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Awl --
I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. -- EA |
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On 7/7/2011 3:52 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
Awl -- I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. A nice heavy coat of good old fashioned exterior paint will work wonders. After all, that what is on houses. Throw some sand in if you need traction control. PS. i'd go 3/4". 1/2" is not good for much of anything. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On Jul 7, 4:52*pm, "Existential Angst" wrote:
Awl -- I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. *Are there even harder/stiffer grades? *I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. *Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. -- EA Start off with MDO maybe? With just a couple of coats of marine enamel, signs made that way can last 20-years+ |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:52:24 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:
It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. How about marine plywood? -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:52:24 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:
It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. How about marine plywood? -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:16:48 -0500, Steve Barker
wrote: On 7/7/2011 3:52 PM, Existential Angst wrote: Awl -- I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. A nice heavy coat of good old fashioned exterior paint will work wonders. After all, that what is on houses. Throw some sand in if you need traction control. PS. i'd go 3/4". 1/2" is not good for much of anything. I'd go at least 5/8" if not 3/4", and he can order pressure treated exterior plywood from his lumberyard if they don't stock it. Spar varnish over that, for the flexibility if offers, should keep the platform solid for years and years. Be sure that the finish is well maintained. -- Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt |
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On 7/7/2011 3:52 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
Awl -- I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. You simply do not give enough information for anyone to make an informed response that will stand the test of time. What is the "base" being used for? Is proposed plywood being installed horizontally (as with a subfloor) or vertically (as with siding)? Will it be carrying weight? If so, what is the sub-structure, and how much weight? Will any part of it be directly exposed to the weather? That said, there is really no reason to use indoor plywood outdoors, and to do so will ultimately be unsatisfactory regardless of the covering. There are any number of types and dimensions of plywood/sheet goods made for "exterior" use, which will serve you better. Also, the very same folks who supply HD and Lowes with sheet goods also supply "lumber yards" with same (and just because you buy sheet goods at a lumber yard doesn't mean it will be quality merchandise, particularly in this day and age), so don't rule out the big box stores for good buys on sheet goods. CAVEAT: you need to be familiar with the materials, and how they are made, to determine what is acceptable. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 7/7/2011 4:52 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Wood is pretty much waterproof already, glue not so much. Outdoor plywood uses water resistant glue, so it won't come apart so easily. Marine plywood uses a good quality water proof glue and has no gaps in the veneers for water to hide in. Marine plywood is rather pricy and probably not needed for "some apparatus", whatever that is. I have bought 3/4 wolmanized plywood at my home depot, and used it for the walls on my swimming pool. It has held up fine w/o any finish. If I were making a "base for some apparatus" I'd likely look into the 3/4" wolmanized stuff. I would not likely use 1/2 inch for a base. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. The nice thing about the wolmanized stuff is there is no need to try to protect it with finish. You can finish it for looks,with paint or stain, but that is up to you. Actually, I guess that's true with any quality outdoor plywood. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. All plywood is "real". Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest Yeah, 3/4" is stiffer, but really, there are a myriad of grades of plywood, and all sorts of different cores for different purposes. furniture grade is not what you are looking for outdoor use for an "apparatus" base. .. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. My home depot often has great quality plywood at great prices, but not all the time. Right now they have some sort of "heat treated" stuff on sale I've never seen before. It's red-ish stuff, I think outdoor. I'd look into it if I were building an outdoor base for an apparatus. -- Jack Got Change: Democratic Republic ====== Banana Republic! http://jbstein.com |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:16:47 +0000, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:52:24 -0400, Existential Angst wrote: It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. How about marine plywood? Hmmmm. Seems like everything I posted to any newsgroup yesterday showed up twice. I wonder if this will. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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"...order pressure treated exterior plywood from his lumberyard if
they don't stock it. Spar varnish over that, ..." The first part "pressure-treated" plywood made sense - though NOT for Ground Contact - but the "Spar Varnish" part may prove problematic. As I understand it PT Wood is, essentially "wet" at the point of sale. I've been advised that coating/painting it too soon - before it has a chance to age and dry out - can cause it to rot. I have NEVER seen a successful application of any plywood in contact with the ground. Though you did not indicate ground contact in the OP, thought to mention it just in case. Oil-based primer, at least two coats with 24 hours to dry between and a similar number of coats of exterior enamel (latex is fine) is how I did my replacement garage door section. But a year of sprinklers wetting it (Florida sunshine and humidity) started the rot again. I built a couple of barn doors with hardwood rails and stiles and a center web made of 1/2" OSB painted the same way and they've done very well for three years now. If you're finished project is laid horizontally above earth or concrete - I would suggest you create openings to provide good air- flow beneath the structure regardless the finish. |
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"Swingman" wrote in message
... On 7/7/2011 3:52 PM, Existential Angst wrote: Awl -- I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. You simply do not give enough information for anyone to make an informed response that will stand the test of time. First, thanks to all who responsed, and I'll answer the points raised here, point-for-point, and others. What is the "base" being used for? A fitness-type "jungle jim", for hanging, swinging, etc. Is proposed plywood being installed horizontally (as with a subfloor) or vertically (as with siding)? Horizontally, and in contact with backyard-type stuff: grass, soil, sand, concrete, etc. Will it be carrying weight? Bodyweight, from kids up to 500# adults. Which would sort of require that whatever surface is supporting this base be pretty level, uniform. If so, what is the sub-structure, and how much weight? The units I've made already use "regular" 1/2 ply, which by itself is absolutely inadequate for the job. But because of "guy poles" (think guy wires, but rigid), and various gusset plates, there is surprisingly little stress (at least bending stress) on the ply. It serves more as a platform for screws/bolts, for the rigidifying members.. The net result is to keep the apparatus itself from tipping over. Will any part of it be directly exposed to the weather? All of it, year-round.. That said, there is really no reason to use indoor plywood outdoors, and to do so will ultimately be unsatisfactory regardless of the covering. Well, this is the crux of my point. If indoor ply WERE sufficiently "encased" in poly, or some epoxy/plastic coating, COULD it become weather-proof? And at what cost? I understand, now, from the other replies, that it would be better to start off with a more appropriate class of plywood. Really, the Q was sort of two part, asking about plywoods, and the effectiveness of coatings. Wolmanized wood sounds intriguing. http://gawain.membrane.com/decks/lum...ized_wood.html has a succinct description, and reflects what Jack was saying about wolmanized wood. There are other solutions, which includes making the base out of aluminum plate, which I am actually in the process of doing, as a test. Not cheap, tho, altho when one factors in the whole finishing process required for wood (or perhaps the cost of wolmanized PT lumber -- haven't priced this out yet), mebbe alum plate won't be that far off, price-wise. There are any number of types and dimensions of plywood/sheet goods made for "exterior" use, which will serve you better. Also, the very same folks who supply HD and Lowes with sheet goods also supply "lumber yards" with same (and just because you buy sheet goods at a lumber yard doesn't mean it will be quality merchandise, particularly in this day and age), so don't rule out the big box stores for good buys on sheet goods. CAVEAT: you need to be familiar with the materials, and how they are made, to determine what is acceptable. It's hard to imagine HD supplying ANYTHING of quality. My understanding is that even reputable power tool companies (Bosch et al) make HD versions. But indeed, caveat emptor, and the more one knows, the better one can buy. Easier said than done, however. I am, however, a big fan of the Husky compressors that HD carries. Have bought two, VERY quiet units (for compressors), and so far so good. -- EA -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Jack Stein" wrote in message
... On 7/7/2011 4:52 PM, Existential Angst wrote: I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Wood is pretty much waterproof already, glue not so much. Outdoor plywood uses water resistant glue, so it won't come apart so easily. Marine plywood uses a good quality water proof glue and has no gaps in the veneers for water to hide in. Marine plywood is rather pricy and probably not needed for "some apparatus", whatever that is. I have bought 3/4 wolmanized plywood at my home depot, and used it for the walls on my swimming pool. It has held up fine w/o any finish. You put this wood IN the pool, to actually contain the water mass?? Details, please!! And I guess this is not that unusual, given wooden-hulled boats, and the roof-top water tanks you see in NYC. What types of wood are used in wood boats, water tanks? If I were making a "base for some apparatus" I'd likely look into the 3/4" wolmanized stuff. I would not likely use 1/2 inch for a base. Weight is an issue, and it appears that structurally, I can get away with 1/2". 3/4" is of course an option, perhaps "heavier duty" versions". Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. The nice thing about the wolmanized stuff is there is no need to try to protect it with finish. You can finish it for looks,with paint or stain, but that is up to you. Actually, I guess that's true with any quality outdoor plywood. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. All plywood is "real". Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest Yeah, 3/4" is stiffer, but really, there are a myriad of grades of plywood, and all sorts of different cores for different purposes. furniture grade is not what you are looking for outdoor use for an "apparatus" base. I was under the impression that for a given thickness, the more layers in the ply, the stiffer it was. However, I was actually testing pieces of ply I have laying around, and a 3-layer ply was signficantly stiffer than a piece of 4 layer ply, both 1/2" And just now I roughly tested two pieces of 3/4 ply, one with *eleven layers*, the other with 5, and the 5 layer piece feels a little more rigid!! So I guess that theory is not reliably true. . Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. My home depot often has great quality plywood at great prices, but not all the time. Right now they have some sort of "heat treated" stuff on sale I've never seen before. It's red-ish stuff, I think outdoor. I'd look into it if I were building an outdoor base for an apparatus. I'll check it out. -- EA -- Jack Got Change: Democratic Republic ====== Banana Republic! http://jbstein.com |
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On 7/9/2011 12:48 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
wrote in message Will any part of it be directly exposed to the weather? All of it, year-round.. That said, there is really no reason to use indoor plywood outdoors, and to do so will ultimately be unsatisfactory regardless of the covering. Well, this is the crux of my point. If indoor ply WERE sufficiently "encased" in poly, or some epoxy/plastic coating, COULD it become weather-proof? And at what cost? For your stated purpose, and IME, your best be would be an APA rated exterior plywood coated with a water proofing "system" made specifically for the purpose, like this PolyCoat product : http://www.bestmaterials.com/PDF_Files/Polydeck_400.pdf -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:19:22 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 7/9/2011 12:48 PM, Existential Angst wrote: wrote in message Will any part of it be directly exposed to the weather? All of it, year-round.. That said, there is really no reason to use indoor plywood outdoors, and to do so will ultimately be unsatisfactory regardless of the covering. Well, this is the crux of my point. If indoor ply WERE sufficiently "encased" in poly, or some epoxy/plastic coating, COULD it become weather-proof? And at what cost? For your stated purpose, and IME, your best be would be an APA rated exterior plywood coated with a water proofing "system" made specifically for the purpose, like this PolyCoat product : http://www.bestmaterials.com/PDF_Files/Polydeck_400.pdf I saw these two products (Reader's Choice Top 100 Products list) in a remodeling mag this morning: UDF-21 http://www.greenbuildingsupply.com/u...?objectID=6265 http://www.ccaplaygroundsolution.com/ EPL I wonder how the three compare. Have you used any of them? What's the difference in durability and/or longevity between the poly, urethane, and epoxy systems? (if you or anyone else knows) -- One word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love. -- Sophocles |
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On 7/9/2011 5:21 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:19:22 -0500, wrote: For your stated purpose, and IME, your best be would be an APA rated exterior plywood coated with a water proofing "system" made specifically for the purpose, like this PolyCoat product : http://www.bestmaterials.com/PDF_Files/Polydeck_400.pdf I saw these two products (Reader's Choice Top 100 Products list) in a remodeling mag this morning: UDF-21 http://www.greenbuildingsupply.com/u...?objectID=6265 http://www.ccaplaygroundsolution.com/ EPL I wonder how the three compare. Have you used any of them? What's the difference in durability and/or longevity between the poly, urethane, and epoxy systems? (if you or anyone else knows) I used the Polydeck product about five years ago on a raised platform for AC condenser units that had to be at FF elevation to pass code (an Architect's design/plan), although I've seen the platform a couple of times since, as far as I'm concerned it is simply too early to tell. That said, it still looked brand new about a year ago ... if you can extrapolate that to another five years, I would have to say that it was worthwhile and cost effective, and will most likely make it longer. My problem with most exterior oil based 'weather resistant' coatings in this part of the country is the UV/sun just eats 'em alive. That does not appear to have the usual effect on this product thus far. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Why not use marine ply. No voids in or out and the
glue is 100% waterproof. This is wood rated to be in water when it is protected. Think boats. It is used in flower boxes and such. Martin On 7/9/2011 5:21 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:19:22 -0500, wrote: On 7/9/2011 12:48 PM, Existential Angst wrote: wrote in message Will any part of it be directly exposed to the weather? All of it, year-round.. That said, there is really no reason to use indoor plywood outdoors, and to do so will ultimately be unsatisfactory regardless of the covering. Well, this is the crux of my point. If indoor ply WERE sufficiently "encased" in poly, or some epoxy/plastic coating, COULD it become weather-proof? And at what cost? For your stated purpose, and IME, your best be would be an APA rated exterior plywood coated with a water proofing "system" made specifically for the purpose, like this PolyCoat product : http://www.bestmaterials.com/PDF_Files/Polydeck_400.pdf I saw these two products (Reader's Choice Top 100 Products list) in a remodeling mag this morning: UDF-21 http://www.greenbuildingsupply.com/u...?objectID=6265 http://www.ccaplaygroundsolution.com/ EPL I wonder how the three compare. Have you used any of them? What's the difference in durability and/or longevity between the poly, urethane, and epoxy systems? (if you or anyone else knows) -- One word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love. -- Sophocles |
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:17:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 7/9/2011 5:21 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:19:22 -0500, wrote: For your stated purpose, and IME, your best be would be an APA rated exterior plywood coated with a water proofing "system" made specifically for the purpose, like this PolyCoat product : http://www.bestmaterials.com/PDF_Files/Polydeck_400.pdf I saw these two products (Reader's Choice Top 100 Products list) in a remodeling mag this morning: UDF-21 http://www.greenbuildingsupply.com/u...?objectID=6265 http://www.ccaplaygroundsolution.com/ EPL I wonder how the three compare. Have you used any of them? What's the difference in durability and/or longevity between the poly, urethane, and epoxy systems? (if you or anyone else knows) I used the Polydeck product about five years ago on a raised platform for AC condenser units that had to be at FF elevation to pass code (an Mine is a cheap prefab concrete slab they dropped on the ground when they installed the condenser. I saved a couple hundred by running the wiring myself, and lighting the unlit attic, too. Architect's design/plan), although I've seen the platform a couple of times since, as far as I'm concerned it is simply too early to tell. That said, it still looked brand new about a year ago ... if you can extrapolate that to another five years, I would have to say that it was worthwhile and cost effective, and will most likely make it longer. My problem with most exterior oil based 'weather resistant' coatings in this part of the country is the UV/sun just eats 'em alive. That does not appear to have the usual effect on this product thus far. With the epoxy sealer and then 4 coats of other films, I sure hope not. I've used Superdeck's opaque concrete stain and it still looks brand new five years later. http://goo.gl/htxaK Pressure wash, prime, and paint/stain. It goes on like slightly thinned latex paint and is very nice to work with. -- One word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love. -- Sophocles |
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On 7/9/2011 1:48 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
It's hard to imagine HD supplying ANYTHING of quality. That seems to be a common imagination. However, last year I went to HD to buy a sheet of cheap $18 3/4" ply for the base of a wood rack. Instead, I found a pile of 3/4" ply on sale for $23 a sheet. The $18 stuff was junk, looked like cheap CDX, (which is supposed to be junk, regardless of where you buy it.) For just $5 a sheet more I passed on the cheap stuff. This was high quality, AB stuff with no voids. I bought it, but felt a little guilty putting this stuff as a base on a wood rack. Also, my HD always has good lumber. The biggest problem I see is pricing. For example, they always sell 2x6's cheaper than the same grade of 1x6. At first, I thought it was a mistake, I even mentioned it to a sales guy once. It's been like this for at least a year or two, so it's on purpose. As far as Oak lumber goes, my store sells only #1 select and it is perfect. You need a briefcase full of money to buy it, but it is perfect stuff if you are polluted with cash. My understanding is that even reputable power tool companies (Bosch et al) make HD versions. I never heard that before. I heard that about Sears though, Sears brand tools are cheaper versions of brand name tools. Could be true though, I usually buy off the internet for tax reasons. I am, however, a big fan of the Husky compressors that HD carries. Have bought two, VERY quiet units (for compressors), and so far so good. -- Jack Got Change: Now CHANGE IT BACK! http://jbstein.com |
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On 7/9/2011 2:02 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
"Jack wrote in message I have bought 3/4 wolmanized plywood at my home depot, and used it for the walls on my swimming pool. It has held up fine w/o any finish. You put this wood IN the pool, to actually contain the water mass?? Details, please!! Yes, but the pool has a plastic liner so the pool water does not actually come in contact with ply. It is exposed to the weather though, and has extreme contact with water from normal spillage and leaks. It is an above ground, 24x32' pool, and the ply holds in the water. And I guess this is not that unusual, given wooden-hulled boats, and the roof-top water tanks you see in NYC. What types of wood are used in wood boats, water tanks? I dunno, probably everything from pine to teak. My brother made a canoe out of orange crate wood 55 years ago, still works, and looks better than any canoe I've come across. Yeah, 3/4" is stiffer, but really, there are a myriad of grades of plywood, and all sorts of different cores for different purposes. furniture grade is not what you are looking for outdoor use for an "apparatus" base. I was under the impression that for a given thickness, the more layers in the ply, the stiffer it was. My impression as well. Also, what material is used for the inner layers has an effect. I've seen everything from solid wood planking to some sort of clayish looking wood putty stuff. However, I was actually testing pieces of ply I have laying around, and a 3-layer ply was signficantly stiffer than a piece of 4 layer ply, both 1/2" I've never seen or heard of a 4 layer ply?. All ply should be odd numbered? And just now I roughly tested two pieces of 3/4 ply, one with *eleven layers*, the other with 5, and the 5 layer piece feels a little more rigid!! Well, I've seen 3 layered ply with 1x4 solid wood planking as the core. It was stiff. So I guess that theory is not reliably true. No, just the number of ply is not the whole enchilada. My home depot often has great quality plywood at great prices, but not all the time. Right now they have some sort of "heat treated" stuff on sale I've never seen before. It's red-ish stuff, I think outdoor. I'd look into it if I were building an outdoor base for an apparatus. I'll check it out. Let us know what you find out. -- Jack Fight Socialism.... Buy a Ford! http://jbstein.com |
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On 7/9/2011 9:58 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:17:31 -0500, wrote: I used the Polydeck product about five years ago on a raised platform for AC condenser units that had to be at FF elevation to pass code (an Mine is a cheap prefab concrete slab they dropped on the ground when they installed the condenser. I saved a couple hundred by running the wiring myself, and lighting the unlit attic, too. I doubt yours is 42" above grade ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 06:05:46 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 7/9/2011 9:58 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:17:31 -0500, wrote: I used the Polydeck product about five years ago on a raised platform for AC condenser units that had to be at FF elevation to pass code (an Mine is a cheap prefab concrete slab they dropped on the ground when they installed the condenser. I saved a couple hundred by running the wiring myself, and lighting the unlit attic, too. I doubt yours is 42" above grade ... Oh. I thought you lived in basement territory, and FFE -was- grade. My bad. So, the house was 42" above the caliche? -- One word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love. -- Sophocles |
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On 7/9/2011 12:48 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
.... Well, this is the crux of my point. If indoor ply WERE sufficiently "encased" in poly, or some epoxy/plastic coating, COULD it become weather-proof? And at what cost? .... The coating _will_ fail at some point owing to the tendency of wood to move (and it will, though the coating will slow down moisture changes it will still change) and in the application there's going to be structural movement as well. It's hard to imagine HD supplying ANYTHING of quality. My understanding is that even reputable power tool companies (Bosch et al) make HD versions. .... WalMart does that; afaik the BORGs don't; at least for the major distributors. "House" branded stuff is, of course, different. As for lumber, Boise-Cascade, Georgia-Pacific, etc., are same products at wherever they are. As Swing says, what's different is what specific products they're carrying--much of the box stores' inventory is imported rather than the name brands so have to be observant. But, that's also becoming a trend elsewhere as well, sadly. If it has the APA (formerly American Plywood Assoc., now still use the APA initials but titled the Engineered Wood Assoc.) grade stamp you can infer the panel from wherever obtained will meet the standard for that grade (and that there won't be a great deal of difference in how much "better" one vs another is at that grade owing to competitive pricing pressure). It would be useful likely to go review what those stamps on the sheets actually mean and the definitions behind them. http://www.apawood.org/level_b.cfm?content=prd_ply_main Specifically towards your objective might be-- http://www.apawood.org/level_c.cfm?content=pub_ply_libmain Look for Plywood in Hostile Environments, Physical Properties and Applications,Research Report 132. Information provides guidance for engineers and designers with attention to questions on the physical properties of plywood and their application in extreme conditions. Initial research written in 1975, udated in 2008. -- |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message
in.local... In article , says... Awl -- I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. I didn't see anybody asking questions, but there are some that are relevant. Swingman did!! See my first response to him, but I'll address your specifics as well. When you say "outdoor use", that covers a lot of territory. Are you going to be putting it on smooth pavemement, a well tended lawn, an irregular surface, a beach, rocks, or what? All of the above. Altho, for truly irregular surfaces, they would have to be evened out somewhat, bec altho my intended base is rigid enough for the "use stresses", that is sort of predicated on a uniform surface, altho that surface could be anything. Of course, if I really beefed up the base, the surface wouldn't need to be regular, but that would bump up the $$ How long will it be exposed? Is this something you're going to pull out once in a while and then put back, or is it going to stay outside permanently? If permanently, how long does it have to last? A day? A week? A month? A year? A decade? All eternity? Ideally, an eternity, permanent outside exposure. Practically, 10 years. An all aluminum/SS version would meet this, but it starts getting heavy, expensive. Does it need to be portable? If so, how portable? A five year old can lift it and carry it away? An adult? Two adults? Four adults? A lift-gate truck? A crane? Total weight, 100#, give or take. Thus it can be shoved around, with not much drama, but not by a 5 y.o. An ordinary sheet of Home Depot exterior plywood (it's much like other standard-graded exterior plywood--if you can break one piece of half- inch douglas-fir ply across you knee you can break all of them) without any protection should be able to survive outdoors in ground contact for several years--how many is going to depend on the environment--it will be longer in Death Valley than in the Everglades or Seattle but it's not something I'd try to quantify beyond "several years". Pressure treated plywood (should be able to find that at Home Depot as well) will last longer obviously. Painting it will prolong its life even more. As a general rule you want a pigmented exterior coating--clear polyurethane and other such are remarkable products but no clear coating is going to hold up as well under UV exposure outdoors as a pigmented one. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations for primer and whatnot. Hardwood ply will be stronger but finding it with exterior glue may be problematical. Marine plywood is a very, very high grade, but it's not cheap and may be overkill for your needs. Doing it "right" you would use ground-contact rated lumber for the actual ground contact, put some pressure treated stringers on top of that, and put your ply on top of the stringers, so it gets some air circulation and won't be wet all the time, and paint it all with a good grade of house paint (or you could go hog wild with Awlgrip or another 2K marine coating but that's serious overkill). That's going to be heavy and bulky though and for something that you want to be easily portable and that doesn't have to last very long would be excessive. Iow, if the base is 4 x 6, use mebbe three 6' ground-contact 2x4s (or thinner?), four or five 4' stringers across those (1x2?), and then the ply? I think the weight will come within range, and all those cross member+ply would certainly add to the rigidity. Food for thought. -- EA |
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: *snip* Also, my HD always has good lumber. The biggest problem I see is pricing. For example, they always sell 2x6's cheaper than the same grade of 1x6. At first, I thought it was a mistake, I even mentioned it to a sales guy once. It's been like this for at least a year or two, so it's on purpose. *snip* You're probably looking at volume cost savings. The 2x6s can be used in a lot of construction, while the 1x6s are more of a finish thing. For woodworking, it works out for those with a little patience and a planer. Get the cheaper 2x6, resaw it and plane to 5/8". Puckdropper |
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Jack Stein wrote:
On 7/9/2011 1:48 PM, Existential Angst wrote: It's hard to imagine HD supplying ANYTHING of quality. That seems to be a common imagination. However, last year I went to HD to buy a sheet of cheap $18 3/4" ply for the base of a wood rack. Instead, I found a pile of 3/4" ply on sale for $23 a sheet. The $18 stuff was junk, looked like cheap CDX, (which is supposed to be junk, regardless of where you buy it.) For just $5 a sheet more I passed on the cheap stuff. This was high quality, AB stuff with no voids. I bought it, but felt a little guilty putting this stuff as a base on a wood rack. Also, my HD always has good lumber. The biggest problem I see is pricing. For example, they always sell 2x6's cheaper than the same grade of 1x6. At first, I thought it was a mistake, I even mentioned it to a sales guy once. It's been like this for at least a year or two, so it's on purpose. You're right Jack - HD does carry a lot of qualtity stuff - and not just lumber. From EA's few comments, it's pretty clear he just wants to rag on HD. His choice, but it doesn't make his comments meaningful. My understanding is that even reputable power tool companies (Bosch et al) make HD versions. EA's "understanding" (whatever that means...) is just wrong. Perhaps EA should research his "understandings" some. I never heard that before. I heard that about Sears though, Sears brand tools are cheaper versions of brand name tools. Could be true though, I usually buy off the internet for tax reasons. HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Any standard label is the same thing you would buy anywhere else. -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
... Jack Stein wrote: On 7/9/2011 1:48 PM, Existential Angst wrote: It's hard to imagine HD supplying ANYTHING of quality. That seems to be a common imagination. However, last year I went to HD to buy a sheet of cheap $18 3/4" ply for the base of a wood rack. Instead, I found a pile of 3/4" ply on sale for $23 a sheet. The $18 stuff was junk, looked like cheap CDX, (which is supposed to be junk, regardless of where you buy it.) For just $5 a sheet more I passed on the cheap stuff. This was high quality, AB stuff with no voids. I bought it, but felt a little guilty putting this stuff as a base on a wood rack. Also, my HD always has good lumber. The biggest problem I see is pricing. For example, they always sell 2x6's cheaper than the same grade of 1x6. At first, I thought it was a mistake, I even mentioned it to a sales guy once. It's been like this for at least a year or two, so it's on purpose. You're right Jack - HD does carry a lot of qualtity stuff - and not just lumber. From EA's few comments, it's pretty clear he just wants to rag on HD. His choice, but it doesn't make his comments meaningful. Like most of the semantically handicapped, you confuse "meaningful-ness" with correctness. My understanding is that even reputable power tool companies (Bosch et al) make HD versions. EA's "understanding" (whatever that means...) is just wrong. Perhaps EA should research his "understandings" some. I never heard that before. I heard that about Sears though, Sears brand tools are cheaper versions of brand name tools. Could be true though, I usually buy off the internet for tax reasons. HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Any standard label is the same thing you would buy anywhere else. And you know -- or understand -- this, just how?? Are you a hardware/tool distributor insider? Are you a power tool manufacturer? If not, then your understanding is at least as suspect as mine is. My understanding comes from trade journals that guys in the hardware biz ( who I trust) have quoted me. My understanding is that mfr's are more than willing to play this game, because in addition to making cheaper tools (either for higher profit, or just acceding to Big Box pressure tactics), they can also wiggle out of price matching/warrantees based oh-so imperceptible diffs in the actual model numbers. Now, I can't cite examples, but, fwiw, this is my "understanding". If it's wrong, it's wrong, but then YOU will have to substantiate YOUR "better understanding". And while I'm "ragging" on HD, let me rag a little further with what I not only understand but absolutely KNOW: You can get better prices on many many power tools (Bosch, for one) -- and MANY other items, incl lumber -- at a good industrial hardware store, lumberyards, etc. And cheaper hardware, bits, blades, etc, except for the **** carbide HD sells. So much for effingHD being in the "consumer's corner", eh? 'tis what 'tis.... yeah, I'm sure HD carries quality stuff, if nothing else by accident. But that doesn't make them a consumer advocate, by any means. HD is part and parcel of the erosion of our social fabric, the dumbing/numbing down of the public. All because some bizniss-savvy ****heads figgered out how to centrally order/distribute **** hardware nationwide. Whoopee...... -- EA Sin -- -Mike- |
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"Existential Angst" wrote in message
... Awl -- I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. -- EA No plywood available at box stores including treated plywood is rated for ground contact. If you coated both sides and edges with fiberglass and epoxy with an overcoating of epoxy (or polyester resins for both coats) you would have a chance of lasting over two years. Why use wood? Why not go with a few cross pieces and decking made up of the plastic deck boards? It will last without change. -- Jim in NC |
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"Morgans" wrote in message
... "Existential Angst" wrote in message ... Awl -- I'm looking to make a 4 ft x 6 ft base for some apparatus, out of 1/2" plywood, for outdoor use. It works well indoors, but I'm wondering if I can make it *truly* waterproof for outdoor use, with enough coats of poly, epoxy, or some clear plastic coating-type finishes I've seen. Not that familiar with wood/coatings, beyond having done my floors with a water-based poly+catalyst, with mixed results. Also, I know there's HD 1/2 plywood, which you can break across your knee, and there is real 1/2 ply, from a lumber yard. Are there even harder/stiffer grades? I'm not necessarily looking for furniture-grade plywood, but maybe that is indeed the stiffest. Cost, bang for the buck is a factor. Maybe other "engineered products"? Appreciate all input. -- EA No plywood available at box stores including treated plywood is rated for ground contact. If you coated both sides and edges with fiberglass and epoxy with an overcoating of epoxy (or polyester resins for both coats) you would have a chance of lasting over two years. Why use wood? Why not go with a few cross pieces and decking made up of the plastic deck boards? It will last without change. Definitely has potential, as a couple others have alluded to. A lot of homework, tho, ito shapes, costs, etc. Expediency is a bit of a priority now, but a lot of food fer thought for later. -- EA -- Jim in NC |
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On 7/11/2011 10:00 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Jack Stein wrote: Also, my HD always has good lumber. The biggest problem I see is pricing. For example, they always sell 2x6's cheaper than the same grade of 1x6. At first, I thought it was a mistake, I even mentioned it to a sales guy once. It's been like this for at least a year or two, so it's on purpose. You're right Jack - HD does carry a lot of qualtity stuff - and not just lumber. From EA's few comments, it's pretty clear he just wants to rag on HD. His choice, but it doesn't make his comments meaningful. My biggest bitch about HD, Lowe's and big box stores is they seem to have put all the little local guys out of business. Well, they didn't put them out of business, we did. I miss my local hardware and lumber yards, particularly my favorite lumber yard, which always carried all grades of lumber but a step above the others at a slightly higher price. The main thing with them is if you don't pay attention, they will rip you off in a second. Some good stuff at good prices, some good stuff at bad prices, some bad stuff at bad prices. Lumber I guess is different at different locales. Mine has good construction grade stuff at reasonable prices. Any hardwood they sell is top of the line, but you need to take out a new mortgage to buy it. It's all S4S and I'd grade it #1 select, so it would be expensive no matter where you bought it. They don't have any other grade of hard wood. My understanding is that even reputable power tool companies (Bosch et al) make HD versions. EA's "understanding" (whatever that means...) is just wrong. Perhaps EA should research his "understandings" some. I dunno, I look at HD tools before I buy them off the net, and they certainly look the same. My last purchase was a Bosch angle drill. Looked and feels exactly like the one HD used to carry. I got it with $25 off and no taxes and free shipping, and no gas driving to HD. So I saved about $35-40 by buying via Amazon. I guess I'll be putting HD out of business, just like I put my local HW stores out of business:-( -- Jack You Can't Fix Stupid, but You Can Vote it Out! http://jbstein.com |
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"Jack Stein" wrote in message
... On 7/11/2011 10:00 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Jack Stein wrote: Also, my HD always has good lumber. The biggest problem I see is pricing. For example, they always sell 2x6's cheaper than the same grade of 1x6. At first, I thought it was a mistake, I even mentioned it to a sales guy once. It's been like this for at least a year or two, so it's on purpose. You're right Jack - HD does carry a lot of qualtity stuff - and not just lumber. From EA's few comments, it's pretty clear he just wants to rag on HD. His choice, but it doesn't make his comments meaningful. My biggest bitch about HD, Lowe's and big box stores is they seem to have put all the little local guys out of business. Well, they didn't put them out of business, we did. Yes indeed, ironically sad to say. I miss my local hardware and lumber yards, particularly my favorite lumber yard, which always carried all grades of lumber but a step above the others at a slightly higher price. The main thing with them is if you don't pay attention, they will rip you off in a second. Some good stuff at good prices, some good stuff at bad prices, some bad stuff at bad prices. And, poss. bad stuff at good prices.... Which at face value, leaves the consumer with a 75% chance of "losing the bet". Lumber I guess is different at different locales. Mine has good construction grade stuff at reasonable prices. Any hardwood they sell is top of the line, but you need to take out a new mortgage to buy it. It's all S4S and I'd grade it #1 select, so it would be expensive no matter where you bought it. They don't have any other grade of hard wood. My understanding is that even reputable power tool companies (Bosch et al) make HD versions. EA's "understanding" (whatever that means...) is just wrong. Perhaps EA should research his "understandings" some. I dunno, I look at HD tools before I buy them off the net, and they certainly look the same. My last purchase was a Bosch angle drill. Looked and feels exactly like the one HD used to carry. I got it with $25 off and no taxes and free shipping, and no gas driving to HD. So I saved about $35-40 by buying via Amazon. I guess I'll be putting HD out of business, just like I put my local HW stores out of business:-( Since the eco downturn, real estate bust, the Yonkers HD, which always had lines of enraged customers at minimally-staffed checkouts, now has mebbe 1/4 of the clientele it used to, even at peak hours. Now, checkout is 1/10 the hassle/drama it used to be. HD's initial predatory strategy was to drive everyone out of business -- or rather, have US drive everyone else out of business -- and then with us as virtual hostages, then close 1/2 their own stores, since we are essentially captive. They then *immediately* DOUBLE their bottom line -- predation at its finest. I don't know how this initial plan has unfolded, mebbe Lowe's has put a bit of a kabosh on that strategy. But, as a hoot, you should check out Charlie Rose's hour-long interview with HDs Bob Nardelli, archived on Charlie's super-excellent website charlierose.com. One of the most masterful pieces of bull**** you will EVER see or hear. He proclaimed HD to be a "savior" of modern Merkin cultchuh..... I swear to god..... He then sacked HD for $211 million..... LOL!!!! He's CEO of some other big Fortune 100, forgot which one. Sell yer stock..... -- EA -- Jack You Can't Fix Stupid, but You Can Vote it Out! http://jbstein.com |
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On 7/12/2011 8:46 PM, David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow" wrote, HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"? Yes, http://www.ryobitools.com/community/about_us Several years ago you could find the brand anywhere that sold power tools, Sears, private tool dealers etc. No. You can buy Ryobi at places other than HD although many are reconditioned and HD is the most common supplier. http://www.amazon.com/Ryobi-Tools-Ha...F8&node=699736 http://www.toolsnow.com/b/2569734011 http://www.cporyobi.com/on/demandwar...outletsRYOlogo |
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David Harmon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow" wrote, HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"? No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold. -- -Mike- |
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On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow" wrote, HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"? No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold. Sure about that? http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: David Harmon wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow" wrote, HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"? No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold. Sure about that? http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot There are Ryobi factory outlets but I believe those are the only places, at least in the US, where their tools are sold outside HD. |
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On 7/14/11 11:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, wrote: On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: David Harmon wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow" wrote, HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"? No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold. Sure about that? http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot There are Ryobi factory outlets but I believe those are the only places, at least in the US, where their tools are sold outside HD. I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere but it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with them now. It wasn't a "silly" question at all. Apparently Ryobi has licensed the name to a Chinese outfit, for every market except Japan. So if you want real Ryobi it seems you need to know someone in Japan. |
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-MIKE- wrote:
On 7/14/11 11:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:20:27 -0500, wrote: On 7/14/11 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: David Harmon wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow" wrote, HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"? No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold. Sure about that? http://www.ryobitools.com/where_to_buy/the_home_depot There are Ryobi factory outlets but I believe those are the only places, at least in the US, where their tools are sold outside HD. I believe the question was whether Ryobi was an exclusive brand for HD and it's clear that they are. From what I can tell, they sell refurbs in a few internet stores. They may have been sold retail elsewhere but it is quite clear that HD has an exclusive retail sales deal with them now. It wasn't a "silly" question at all. You are correct - it was a foolish answer - because it was incorrect. I stand corrected, and now I'm going over to the corner for 10 minutes... -- -Mike- |
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On 7/14/2011 10:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
David Harmon wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:00:45 -0400 in rec.woodworking, "Mike Marlow" wrote, HD does not have any tools or other products manufactured for them, other than exclusive labels. Is Ryobi an "exclusive label"? No - and that is a foolish question. Ryobi is available a lot of places besides HD. No Ryobi models are manufactured for HD- they are all standard models, available anywhere else Ryobi is sold. That used to be true. Can you tell me where else other than re-manufactured? I have not been able to locate a new retailer other than Home Depot. From the Ryobi web site, Today, Ryobi Power Tools offers you more pro feature, affordable power tools than ever, all backed by our 30-Day Satisfaction Guarantee and 2-Year Limited Warranty. We're proud to sell our tools exclusively through The Home Depot, where the values are unbeatable, the staff is knowledgeable and friendly - and you're just steps away from everything else you need to enjoy your Ryobi tools to the fullest. |
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