire in a subway because he got
brushed the wrong way is far too scary. We actually have cops that do
a good job of keeping us safe.

So you are satisfied with a cop keeping you safe?


What cops? I haven't seen any cops hanging out in my house all night
while
I
sleep. :-) We can barely get them to drive through my neighborhood once
each night. They say they're afraid of the owls.



Joe, I suspect you will die of some other cause and never have to
shoot some mugger.


Probably, but I was happy I had it one day when two dogs came within a
forbidden distance from my son and began acting in ways I do not allow.
That
ended well, although unfortunately, the dogs did not end up being shot.

By the way, "mugger" is not the correct term for someone breaking into a
house while the occupants are home. The correct word is "thing". When
someone does that, they are automatically relinquishing their status as
humans.


The correct term for a person who broke into your house is "A person
presenting an imminent threat of bodily harm while committing a
forcible felony". Getting that description straight will make your
conversation with the police go easier. You probably won't even have
to go downtown to fill out the report. (if you live in a castle state)


We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. When I'm threatened at that
level, the human will instantly be viewed as a thing, no different from a
paper target at the gun range. Hey - call me cold, but that's what has to
happen sometimes.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...
On Nov 18, 9:45 pm, "Pete C." wrote:

In the event of a total meltdown of society, that gold's value will be
minimal. Food and tools to get food will have far more value than a
pretty metal that is too soft to make tools to get food.

Posit: there's nothing new under the sun.

From that, the question arises:

"How long has it been since the last total meltdown of society?"

From that:

"How likely is a total meltdown of society in my lifetime?"

(especially since society is a lot more civilized than it used to be)

Or, possibly:

"Would I want to survive a total meltdown of society?"

I'm just not worried about it.


Have you paid attention to what has happened in Zimbabwe in just the
last few years? It's very educational to see just how quickly it can
happen.