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The Soft Wreck is here -- HOORAH ! !
We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now,
woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. Thank you for your support. Vito Kuhn and Susan Welchel |
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In article , Susan
Welchel wrote: The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. That remains to be seen. |
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Duh!
Say what? Have fun! "Susan Welchel" wrote in message om... We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. Thank you for your support. Vito Kuhn and Susan Welchel |
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I think that all of the 'stool' threads lately finally pushed them over the
edge. ;-) P. "Puff Griffis" wrote in message ... Wow nothing like a public gloat. Congrats on your efforts. You wanted out of the wreck so leave already. Puff "Susan Welchel" wrote in message om... We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, 'snip' |
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Wow nothing like a public gloat. Congrats on your efforts. You wanted =
out of the wreck so leave already. Puff "Susan Welchel" wrote in message = om... We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. =20 Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. =20 Thank you for your support. =20 Vito Kuhn and Susan Welchel |
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patrick conroy wrote in
: Congratulations on showing your true colors. Good job on chasing off one prospective participant! You'll be a helluva moderator. The group wil not be moderated. Did you read the proposal? -- Bill |
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"Susan Welchel" babbled We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. If you are so offended by politics, filth and drivel, you obviously don't watch the news, read newpapers or live in the real world. And rec.woodworking is one of the MELLOWIST newsgroups I have seen on usenet. And if you think that people are here for "politics, filth and drivel", you are mentally retarded. I wonder how much real talent is going over to the censored site. We have freedom of speech in this country and your new ng is apparently designed to take that away in terms of woodworking discussions. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. Decent woodworking folks?? Does that mean I have to put on clothes to use the censored newsgroup? I can't wear my fishnet stockings and bustier? |
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"Susan Welchel" wrote in message om... We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. Sounds boring |
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On 22 Oct 2004 07:51:17 -0700, Susan Welchel wrote:
We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and Where exactly have you people been when we were asking you to justify what you were proposing? Interesting list of "people" voting yes on your group, by the way. Odd how there are so many unfamiliar and clearly bogus names. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. If you don't participate in the conversation _here_, you deserve no support. Thank you for your support. Show that you deserve it. Talk about it _here_. |
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Now,
woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. Yawn. There's other really good woodworking forums on the web, and the nice thing about them is they don't have your uppity holier than thou attitude. Here's hoping that once you have your forum up and running you'll stop being a hypocrite and will no longer spam this forum with off topic posts. |
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"mp" wrote in :
Here's hoping that once you have your forum up and running you'll stop being a hypocrite and will no longer spam this forum with off topic posts. I would say that an announcement to propose new woodworking groups and reorganize the wreck is on topic here. She could have spared us the gloat, however. -- Bill |
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Susan Welchel peered through the cracked lid of her coffin and said:
We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. Your hatred for this group and its participants couldn't be more clear. Why are you still here? The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. As an obviously "indecent folk", I won't be joining your little morality parade. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. I hope I'm not the only one around here who finds the overwhelming success of your proposal somewhat suspect. A look at the email addresses on the voting list makes one wonder. I was really taken back by the part of your proposal that allows cross posts to any newsgroup EXCEPT rec.ww. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. As one who believed that you were merely trying to open a new forum, one more suited to your belief system, I opted to stay out of the fracas and just let you do your thing. The wording of your proposal, your arrogant post here, and your stated plan to further divide the woodworking online community to suit your tastes shows me that your intentions are more malicious than not. Your interest doesn't seem to be in woodworking, but in imposing your version of morality on others. Thank you for your support. You do not have it. In fact, I must now actively oppose your future divisive plans. You are arrogant and obnoxious, go back to church and pray for forgiveness. Vito Kuhn and Susan Welchel -- New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule. |
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Here's hoping that once you have your forum up and running you'll stop
being a hypocrite and will no longer spam this forum with off topic posts. I would say that an announcement to propose new woodworking groups and reorganize the wreck is on topic here. She could have spared us the gloat, however. I wonder if the new (and most likely boring) forum will consider proposals to create new woodworking groups with more filth and drivel to be on-topic posts? |
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On 22 Oct 2004 16:11:34 GMT, Woodchuck Bill wrote:
patrick conroy wrote in : Congratulations on showing your true colors. Good job on chasing off one prospective participant! You'll be a helluva moderator. The group wil not be moderated. Did you read the proposal? Then why did OP say this: "The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages ..."? |
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Mangler, I like your comments (and your nom de bois). Is it
possible/probable that (1) with the new practice of some web-based forums "appropriating" NG content, (2) the OP's mention of starting some "for sale" and commercial service NGs, and (3) the ability of the OPs to set up a forum that "appropriates" the content of this new NG, that: This is all the start of a move to their establishing a website with ads, etc -- i.e., a commercial venture? All just idle BS, of course. Where's my beer? Oh, beer wench? Where the &%$# is that unmoderated she-devil? -- Igor [sorry for the top posting] On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:14:21 -0400, WoodMangler wrote: Susan Welchel peered through the cracked lid of her coffin and said: We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. Your hatred for this group and its participants couldn't be more clear. Why are you still here? The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. As an obviously "indecent folk", I won't be joining your little morality parade. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. I hope I'm not the only one around here who finds the overwhelming success of your proposal somewhat suspect. A look at the email addresses on the voting list makes one wonder. I was really taken back by the part of your proposal that allows cross posts to any newsgroup EXCEPT rec.ww. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. As one who believed that you were merely trying to open a new forum, one more suited to your belief system, I opted to stay out of the fracas and just let you do your thing. The wording of your proposal, your arrogant post here, and your stated plan to further divide the woodworking online community to suit your tastes shows me that your intentions are more malicious than not. Your interest doesn't seem to be in woodworking, but in imposing your version of morality on others. Thank you for your support. You do not have it. In fact, I must now actively oppose your future divisive plans. You are arrogant and obnoxious, go back to church and pray for forgiveness. Vito Kuhn and Susan Welchel |
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igor wrote in
: The group wil not be moderated. Did you read the proposal? Then why did OP say this: "The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages ..."? The NAN moderation team is Russ Allbery (big boss) and Todd McComb (first mate). They create all new newsgroups for the Big-8 hierarchy, for both moderated and unmoderated groups. The "soft wreck" was original proposed as a moderated group, but Vito couldn't handle the flamage and he changed the status to unmoderated. -- Bill |
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igor wrote in
: Is it possible/probable that (1) with the new practice of some web-based forums "appropriating" NG content, (2) the OP's mention of starting some "for sale" and commercial service NGs, and (3) the ability of the OPs to set up a forum that "appropriates" the content of this new NG, that: This is all the start of a move to their establishing a website with ads, etc -- i.e., a commercial venture? I don't think so. They probably want to ban ads in the wreck and isolate those posts in a marketplace group, which is pretty common in reorganizations. If they aren't just blowing smoke, we shall soon find out. I'm curious what other woodworking groups they plan to propose. -- Bill |
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Dave Balderstone wrote in
tone.ca: The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. That remains to be seen. The only person with the power to veto a result and change the outcome is Russ Allbery. He is away on vacation for some weeks, and he expressed that he wants nothing to do with Usenet during that time. Chances are that the result will stand and the control message for the new group will be issued by Todd in about four days. Timing is on Vito's side here. -- Bill |
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moderated and unmoderated groups. The "soft wreck" was original proposed as a moderated group, but Vito couldn't handle the flamage and he changed the status to unmoderated. Then what is the point of it? |
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:29:57 GMT, "toller" wrote:
Then what is the point of it? Ask the Strombolis |
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Howdy!
In article , Susan Welchel wrote: We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. Thank you for your support. Ummm...right. Where were you when serious questions were posed in news.groups? You simply blew them off. You never did answer the really key question: "What makes rec.woodworking.bowdlerized distinct from rec.woodworking?" You drew no functional line, nor did you infer one from the types of posts that appear in rec.woodworking. You grossly overstate the "problem" in the wreck. You give the appearance of not acting in good faith. You dismiss your critics with an airy wave of the hands. No. This was a travesty. Vito Kuhn and Susan Welchel ....partners in crime... yours, Michael -- Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly | White Wolf and the Phoenix Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff | http://www.radix.net/~herveus/wwap/ |
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Susan Welchel gloats:
We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. Don't drool on yourself, sweetie. The group is unmoderated according to its charter, so once it's created, your 'team' is out of work. Considering the number of nasty trolls who voted for the group, I don't envy the people who have to set up filters. Charlie Self "When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary." Thomas Paine |
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bye, bye
Len "Susan Welchel" wrote in message om... We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. Thank you for your support. Vito Kuhn and Susan Welchel |
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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
news:Kmaed.514231$8_6.489087@attbi_s04... Decent woodworking folks?? Does that mean I have to put on clothes to use the censored newsgroup? I can't wear my fishnet stockings and bustier? It's OK here, but PLEAAASE not in ABPW. |
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:19:12 -0400, J T wrote:
Fri, Oct 22, 2004, 4:59pm (EDT+4) (Dave*Hinz) says: Show that you deserve it. Talk about it _here_. Oh crap no, not here, we don't deserve that. Well, my point is, she should have the balls (wups, I mean "nerve" I guess) to talk _with_ us about what our alleged problems are, instead of sending a pronouncement from on high as to how she is going to save us from ourselves or whatever. |
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:00:36 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:29:57 GMT, "toller" wrote: Then what is the point of it? Ask the Strombolis And Charlie Delf. Barry |
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On 22 Oct 2004 17:41:18 GMT, Woodchuck Bill
wrote: I don't think so. They probably want to ban ads in the wreck and isolate those posts in a marketplace group, which is pretty common in reorganizations That's actually not such a bad idea. It's been done in the rec.bicycling.* groups, and it works well. If you're looking to buy or sell something, there's plenty of ads there. Barry |
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Owen Lowe responds:
(Susan Welchel) wrote: All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. I, for one, enjoy a little tenon in mortise action; as do I enjoy: screwing my wood; nailing various and sundry items; doning a Blue Velvet like gas mask when fuming; plunging my bit; musing at the antics of shop pussies; and generally just getting some good old testosterone flowing. Guess I'm just one of the indecent folks. Here's to us! Much, much better to be indecent than to be a moralistic dip**** who wants to force everyone to live up to his or her standards. Charlie Self "When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary." Thomas Paine |
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On 22 Oct 2004 20:39:33 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:19:12 -0400, J T wrote: Fri, Oct 22, 2004, 4:59pm (EDT+4) (Dave*Hinz) says: Show that you deserve it. Talk about it _here_. Oh crap no, not here, we don't deserve that. Well, my point is, she should have the balls (wups, I mean "nerve" I guess) to talk _with_ us about what our alleged problems are, instead of sending a pronouncement from on high as to how she is going to save us from ourselves or whatever. no, she should have the common decency to take her holier than thou attitude and her misconceptions about how usenet works away somewhere far far away. |
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Puff,
I 'tuned in' late on this thread, so bear with me. Maybe it's already been mentioned or questioned . . . is this the same Susan Welchel who played a snooty, teen-aged, privet school, girl on a long ago sitcom? After that '15 minutes of fame' never heard of her again {although her co-stars have all been working}until a 2-minute spot on 'Good Morning America', several weeks ago. She was expounding upon her 'technique' of disciplining children by putting HOT SAUCE {straight Tabasco, etc}directly on their tongues. There was no mention of her woodworking or mechanical abilities. The bottom line . . . if she doesn't like it 'here', and has no interest in the purpose of the 'Group' or it's subject matter . . . WHAT is she DOING here ?? Regards, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop "Puff Griffis" wrote in message ... Wow nothing like a public gloat. Congrats on your efforts. You wanted out of the wreck so leave already. Puff "Susan Welchel" wrote in message om... We would like to thank everyone for making this happen. Now, woodworkers with respectable values will have an on-topic forum, and they will not be stuck with the politics, filth, and drivel that are associated with rec.woodworking. The NAN moderation team will create the new group, rec.woodworking.all-ages, in about one week. All decent woodworking folk should request the new group from the administrator of their NSP. Given the overwhelming success of the proposal, we have decided that we will be submitting another proposal aimed at improving the woodworking community in the near future. This will be a multi-group reorganization proposal, which will include a separate marketplace group for selling, auctioning, and announcing personal or commercial goods and services related to woodworking. If anyone is interested in joining the proponent team for the new proposal, please e-mail Vito Kuhn or Susan Welchel for consideration. Thank you for your support. Vito Kuhn and Susan Welchel |
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On 22 Oct 2004 16:11:34 GMT, Woodchuck Bill
wrote: patrick conroy wrote in : The group wil not be moderated. Did you read the proposal? Admittedly no - she irked me so with her insults that I chose to spit venom rather than continue. Up until that post, I think I posted my half-hearted support, or at worst, indifference to her newsgroup. JAMZ that's all -- Just Another Misguided Zealot I'll retract my "cram it" and instead (a) offer her my pity and (b) say a prayer for her that she gets the help she needs. |
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