On 7/14/2011 11:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, wrote:

On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow"
wrote,

HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them,
other than exclusive labels.

Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places
besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard
models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

There are Ryobi factory outlets but I believe those are the only places, at
least in the US, where their tools are sold outside HD.

That is true but IIRC they only offer re-manufactured.

On 7/15/2011 6:31 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 7/14/11 11:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, wrote:
On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike
wrote,

HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for
them, other than exclusive labels.

Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of
places besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they
are all standard models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

There are Ryobi factory outlets but I believe those are the only
places, at least in the US, where their tools are sold outside HD.

I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD
and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs
in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere
but it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with
them now.

It wasn't a "silly" question at all.

You are correct - it was a foolish answer - because it was incorrect. I
stand corrected, and now I'm going over to the corner for 10 minutes...


Your answer would have been right several years back. Back in 1989 I
purchased a Ryobi AP10 planer from my mom and pop tool dealer.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow"
wrote,

HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them,
other than exclusive labels.

Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places
besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard
models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

They're also available through Amazon, eBay, etc.
HD is probably the largest seller now, though.

--
Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace.
-- Robert J. Sawyer

On 7/15/2011 8:24 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500,
wrote:

On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow"
wrote,

HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them,
other than exclusive labels.

Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places
besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard
models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

They're also available through Amazon, eBay, etc.
HD is probably the largest seller now, though.

--
Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace.
-- Robert J. Sawyer


I saw the ones through Amazon, they all routed back to HD as the seller.
Ebay IMHO would be like finding a Rypbi tool at a garage sale.

On 7/15/11 8:24 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places
besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard
models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

They're also available through Amazon, eBay, etc.
HD is probably the largest seller now, though.


Anything is available though ebay, Larry.
The Amazon stuff is likely new-old-stock or the re-manufactured stuff.
The answer to the question, are they an exclusive label, without the
typical newsgroup war of semantics, is yes, they are exclusive to HD.



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On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:42:26 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 7/15/11 8:24 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places
besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard
models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

They're also available through Amazon, eBay, etc.
HD is probably the largest seller now, though.


Anything is available though ebay, Larry.

I know. wink


The Amazon stuff is likely new-old-stock or the re-manufactured stuff.

I guess Leon looked deeper and they were all HD sales via Amazon.


The answer to the question, are they an exclusive label, without the
typical newsgroup war of semantics, is yes, they are exclusive to HD.

I had to think back. Yeah, I ordered my first 14.4v kit from HD, too.
Interesting. They're inexpensive but decent tools. I had an old Skil
9.6v drill motor before the Ryobi and the Ry was lights years ahead.
I also had two old B&D 3/8" VSRs with 1/2" chucks on them that, at
that time, had refused to die. Both have died smoky deaths since.


--
Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace.
-- Robert J. Sawyer

On 7/15/11 12:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
I had to think back. Yeah, I ordered my first 14.4v kit from HD, too.
Interesting. They're inexpensive but decent tools. I had an old Skil
9.6v drill motor before the Ryobi and the Ry was lights years ahead.
I also had two old B&D 3/8" VSRs with 1/2" chucks on them that, at
that time, had refused to die. Both have died smoky deaths since.


I consider some stuff I buy to be either disposable or on long term
lease. :-)

The last uber-cheap B&D FireStorm 18v combo package I bought is still
kicking and I have knocked the ****e out of them. I don't expect them to
last 15 years or more like my DeWalt circ saw, but hey. I have a Skil
corded hammer saw that I simply cannot destroy. It's been left out in
the rain... run for more than 24hrs at a time as a water pump... been
tossed off the top off wall onto the subfloor deck, tossed off a near
30' roof peak into the dirt/grass... it the zombie of power-tools.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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On Jul 15, 2:30*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/15/11 12:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I had to think back. Yeah, I ordered my first 14.4v kit from HD, too.
Interesting. *They're inexpensive but decent tools. I had an old Skil
9.6v drill motor before the Ryobi and the Ry was lights years ahead.
I also had two old B&D 3/8" VSRs with 1/2" chucks on them that, at
that time, had refused to die. Both have died smoky deaths since.

I consider some stuff I buy to be either disposable or on long term
lease. *:-)

The last uber-cheap B&D FireStorm 18v combo package I bought is still
kicking and I have knocked the ****e out of them. *I don't expect them to
last 15 years or more like my DeWalt circ saw, but hey. *I have a Skil
corded hammer saw that I simply cannot destroy. *It's been left out in
the rain... run for more than 24hrs at a time as a water pump... been
tossed off the top off wall onto the subfloor deck, tossed off a near
30' roof peak into the dirt/grass... it the zombie of power-tools.


I once saw a cheap Black & Decker circular saw fall from the top of 8
levels of scaffolding, hitting every crossbar and diagonal on the way
down just crashing and banging, then landing on a concrete slab in a
pile of sandy mud just to be rolled over by a Cat D-9...and after all
that, it was still a useless piece of ****.

On 7/15/11 4:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 15, 2:30 pm, wrote:
On 7/15/11 12:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I had to think back. Yeah, I ordered my first 14.4v kit from HD, too.
Interesting. They're inexpensive but decent tools. I had an old Skil
9.6v drill motor before the Ryobi and the Ry was lights years ahead.
I also had two old B&D 3/8" VSRs with 1/2" chucks on them that, at
that time, had refused to die. Both have died smoky deaths since.

I consider some stuff I buy to be either disposable or on long term
lease. :-)

The last uber-cheap B&D FireStorm 18v combo package I bought is still
kicking and I have knocked the ****e out of them. I don't expect them to
last 15 years or more like my DeWalt circ saw, but hey. I have a Skil
corded hammer saw that I simply cannot destroy. It's been left out in
the rain... run for more than 24hrs at a time as a water pump... been
tossed off the top off wall onto the subfloor deck, tossed off a near
30' roof peak into the dirt/grass... it the zombie of power-tools.


I once saw a cheap Black& Decker circular saw fall from the top of 8
levels of scaffolding, hitting every crossbar and diagonal on the way
down just crashing and banging, then landing on a concrete slab in a
pile of sandy mud just to be rolled over by a Cat D-9...and after all
that, it was still a useless piece of ****.


That was beautiful.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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On 7/15/2011 5:05 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/15/11 4:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:

I once saw a cheap Black& Decker circular saw fall from the top of 8
levels of scaffolding, hitting every crossbar and diagonal on the way
down just crashing and banging, then landing on a concrete slab in a
pile of sandy mud just to be rolled over by a Cat D-9...and after all
that, it was still a useless piece of ****.


That was beautiful.

For some reason I started reading the message you replied to from the
bottom, without seeing who you were replying to. My bet, sight unseen
and before I scrolled up, was either Rob, or Ed P.

Bingo ... a superb judge of character, or what!?

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:00:43 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

On 7/14/11 11:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, wrote:

On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow"
wrote,

HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them,
other than exclusive labels.

Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places
besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard
models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

There are Ryobi factory outlets but I believe those are the only places, at
least in the US, where their tools are sold outside HD.

I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD
and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs
in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere but
it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with them
now.

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.

It wasn't a "silly" question at all.

Who said it was?

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:13:51 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 7/15/2011 6:31 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 7/14/11 11:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, wrote:
On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike
wrote,

HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for
them, other than exclusive labels.

Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of
places besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they
are all standard models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

There are Ryobi factory outlets but I believe those are the only
places, at least in the US, where their tools are sold outside HD.

I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD
and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs
in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere
but it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with
them now.

It wasn't a "silly" question at all.

You are correct - it was a foolish answer - because it was incorrect. I
stand corrected, and now I'm going over to the corner for 10 minutes...


Your answer would have been right several years back. Back in 1989 I
purchased a Ryobi AP10 planer from my mom and pop tool dealer.

Somewhere back about there, I bought a 7 1/4" circular saw (almost junk) from
a local tools store and an RE-600 router (not junk) mail-order from Northern
Tools.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:10:54 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 7/14/2011 11:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, wrote:

On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow"
wrote,

HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them,
other than exclusive labels.

Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"?

No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places
besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard
models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold.


Sure about that?
http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot

There are Ryobi factory outlets but I believe those are the only places, at
least in the US, where their tools are sold outside HD.

That is true but IIRC they only offer re-manufactured.

Nope. Both new and re-furb.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:52:24 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

On Jul 15, 2:30*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/15/11 12:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I had to think back. Yeah, I ordered my first 14.4v kit from HD, too.
Interesting. *They're inexpensive but decent tools. I had an old Skil
9.6v drill motor before the Ryobi and the Ry was lights years ahead.
I also had two old B&D 3/8" VSRs with 1/2" chucks on them that, at
that time, had refused to die. Both have died smoky deaths since.

I consider some stuff I buy to be either disposable or on long term
lease. *:-)

The last uber-cheap B&D FireStorm 18v combo package I bought is still
kicking and I have knocked the ****e out of them. *I don't expect them to
last 15 years or more like my DeWalt circ saw, but hey. *I have a Skil
corded hammer saw that I simply cannot destroy. *It's been left out in
the rain... run for more than 24hrs at a time as a water pump... been
tossed off the top off wall onto the subfloor deck, tossed off a near
30' roof peak into the dirt/grass... it the zombie of power-tools.


I once saw a cheap Black & Decker circular saw fall from the top of 8
levels of scaffolding, hitting every crossbar and diagonal on the way
down just crashing and banging, then landing on a concrete slab in a
pile of sandy mud just to be rolled over by a Cat D-9...and after all
that, it was still a useless piece of ****.

So would the Festeringtool have been. So THERE, Mr. Smartypants!

--
Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace.
-- Robert J. Sawyer

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:30:01 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 7/15/11 12:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
I had to think back. Yeah, I ordered my first 14.4v kit from HD, too.
Interesting. They're inexpensive but decent tools. I had an old Skil
9.6v drill motor before the Ryobi and the Ry was lights years ahead.
I also had two old B&D 3/8" VSRs with 1/2" chucks on them that, at
that time, had refused to die. Both have died smoky deaths since.


I consider some stuff I buy to be either disposable or on long term
lease. :-)

Right. And it's amazing how much of the previously considered
disposable crap lasts and lasts. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman
circ saw, and both those B&D drills lasted over 30 years each. I just
picked up a HF hammer drill for $24 (coupon) so we'll see how long it
lasts in hammah mode.


The last uber-cheap B&D FireStorm 18v combo package I bought is still
kicking and I have knocked the ****e out of them. I don't expect them to
last 15 years or more like my DeWalt circ saw, but hey. I have a Skil
corded hammer saw that I simply cannot destroy. It's been left out in
the rain... run for more than 24hrs at a time as a water pump... been
tossed off the top off wall onto the subfloor deck, tossed off a near
30' roof peak into the dirt/grass... it the zombie of power-tools.

Um, what's a hammer saw?!?

--
Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace.
-- Robert J. Sawyer

On 7/15/11 7:19 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD
and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs
in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere but
it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with them
now.

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.


Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

On 7/15/11 7:19 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD
and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs
in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere but
it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with them
now.

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.


Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

On 7/15/11 11:55 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

On 7/15/11 7:19 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD
and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs
in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere but
it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with them
now.

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.


Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

C'mon. It's an exclusive brand. I'm not the one playing semantics.
Any other brand you can find at any other store.
Shouldn't the actual "manufacturer" be the authoritative source for this
information, anyway? :-)


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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:58:27 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

On 7/15/11 11:55 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

On 7/15/11 7:19 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD
and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs
in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere but
it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with them
now.

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.


Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

C'mon. It's an exclusive brand. I'm not the one playing semantics.
Any other brand you can find at any other store.
Shouldn't the actual "manufacturer" be the authoritative source for this
information, anyway? :-)

Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

On 7/16/11 12:03 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:58:27 -0500, wrote:

On 7/15/11 11:55 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

On 7/15/11 7:19 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD
and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs
in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere but
it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with them
now.

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.


Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

C'mon. It's an exclusive brand. I'm not the one playing semantics.
Any other brand you can find at any other store.
Shouldn't the actual "manufacturer" be the authoritative source for this
information, anyway? :-)

Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

semantics. done.


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com

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On 7/15/2011 12:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

The Amazon stuff is likely new-old-stock or the re-manufactured stuff.
The answer to the question, are they an exclusive label, without the
typical newsgroup war of semantics, is yes, they are exclusive to HD.

I didn't know that either, thanks for the info Mike.

I never bought a Ryobi tool but, I'd think this would be a lot different
than buying a Craftsman tool made by a brand name mfg that makes a
cheaper version of their product just for Sears. They always had ****ty
parts, like a plastic gear rather than a metal gear, crap like that. I
figured this was to insure the real tools were better than the cheaper
Sears brand.

If Sears owned it's own mfg plant, I would think they would not
necessarily use the cheap plastic gear. If Ryobi makes tools
exclusively for HD, they would be more inclined to make the best product
possible at the best possible price.

Personally, I'd be more likely to buy a Ryobi knowing this than I was
before knowing this.

--
Jack
Are You Better Off Than You were 4 Trillion Dollars Ago?
http://jbstein.com

On 7/16/2011 12:55 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.

Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

He already posted a link that clearly states Ryobi makes tools
EXCLUSIVELY for HD. Unless you missed the link, you might need to tell
Ryobi that's not the case.

--
Jack
Please don't tell Obama what comes after a Trillion!
http://jbstein.com

Jack Stein wrote:


I never bought a Ryobi tool but, I'd think this would be a lot
different than buying a Craftsman tool made by a brand name mfg that
makes a cheaper version of their product just for Sears. They always
had ****ty parts, like a plastic gear rather than a metal gear, crap
like that. I figured this was to insure the real tools were better
than the cheaper Sears brand.

If Sears owned it's own mfg plant, I would think they would not
necessarily use the cheap plastic gear. If Ryobi makes tools
exclusively for HD, they would be more inclined to make the best
product possible at the best possible price.

Personally, I'd be more likely to buy a Ryobi knowing this than I was
before knowing this.

Their tools may be ok, but stay away from their power equipment like string
trimmers, etc., especially the gas operated stuff. It appears that they
have their forte, but their name should not be accepted as a universal
statement of quality.

--

-Mike-

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

Apparently not new. I was surprised to discover this as well. I don't know
how long the HD has had exclusive rights to sell the products, but they sure
do now. The fact that you can buy used or reconditioned tools elsewhere
does not negate the fact that they are exclusive to HD.

--

-Mike-

On 7/16/11 7:29 AM, Jack Stein wrote:
On 7/15/2011 12:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

The Amazon stuff is likely new-old-stock or the re-manufactured stuff.
The answer to the question, are they an exclusive label, without the
typical newsgroup war of semantics, is yes, they are exclusive to HD.

I didn't know that either, thanks for the info Mike.

I never bought a Ryobi tool but, I'd think this would be a lot different
than buying a Craftsman tool made by a brand name mfg that makes a
cheaper version of their product just for Sears. They always had ****ty
parts, like a plastic gear rather than a metal gear, crap like that. I
figured this was to insure the real tools were better than the cheaper
Sears brand.

If Sears owned it's own mfg plant, I would think they would not
necessarily use the cheap plastic gear. If Ryobi makes tools exclusively
for HD, they would be more inclined to make the best product possible at
the best possible price.

Personally, I'd be more likely to buy a Ryobi knowing this than I was
before knowing this.


I don't know who makes their stuff or where. I suspect it's the same
Asian factories that everyone else uses. It looks like they are part of
the same "brand group" as Milwaukee. All the tool companies have gotten
gobbled up by conglomerates over the past few decades. I don't know what
all that means, just to say... I wouldn't let it sway your opinion of
their quality. Ryobi still appears to be the same, cheap, plastic crap
that B&D, Porter Cable, or many other have become.


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On 7/16/11 7:51 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Jack Stein wrote:


I never bought a Ryobi tool but, I'd think this would be a lot
different than buying a Craftsman tool made by a brand name mfg that
makes a cheaper version of their product just for Sears. They always
had ****ty parts, like a plastic gear rather than a metal gear, crap
like that. I figured this was to insure the real tools were better
than the cheaper Sears brand.

If Sears owned it's own mfg plant, I would think they would not
necessarily use the cheap plastic gear. If Ryobi makes tools
exclusively for HD, they would be more inclined to make the best
product possible at the best possible price.

Personally, I'd be more likely to buy a Ryobi knowing this than I was
before knowing this.

Their tools may be ok, but stay away from their power equipment like string
trimmers, etc., especially the gas operated stuff. It appears that they
have their forte, but their name should not be accepted as a universal
statement of quality.


Ain't that the truth. Everybody's getting goggled up, these days.
Husqvarna used to be the $h!t when it came to weedeaters and chainsaws.
I have one that's 15 years old... still starts on two pulls after
sitting all winter. Just last year, I had to replace some rotten fuel
line... that's the only maintenance I've done on it, ever.

The guy at the parts store said they've gone downhill since getting
bought out or something similar. Of course, it might have been Stihl he
was talking about, I forget. :-) But the principle applies... not too many
companies are *improving* the quality and longevity of their products
anymore.


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On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:54:23 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

wrote:


Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

Apparently not new. I was surprised to discover this as well. I don't know
how long the HD has had exclusive rights to sell the products, but they sure
do now. The fact that you can buy used or reconditioned tools elsewhere
does not negate the fact that they are exclusive to HD.

Not true, as I've said here; at least one Ryobi outlet store exists (or at
least did a year ago when I was in it).

On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:40:18 -0400, Jack Stein wrote:

On 7/16/2011 12:55 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.

Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

He already posted a link that clearly states Ryobi makes tools
EXCLUSIVELY for HD. Unless you missed the link, you might need to tell
Ryobi that's not the case.

Maybe you'd care to read what's been written?

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:54:23 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

Apparently not new. I was surprised to discover this as well. I
don't know how long the HD has had exclusive rights to sell the
products, but they sure do now. The fact that you can buy used or
reconditioned tools elsewhere does not negate the fact that they are
exclusive to HD.

Not true, as I've said here; at least one Ryobi outlet store exists
(or at least did a year ago when I was in it).

And that outlet store sells what? Does it sell new equipment, or is
everything in ther reconditioned? Then again - I'm not sure when they
signed their exclusive deal with HD. Perhaps it was within the past year or
two. That though, does not make what I said "Not true". Look at their web
site.

--

-Mike-

On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:08:48 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:54:23 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

Apparently not new. I was surprised to discover this as well. I
don't know how long the HD has had exclusive rights to sell the
products, but they sure do now. The fact that you can buy used or
reconditioned tools elsewhere does not negate the fact that they are
exclusive to HD.

Not true, as I've said here; at least one Ryobi outlet store exists
(or at least did a year ago when I was in it).

And that outlet store sells what?

Ryobi tools. Duh!

Does it sell new equipment, or is
everything in ther reconditioned?

As I've already said in this thread, both.

Then again - I'm not sure when they
signed their exclusive deal with HD. Perhaps it was within the past year or
two.

No.

That though, does not make what I said "Not true". Look at their web
site.

I don't care what is claimed. I know what exists.

On 7/16/11 9:12 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:54:23 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

Apparently not new. I was surprised to discover this as well. I don't know
how long the HD has had exclusive rights to sell the products, but they sure
do now. The fact that you can buy used or reconditioned tools elsewhere
does not negate the fact that they are exclusive to HD.

Not true, as I've said here; at least one Ryobi outlet store exists (or at
least did a year ago when I was in it).

Pigheaded much? sheesh


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zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Then again - I'm not sure when they
signed their exclusive deal with HD. Perhaps it was within the past
year or two.

No.

That though, does not make what I said "Not true". Look at their web
site.

I don't care what is claimed. I know what exists.

You also said that you saw this store a year ago. I simply wondered if the
deal with HD was since then. What makes you say no to that idea?

--

-Mike-

Jack Stein wrote:
On 7/16/2011 12:55 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive
HD brand.

Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities
trying to buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and
get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

He already posted a link that clearly states Ryobi makes tools
EXCLUSIVELY for HD. Unless you missed the link, you might need to
tell Ryobi that's not the case.

Hmm. Amazon lists over 16,000 Ryobi things for sale. There's probably even
more on Ebay.

On 7/16/2011 9:12 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:54:23 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

Apparently not new. I was surprised to discover this as well. I don't know
how long the HD has had exclusive rights to sell the products, but they sure
do now. The fact that you can buy used or reconditioned tools elsewhere
does not negate the fact that they are exclusive to HD.

Not true, as I've said here; at least one Ryobi outlet store exists (or at
least did a year ago when I was in it).

A lot can happen in a year.

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To reply, eat the taco.
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On 7/16/2011 10:13 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:40:18 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 7/16/2011 12:55 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.

Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

He already posted a link that clearly states Ryobi makes tools
EXCLUSIVELY for HD. Unless you missed the link, you might need to tell
Ryobi that's not the case.

Maybe you'd care to read what's been written?

Ok, Ryobi says:
"We're proud to sell our tools exclusively through The Home Depot,"

krw says:
"The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand."

I've pretty much read the whole thread, what am I missing? Ryobi says
they make tools EXCLUSIVELY for HD, you say they don't? No semantics,
not real complicated...

--
Jack
You Can't Fix Stupid, but You Can Vote it Out!
http://jbstein.com

On 7/17/2011 8:22 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Jack Stein wrote:
On 7/16/2011 12:55 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive
HD brand.

Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities
trying to buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and
get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

He already posted a link that clearly states Ryobi makes tools
EXCLUSIVELY for HD. Unless you missed the link, you might need to
tell Ryobi that's not the case.

Hmm. Amazon lists over 16,000 Ryobi things for sale. There's probably even
more on Ebay.

Ebay lists 10,000 Craftsman tools for sale... whats your point?

I bought a lathe chuck from Amazon once and it came to me in a package
from Harbor Freight, complete with the HF product ID number. Whomever
sold me the product via Amazon (CoKiD Supply Co), obviously simply
bought it from HF and sold it to me at a premium.

What's your point?

--
Jack
You Can't Fix Stupid, but You Can Vote it Out!
http://jbstein.com

On 7/16/2011 10:08 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:

And that outlet store sells what? Does it sell new equipment, or is
everything in ther reconditioned? Then again - I'm not sure when they
signed their exclusive deal with HD. Perhaps it was within the past year or
two. That though, does not make what I said "Not true". Look at their web
site.

I'm thinking that the word "exclusive" has a modern, Madison Avemanure
meaning along the lines of the word "virgin".

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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

zzzzzzzzzz wrote the following:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:54:23 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:


zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Can you buy a Ryobi tool from another source than HD, or not?

Apparently not new. I was surprised to discover this as well. I don't know
how long the HD has had exclusive rights to sell the products, but they sure
do now. The fact that you can buy used or reconditioned tools elsewhere
does not negate the fact that they are exclusive to HD.


Not true, as I've said here; at least one Ryobi outlet store exists (or at
least did a year ago when I was in it).

Where is the store?
I googled for Ryobi tools, and except for places selling reconditioned
Ryobi tools, all I found referred to Home Depot, or in Australia, Bunnings.
There are no Home Depots in Australia. There is a store called 'Your
Home Depot', but that is a privately owned company not related to Home
Depot.

--

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In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 08:41:09 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 7/16/2011 10:08 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:

And that outlet store sells what? Does it sell new equipment, or is
everything in ther reconditioned? Then again - I'm not sure when they
signed their exclusive deal with HD. Perhaps it was within the past year or
two. That though, does not make what I said "Not true". Look at their web
site.

I'm thinking that the word "exclusive" has a modern, Madison Avemanure
meaning along the lines of the word "virgin".

I have always loved the "extra virgin" label, myself.
I once saw some "double extra virgin" olive oil on a shelf and folks
in the store aisle stared at me when I let out a hoot and was in tears
from laughing so hard. It really struck me that day.

Speaking of virgins,

Q: what is the best birth control pill?
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..
..
..
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..

A: One aspirin, held firmly between the knees.

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You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:18:03 -0400, Jack Stein
wrote:

On 7/16/2011 10:13 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:40:18 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 7/16/2011 12:55 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:28:47 -0500, wrote:

The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand.

Yeah, ok, if you say so. semantics.

Pick 1,000,000 people and have them drive around their cities trying to
buy new Ryobi tool at anywhere other than Home Depot and get back to me.

Goal post movement noted.

He already posted a link that clearly states Ryobi makes tools
EXCLUSIVELY for HD. Unless you missed the link, you might need to tell
Ryobi that's not the case.

Maybe you'd care to read what's been written?

Ok, Ryobi says:
"We're proud to sell our tools exclusively through The Home Depot,"

krw says:
"The fact is that Ryobi stores exist, so it is *not* an exclusive HD brand."

I've pretty much read the whole thread, what am I missing? Ryobi says
they make tools EXCLUSIVELY for HD, you say they don't? No semantics,
not real complicated...

If you guys plonk the troll, the thread dies. Think about it.

--
Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud