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"clams casino" wrote in message
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wrote:


Also, once the unit works properly, how much more does it cost to keep
the apartment at 76 as opposed to 80 (above conditions)?

Thanks



Generally speaking, you can save / spend about 2% for each degree,
although that can vary significantly depending on the indoor / outdoor
difference and the efficiency of your unit..

Save a bundle, shut it clear off...


LOL

On Jul 7, 12:47 am, kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
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oups.com...



On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't pay
for.

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.

Comments?

Yeah, you're not footing the bill.

If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
electric bills if they won't fix it.

wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 7, 12:47 am, kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
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oups.com...



On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally
trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't
pay
for.

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.

Comments?

Yeah, you're not footing the bill.

If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
electric bills if they won't fix it.


Then by all means, get the ball a rollin.

But that doesn't require you to figure out who to call to repair the system!

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 6, 10:32 pm, "Jeffrey Lebowski" wrote:
wrote in message
...

Despite what you might like to think, your post is not appropriate to
the
group alt.hvac...


The description of the group on Google is "Heating, venting and air
conditioning."
That's what this post is about.

I went and browsed the group and read some relevant threads. There is
no FAQ or charter that was voted on. There are a few people there
that are unhappy that sci.engr.heat-vent-ac didn't get popular...
which may be what this is about. The overwhelming response in the
threads is that alt.hvac is public, and for general discussion.

To anybody else replying to this guys post, note he added a "follow-up
to:" header to alt.****tard, and your newsreader may send it there and
not to the relevant groups. Posting via Google will do that, so just
replace alt.****tard with "alt.home.repair,misc.consumers.frugal-
living,alt.hvac"
This guy is talking about netiquette, and this says a lot about his
post.


Suck my dick.

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It's 90 deg. outside, humidity is 37%. The A/C is set to 80 deg. The
temp in the apartment is at 83 deg, and hasn't gone below that. The
A/
C has been running non-stop for hours. The temp out of the vents is
colder than the air in the apartment, but not a lot colder. (I don't
have a thermometer.)

Maintenance fixed the A/C only a month ago when it completely quit
working. Our electric bill that month was $320 for a 800 sq ft
apartment.

for 2400sqft with the t-stat set at 76F and outside temps running mid
90s
with humidity at 60 - 90%, my electric bill was only $136

Maintenance is coming tomorrow. How do I make sure they fix the unit
right, or make the landlord replace it if it won't work properly?
The
electric bill is outragous.

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that couldn't
make
it doing anything else.

The unit doesn't show a manufacturing date, and I can't find the
model
no. on the manufacturer's website. Here's what the stickers say:
Goodman Manufacturing Co, 1501 Seamist Dr,
Houston, TX 77008
Model No. AW30-05C
Part No. 20203-23
Regrig 22
Design PSIG 150
Heater Amps 208/240V
Motor 1PH 60HZ 3.5 Amps 1/3 HP
Single Circuit 17.3/20.0
Min Circuit Ampicity 26/29
Max Overcurrent Protection 30/30
UL Listed - G0587770080

Cheapest POS there is

Also, once the unit works properly, how much more does it cost to
keep
the apartment at 76 as opposed to 80 (above conditions)?

$75 - $150


All depends on how many kw of heat strips are firing up along with the
A/C...

Its only a 2 ton and probably has a 5KW strip in it..... a losing
proposition if they are on at the same time


We'd put proly a min 15 on those here.

Actually maybe good fodder for a survey....

Lessee...

Here, we got's us yup a 5 ton trane heat pump lennox ahu having uhmm 90.1
amps @ 208

--

Here are few things that need to be checked.

1)Outside coil should be hosed off at least once a year.
If you have access to a hose bib and a hoes you can
do this yourself.

2) Air filter should be replaced monthly.

3) There may be a freon leak. Maintenance can top it off.


wrote in news:1183764250.640399.227540
@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

It's 90 deg. outside, humidity is 37%. The A/C is set to 80 deg. The
temp in the apartment is at 83 deg, and hasn't gone below that. The A/
C has been running non-stop for hours. The temp out of the vents is
colder than the air in the apartment, but not a lot colder. (I don't
have a thermometer.)

Maintenance fixed the A/C only a month ago when it completely quit
working. Our electric bill that month was $320 for a 800 sq ft
apartment.

Maintenance is coming tomorrow. How do I make sure they fix the unit
right,

Ask them what the problem was and what they did to fix it.

Thanks

wrote:
It's 90 deg. outside, humidity is 37%. The A/C is set to 80 deg. The
temp in the apartment is at 83 deg, and hasn't gone below that. The A/
C has been running non-stop for hours. The temp out of the vents is
colder than the air in the apartment, but not a lot colder. (I don't
have a thermometer.)

Maintenance fixed the A/C only a month ago when it completely quit
working. Our electric bill that month was $320 for a 800 sq ft
apartment.

Maintenance is coming tomorrow. How do I make sure they fix the unit
right, or make the landlord replace it if it won't work properly? The
electric bill is outragous.

I've been through this. The thermostat was set at 75F, and the A/C
would literally run all day and all night, and even just before dawn,
the A/C would not have brought the temperature down low enough to
shut off.

Apartment management came out and "fixed" it, the thing worked much
better for a few weeks, then it was back how it was before.

It was an 834 sq. ft. apartment, and the electric bill was $260.
My upstairs neighbor, who had an identical floor plan, never had a
bill anywhere near that high.

This is as much a problem of dealing with the apartment management
as it is a technical problem. As others have said, get a thermometer
and measure the temperature difference between the air going in and
coming out. If it can't manage 20F, it's broken. Make sure they
know that. And on an issue like this, never make a maintenance request
or follow-up without putting it in writing. This can be a form of
their that you fill out, or it can be a quick letter that you type up.
When they have a paper trail, it's much harder to "forget" about
things that require work. (Apartment management companies eat, sleep,
and breathe paperwork. They are constantly doing huge reports on
everything and printing it all out to send to the regional office.)
If they get uncooperative, send the requests by certified mail.
Of course, be civil.

One final comment: it sounds like your electric bills are about
double what they should be. If the apartment management denies the
existence of a problem, it might be worthwhile to get your own guy
to come out and look at it and tell you what kind of shape it's in.
Even if this costs you $100, it'll be worth it if it results in
action because you are throwing away more than that much in
needless electric usage every month.

- Logan

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On Jul 7, 12:47 am, kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
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On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally
trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't
pay
for.

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.

Comments?

Yeah, you're not footing the bill.

If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
electric bills if they won't fix it.


Yeah that's something usually written right into your contract.

Now, define outragous.

You ****ing slut.

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On Jul 6, 9:29 pm, clams casino wrote:
wrote:

Also, once the unit works properly, how much more does it cost to
keep
the apartment at 76 as opposed to 80 (above conditions)?

Thanks

Generally speaking, you can save / spend about 2% for each degree,
although that can vary significantly depending on the indoor / outdoor
difference and the efficiency of your unit..

The power companies website (Progress Energy, NC) says there's a 10%
increase in cooling costs per degree above a 78 deg setting.


So set it at 88 (100% savings) on a hot 105 degree day and it should cost
you nothing!!!! LMAO



Bingo...

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On Jul 7, 2:05 am, "Jeffrey Lebowski" wrote:
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ps.com...



On Jul 7, 12:47 am, kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...

On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally
trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't
pay
for.

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.

Comments?

Yeah, you're not footing the bill.

If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
electric bills if they won't fix it.

Yeah that's something usually written right into your contract.

Now, define outragous.

You ****ing slut.

--

Hi, Carie is my ex-girlfriend, and still a friend. She's not a slut.
She's not shy either. I asked her if it was okay to post this
picture. Here's what your are missing. (Warning - nudity)

[img=http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8800/
sunbeachkv8.jpg]
Shot at 2007-07-06

On Jul 7, 2:08 am, wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:05 am, "Jeffrey Lebowski" wrote:



wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 7, 12:47 am, kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...

On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally
trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't
pay
for.

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.

Comments?

Yeah, you're not footing the bill.

If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
electric bills if they won't fix it.

Yeah that's something usually written right into your contract.

Now, define outragous.

You ****ing slut.

--

Hi, Carie is my ex-girlfriend, and still a friend. She's not a slut.
She's not shy either. I asked her if it was okay to post this
picture. Here's what your are missing. (Warning - nudity)

[img=http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8800/
sunbeachkv8.jpg]
Shot at 2007-07-06


http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?i...unbeachkv8.jpg

On Jul 7, 2:16 am, wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:08 am, wrote:



On Jul 7, 2:05 am, "Jeffrey Lebowski" wrote:

wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 7, 12:47 am, kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...

On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally
trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't
pay
for.

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.

Comments?

Yeah, you're not footing the bill.

If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
electric bills if they won't fix it.

Yeah that's something usually written right into your contract.

Now, define outragous.

You ****ing slut.

--

Hi, Carie is my ex-girlfriend, and still a friend. She's not a slut.
She's not shy either. I asked her if it was okay to post this
picture. Here's what your are missing. (Warning - nudity)

[img=http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8800/
sunbeachkv8.jpg]
Shot at 2007-07-06

http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?i...unbeachkv8.jpg

On second thought, why am I rewarding you?
Well, I guess even the worst of them deserve some pleasure. I really
doubt you are getting anything like her.

On Jul 7, 2:08 am, wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:05 am, "Jeffrey Lebowski" wrote:



wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 7, 12:47 am, kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...

On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally
trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't
pay
for.

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.

Comments?

Yeah, you're not footing the bill.

If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
electric bills if they won't fix it.

Yeah that's something usually written right into your contract.

Now, define outragous.

You ****ing slut.

--

Hi, Carie is my ex-girlfriend, and still a friend. She's not a slut.
She's not shy either. I asked her if it was okay to post this
picture. Here's what your are missing. (Warning - nudity)

[img=http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8800/
sunbeachkv8.jpg]
Shot at 2007-07-06

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8800/sunbeachkv8.jpg

On Jul 7, 2:08 am, wrote:
On Jul 7, 2:05 am, "Jeffrey Lebowski" wrote:



wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 7, 12:47 am, kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...

On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally
trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't
pay
for.

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.

Comments?

Yeah, you're not footing the bill.

If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
electric bills if they won't fix it.

Yeah that's something usually written right into your contract.

Now, define outragous.

You ****ing slut.

--

Hi, Carie is my ex-girlfriend, and still a friend. She's not a slut.
She's not shy either. I asked her if it was okay to post this
picture. Here's what your are missing. (Warning - nudity)

[img=http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8800/
sunbeachkv8.jpg]
Shot at 2007-07-06

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8800/sunbeachkv8.jpg

"Gordon" wrote in message
.. .

3) There may be a freon leak. Maintenance can top it off.


Why not find and repair the leak?

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ups.com...
On Jul 6, 10:32 pm, "Jeffrey Lebowski" wrote:
wrote in message
...

Despite what you might like to think, your post is not appropriate to
the
group alt.hvac...


The description of the group on Google is "Heating, venting and air
conditioning."
That's what this post is about.

And exactly when did the group vote to give google the authority to define
some rigid description ?


I went and browsed the group and read some relevant threads. There is
no FAQ or charter that was voted on. There are a few people there
that are unhappy that sci.engr.heat-vent-ac didn't get popular...

So post your drivel in sci.engr.heat-vent-ac...

( You ****ing bitch)


which may be what this is about. The overwhelming response in the
threads is that alt.hvac is public, and for general discussion.

Nope.

Pretty much every regular from that particular group has told you to go and
shove it sideways up your your ****ing ass.


To anybody else replying to this guys post, note he added a "follow-up
to:" header to alt.****tard, and your newsreader may send it there and
not to the relevant groups.

Oh please...go on and tell me all about relevant groups.

( stupid **** )



Posting via Google will do that, so just
replace alt.****tard with "alt.home.repair,misc.consumers.frugal-
living,alt.hvac"


Missed clue #1 then I see.....

This guy is talking about netiquette, and this says a lot about his
post.

NOBODY that seriously wants to discuss etiquette with any longterm usenet
regulars would even consider posting their ****ing drivel from google's
newsfeed.

Hopefully, someone responsible will take away your ****ing internet access
very shortly.

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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700, wrote:

On Jul 6, 7:45 pm, "Don K" wrote:

Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's not
much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring the apartment
down to temperature overnight, then there's something definitely wrong
with it.

Don

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

You missed his point, that hours can mean 2 or 200. So we don't know
your personality and what you would have said it if, in your opinion,
it wasn't, and even if you would not have said "hours" if it wasn't,
we still didn't know how many hours. You could have said 7 hours and
that would have been clear.

Don't be snotty, especially when you're asking for free advice.

Is there any chance the fan is on ON, and the thermostat is not
accurate? Turn the thermostat down to 70 and see if goes lower than
it is now.

Also check the outside unit and see if it is making noise, and see if
you can tell if the noise is the fan and the compressor, or just the
fan.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:55:23 -0700, wrote:

On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:
wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC

Ask him what the problem is, and how long it will take to fix it.

Since he doesn't work for you, he may not tell you, but if you are
nice, and not the least bit snotty, he may well tell you.

Maybe ask him if it's worth repairing or not, although that is not his
decision and he may be much less willing to speculate. OTOH, if he
knows it's a 50 dollar problem, he may be wiling to speculate. But
you have to be even nicer to get answers to hard questions.
(sometimes even when you yourself are paying).

certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't pay
for.

On Jul 7, 3:12 am, mm wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:45 pm, "Don K" wrote:

Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's not
much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring the apartment
down to temperature overnight, then there's something definitely wrong
with it.

Don

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

You missed his point, that hours can mean 2 or 200. So we don't know
your personality and what you would have said it if, in your opinion,
it wasn't, and even if you would not have said "hours" if it wasn't,
we still didn't know how many hours. You could have said 7 hours and
that would have been clear.

Don't be snotty, especially when you're asking for free advice.

Is there any chance the fan is on ON, and the thermostat is not
accurate? Turn the thermostat down to 70 and see if goes lower than
it is now.

Also check the outside unit and see if it is making noise, and see if
you can tell if the noise is the fan and the compressor, or just the
fan.

You've got to be kidding. Enough "hours" that any human who has ever
used A/C would recognize that there's a problem. Here's what he
said:
"Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's
not much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring
the apartment down to temperature overnight, then there's something
definitely wrong with it."

Gee, do you really think there's something wrong if it can't get down
to 80 deg overnight??? (It would do that with open windows and no A/
C.) I think I was more than polite.

The fan is on "Auto," so as to not recirculate air through vents in a
hot attic when the compressor isn't on.

On Jul 7, 3:13 am, mm wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:55:23 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:
wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC

Ask him what the problem is, and how long it will take to fix it.

Since he doesn't work for you, he may not tell you, but if you are
nice, and not the least bit snotty, he may well tell you.

Maybe ask him if it's worth repairing or not, although that is not his
decision and he may be much less willing to speculate. OTOH, if he
knows it's a 50 dollar problem, he may be wiling to speculate. But
you have to be even nicer to get answers to hard questions.
(sometimes even when you yourself are paying).

certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't pay
for.

The landlord is required to keep the A/C working properly. Are you
suggesting that underhanded behavior is so common as to be practically
expected?

On Jul 7, 1:13 am, wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:12 am, mm wrote:



On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:45 pm, "Don K" wrote:

Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's not
much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring the apartment
down to temperature overnight, then there's something definitely wrong
with it.

Don

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

You missed his point, that hours can mean 2 or 200. So we don't know
your personality and what you would have said it if, in your opinion,
it wasn't, and even if you would not have said "hours" if it wasn't,
we still didn't know how many hours. You could have said 7 hours and
that would have been clear.

Don't be snotty, especially when you're asking for free advice.

Is there any chance the fan is on ON, and the thermostat is not
accurate? Turn the thermostat down to 70 and see if goes lower than
it is now.

Also check the outside unit and see if it is making noise, and see if
you can tell if the noise is the fan and the compressor, or just the
fan.

You've got to be kidding. Enough "hours" that any human who has ever
used A/C would recognize that there's a problem. Here's what he
said:
"Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's
not much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring
the apartment down to temperature overnight, then there's something
definitely wrong with it."

Gee, do you really think there's something wrong if it can't get down
to 80 deg overnight??? (It would do that with open windows and no A/
C.) I think I was more than polite.

The fan is on "Auto," so as to not recirculate air through vents in a
hot attic when the compressor isn't on.

OP-

Your original post was unclear as to exactly how many "hours" it had
been running 2? 3? 6?

Trying to determine AC performance without thermometer is futile

Oh & for clarity don't use 12:00PM ....use noon or midnight to avoid
confusion

Clearly your AC unit is not working....for a 800 sq ft apt get a
window unit. It's in your interest to reduce the operating costs you
can easily save the cost of the unit in a few months.

cheers
Bob

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:13:10 -0700, wrote:

On Jul 7, 3:12 am, mm wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:45 pm, "Don K" wrote:

Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's not
much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring the apartment
down to temperature overnight, then there's something definitely wrong
with it.

Don

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

You missed his point, that hours can mean 2 or 200. So we don't know
your personality and what you would have said it if, in your opinion,
it wasn't, and even if you would not have said "hours" if it wasn't,
we still didn't know how many hours. You could have said 7 hours and
that would have been clear.

Don't be snotty, especially when you're asking for free advice.

Is there any chance the fan is on ON, and the thermostat is not
accurate? Turn the thermostat down to 70 and see if goes lower than
it is now.

Also check the outside unit and see if it is making noise, and see if
you can tell if the noise is the fan and the compressor, or just the
fan.

You've got to be kidding.

No I"m not. Plenty of idiots post here. How do we tell who is an
idiot and who isn't? Even half or more of the seemingly smart people
fail to give enough information in their first post. EVen things they
already know.

We had one a couple days ago who dribbled out the important
information a little at a time until most people had I'm sure stopped
reading the thread before all the important facts were in.

Enough "hours" that any human who has ever
used A/C would recognize that there's a problem.

And did you say that you had ever used AC before?

And again, you hadn't said how many hours. We can't read your mind.

What you think that any buman (who has ever used AC) would recognize
might well not be what someone else thinks.

Here's what he
said:
"Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's
not much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring
the apartment down to temperature overnight, then there's something
definitely wrong with it."

Gee, do you really think there's something wrong if it can't get down
to 80 deg overnight??? (It would do that with open windows and no A/
C.) I think I was more than polite.

You were no way "more than polite". I think you were less than polite.
You told him how many hours and then said "I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't..." as though he is supposed to know you
personally and know you how reliably you report the facts. As if he
had insulted you and you had to make it clear that you didn't deserve
the insult. I woudn't have given the reply he did , but he didn't
insult you. He explained why "hours" wasn't enough, and then he made
a suggestion, to run it overnight, I presume because you first posted
at 7:24PM Eastern Time.

And even if you are 100% reliable, you still don't get it that
different people have different ideas of what is enough time for
things to cool down. It's inevitable that at least a few of them will
think that too little time is enough. How do we know you're not in
that category?

Most people, when they said hours and the other person said, in
whatever words, How many hours?, would just have replied, "Sorry.
Seven."

The fan is on "Auto,"

Good to know.

so as to not recirculate air through vents in a
hot attic when the compressor isn't on.

The reason is fine, but even someone who intends to keep his fan on
Auto, for whatever reason, might accidentally knock it to ON. Or he
might put it to ON for testing and forget that he did so. Just
yesterday someone posted about flipping a switch and not remembering a
that he did. That's why it's important to check.

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:18:00 -0700, wrote:

On Jul 7, 3:13 am, mm wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:55:23 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:
wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC

Ask him what the problem is, and how long it will take to fix it.

Since he doesn't work for you, he may not tell you, but if you are
nice, and not the least bit snotty, he may well tell you.

Maybe ask him if it's worth repairing or not, although that is not his
decision and he may be much less willing to speculate. OTOH, if he
knows it's a 50 dollar problem, he may be wiling to speculate. But
you have to be even nicer to get answers to hard questions.
(sometimes even when you yourself are paying).

certifications?)

BTW, in practice, I don't think the guy's certifications matter. I
guess that's why I skipped this part before. He's the guy the
landlord or the AC contractor chose to send. If I were the AC
contractor, I'd want to hire someone with certification**, and if he
is going to recharge the system, I gather he must have certification,
but one can know just as much without certification as with, and the
important thing is that he diagnose the problem correctly. I don't
have much AC experience but I"ve been misdiagosed over the years by 4
medical doctors with certification, 2 of them specialists, so
certification doesn't impress me anymore.

**although if I had someone I knew knew AC, and he didn't have cert,
but was cheaper to hire, and he wasn't going to be the only tech, I'd
hire him too. He can diagnose and do other repairs, and if it needs
recharging, I'll send the certified guy.

He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't pay
for.

The landlord is required to keep the A/C working properly.

Within a reasonable time, of learning it's not working properly. I
think that is the law in all US states, unless the lease says
something different, which it most likely doesn't. NYC and many
places have more specific laws about providing heat, but I think not
about providing AC.

Are you
suggesting that underhanded behavior is so common as to be practically
expected?

I didn't suggest anything underhanded at all, on the part of the
repairman or the landlord. What words are you referring to where you
think I did?

It's often hard to get a good answer out of a repairman, whether you
are paying the bill or someone else is, and I'm not quite sure why**,
but I don't think there is anything underhanded about it, except in a
few cases that I don't think apply to you. They don't apply to you
because he's not working for you, he works for the landlord. They
probably don't apply to the landlord either, because all but the
smallest landlords are a source of repeat business for contractors.

**Probably IMO the biggest reason is, if he's not the boss of the
repair company, he doesn't want to make decisions that his employer
has the power and right to make. He doesn't want to get caught in the
middle between the customer and his boss, so he tells his boss what
the situation is, and the boss deals with the customer. In this case,
with a landlord/tenant, even if the repairman is the boss of his own
company, he won't want to get caught between his "employer", the
landlord who hires him, and the tenant. But this is not underhanded.
It's totally reasonable. And the consequences when someone does get
caught in the middle are often more than enough to keep him from ever
letting it happen again.

Pretty much the only way out of this, afaict, for the customer is to
seem like a regular guy who won't make a stink if the boss later
contradicts the employee, or the landlord contradicts the contractor,
because a regular guy understands that the boss is the boss, and the
employee can't actually make committments. Once one gives that
impression, he has to actually live up to it, or he, or she, is a
scoundrel and dishonorable.

I"m not talking about accepting shoddy work. I'm talking about asking
the guy who comes to your house what the problem is, and how long it
will take to fix it, and whether it is worth repairing it or not, and
then if and when the boss or the landlord gives one different answers,
saying, "Well the guy who was here says yada yada which contradicts
you." One shouldn't say that.

Unless it is a literal life and death matter, and I can't imagine how
that could be, one shouldn't do that. It doesn't matter what the guy
tells you when he's there. It only matters that the AC gets fixed,
and nothing the repair man SAYS to you has any effect on that.

If the guy tells you something and the boss or landlord tells you
something else, one should just suck it up and not get the guy in
trouble. If you get him in trouble -- even if he doesn't get in
trouble, but he knows a customer quoted him when the boss said
something else -- he'll never tell another customer a thing.

You may never know for sure who is right. Them's the breaks. Maybe
the techician made a mistake, and somehow the boss knows it without
even seeing the jobsite. Maybe the boss or landlord knows something
the repair guy doesn't know. Maybe the landlord plans to replace the
whole system in a year or two**, but doesn't want to say that or the
tenants will hold him to it, even if he doesn't have as much money as
he thinks he will (like if one or two apartments are unexpectedly
vacant for a while) It's not at all necessary for either to be lying
or underhanded for them to say different things.

**Maybe the landlord plans to sell the building in a year or two and
isn't willing to do all the repairs he should. I'm not saying every
landlord does everything he should or that every repairman always does
everything right. But I have no reason to think and didn't suggest
that there was anything underhanded in this case.

wrote:

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

Hmm. 12:00PM implies twelve hours past midday (p.m. = "post meridian" = past
midday). That would be midnight. From there to 7:46PM means the ac has been
on for almost twenty hours.

Of course one could also say 12:00AM (a.m. = "ante meridian" = before
midday) which would also be midnight.

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Jeffrey Lebowski wrote:



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wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 7, 3:13 am, mm wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:55:23 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:
wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained
HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC

Ask him what the problem is, and how long it will take to fix it.

Since he doesn't work for you, he may not tell you, but if you are
nice, and not the least bit snotty, he may well tell you.

Maybe ask him if it's worth repairing or not, although that is not his
decision and he may be much less willing to speculate. OTOH, if he
knows it's a 50 dollar problem, he may be wiling to speculate. But
you have to be even nicer to get answers to hard questions.
(sometimes even when you yourself are paying).

certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't pay
for.

The landlord is required to keep the A/C working properly. Are you
suggesting that underhanded behavior is so common as to be practically
expected?

Only from landlords whos only concern is their profits on the bottom line.
They are not gonna spend a penny they are not forced to.

On Jul 7, 5:28 am, BobK207 wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:13 am, wrote:
....

Oh & for clarity don't use 12:00PM ....use noon or midnight to avoid
confusion
....
cheers
Bob

I wouldn't want advice from someone who didn't know, clearly, without
having to think about it for an instanct, that 12:00PM is noon, and
12:00AM is midnight.

On Jul 7, 5:36 am, mm wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:13:10 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:12 am, mm wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:45 pm, "Don K" wrote:
....

What you think that any buman (who has ever used AC) would recognize
might well not be what someone else thinks.

BobK207 thinks enough of peoples intelligence to say "Oh & for clarity
don't use 12:00PM ....use noon or midnight to avoid confusion." (The
next most recent post in this thread, sorted by time.)

On Jul 7, 7:29 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

Hmm. 12:00PM implies twelve hours past midday (p.m. = "post meridian" = past
midday). That would be midnight. From there to 7:46PM means the ac has been
on for almost twenty hours.

Of course one could also say 12:00AM (a.m. = "ante meridian" = before
midday) which would also be midnight.


Sorry, 12:00PM is noon. Have a High School diploma?? Is English your
native language??

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700, wrote:

On Jul 6, 7:45 pm, "Don K" wrote:

Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's not
much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring the
apartment
down to temperature overnight, then there's something definitely wrong
with it.

Don

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

You missed his point, that hours can mean 2 or 200. So we don't know
your personality and what you would have said it if, in your opinion,
it wasn't, and even if you would not have said "hours" if it wasn't,
we still didn't know how many hours. You could have said 7 hours and
that would have been clear.

Don't be snotty, especially when you're asking for free advice.

Is there any chance the fan is on ON, and the thermostat is not
accurate? Turn the thermostat down to 70 and see if goes lower than
it is now.

Also check the outside unit and see if it is making noise, and see if
you can tell if the noise is the fan and the compressor, or just the
fan.


Your post means nothing, did you miss her $320 electric bill.

What that means, is that the unit is running excessively!!!!!

"BobK207" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 7, 1:13 am, wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:12 am, mm wrote:



On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:45 pm, "Don K" wrote:

Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's
not
much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring the
apartment
down to temperature overnight, then there's something definitely
wrong
with it.

Don

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

You missed his point, that hours can mean 2 or 200. So we don't know
your personality and what you would have said it if, in your opinion,
it wasn't, and even if you would not have said "hours" if it wasn't,
we still didn't know how many hours. You could have said 7 hours and
that would have been clear.

Don't be snotty, especially when you're asking for free advice.

Is there any chance the fan is on ON, and the thermostat is not
accurate? Turn the thermostat down to 70 and see if goes lower than
it is now.

Also check the outside unit and see if it is making noise, and see if
you can tell if the noise is the fan and the compressor, or just the
fan.

You've got to be kidding. Enough "hours" that any human who has ever
used A/C would recognize that there's a problem. Here's what he
said:
"Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's
not much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring
the apartment down to temperature overnight, then there's something
definitely wrong with it."

Gee, do you really think there's something wrong if it can't get down
to 80 deg overnight??? (It would do that with open windows and no A/
C.) I think I was more than polite.

The fan is on "Auto," so as to not recirculate air through vents in a
hot attic when the compressor isn't on.

OP-

Your original post was unclear as to exactly how many "hours" it had
been running 2? 3? 6?


Geez.... $320 electric bill people.

Come-on... are you all clueless???????

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:13:10 -0700, wrote:

On Jul 7, 3:12 am, mm wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:45 pm, "Don K" wrote:

Running for hours could mean anything more than one hour. There's
not
much information there. Let it run overnight. If it can't bring the
apartment
down to temperature overnight, then there's something definitely
wrong
with it.

Don

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

You missed his point, that hours can mean 2 or 200. So we don't know
your personality and what you would have said it if, in your opinion,
it wasn't, and even if you would not have said "hours" if it wasn't,
we still didn't know how many hours. You could have said 7 hours and
that would have been clear.

Don't be snotty, especially when you're asking for free advice.

Is there any chance the fan is on ON, and the thermostat is not
accurate? Turn the thermostat down to 70 and see if goes lower than
it is now.

Also check the outside unit and see if it is making noise, and see if
you can tell if the noise is the fan and the compressor, or just the
fan.

You've got to be kidding.

No I"m not. Plenty of idiots post here. How do we tell who is an
idiot and who isn't? Even half or more of the seemingly smart people
fail to give enough information in their first post. EVen things they
already know.

We had one a couple days ago who dribbled out the important
information a little at a time until most people had I'm sure stopped
reading the thread before all the important facts were in.

Enough "hours" that any human who has ever
used A/C would recognize that there's a problem.

And did you say that you had ever used AC before?

And again, you hadn't said how many hours. We can't read your mind.


Again, did you miss the $320 electric bill.

Clueless I tell you, just pure stupidity!

On Jul 7, 8:24 am, wrote:
On Jul 7, 7:29 am, "HeyBub" wrote:

wrote:

It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
"hours" if it wasn't...

Hmm. 12:00PM implies twelve hours past midday (p.m. = "post meridian" = past
midday). That would be midnight. From there to 7:46PM means the ac has been
on for almost twenty hours.

Of course one could also say 12:00AM (a.m. = "ante meridian" = before
midday) which would also be midnight.

Sorry, 12:00PM is noon. Have a High School diploma?? Is English your
native language??

I know how to tell time I wasn't sure YOU did based on the problem
solving skills you have displayed thus far

noon or midnight eliminates any possible confusion as does "seven
hours" vs "hours"

the more humble & helpful (clearly posed questions) you appear the
more likely you'll get help

I know you're frustrated having a problem that you don't have the
skills or resources to address but ****ing off people who could
possibly help you isn't a good idead.

btw

my A/C works fine (& I know how they work)
I don't have to ask for help from a bunch of abuse a$$'s in alt.hvac
&
I don't live in an 800 sq ft apt at the mercy of some cheap landlord

stop whining & get a window unit.......you've already ****ed away more
than the cost of a unit on electricity

have a nice day

On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, wrote:
It's 90 deg. outside, humidity is 37%. The A/C is set to 80 deg. The
temp in the apartment is at 83 deg, and hasn't gone below that. The A/
C has been running non-stop for hours. The temp out of the vents is
colder than the air in the apartment, but not a lot colder. (I don't
have a thermometer.)

Maintenance fixed the A/C only a month ago when it completely quit
working. Our electric bill that month was $320 for a 800 sq ft
apartment.

Maintenance is coming tomorrow. How do I make sure they fix the unit
right, or make the landlord replace it if it won't work properly? The
electric bill is outragous.


Maintenance came today. He hooked an electric probe in two places, and
in two minutes he said "it's fine." He hadn't checked the output
temperature. I asked him to do that. (The A/C was off before he came,
as it wasn't working right, so it's only been running for a couple
minutes.) He went back to his van and got a thermometer (laser,
interesting). The output temperature was 70 deg, and the house was 82
deg. I said it should be 20 deg. "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).
He said it had to run for a while to get to that temp. (Recall, he
just asked why I thought is should be 20 deg.) I explained the
problem of it not cooling down below 83 deg in 7 hours, and never
having an electric bill like we just had in the year and a half we'd
already been here. He didn't have anything to say, and didn't check
anything else. He never looked at the outside part of the unit. I
asked if he had a contractor HVAC license as he was leaving. He said
yes. I said I'd come down with him and write the number down. When I
got to his van he said I'm not giving you my contractors number, the
landlord has it. I said I need to keep proper records because the
cooling bill is outragous, and the A/C is not cooling the apartment.
He wouldn't give it to me. I said well then I'll write down your plate
number and write the state about it.

(Also, he said the previous problem las month was a broken relay.)

Unfortunately, the law doesn't require him to have a license. I just
found the following on the net:
G.S. 87-21 (c) To Whom Article Applies. - The provisions of this
Article shall apply to all persons, firms, or corporations who engage
in, or attempt to engage in, the business of plumbing, heating, or
fire sprinkler contracting, or any combination thereof as defined in
this Article. The provisions of this Article shall not apply to those
who make minor repairs or minor replacements to an already installed
system of plumbing or heating, but shall apply to those who make
repairs, replacements, or modifications to an already installed fire
sprinkler system.

On Jul 6, 8:18 pm, clams casino wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
wrote:

It's 90 deg. outside, humidity is 37%. The A/C is set to 80 deg. The
temp in the apartment is at 83 deg, and hasn't gone below that. The A/
C has been running non-stop for hours. The temp out of the vents is
colder than the air in the apartment, but not a lot colder. (I don't
have a thermometer.)

Maintenance fixed the A/C only a month ago when it completely quit
working. Our electric bill that month was $320 for a 800 sq ft
apartment.

Maintenance is coming tomorrow. How do I make sure they fix the unit
right, or make the landlord replace it if it won't work properly? The
electric bill is outragous.

You really need a thermometer. The output of a properly-functioning A/C
should be in the neighborhood of 20 degrees less than the room's ambient
air.

Cost varies dramatically depending on your location and the cost per KWH.
For example, I'm in Houston (same latitude as Cairo) and my electric bill
(for 1500 sq ft), keeping a temp of 72 degrees, was less than yours.

Second the use of thermometer. It's the best test.

As mentioned above, if working correctly, the output should be about
20F lower than the input (room temp).


I just posted a description of what maintenance didn't do as a reponse
to my original post.

On Jul 6, 9:54 pm, udarrell wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, wrote:

It's 90 deg. outside, humidity is 37%. The A/C is set to 80 deg. The
temp in the apartment is at 83 deg, and hasn't gone below that. The A/
C has been running non-stop for hours. The temp out of the vents is
colder than the air in the apartment, but not a lot colder. (I don't
have a thermometer.)

Maintenance fixed the A/C only a month ago when it completely quit
working. Our electric bill that month was $320 for a 800 sq ft
apartment.

Maintenance is coming tomorrow. How do I make sure they fix the unit
right, or make the landlord replace it if it won't work properly? The
electric bill is outragous.

The unit doesn't show a manufacturing date, and I can't find the model
no. on the manufacturer's website. Here's what the stickers say:
Goodman Manufacturing Co, 1501 Seamist Dr,
Houston, TX 77008
Model No. AW30-05C
Part No. 20203-23
Regrig 22
Design PSIG 150
Heater Amps 208/240V
Motor 1PH 60HZ 3.5 Amps 1/3 HP
Single Circuit 17.3/20.0
Min Circuit Ampicity 26/29
Max Overcurrent Protection 30/30
UL Listed - G0587770080

Also, once the unit works properly, how much more does it cost to keep
the apartment at 76 as opposed to 80 (above conditions)?

Thanks

I think this numbers above are for the heater... Here's the data from
the big fan thing outside:
Goodman Manufacturing Co.
Model No. CPKJ24-1A
Operating volts 197-253
208/230
Min circuit amps 15.3
Compressor RLA 11.5 LRA 60.0
Fan Motor FLA 0.9 HP 1/6
Part No. 14930-177

That is a 2-Ton condenser for a mere 800-sq.ft. in a dry climate, it
should handle that heatload with ease!
If the interior of your home has a low humidity, a mere 90-F outdoors is
not a heavy load on that system - when it is operating properly.
A room temperature of 76-F should not be difficult to achieve with a
very moderate electric usage.

I cool over 800-Sq.Ft in an old 1930's home with a lot of windows with a
mere Half-Ton window unit. Your unit is rated at 4 Times the BTUH and
mine will pull the temperature down to 76-F with outdoor Heat Index at
104-F.http://www.udarrell.com/aircondition...ure_btuh_chart...

Check my pages & use a thermometer to get all the needed readings.
Post the data. There may be some useful clues in that test data.
Do the outdoor condenser Temp-Split, it can also be helpful. - udarrell

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I just posted a description of what maintenance didn't do as a reponse
to my original post.

On Jul 7, 3:13 am, mm wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:55:23 -0700, wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" wrote:
wrote in message
...

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained HVAC
technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that couldn't make
it doing anything else.

What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC

Ask him what the problem is, and how long it will take to fix it.

Since he doesn't work for you, he may not tell you, but if you are
nice, and not the least bit snotty, he may well tell you.

Maybe ask him if it's worth repairing or not, although that is not his
decision and he may be much less willing to speculate. OTOH, if he
knows it's a 50 dollar problem, he may be wiling to speculate. But
you have to be even nicer to get answers to hard questions.
(sometimes even when you yourself are paying).

certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't pay
for.


I just posted a description of what maintenance didn't do as a reponse
to my original post.

On Jul 7, 9:27 am, wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, wrote:

It's 90 deg. outside, humidity is 37%. The A/C is set to 80 deg. The
temp in the apartment is at 83 deg, and hasn't gone below that. The A/
C has been running non-stop for hours. The temp out of the vents is
colder than the air in the apartment, but not a lot colder. (I don't
have a thermometer.)

Maintenance fixed the A/C only a month ago when it completely quit
working. Our electric bill that month was $320 for a 800 sq ft
apartment.

Maintenance is coming tomorrow. How do I make sure they fix the unit
right, or make the landlord replace it if it won't work properly? The
electric bill is outragous.

Maintenance came today. He hooked an electric probe in two places, and
in two minutes he said "it's fine." He hadn't checked the output
temperature. I asked him to do that. (The A/C was off before he came,
as it wasn't working right, so it's only been running for a couple
minutes.) He went back to his van and got a thermometer (laser,
interesting). The output temperature was 70 deg, and the house was 82
deg. I said it should be 20 deg. "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).
He said it had to run for a while to get to that temp. (Recall, he
just asked why I thought is should be 20 deg.) I explained the
problem of it not cooling down below 83 deg in 7 hours, and never
having an electric bill like we just had in the year and a half we'd
already been here. He didn't have anything to say, and didn't check
anything else. He never looked at the outside part of the unit. I
asked if he had a contractor HVAC license as he was leaving. He said
yes. I said I'd come down with him and write the number down. When I
got to his van he said I'm not giving you my contractors number, the
landlord has it. I said I need to keep proper records because the
cooling bill is outragous, and the A/C is not cooling the apartment.
He wouldn't give it to me. I said well then I'll write down your plate
number and write the state about it.

(Also, he said the previous problem las month was a broken relay.)

Unfortunately, the law doesn't require him to have a license. I just
found the following on the net:
G.S. 87-21 (c) To Whom Article Applies. - The provisions of this
Article shall apply to all persons, firms, or corporations who engage
in, or attempt to engage in, the business of plumbing, heating, or
fire sprinkler contracting, or any combination thereof as defined in
this Article. The provisions of this Article shall not apply to those
who make minor repairs or minor replacements to an already installed
system of plumbing or heating, but shall apply to those who make
repairs, replacements, or modifications to an already installed fire
sprinkler system.


I can see your attitude & problem solving skills are really moving
that ball forward.

quoting law / code ain't going to get your apt cooled off

must really suck to be you.........hope it's not too hot today for
you