This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

Scrim

Scrim wrote:
This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

You need to install filters in your usenet program to drop threads
featuring subjects and senders including words such as shoes, nike,
wholesale ...

--
Adrian C

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:28:02 -0000, "Scrim"
wrote:

This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

The only sure fix is to take control of your own news feed and filter it
aggressively before the feed gets to your client.

One approach is to install a local server on the same PC as your usenet
client. The server connects upstream, filters the traffic, and then
supplies your client application, typically through the loopback IP.

As a server it has access to the complete contents of every posting: all
header lines and the body text. That presents opportunities for
filtering that just are not possible when only a limited set of headers
are used.

See http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/index.html for some
examples.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

Scrim wrote:
This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

Scrim

I've just been through this experience myself and am still wondering why it is
only this group for me.
Anyway, I have a message filter now that looks for "cheap, wholesale, shoes,
handbags, retail, quality", you get the drift :-)
Works so far. (in Thunderbird)
Still, it's a mystery. Some say google is the culprit, probably true.
They bought dejanews and the rest is history.

Tony

Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:28:02 -0000, "Scrim"
wrote:

This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

Scrim

I guess Virgin doesn't filter it out for you so you'll have to do it
yourself.

Just get a decent newsreader, I use Thunderbird. Set filters to junk all
messages from the following

@yeah.net
@live.cn - in fact any .cn
@126.com
@163.com
and all @.gmail
(You might miss a few genuine posts by blocking gmail, but it`a small
price to pay. Anyone serious tends to not use gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc.)
You can check the filter logs from time to time and any posters you
inadvertently filtered out, you can add back in individually.

When ever you get spam, add the address to the list.

Ron

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:45:00 +0000, Ron
wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:28:02 -0000, "Scrim"
wrote:

This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

Scrim

I guess Virgin doesn't filter it out for you so you'll have to do it
yourself.

Just get a decent newsreader, I use Thunderbird. Set filters to junk all
messages from the following


- in fact any .cn


and all @.gmail
(You might miss a few genuine posts by blocking gmail, but it`a small
price to pay. Anyone serious tends to not use gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc.)
You can check the filter logs from time to time and any posters you
inadvertently filtered out, you can add back in individually.

When ever you get spam, add the address to the list.

Ron

I use Agent, but I don't filter anything. All the groups I subscribe
to get occassional spam, but this group gets 10 times more. Why would
it be different than the rest?

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:04:01 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:45:00 +0000, Ron
wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:28:02 -0000, "Scrim"
wrote:

This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

Scrim

I guess Virgin doesn't filter it out for you so you'll have to do it
yourself.

Just get a decent newsreader, I use Thunderbird. Set filters to junk all
messages from the following


- in fact any .cn


and all @.gmail
(You might miss a few genuine posts by blocking gmail, but it`a small
price to pay. Anyone serious tends to not use gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc.)
You can check the filter logs from time to time and any posters you
inadvertently filtered out, you can add back in individually.

When ever you get spam, add the address to the list.

Ron

I use Agent, but I don't filter anything. All the groups I subscribe
to get occassional spam, but this group gets 10 times more. Why would
it be different than the rest?

Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity (days
since last post), messages per month, and number of users as well as
sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that there may be some
set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract them.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

On Oct 28, 6:28*am, "Scrim" wrote:
This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

Scrim

How do you gain access?

How do you read it?

I use google for access and read using Opera 9.64 on Win98

As a result, 70-80% of the postings show up.

I've been told to PAY for better access. Yeah, that makes sense. I
should pay for something when the ones gaining, the spammers, should
pay.

So, what to do?

There is another thread here that shows a java script to highlight the
spam so it's very easy to ignore

I use Google to access, but I also use the free "Trollkiller" program
to filter out the spam and religious wackos.

http://www.source9.com/trollkiller.html

There's also a free filter from holysmoke:

http://www.holysmoke.org/ggf/index.htm

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:48:30 -0400, Rich Webb
wrote:

Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity (days
since last post), messages per month, and number of users as well as
sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that there may be some
set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract them.

Yep. They also check to see how many people actually click on the
inevitable URL included in the spam message. It's a tiny percentage
of the users, but that's where they allegedly make their money. The
more clicks, the more spam. (Feed the pigeons and what do you get?
More pigeons).

Looks like VirginMedia outsources their usenet news to Giganews. I'm
also using Giganews. After some minor keyword filtering, I get about
10 spam messages in this newsgroup per day. No big deal. In Agent, I
just hit the del key and they're gone. If they're repetitive, I
just add it to the built in spam filter.

However, if you REALLY want to get rid of the spam, just hire a hitman
and make a few spammers really disappear. If they're that bad a
problem, it should be worth the money. Take up a collection. Then
start at the top of this list:
http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso
Note that the majority are in the USA. Start at the top and work your
way down. Eliminate a few of the top spammers and I'm sure the others
will get the clue.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:48:30 -0400, Rich Webb
wrote:

Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity (days
since last post), messages per month, and number of users as well as
sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that there may be some
set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract them.

Yep. They also check to see how many people actually click on the
inevitable URL included in the spam message. It's a tiny percentage
of the users, but that's where they allegedly make their money. The
more clicks, the more spam. (Feed the pigeons and what do you get?
More pigeons).

Looks like VirginMedia outsources their usenet news to Giganews. I'm
also using Giganews. After some minor keyword filtering, I get about
10 spam messages in this newsgroup per day. No big deal. In Agent, I
just hit the del key and they're gone. If they're repetitive, I
just add it to the built in spam filter.

However, if you REALLY want to get rid of the spam, just hire a hitman
and make a few spammers really disappear. If they're that bad a
problem, it should be worth the money. Take up a collection. Then
start at the top of this list:
http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso
Note that the majority are in the USA. Start at the top and work your
way down. Eliminate a few of the top spammers and I'm sure the others
will get the clue.


I'm not sure, but I don't think we are allowed to do that sort of thing
over here.

Ron
I watched The Sopranos once, I was very disappointed, hardly any singing
at all!

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:59:38 +0000, Ron
wrote:
I'm not sure, but I don't think we are allowed to do that sort of thing
over here.

There's probably a law making just about everything illegal. I can't
make it through a day without breaking at least one or two laws (other
than traffic violations).
http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news7022.html
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/3552/need-a-hitman-illegal-aliens-available-for-hire-thank-ices-myers-torres-for-murder-of-detroit-couple/
(plenty more). If spam is causing such a problem for ISP's,
individuals, companies, governments, etc, it should be fairly easy to
take up a collection and do what's necessary to "set and example". I'm
sure the judge will understand after his mailbox is filled with spam.
I'm not suggesting any new laws or massive enforcement efforts. Just a
high profile extermination of some of the major perpetrators. The
others will surely get the clue and find something else to trash.



--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 10/28/2009 6:06 AM TonyS spake thus:

Scrim wrote:

This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

I've just been through this experience myself and am still wondering why it is
only this group for me.

It's definitely not just this newsgroup; lots of others with similar
high levels of spam.

Still, it's a mystery. Some say google is the culprit, probably true.
They bought dejanews and the rest is history.

You've got that right. Google is the main culprit.


--
Who needs a junta or a dictatorship when you have a Congress
blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?

- harvested from Usenet

In article , Rich Webb wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:04:01 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:45:00 +0000, Ron
wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:28:02 -0000, "Scrim"
wrote:

This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

Scrim

I guess Virgin doesn't filter it out for you so you'll have to do it
yourself.

Just get a decent newsreader, I use Thunderbird. Set filters to junk all
messages from the following


- in fact any .cn


and all @.gmail
(You might miss a few genuine posts by blocking gmail, but it`a small
price to pay. Anyone serious tends to not use gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc.)
You can check the filter logs from time to time and any posters you
inadvertently filtered out, you can add back in individually.

When ever you get spam, add the address to the list.

Ron

I use Agent, but I don't filter anything. All the groups I subscribe
to get occassional spam, but this group gets 10 times more. Why would
it be different than the rest?

Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity (days
since last post), messages per month, and number of users as well as
sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that there may be some
set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract them.


I highly disagree
I have found high spam in little used groups.
Spammers also try to stay away from groups whose users give out
a lot of trash and spam back to the originators. They don't like
spam either.

I'm not talking about Google.

To tell the truth, I think 4th parties do the spamming and the company,
usually ONE company, the one in China, has little knowledge of anything.

greg

In article , Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:48:30 -0400, Rich Webb
wrote:

Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity (days
since last post), messages per month, and number of users as well as
sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that there may be some
set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract them.

Yep. They also check to see how many people actually click on the
inevitable URL included in the spam message. It's a tiny percentage
of the users, but that's where they allegedly make their money. The
more clicks, the more spam. (Feed the pigeons and what do you get?
More pigeons).


I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.
If everybody who complains did this, there would be no spam from those
guys. Its mostly one company in China.

greg

Looks like VirginMedia outsources their usenet news to Giganews. I'm
also using Giganews. After some minor keyword filtering, I get about
10 spam messages in this newsgroup per day. No big deal. In Agent, I
just hit the del key and they're gone. If they're repetitive, I
just add it to the built in spam filter.

However, if you REALLY want to get rid of the spam, just hire a hitman
and make a few spammers really disappear. If they're that bad a
problem, it should be worth the money. Take up a collection. Then
start at the top of this list:
http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso
Note that the majority are in the USA. Start at the top and work your
way down. Eliminate a few of the top spammers and I'm sure the others
will get the clue.

Robert Macy wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:28*am, "Scrim" wrote:
This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?

Scrim

How do you gain access?

How do you read it?

I use google for access and read using Opera 9.64 on Win98

As a result, 70-80% of the postings show up.

I've been told to PAY for better access. Yeah, that makes sense. I
should pay for something when the ones gaining, the spammers, should
pay.

So, what to do?

There is another thread here that shows a java script to highlight the
spam so it's very easy to ignore

Eternal-september is free but it does require registration. They seem
to do a pretty good job of eliminating spam.

Jerry

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:59:38 +0000, Ron
wrote:
I'm not sure, but I don't think we are allowed to do that sort of thing
over here.

There's probably a law making just about everything illegal. I can't
make it through a day without breaking at least one or two laws (other
than traffic violations).
http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news7022.html
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/3552/need-a-hitman-illegal-aliens-available-for-hire-thank-ices-myers-torres-for-murder-of-detroit-couple/
(plenty more). If spam is causing such a problem for ISP's,
individuals, companies, governments, etc, it should be fairly easy to
take up a collection and do what's necessary to "set and example". I'm
sure the judge will understand after his mailbox is filled with spam.
I'm not suggesting any new laws or massive enforcement efforts. Just a
high profile extermination of some of the major perpetrators. The
others will surely get the clue and find something else to trash.


Someone killed Russia's top spammer a few years ago:


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=russian+spammer+killed&aq=1&oq=rus sian+spamm&aqi=g3


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

On 10/28/2009 11:42 AM GregS spake thus:

In article , Jeff
Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:48:30 -0400, Rich Webb
wrote:

Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity
(days since last post), messages per month, and number of users
as well as sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that
there may be some set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract
them.

Yep. They also check to see how many people actually click on the
inevitable URL included in the spam message. It's a tiny percentage
of the users, but that's where they allegedly make their money.
The more clicks, the more spam. (Feed the pigeons and what do you
get? More pigeons).

I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.
If everybody who complains did this, there would be no spam from those
guys. Its mostly one company in China.

Wrong.

Complaining like that will have *zero* effect. Spammers just don't give
a **** how many people like you they offend. All they care about is
reaching enough suckers to sell whatever it is they're selling.

It's also a worldwide phenomonon. China has no monopoly on spam.


--
Who needs a junta or a dictatorship when you have a Congress
blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?

- harvested from Usenet

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:20 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Someone killed Russia's top spammer a few years ago:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=russian+spammer+killed&aq=1&oq=rus sian+spamm&aqi=g3

One down. A few more to go, maybe.

The killing was allegedly robbery related, not a retaliation for
spamming:
http://www.moscow-life.com/news/news/7-Russian_police_say_robbers_killed_spammer_Kushnir
That was followed 2 years later by a hoax:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/138383/reported_assassination_of_russian_spammer_a_hoax.h tml

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:20 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Someone killed Russia's top spammer a few years ago:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=russian+spammer+killed&aq=1&oq=rus sian+spamm&aqi=g3

One down. A few more to go, maybe.

The killing was allegedly robbery related, not a retaliation for
spamming:
http://www.moscow-life.com/news/news/7-Russian_police_say_robbers_killed_spammer_Kushnir
That was followed 2 years later by a hoax:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/138383/reported_assassination_of_russian_spammer_a_hoax.h tml


What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.

GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.

**Read** what JeffL said.
You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.

The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.

If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.

That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.
If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).

Its mostly one company in China.

It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.
....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?

It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a ****.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]

You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
..
....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
..
..
[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:31:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?

Well, there are about 845 million Mandarin Chinese speaking people on
the planet, compared to about 341 million English speaking people.
Hindi and Urdu total about 427 million. Arabic has 422 million. I
hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
Why wait? Learn Chinese today.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:

There has always been a language of trade and diplomacy, recently up to
WWII, it was French. After WWII it became the US dialect of English.

That has grown into what is becoming a dialect of English used on the Internet,
which will be the common languge for probably 20 or 30 years or more.

I'm not talking about "leet" (WTF, OMG, etc), but something like "I can haz
cheezburger?"

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

In article , JeffM wrote:
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.

GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.

**Read** what JeffL said.
You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.


There is NO click in my Usenet reader.

All you do is identify your IP.

The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.

If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.

That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.
If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).

Its mostly one company in China.

It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.
....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?

If you would go to their websites, you will find exactly the same format and contact info.
ANd you GET replies, wasting THEIR time.


It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a ****.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]

You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
..
....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
..
..
[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working.


Never complain, and go on with your life as it is.

greg

In article , (GregS) wrote:
In article ,
JeffM wrote:
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.

GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.

**Read** what JeffL said.
You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.


I have found most of the websites are in Ca. based, and while I have tried
contacting people there, its difficult using Whois.
Most try to hide emails.



There is NO click in my Usenet reader.

All you do is identify your IP.

The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.

If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.

That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.
If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).

Its mostly one company in China.

It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.
....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?

If you would go to their websites, you will find exactly the same format and
contact info.
ANd you GET replies, wasting THEIR time.


It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a ****.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]

You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
..
....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
..
..
[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working.


Never complain, and go on with your life as it is.

greg

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:31:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?

Well, there are about 845 million Mandarin Chinese speaking people on
the planet, compared to about 341 million English speaking people.
Hindi and Urdu total about 427 million. Arabic has 422 million. I
hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
Why wait? Learn Chinese today.


Why bother. I'm old enough it doesn't matter. Today's batch was
mostly from Russia, in Cyrillic.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:31:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?

Well, there are about 845 million Mandarin Chinese speaking people on
the planet, compared to about 341 million English speaking people.
Hindi and Urdu total about 427 million. Arabic has 422 million. I
hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
Why wait? Learn Chinese today.


Why bother. I'm old enough it doesn't matter. Today's batch was
mostly from Russia, in Cyrillic.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:39:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote:

There has always been a language of trade and diplomacy, recently up to
WWII, it was French. After WWII it became the US dialect of English.

One of my friends is a doctor originally from Pakistan. He learned
English so that he could emigrate to California. He recently remarked
that he would have done better to learn Spanish.

That has grown into what is becoming a dialect of English used on the Internet,
which will be the common languge for probably 20 or 30 years or more.

I'm not talking about "leet" (WTF, OMG, etc), but something like "I can haz
cheezburger?"

Nope. The language of the future will be SMS-talk and other languages
that consist mostly of abbreviations, acronyms, and pictograms.
Tomorrows principle languages will be what the kids of today are
using:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language
http://www.nationaltextingregistry.us/acronym_listing/
Hopefully, I won't be around to see it happen.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:39:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote:

There has always been a language of trade and diplomacy, recently up to
WWII, it was French. After WWII it became the US dialect of English.

One of my friends is a doctor originally from Pakistan. He learned
English so that he could emigrate to California. He recently remarked
that he would have done better to learn Spanish.

That has grown into what is becoming a dialect of English used on the Internet,
which will be the common languge for probably 20 or 30 years or more.

I'm not talking about "leet" (WTF, OMG, etc), but something like "I can haz
cheezburger?"

Nope. The language of the future will be SMS-talk and other languages
that consist mostly of abbreviations, acronyms, and pictograms.
Tomorrows principle languages will be what the kids of today are
using:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language
http://www.nationaltextingregistry.us/acronym_listing/
Hopefully, I won't be around to see it happen.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter it
will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk missing
any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering just
in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all round
compared to Windows Mail?

Scrim

In article , "Scrim" wrote:
Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter it
will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk missing
any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering just
in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all round
compared to Windows Mail?

Scrim



I started to use Thunderbird, and is a very good newsreader, until
I managed to delete my mail. I went back to NX for usenet.

Having separate things for each is a good thing.

greg

On 10/30/2009 9:38 AM Scrim spake thus:

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering just
in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all round
compared to Windows Mail?

To answer your question, newsreader = news client = program to read
Usenet news = (usually) email program. All the same thing, comes in many
flavors. Mozilla Thunderbird is what I use and I like it, generally
(though it does suffer from some maladies which are due to "open source"
construction). It's free; why not just try it?


--
Who needs a junta or a dictatorship when you have a Congress
blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?

- harvested from Usenet

Scrim wrote:
Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter
it will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk
missing any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering
just in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all
round compared to Windows Mail?

If by "like that one from Mozilla" you are refering to Thunderbird, it
is not a dedicated newsreader. Thunderbird also has provisions for
email, RSS and newsgroups accounts. See the following for further details:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

FWIW, there is also a new release coming out shortly; you can grab the
beta version of it (3.04b) from the following location:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-U...ses/downloads/

Again, FWIW, I've been using in on my linux system since it was released
and am quite please with it. One of the upgrades for this version is
improved filtering capabilities.

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

You might also be interested in the following site for general
information on newsreaders, selecting news servers etc:

http://slyck.com/

On Oct 30, 12:23*pm, propman wrote:
...snip...

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. *Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.


I signed up. But, where do you find the newsgroups?

In article , propman wrote:
Scrim wrote:
Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter
it will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk
missing any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering
just in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all
round compared to Windows Mail?

If by "like that one from Mozilla" you are refering to Thunderbird, it
is not a dedicated newsreader. Thunderbird also has provisions for
email, RSS and newsgroups accounts. See the following for further details:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

FWIW, there is also a new release coming out shortly; you can grab the
beta version of it (3.04b) from the following location:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-U...ses/downloads/

Again, FWIW, I've been using in on my linux system since it was released
and am quite please with it. One of the upgrades for this version is
improved filtering capabilities.

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

You might also be interested in the following site for general
information on newsreaders, selecting news servers etc:

http://slyck.com/





Funny it does not expplain Usenet at all and I don't use usenet to get
news.

Also funny, many of the newsreaders have turned me off, and I
continue to use an outdated News Express, even though it has
bugs with current opperating systems. It also does not archieve
past read posts, nor have spell checking, or index all the groups corectly,
but I love it.

Greg

Robert Macy wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, propman wrote:
..snip...
One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.


I signed up. But, where do you find the newsgroups?

You'll need to install newsreader software like Thunderbird for example:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-U...rbird/all.html

Robert Macy wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, propman wrote:
..snip...
One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.


I signed up. But, where do you find the newsgroups?

You'll need to install newsreader software like Thunderbird for example:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-U...rbird/all.html

GregS wrote:
In article , propman wrote:
Scrim wrote:
Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter
it will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk
missing any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering
just in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all
round compared to Windows Mail?
If by "like that one from Mozilla" you are refering to Thunderbird, it
is not a dedicated newsreader. Thunderbird also has provisions for
email, RSS and newsgroups accounts. See the following for further details:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

FWIW, there is also a new release coming out shortly; you can grab the
beta version of it (3.04b) from the following location:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-U...ses/downloads/

Again, FWIW, I've been using in on my linux system since it was released
and am quite please with it. One of the upgrades for this version is
improved filtering capabilities.

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

You might also be interested in the following site for general
information on newsreaders, selecting news servers etc:

http://slyck.com/




Funny it does not expplain Usenet at all


Guides: VIDEO Usenet Newsgroups | Usenet Newsgroups |

and I don't use usenet to get
news.

AFAIK, if you are receiving this newsgroup (which is part of usenet),
then you are using Usenet. :-)

Might want to take a read of the following:

http://slyck.com/story1870_Usenet_or_the_Newsgroups



Also funny, many of the newsreaders have turned me off, and I
continue to use an outdated News Express, even though it has
bugs with current opperating systems. It also does not archieve
past read posts, nor have spell checking, or index all the groups corectly,
but I love it.

Heh! I hear ya.....just like old timers and Xnews....when they die they
are gonna have to pry it out their hands (figuratively speaking). ;-)

GregS wrote:
In article , propman wrote:
Scrim wrote:
Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!

I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter
it will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk
missing any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).

So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering
just in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all
round compared to Windows Mail?
If by "like that one from Mozilla" you are refering to Thunderbird, it
is not a dedicated newsreader. Thunderbird also has provisions for
email, RSS and newsgroups accounts. See the following for further details:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

FWIW, there is also a new release coming out shortly; you can grab the
beta version of it (3.04b) from the following location:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-U...ses/downloads/

Again, FWIW, I've been using in on my linux system since it was released
and am quite please with it. One of the upgrades for this version is
improved filtering capabilities.

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

You might also be interested in the following site for general
information on newsreaders, selecting news servers etc:

http://slyck.com/




Funny it does not expplain Usenet at all


Guides: VIDEO Usenet Newsgroups | Usenet Newsgroups |

and I don't use usenet to get
news.

AFAIK, if you are receiving this newsgroup (which is part of usenet),
then you are using Usenet. :-)

Might want to take a read of the following:

http://slyck.com/story1870_Usenet_or_the_Newsgroups



Also funny, many of the newsreaders have turned me off, and I
continue to use an outdated News Express, even though it has
bugs with current opperating systems. It also does not archieve
past read posts, nor have spell checking, or index all the groups corectly,
but I love it.

Heh! I hear ya.....just like old timers and Xnews....when they die they
are gonna have to pry it out their hands (figuratively speaking). ;-)

On 10/30/2009 11:50 AM Robert Macy spake thus:

On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, propman wrote:
..snip...

One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.

I signed up. But, where do you find the newsgroups?

You gots to query the news server, which will then serve up a delicious
list of all its newsgroups. How to do that depends on what news client
you use: for Thunderbird, the command is "Manage newsgroup
subscriptions". Other programs may use some variation of "subscribe"
(which is a funny concept; you don't actually subscribe to a newsgroup,
but just add it to your list of newsgroups to choose from).


--
Who needs a junta or a dictatorship when you have a Congress
blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?

- harvested from Usenet