Possibly already been argued ad nauseum, but what the heck is making copper
so damned expensive? I priced out Romex, now that I will be able to re-wire
my newly grounded box, and its outrageous. $146 dollars for 10/2 x 250 ft?
What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000 feet is a tad
(like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost. Don't even talk to me about 12/2 or
14/2. It ain't cheaper to get more now, it sure was 2 months ago.

Copper pipe is just as bad. What's happened in the world that has made
copper such a valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.

"Eigenvector" wrote in message

What's happened in the world that has made copper such a valuable
commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq, 'cause that's BS.

Have you heard about China? It is a big country overseas. They are
starting to make some goods to sell in the US. If you look around hard
enough, you may find some items made there.

Price some steel pie too.

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
Possibly already been argued ad nauseum, but what the heck is making
copper so damned expensive? I priced out Romex, now that I will be able
to re-wire my newly grounded box, and its outrageous. $146 dollars for
10/2 x 250 ft? What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000
feet is a tad (like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost. Don't even talk to
me about 12/2 or 14/2. It ain't cheaper to get more now, it sure was 2
months ago.

Copper pipe is just as bad. What's happened in the world that has made
copper such a valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.

Simple supply and demand. When supply was plentiful, mines shut down as
prices are too low to justify operation. Then when the supply gets tight,
prices rise. It takes time to get mines back into production (as well as
the right price point) so hence, you end up with low supply and what seems
like high demand for awhile. It'll come back down just as soon as more
mines get back online and start increasing the supply. China is a part of
the demand picture but is certainly not the only country demanding copper.
Cheers,
cc

I am an investment planner in precious metals and energies markets. For the
last year or so, the whole precious metals market and the energies have
being going up. Just in the last few weeks these commodities have dropped a
number of points, but this is going to only be temporary.

In the last 5 years, the average cost of gold has been increased from 280 US
to 560 US average price per ounce. This works to about 40% per year average.
Gold is the basic leader for the metals markets in general. Metals like
Zinc, copper, and silver are considered low end precious or semi-precious
metals. Aluminums is not far behind, since its cost to produce is going up
very strongly. By-the-way, in case you are interested, if you put your money
in a quality gold mining company about 5 years ago, it would be worth more
than 200% today in comparison to what you started with.

You can see the gold charts he http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html

In the Far East and in China, there is a tremendous industrial growth going
on. It is far greater than what we can imagine over in North America or in
Europe. All the large corporations are starting to manufacture most
everything over there. There are incredibly large markets opening up in
Asia, Russia, South Africa, and other areas. The North American and European
consumer markets are actually shrinking. These manufactures need many types
of materials, oil, and most of the available precious metals to do their
manufacturing. Most of the zinc, copper, gold, and silver, end up in the
electronics industry. The mining industries are having a difficult time to
keep up with the orders for the metals. They have expressions, that say that
they cannot get the minerals out of the ground fast enough for their
customers. Or, the metals are sold before they come out from the ground.

Some of the factors that effect the metals markets are the world US dollar
value, the inflation, the US interest rates, the demand for the metals, and
also the political stability.

During unstable times, many of the large investors start putting their money
in to gold, thus driving the gold price up. The other metals generally
follow, because all the markets are related in many ways. The price of oil
also follows up and down in a near pattern to that of the gold. Every day,
there are millions of shares being bought and sold in the oil and precious
metals. When there is a lot of buying of these commodities, the price
generally goes up.

This explanation only touches on the subject to give you an idea. The exact
detailed reasons for the movement of the metals and energy commodities
prices is fairly complex to explain in a simple email text.

Mark down the prices of what you are paying in the store for the copper
pieces. In a few years from now, take in your note pad, and make the
comparison. You should see a big difference.


--

JANA
_____


"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
Possibly already been argued ad nauseum, but what the heck is making copper
so damned expensive? I priced out Romex, now that I will be able to re-wire
my newly grounded box, and its outrageous. $146 dollars for 10/2 x 250 ft?
What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000 feet is a tad
(like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost. Don't even talk to me about 12/2 or
14/2. It ain't cheaper to get more now, it sure was 2 months ago.

Copper pipe is just as bad. What's happened in the world that has made
copper such a valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.

yeah china sucking up copper they are becoming a major exporter and
buying raw materials.........

i think we should open the borders let companies pay sub minimum wages
to new immigrants and start manufacturing and exporting to places like
china.

go to fair tax elminate the IRS so exported goods are more competive.

At some point the US economy will collapse because we will build
nothing.......

Having no one to sell to but ourselves our economy will go bust and
social security will collapse.

Pork spending and lack of exports our economy is a house of cards and
the wind is picking up.

OPEN THE BORDERS TO EVERYONE BUT CRIMINALS AND EX[PAND THE US
ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!!

Eigenvector wrote:
Possibly already been argued ad nauseum, but what the heck is making
copper so damned expensive? I priced out Romex, now that I will be
able to re-wire my newly grounded box, and its outrageous. $146
dollars for 10/2 x 250 ft? What's worse, 100 feet is less than half
the cost, and 1000 feet is a tad (like 10 bucks) under 4 times the
cost. Don't even talk to me about 12/2 or 14/2. It ain't cheaper to
get more now, it sure was 2 months ago.
Copper pipe is just as bad. What's happened in the world that has
made copper such a valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war
in Iraq, 'cause that's BS.

Commodity (oil, copper, pork bellies, pornography, coffee, etc.) prices
follow the rule: "rocket up, feather down."

Disruptions in the supply/demand ratio cause prices to rise dramatically
and, as production catches up with demand, prices ooze down.

In article , "JANA" wrote:
I am an investment planner in precious metals and energies markets. For the
last year or so, the whole precious metals market and the energies have
being going up. Just in the last few weeks these commodities have dropped a
number of points, but this is going to only be temporary.

In the last 5 years, the average cost of gold has been increased from 280 US
to 560 US average price per ounce. This works to about 40% per year average.

Not even close. For an investment planner, your math skills leave a bit to be
desired. An investment that doubles in price in 5 years has gone up a bit less
than 15% per year, not 40%. Conversely, a commodity that was priced at $280
five years ago, and has appreciated 40% annually, is now worth $1506.


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
Possibly already been argued ad nauseum, but what the heck is making
copper so damned expensive? I priced out Romex, now that I will be able
to re-wire my newly grounded box, and its outrageous. $146 dollars for
10/2 x 250 ft? What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000
feet is a tad (like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost. Don't even talk to
me about 12/2 or 14/2. It ain't cheaper to get more now, it sure was 2
months ago.

Copper pipe is just as bad. What's happened in the world that has made
copper such a valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.
The global economy is doing well; India and China are moderizing like crazy
and that takes copper. It is pretty much like oil.

All I know is that I had 470' of 12/2 on Craigslist for weeks now for $75
and no one wants it. Go figure. (I bought it at garage sales for $20 and
have way more than I will ever use)

wrote in message
..

At some point the US economy will collapse because we will build
nothing.......

Yes, but we'll have casinos. When Electric Boat laid off thousands of
workers they were employed by the casinos in about a year. So what if the
pay cut was about $19 an hour.

By 2036 we'll have half the country collecting social security and the
other half running casinos for the old people to go to.

"JANA" wrote in message
...
I am an investment planner in precious metals and energies markets. For the
last year or so, the whole precious metals market and the energies have
being going up. Just in the last few weeks these commodities have dropped
a
number of points, but this is going to only be temporary.

In the last 5 years, the average cost of gold has been increased from 280
US
to 560 US average price per ounce. This works to about 40% per year
average.
Gold is the basic leader for the metals markets in general. Metals like
Zinc, copper, and silver are considered low end precious or semi-precious
metals. Aluminums is not far behind, since its cost to produce is going up
very strongly. By-the-way, in case you are interested, if you put your
money
in a quality gold mining company about 5 years ago, it would be worth more
than 200% today in comparison to what you started with.

That's funny! If you bought Gold in 1980 you would still be down.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:27:14 -0700, "Eigenvector"
wrote:

$146 dollars for 10/2 x 250 ft?
What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000 feet is a tad
(like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost.

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but doesn't this part, the
ratios, make sense?

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:27:14 -0700, "Eigenvector"
wrote:

$146 dollars for 10/2 x 250 ft?
What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000 feet is a tad
(like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost.

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but doesn't this part, the
ratios, make sense?

No. Typically from what I've seen in the past, it is cheaper to buy larger
amounts. I don't mean just a little cheaper, I mean why buy 100' when 250'
is much cheaper on a per foot basis? That kind of cheap. Now it seems like
on a per foot basis the price isn't changing at all. Nominally I would say
that the makers of romex have gotten smart and realized that people were
buying long lengths and cutting it for multiple jobs. So they equalized the
prices and now its just as cheap to buy multiple 100' rolls.

"Toller" wrote in message
...

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
Possibly already been argued ad nauseum, but what the heck is making
copper so damned expensive? I priced out Romex, now that I will be able
to re-wire my newly grounded box, and its outrageous. $146 dollars for
10/2 x 250 ft? What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and
1000 feet is a tad (like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost. Don't even
talk to me about 12/2 or 14/2. It ain't cheaper to get more now, it sure
was 2 months ago.

Copper pipe is just as bad. What's happened in the world that has made
copper such a valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.
The global economy is doing well; India and China are moderizing like
crazy and that takes copper. It is pretty much like oil.

I just cant see that. While China and India may be modernizing, they have
their own supply of metals to draw from and they've been doing so for
years - so it's not just that. That is one part of the equation yes, not
all of it. No matter how dramatic the demand has risen, it hasn't risen
enough to make the price of 250' 12/2 Romex jump from $89 to $140+ in 2
months - that's more than 50%.


All I know is that I had 470' of 12/2 on Craigslist for weeks now for $75
and no one wants it. Go figure. (I bought it at garage sales for $20 and
have way more than I will ever use)

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
...

"Toller" wrote in message
...

I just cant see that. While China and India may be modernizing, they have
their own supply of metals to draw from and they've been doing so for
years - so it's not just that. That is one part of the equation yes, not
all of it. No matter how dramatic the demand has risen, it hasn't risen
enough to make the price of 250' 12/2 Romex jump from $89 to $140+ in 2
months - that's more than 50%.

They are not producing enough to supply their own needs. It's that simple.
They are drawing on the supply generated elsewhere and driving prices up.
And to your statement that "it hasn't risen enough to make the price of 250'
12/2 Romex jump from $89 to $140+ in 2
months - that's more than 50%." .... obviously it has or the price wouldn't
be as you quoted. When mines start producing more or new mines finally
come on line, you'll see prices drop, albeit it may take a while.

spake thus:

yeah china sucking up copper they are becoming a major exporter and
buying raw materials.........

That's right. I almost went to work for a metal recycling company here
in Oakland; most of their stuff gets shipped to either China or,
surprisingly, Vietnam. Big markets over there for our old ground-up cars
and fridges and stuff.


--
Napoleon won the battle of Waterloo. The German Wehrmacht won World War
II. The United States won in Vietnam, and the Soviets in Afghanistan.
The Zealots won against the Romans, and Ehud Olmert won the Second
Lebanon War.

- Uri Avnery, Israeli peace activist
(http://counterpunch.org/avnery09022006.html)

"JANA" wrote in message
...
I am an investment planner in precious metals and energies markets.

bull**** and bad math snipped out of respect for reality

Thanks, Buddy. I'll keep mine in first deeds if it's okay with you.

Steve

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:18:29 -0400, "JANA"
wrote Re Copper prices:

if you put your money
in a quality gold mining company about 5 years ago, it would be worth more
than 200% today in comparison to what you started with.

And if you had put your money in gold 25 years ago you would have lost
your ass.
--
Slimes-Daily motto: 1) Tax and Spend, 2) Change the Constitution to make it easier to do (1).

"Eigenvector" wrote in message

I just cant see that. While China and India may be modernizing, they have
their own supply of metals to draw from and they've been doing so for
years - so it's not just that. That is one part of the equation yes, not
all of it. No matter how dramatic the demand has risen, it hasn't risen
enough to make the price of 250' 12/2 Romex jump from $89 to $140+ in 2
months - that's more than 50%.

It is a major portion of it. They may have lots of metal in the ground, but
they can get if faster and refined from over here. The more you look into
it, the more you will find out just how fast China is expanding.

Aside from all of that, it seems as though all the commodities take turns
gouging the consumer. Steel skyrocketed a couple of years ago, then oil,
natural gas jumped. Someone is making a fortune

Eigenvector wrote:

The global economy is doing well; India and China are moderizing like
crazy and that takes copper. It is pretty much like oil.

I just cant see that. While China and India may be modernizing, they
have their own supply of metals to draw from and they've been doing
so for years - so it's not just that. That is one part of the
equation yes, not all of it. No matter how dramatic the demand has
risen, it hasn't risen enough to make the price of 250' 12/2 Romex
jump from $89 to $140+ in 2 months - that's more than 50%.


It's the oil companies colluding and scheming and carteling to screw the
little guy.

No, wait.....

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:13:37 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:


"Eigenvector" wrote in message
...
Possibly already been argued ad nauseum, but what the heck is making
copper so damned expensive? I priced out Romex, now that I will be able
to re-wire my newly grounded box, and its outrageous. $146 dollars for
10/2 x 250 ft? What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000
feet is a tad (like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost. Don't even talk to
me about 12/2 or 14/2. It ain't cheaper to get more now, it sure was 2
months ago.

Copper pipe is just as bad. What's happened in the world that has made
copper such a valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.

Simple supply and demand. When supply was plentiful, mines shut down as
prices are too low to justify operation. Then when the supply gets tight,
prices rise. It takes time to get mines back into production (as well as
the right price point) so hence, you end up with low supply and what seems
like high demand for awhile. It'll come back down just as soon as more
mines get back online and start increasing the supply. China is a part of
the demand picture but is certainly not the only country demanding copper.
Cheers,
cc


Actually, copper will NEVER come back down in price. Not in your
life time.

"DK" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:13:37 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:


Actually, copper will NEVER come back down in price. Not in your
life time.



Oh it will. Every commodity does once the supply/demand evens out and it
won't take 40-50 years to happen. There's over 100 years of supply
available to be mined, it's just a matter of waiting for the mining
companies to get at it. As more supply enters the market, prices will drop.
Part of what we're seeing is also a function of market investment driving
prices up too. Considering most commodities were at their lowest price in
decades (inflation adjusted), it may take a bit longer to come down but it
will, and I should definitely be around to see it.
Cheers,
cc

It's the oil companies colluding and scheming and carteling to screw the
little guy.

No, wait.....

no its those oil companies running the price of gasoline down to help
bush and the republicans at the election coming up.

remember bush is a big oil bretheren.......

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
Possibly already been argued ad nauseum, but what the heck is making
copper so damned expensive? I priced out Romex, now that I will be able
to re-wire my newly grounded box, and its outrageous. $146 dollars for
10/2 x 250 ft? What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000
feet is a tad (like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost. Don't even talk to
me about 12/2 or 14/2. It ain't cheaper to get more now, it sure was 2
months ago.

Copper pipe is just as bad. What's happened in the world that has made
copper such a valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.

supply and demand, those who supply it have figured out they can sell it for
more and few will protest (after all, protesting is politically incorrect
nowadays), kinda like energy costs and the ken lay types who live lives of
extravagant luxury in clouds of suspicion

maybe increased transportation costs due to fat cat corporate big wigs
wanting higher salaries and more retirement

Well my first thought was "what the hell is craig's list"? That's probably
why you still have it. Try ebay at that price. I'll be gone in 15 minutes.

--
Steve Barker

"Toller" wrote in message
...
All I know is that I had 470' of 12/2 on Craigslist for weeks now for $75
and no one wants it. Go figure. (I bought it at garage sales for $20 and
have way more than I will ever use)

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:43:38 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:


"DK" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:13:37 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:


Actually, copper will NEVER come back down in price. Not in your
life time.



Oh it will. Every commodity does once the supply/demand evens out and it
won't take 40-50 years to happen. There's over 100 years of supply
available to be mined, it's just a matter of waiting for the mining
companies to get at it. As more supply enters the market, prices will drop.
Part of what we're seeing is also a function of market investment driving
prices up too. Considering most commodities were at their lowest price in
decades (inflation adjusted), it may take a bit longer to come down but it
will, and I should definitely be around to see it.
Cheers,
cc


And you never know when they're going to invent cheap synthetic
copper.
--
92 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-- George Washington

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:35:16 -0700, "Eigenvector"
wrote:


"mm" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:27:14 -0700, "Eigenvector"
wrote:

$146 dollars for 10/2 x 250 ft?
What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000 feet is a tad
(like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost.

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but doesn't this part, the
ratios, make sense?

No. Typically from what I've seen in the past, it is cheaper to buy larger
amounts. I don't mean just a little cheaper, I mean why buy 100' when 250'
is much cheaper on a per foot basis? That kind of cheap. Now it seems like
on a per foot basis the price isn't changing at all. Nominally I would say
that the makers of romex have gotten smart and realized that people were
buying long lengths and cutting it for multiple jobs. So they equalized the
prices and now its just as cheap to buy multiple 100' rolls.

I see what you mean. All I saw in your numbers before was that it was
a little cheaper to buy longer lengths.

You should also be careful in the grocery store. I've seen cases
where big sizes cost more per amount than smaller sizes, and other
places where the price savings was only 5 cents.

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:43:38 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:

"DK" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:13:37 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:


Actually, copper will NEVER come back down in price. Not in your
life time.


Oh it will. Every commodity does once the supply/demand evens out and it
won't take 40-50 years to happen. There's over 100 years of supply
available to be mined, it's just a matter of waiting for the mining
companies to get at it. As more supply enters the market, prices will drop.
Part of what we're seeing is also a function of market investment driving
prices up too. Considering most commodities were at their lowest price in
decades (inflation adjusted), it may take a bit longer to come down but it
will, and I should definitely be around to see it.
Cheers,
cc


And you never know when they're going to invent cheap synthetic
copper.

That's already been done. Check out pennies since 1982 -- aluminum core!

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:48:44 GMT, "nowforsale"
wrote:

supply and demand, those who supply it have figured out they can sell it
for
more and few will protest

Perhaps now that the new house market is cooling people may start
protesting with their wallet and reducing demand.
Copper plumbing is rapidly becoming obsolete in most places and I
wouldn't be surprised if aluminum wire made a comeback. It is very
common in sizes above #8 anyway. Alcan is already trying to
rehibilitate the reputation for smaller sizes in electrical seminars.
The new style MC cable uses an aluminum grounding conductor. That is a
33% saving in copper use. KIng Industries is pushing a splicing device
that doesn't require special tools and training so you can pigtail
copper for the receptacle and switch device connection.

Well as a way of ending this one and preventing it from turning into a
platform for rants. I bit the bullet and went ahead and bought my Romex. I
figure I might as well before the price goes up again. Lowes had 250' of
12/2 for $79 so I went for it.

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:03:01 -0400, mm
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:35:16 -0700, "Eigenvector"
wrote:


"mm" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:27:14 -0700, "Eigenvector"
wrote:

$146 dollars for 10/2 x 250 ft?
What's worse, 100 feet is less than half the cost, and 1000 feet is a tad
(like 10 bucks) under 4 times the cost.

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but doesn't this part, the
ratios, make sense?

No. Typically from what I've seen in the past, it is cheaper to buy larger
amounts. I don't mean just a little cheaper, I mean why buy 100' when 250'
is much cheaper on a per foot basis? That kind of cheap. Now it seems like
on a per foot basis the price isn't changing at all. Nominally I would say
that the makers of romex have gotten smart and realized that people were
buying long lengths and cutting it for multiple jobs. So they equalized the
prices and now its just as cheap to buy multiple 100' rolls.

I see what you mean. All I saw in your numbers before was that it was
a little cheaper to buy longer lengths.

You should also be careful in the grocery store. I've seen cases
where big sizes cost more per amount than smaller sizes, and other
places where the price savings was only 5 cents.

I remember something about some kids selling candy 2 for a nickel, 3
for a dime.
--
92 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-- George Washington

In article , "Eigenvector" wrote:

Well as a way of ending this one and preventing it from turning into a
platform for rants. I bit the bullet and went ahead and bought my Romex. I
figure I might as well before the price goes up again. Lowes had 250' of
12/2 for $79 so I went for it.

That's already a lot cheaper than it was just a few months ago. It was over
$100 in June.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "Eigenvector"
wrote:

Well as a way of ending this one and preventing it from turning into a
platform for rants. I bit the bullet and went ahead and bought my Romex.
I
figure I might as well before the price goes up again. Lowes had 250' of
12/2 for $79 so I went for it.

That's already a lot cheaper than it was just a few months ago. It was
over
$100 in June.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)


Yeah, I saw the opening and went for it. The next investment will be 14/3
for the dryer and 14/3 for the range - all of which are probably way out of
code.


It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Eigenvector spake thus:

Yeah, I saw the opening and went for it. The next investment will be 14/3
for the dryer and 14/3 for the range - all of which are probably way out of
code.

Aren't those typos--didn't you mean to type "12/3"? For a range and a
dryer????


--
Napoleon won the battle of Waterloo. The German Wehrmacht won World War
II. The United States won in Vietnam, and the Soviets in Afghanistan.
The Zealots won against the Romans, and Ehud Olmert won the Second
Lebanon War.

- Uri Avnery, Israeli peace activist
(http://counterpunch.org/avnery09022006.html)

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:18:01 -0700, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

Eigenvector spake thus:

Yeah, I saw the opening and went for it. The next investment will be 14/3
for the dryer and 14/3 for the range - all of which are probably way out of
code.

Aren't those typos--didn't you mean to type "12/3"? For a range and a
dryer????

10/3?
--
92 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-- George Washington

In article , "Eigenvector" wrote:

Yeah, I saw the opening and went for it. The next investment will be 14/3
for the dryer and 14/3 for the range - all of which are probably way out of
code.

Please tell me those are typos, and you really meant to type 10/3 or 8/3.

Wiring an electric range or dryer with 14ga wire is insane.

--
Regards,
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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
Yeah, I saw the opening and went for it. The next investment will be 14/3
for the dryer and 14/3 for the range - all of which are probably way out
of code.

Not just out of code, but out of common sense. I'd think 10/3 is the
minimum, but more likely 8/3 Be sure to check your smoke detectors and keep
a fire extinguisher handy.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
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In article , "Eigenvector"
wrote:

Yeah, I saw the opening and went for it. The next investment will be 14/3
for the dryer and 14/3 for the range - all of which are probably way out
of
code.

Please tell me those are typos, and you really meant to type 10/3 or 8/3.

Wiring an electric range or dryer with 14ga wire is insane.

Yes it was a typo. Sorry didn't mean to worry everyone



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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Edwin Pawlowski spake thus:


"Eigenvector" wrote in message

Yeah, I saw the opening and went for it. The next investment will be 14/3
for the dryer and 14/3 for the range - all of which are probably way out
of code.

Not just out of code, but out of common sense. I'd think 10/3 is the
minimum, but more likely 8/3 Be sure to check your smoke detectors and keep
a fire extinguisher handy.

Maybe he was planning on using the run of 14 ga. as a heating element
.... you know, redneck baseboard heat ...


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II. The United States won in Vietnam, and the Soviets in Afghanistan.
The Zealots won against the Romans, and Ehud Olmert won the Second
Lebanon War.

- Uri Avnery, Israeli peace activist
(http://counterpunch.org/avnery09022006.html)

In article ,
"Eigenvector" wrote:

What's happened in the world that has made copper such a
valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.

We need a federal investigation into the skyrocketing prices of copper. I'm
sure the increase is a conspiracy by Big Coppertm to make even more profit.

The fine folks in Congress can sort it out, though, thank goodness.
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sigh
JR

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:50:47 -0500, Jim Redelfs
wrote:

In article ,
"Eigenvector" wrote:

What's happened in the world that has made copper such a
valuable commodity? Please don't tell me the war in Iraq,
'cause that's BS.

We need a federal investigation into the skyrocketing prices of copper. I'm
sure the increase is a conspiracy by Big Coppertm to make even more profit.

The fine folks in Congress can sort it out, though, thank goodness.

Thieves are cutting copper water pipes and electrical wiring from
buildings to sell scrap copper. One thief attempted to remove live
electrical copper wiring from a building and was electrocuted.

The fine folks in Congress can sort it out, though, thank goodness.
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sigh
JR

Yeah SURE Congress is lead by Bush, and the entire group is a
waste..........

I used to work for a company whos president was a alcholic His
behavior in dealing with troubles was very similiar to bush.

One day we will find our prtesident was hitting the bottle heavily
during this time......

At least it would explain his incompetence.......