Has anybody seen any construction articles related to HD radio receivers?
From what I've heard, it is more software than hardware but might be
interesting to tinker with.
I found some white papers on the technology on the ibiquity website.
http://www.ibiquity.com/broadcasters...c_white_papers

Oppie

"Oppie" wrote in message
...
Has anybody seen any construction articles related to HD radio receivers?

I doubt you'll see any at all soon. As far as I can tell, the only way to get
the HD radio codec spec out of iBiquity is to sign a licensing agreement with
them, which requires paying royalties if you start building radios and
precludes your releasing the spec to anyone else. Hence, you won't be seeing
any, e.g., GNU Radio projects relating to HD radio any time soon...

"Joel Kolstad" wrote in message
...
"Oppie" wrote in message
...
Has anybody seen any construction articles related to HD radio receivers?

I doubt you'll see any at all soon. As far as I can tell, the only way to
get the HD radio codec spec out of iBiquity is to sign a licensing
agreement with them, which requires paying royalties if you start building
radios and precludes your releasing the spec to anyone else. Hence, you
won't be seeing any, e.g., GNU Radio projects relating to HD radio any
time soon...


If the technology is everything that they are advertizing it is, somebody
will hack it. I haven't listened to one of the HD radios yet but most of the
broadcasters in the metro New York City area are transmitting with it. Right
now, I find it annoying as hell as most of the HD broadcasts make a
background whine in my 2001 Saturn (premium) car radio.
Oppie

Oppie wrote:
"Joel Kolstad" wrote in message
...
"Oppie" wrote in message
...
Has anybody seen any construction articles related to HD radio
receivers?

I doubt you'll see any at all soon. As far as I can tell, the only
way to get the HD radio codec spec out of iBiquity is to sign a
licensing agreement with them, which requires paying royalties if
you start building radios and precludes your releasing the spec to
anyone else. Hence, you won't be seeing any, e.g., GNU Radio
projects relating to HD radio any time soon...


If the technology is everything that they are advertizing it is,
somebody will hack it. I haven't listened to one of the HD radios yet
but most of the broadcasters in the metro New York City area are
transmitting with it. Right now, I find it annoying as hell as most
of the HD broadcasts make a background whine in my 2001 Saturn
(premium) car radio. Oppie

Here's a test. :-) What does HD stand for?

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:16:52 -0400, "Oppie"
wrote:

"Joel Kolstad" wrote in message
...
"Oppie" wrote in message
...
Has anybody seen any construction articles related to HD radio receivers?

I doubt you'll see any at all soon. As far as I can tell, the only way to
get the HD radio codec spec out of iBiquity is to sign a licensing
agreement with them, which requires paying royalties if you start building
radios and precludes your releasing the spec to anyone else. Hence, you
won't be seeing any, e.g., GNU Radio projects relating to HD radio any
time soon...


If the technology is everything that they are advertizing it is, somebody
will hack it. I haven't listened to one of the HD radios yet but most of the
broadcasters in the metro New York City area are transmitting with it. Right
now, I find it annoying as hell as most of the HD broadcasts make a
background whine in my 2001 Saturn (premium) car radio.
Oppie


Isn't "Saturn (premium)" an oxymoron ?:-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

"Oppie" wrote in message
...
If the technology is everything that they are advertizing it is, somebody
will hack it.

The technology looks to be OK, but it's nothing any decent group couldn't cook
up on their own: They use OFDM and some standard CoDecs, the "proprietary"
part is just in how they put together the entire bitstream and multiplex it
amongst the carriers. I agree that -- in all likelihood -- sooner or later
someone will hack it. Heck, if HD Radio *does* catch on, there's a good
chance that a well-funded Chinese engineering group will do so! (Plenty of
money to be made selling cheap radios...)

I haven't listened to one of the HD radios yet but most of the broadcasters
in the metro New York City area are transmitting with it. Right now, I find
it annoying as hell as most of the HD broadcasts make a background whine in
my 2001 Saturn (premium) car radio.

Yeah, the whole idea of, "we'll jus stick this spread signal off in the far
sidebands of the regular FM channel, and it'll just be a bit of noise that
traditional radios won't hear" is predicated upon the notion that those
"traditional" radios will somehow start having much sharper IF filters than
they often do, or that the listener simply won't object to the whine.

---Joel

"Anthony Fremont" wrote in message
...
Here's a test. :-) What does HD stand for?

Hybrid Digital. I the time when it officially "stood for nothing" after the
marketing guys at Ibiquity realized that trying to make it stand for "high
definition" wasn't going to fly even with the best Madison Avenue advertising
campaign behind it.

Joel Kolstad wrote:
"Anthony Fremont" wrote in message
...
Here's a test. :-) What does HD stand for?

Hybrid Digital. I the time when it officially "stood for nothing"
after the marketing guys at Ibiquity realized that trying to make it
stand for "high definition" wasn't going to fly even with the best
Madison Avenue advertising campaign behind it.

Yep, notice how they hype "HD" "HD" "HD", but they never really say Hybrid
Digital....not ever.....not even once...... It's obvious that they hope
that everyone will make the mistake of assuming that it stands for "High
Definition". I think their plan is working. :-(

"Anthony Fremont" wrote in message
...
Yep, notice how they hype "HD" "HD" "HD", but they never really say Hybrid
Digital....not ever.....not even once...... It's obvious that they hope
that everyone will make the mistake of assuming that it stands for "High
Definition".

Yep, I agree. They're in the same league as all the companies that label
their products "USB 2.0" knowing that most people will assume that means
"...high-speed (480Mbps)," when, in actuality, it's just a full-speed (12Mbps)
USB 2.0 product.

Sirius Satellite Radio was originally going to be called "Satellite CD Radio"
or something like that. As with the phrase "CD quality," "HD anything"
has pretty much become a meaningless as well.

It'll be intriguing to see if HD radio takes off... Sirius & XM satellite
radio are doing OK if not great (they're trying to merge themselves at the
moment), so I suppose the upside of HD radio is "free" to compete with
XM/Sirius's "uncensored, nationwide coverage, and many more channels."

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:28:10 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
wrote:

"Anthony Fremont" wrote in message
...
Yep, notice how they hype "HD" "HD" "HD", but they never really say Hybrid
Digital....not ever.....not even once...... It's obvious that they hope
that everyone will make the mistake of assuming that it stands for "High
Definition".

Yep, I agree. They're in the same league as all the companies that label
their products "USB 2.0" knowing that most people will assume that means
"...high-speed (480Mbps)," when, in actuality, it's just a full-speed (12Mbps)
USB 2.0 product.

Sirius Satellite Radio was originally going to be called "Satellite CD Radio"
or something like that. As with the phrase "CD quality," "HD anything"
has pretty much become a meaningless as well.

It'll be intriguing to see if HD radio takes off... Sirius & XM satellite
radio are doing OK if not great (they're trying to merge themselves at the
moment), so I suppose the upside of HD radio is "free" to compete with
XM/Sirius's "uncensored, nationwide coverage, and many more channels."


The big drawback to "HD" is there are many places in Arizona where I
can only receive a Mexican station... except I have Sirius... I love
it... 1950's rock and roll... I'm back in heaven ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
The big drawback to "HD" is there are many places in Arizona where I
can only receive a Mexican station... except I have Sirius... I love
it... 1950's rock and roll... I'm back in heaven ;-)

And here I was worried that given another few decades the '80s station would
be pulled. :-)

The shuffle channel (12) occasionally has some good stuff from the '60s on
it -- older than that doesn't seem to show up often.

In your case, Jim, I imagine the lifetime subscription option for Sirius might
make a lot of sense! (It's something like $499, and while the "lifetime" is
either "yours" or "after 3 receiver swaps, at $75/ea," for some people you
still come out well ahead.)

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:55:41 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
The big drawback to "HD" is there are many places in Arizona where I
can only receive a Mexican station... except I have Sirius... I love
it... 1950's rock and roll... I'm back in heaven ;-)

And here I was worried that given another few decades the '80s station would
be pulled. :-)

The shuffle channel (12) occasionally has some good stuff from the '60s on
it -- older than that doesn't seem to show up often.

In your case, Jim, I imagine the lifetime subscription option for Sirius might
make a lot of sense! (It's something like $499, and while the "lifetime" is
either "yours" or "after 3 receiver swaps, at $75/ea," for some people you
still come out well ahead.)



I'll look into that. I'm about to add Sirius to my pick-em-up
truck... so I can listen to Blue Collar Comedy... you know how us
rednecks are ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:16:52 -0400, "Oppie"
wrote:

SNIP I find it annoying as hell as most of the HD broadcasts make a
background whine in my 2001 Saturn (premium) car radio.
Oppie


Isn't "Saturn (premium)" an oxymoron ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

Now don't get all uppidy on me James. It is a very nice, loaded, LW300 that
was a fleet lease. I got it with 40K on it and two years old for about $10K.
Got almost 100K miles on it now and the only repairs it has needed were
brakes, tires, one O2 sensor and a MAF (surprisingly, only about $100).
Water pump just went and I had the timing belt changed at the same time
since it was due. Stock audio system and it has a pretty good sound.
http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicl...ergap0103.html

Of course, when Saturn got called home the the GM fold, the L series was
cancelled as it competed with other GM lines. The L series was designed in
Germany by Opel. The engine is the same one used in the Cadallac Catera, the
L81, 3Liter V6, 24 valve, DOHC.

Doesn't cary as much as your pick-em-up truck but I do have a class 1 hitch.
grin

Oppie

Oppie wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:16:52 -0400, "Oppie"
wrote:


SNIP I find it annoying as hell as most of the HD broadcasts make a

background whine in my 2001 Saturn (premium) car radio.
Oppie


Isn't "Saturn (premium)" an oxymoron ?:-)

...Jim Thompson


Now don't get all uppidy on me James. It is a very nice, loaded, LW300 that
was a fleet lease. I got it with 40K on it and two years old for about $10K.
Got almost 100K miles on it now and the only repairs it has needed were
brakes, tires, one O2 sensor and a MAF (surprisingly, only about $100).
Water pump just went and I had the timing belt changed at the same time
since it was due. Stock audio system and it has a pretty good sound.
http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicl...ergap0103.html


That's a bit early for a water pump and sensor to go. My Mits is 10
years old now and the Toyota is even older. None of that has ever
happened. Same on my Audi Station that I sold at about 100K Miles. Got a
lot more on it now with the new owner yet nothing broke. Ok, a fender
did because a food service truck driver backed up a bit fast and ka-crunch.


Of course, when Saturn got called home the the GM fold, the L series was
cancelled as it competed with other GM lines. The L series was designed in
Germany by Opel. The engine is the same one used in the Cadallac Catera, the
L81, 3Liter V6, 24 valve, DOHC.

Doesn't cary as much as your pick-em-up truck but I do have a class 1 hitch.
grin


I had a L300 rental once. Nice ride. Except that the kind of tires on it
was a bit iffy and one promptly blew out on me :-(

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:13:44 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

Joel Kolstad wrote:
"Anthony Fremont" wrote in message
...
Here's a test. :-) What does HD stand for?

Hybrid Digital. I the time when it officially "stood for nothing"
after the marketing guys at Ibiquity realized that trying to make it
stand for "high definition" wasn't going to fly even with the best
Madison Avenue advertising campaign behind it.

Yep, notice how they hype "HD" "HD" "HD", but they never really say Hybrid
Digital....not ever.....not even once...... It's obvious that they hope
that everyone will make the mistake of assuming that it stands for "High
Definition". I think their plan is working. :-(

Well, it DOES stand for true 20 - 20kHz with near zero baseline
noise, which FM never did.

That is enough to make it grow alone.

It is already being broadcast, so ther must already be receivers for
it.

Think "classical lover".

http://www.king.org/hdradio/

It is going to take off.

http://www.hd-radio-home.com/HD-radio-stations.html

Likely beat XM radio all to hell as it is NOT a ****ing subscription
based load of CRAP.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:28:10 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
Gave us:

. Sirius & XM satellite
radio are doing OK if not great (they're trying to merge themselves at the
moment), so I suppose the upside of HD radio is "free" to compete with
XM/Sirius's "uncensored, nationwide coverage, and many more channels."



I bet they both take a dump, and FREE HD Radio will be the reason.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
Gave us:

I'll look into that. I'm about to add Sirius to my pick-em-up
truck... so I can listen to Blue Collar Comedy... you know how us
rednecks are ;-)


The term "Big Dope" comes to mind.

It's probably a ****ing Ford too!

Bwuahahahaha!

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
Gave us:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:55:41 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
The big drawback to "HD" is there are many places in Arizona where I
can only receive a Mexican station... except I have Sirius... I love
it... 1950's rock and roll... I'm back in heaven ;-)

And here I was worried that given another few decades the '80s station would
be pulled. :-)

The shuffle channel (12) occasionally has some good stuff from the '60s on
it -- older than that doesn't seem to show up often.

In your case, Jim, I imagine the lifetime subscription option for Sirius might
make a lot of sense! (It's something like $499, and while the "lifetime" is
either "yours" or "after 3 receiver swaps, at $75/ea," for some people you
still come out well ahead.)



I'll look into that. I'm about to add Sirius to my pick-em-up
truck... so I can listen to Blue Collar Comedy... you know how us
rednecks are ;-)


http://shop3.outpost.com/product/476...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/508...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

"MassiveProng" wrote in message
...
I bet they both take a dump, and FREE HD Radio will be the reason.

Did you miss the part where many people -- Jim and myself included -- live in
areas of the country where the only local radio stations are trash that we're
not interested in listening to? And in general these stations probably won't
even switch over to HD radio anytime soon?

I could believe that, for people living in decent-sized cities, some people
will drop their satellite radio subscriptions in favor of HD radio.

"Joel Kolstad" wrote in message
...
snip
I could believe that, for people living in decent-sized cities, some
people will drop their satellite radio subscriptions in favor of HD radio.

But there goes the subscription base which ultimately impacts the viability
of satellite radio. Sirius and XM are attempting to merge and pool resources
in the face of a potential errosion of subscribers.
Oppie

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:26:00 -0400, "Oppie"
wrote:


"Joel Kolstad" wrote in message
...
snip
I could believe that, for people living in decent-sized cities, some
people will drop their satellite radio subscriptions in favor of HD radio.

But there goes the subscription base which ultimately impacts the viability
of satellite radio. Sirius and XM are attempting to merge and pool resources
in the face of a potential errosion of subscribers.
Oppie


Maybe Sirius/XM should put transmitters on cell-phone towers? There's
even cell-phone service between here and Yuma now.

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

"Oppie" wrote in message
...
But there goes the subscription base which ultimately impacts the viability
of satellite radio. Sirius and XM are attempting to merge and pool resources
in the face of a potential errosion of subscribers.

I think both Sirius and XM are run by MBAs who are so addicted to "growth at
all costs" that they engage in incredibly risky ventures, such as Sirius
paying Howard Stern $500 MILLION for a 5 year deal (although kudos to Stern's
lawyer or whoever brokered that deal for *him*!). Sirius and XM both have
large enough bases it's almost a given that, if one or the other were to
declare bankruptcy, *someone* would purchase them and keep the system
running -- even if it meant losing a bunch of the high-dollar "big talent"
such as Stren and returning to the traditional (and cheap!) format of "lots of
music, news, sports, and comedy -- when it's cheap." :-) Of course going
bankrupt is attractive to no one, so instead you see XM and Sirius trying to
merge themselves whereby they can both still come out "ahead"... from a
certain point of view.

I mean... I think subscriber-based satellite radio is a 100% solid business
proposition, and will be for at least the next decade or so... it's just the
names of the players involved that may change over time.

Joel Kolstad wrote:

"Oppie" wrote in message
...
But there goes the subscription base which ultimately impacts the viability
of satellite radio. Sirius and XM are attempting to merge and pool resources
in the face of a potential errosion of subscribers.

I think both Sirius and XM are run by MBAs who are so addicted to "growth at
all costs" that they engage in incredibly risky ventures, such as Sirius
paying Howard Stern $500 MILLION for a 5 year deal


That is the big that reason I won't subscribe. If they can throw
money away like that, they don't need any more from me. I get a nice
country music stream online for free. I'm home over 95% of the time
because of my health, and I didn't have to buy a receiver, or set up a
subscription.

Personally, I don't think Howard Stern's juvenile crap is worth a
dollar a decade, although he sounds like he'd be Passive DingDong's
hero.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:00:12 -0700, Jim Thompson
Gave us:

Maybe Sirius/XM should put transmitters on cell-phone towers? There's
even cell-phone service between here and Yuma now.


HD Radio streams will likely make their way into broadband services
first. I'm all for being able to pick nearly ANY station across the
country, and that station relying on advert revenue, instead of some
retarded subscriber "service".

Makes my ass hurt just thinking about it.

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:17:05 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
Gave us:


I think both Sirius and XM are run by MBAs who are so addicted to "growth at
all costs" that they engage in incredibly risky ventures, such as Sirius
paying Howard Stern $500 MILLION for a 5 year deal (although kudos to Stern's
lawyer or whoever brokered that deal for *him*!

I'll bet he never sees it, and it WAS and IS contingent on
subscriber growth numbers, which fell on their face despite the
addition of the lame ****.

He probably hasn't even seen 10M of it yet, and likely won't see
much more than that, since it IS taking a turn downward.

He'll certainly never see the 500M because the contingency was
growth over the first three years which vaporized.

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:17:05 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
Gave us:

even if it meant losing a bunch of the high-dollar "big talent"
such as Stren


His talent is NOT "big", and his appeal is evaporating as fast as the
500M he never got.

"MassiveProng" wrote in message
...
HD Radio streams will likely make their way into broadband services
first. I'm all for being able to pick nearly ANY station across the
country, and that station relying on advert revenue, instead of some
retarded subscriber "service".

You're still paying for your Internet connection, no?

Yeah, yeah, I know, you already had that, but still...

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:17:05 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
Gave us:


I mean... I think subscriber-based satellite radio is a 100% solid business
proposition, and will be for at least the next decade or so... it's just the
names of the players involved that may change over time.


Actually, it will take a dump because of both HD radio, and broadband
access to nationwide net streaming stations, of which their are
hundreds. I'd rather hear an ad every ten minutes and get it free,
than PAY for it and PAY... and PAY. It really is lame.

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:37:05 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
Gave us:


Personally, I don't think Howard Stern's juvenile crap is worth a
dollar a decade, although he sounds like he'd be Passive DingDong's
hero.


Nice wise crack, you fat ****tard.

I don't like the retarded **** at all, dip****. He reminds me too
much of twits like you.

I hope you die next month, jackass.

MassiveProng wrote:

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:37:05 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
Gave us:


Personally, I don't think Howard Stern's juvenile crap is worth a
dollar a decade, although he sounds like he'd be Passive DingDong's
hero.

Nice wise crack, you fat ****tard.

I don't like the retarded **** at all, dip****. He reminds me too
much of twits like you.


Come on, DingDong, its obvious that you were both scraped from the
same mold.


I hope you die next month, jackass.


The Passive DingDong wants me to die? Get in line Bozo. Your
chances of dying are better than mine, with that mouth of yours.
Wherever you are, you'll **** off the wrong person some day and you'll
get a new nym for free. Your tombstone will read: "Here lies a totally
useless pile of ****. He opened his big mouth once too often." Of
course your family will need an EPA permit to put you in one of those
toxic waste barrels before you're carted of to the toxic waste dump.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:17:37 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
Gave us:


The Passive DingDong wants me to die?

Yes. You are cursed.

Get in line Bozo.

I don't even need to lift a finger, retard.

Your
chances of dying are better than mine, with that mouth of yours.

Not even close. Grow the **** up, dip****.

MassiveProng wrote:

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:17:37 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
Gave us:


The Passive DingDong wants me to die?

Yes. You are cursed.

Get in line Bozo.

I don't even need to lift a finger, retard.

Your
chances of dying are better than mine, with that mouth of yours.

Not even close. Grow the **** up, dip****.


Yawn.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:55:41 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
The big drawback to "HD" is there are many places in Arizona where I
can only receive a Mexican station... except I have Sirius... I love
it... 1950's rock and roll... I'm back in heaven ;-)

And here I was worried that given another few decades the '80s station
would
be pulled. :-)

The shuffle channel (12) occasionally has some good stuff from the '60s on
it -- older than that doesn't seem to show up often.

In your case, Jim, I imagine the lifetime subscription option for Sirius
might
make a lot of sense! (It's something like $499, and while the "lifetime"
is
either "yours" or "after 3 receiver swaps, at $75/ea," for some people you
still come out well ahead.)



I'll look into that. I'm about to add Sirius to my pick-em-up
truck... so I can listen to Blue Collar Comedy... you know how us
rednecks are ;-)


What no Paul Harvey?

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:41:01 GMT, "Martin Riddle"
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:55:41 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
The big drawback to "HD" is there are many places in Arizona where I
can only receive a Mexican station... except I have Sirius... I love
it... 1950's rock and roll... I'm back in heaven ;-)

And here I was worried that given another few decades the '80s station
would
be pulled. :-)

The shuffle channel (12) occasionally has some good stuff from the '60s on
it -- older than that doesn't seem to show up often.

In your case, Jim, I imagine the lifetime subscription option for Sirius
might
make a lot of sense! (It's something like $499, and while the "lifetime"
is
either "yours" or "after 3 receiver swaps, at $75/ea," for some people you
still come out well ahead.)



I'll look into that. I'm about to add Sirius to my pick-em-up
truck... so I can listen to Blue Collar Comedy... you know how us
rednecks are ;-)


What no Paul Harvey?




If I want Paul harvey I'll just drive up to Carefree and say, "Hi".

Actually I'll be heading up that way this weekend... the wife has an
urge for deep-fried chilies at "Satisfied Frog" ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message news
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:41:01 GMT, "Martin Riddle"
wrote:


What no Paul Harvey?




If I want Paul harvey I'll just drive up to Carefree and say, "Hi".

Actually I'll be heading up that way this weekend... the wife has an
urge for deep-fried chilies at "Satisfied Frog" ;-)


Okay, What is a Carefree????

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:26:03 GMT, "Lord Garth"
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:41:01 GMT, "Martin Riddle"
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What no Paul Harvey?




If I want Paul harvey I'll just drive up to Carefree and say, "Hi".

Actually I'll be heading up that way this weekend... the wife has an
urge for deep-fried chilies at "Satisfied Frog" ;-)


Okay, What is a Carefree????


A town.

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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:26:03 GMT, "Lord Garth"
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If I want Paul harvey I'll just drive up to Carefree and say, "Hi".

Actually I'll be heading up that way this weekend... the wife has an
urge for deep-fried chilies at "Satisfied Frog" ;-)


Okay, What is a Carefree????


A town.


Thanks...it must be tiny! Does Paul broadcast from there?

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:50:24 GMT, "Lord Garth"
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:26:03 GMT, "Lord Garth"
wrote:

If I want Paul harvey I'll just drive up to Carefree and say, "Hi".

Actually I'll be heading up that way this weekend... the wife has an
urge for deep-fried chilies at "Satisfied Frog" ;-)


Okay, What is a Carefree????


A town.


Thanks...it must be tiny! Does Paul broadcast from there?


Yep, from his home.

(You can't find Carefree on the map? It's on the north edge of
Phoenix :-)

...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:41:01 GMT, "Martin Riddle"
wrote:


What no Paul Harvey?




If I want Paul harvey I'll just drive up to Carefree and say, "Hi".

Actually I'll be heading up that way this weekend... the wife has an
urge for deep-fried chilies at "Satisfied Frog" ;-)


Okay, What is a Carefree????


A maxi-pad but that's not important here...

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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:50:24 GMT, "Lord Garth"
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(You can't find Carefree on the map? It's on the north edge of
Phoenix :-)


Sorry Jim, I didn't try.

I've been installing 23 security cameras for a new jewelry store and I am
worn out. Only 3 runs remaining for Friday.