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The $4K Wood Shop
Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant planes. Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a personal enrichment hobby. The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425 Shipping 74 Planer Makita 2012NB 473 Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575 Shipping 139 Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350 Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190 Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371 Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77 Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84 Belt Sander UNDECIDED ??? Marking Gauge Rockler 21 Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160 Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17 Water Stones UNDECIDED Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12 Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12 Mineral Spirits 6 Total Current Cost: $3000 |
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The $4K Wood Shop
wrote in message ... Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant planes. Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a personal enrichment hobby. The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425 Shipping 74 Planer Makita 2012NB 473 Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575 Shipping 139 Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350 Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190 Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371 Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77 Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84 Belt Sander UNDECIDED ??? Marking Gauge Rockler 21 Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160 Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17 Water Stones UNDECIDED Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12 Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12 Mineral Spirits 6 Total Current Cost: $3000 Do you need a jointer? A lot of guys do without. And many who have them, don't use them that much. Much of a jointers job can be done on a table saw or with a router. |
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On Nov 9, 8:03*am, " wrote:
Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. *I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. *The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. *I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant planes. Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. *I want to develop a range of skills involving hand tools and power tools. *This is very much a personal enrichment hobby. The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. *Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? Bandsaw * * * * * * Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP * * * * * * * * * 425 * * * * * * * * * * Shipping * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 74 Planer * * * * * * *Makita 2012NB * * * * * * * * * * * * * 473 Shaper (Is a jointer although not for wide boards but edges, router table Lathe * * * * * * * JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch * * *350 Drill Press * * * * DELTA DP300L * * * * * * * * * * * * * *190 Dust Collection * * DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM * * * * * *371 Tenoning Jig * * * *Grizzly H7583 * * * * * * * * * * * * * *77 Dado Stack * * * * *Oshlun SDS-0842 * * * * * * * * * * * * *84 Belt Sander * * * * Makita 3 x 24 Marking Gauge * * * Rockler * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *21 Clamps * * * * * * *Bessey KRK2450 * * * * * * * * * * * * *160 Coping Saw * * * * *Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw * * * *17 Water Stones * * * *UNDECIDED Square * * * * * * *Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square * 12 Lubricating Paste * Minwax Paste Finishing Wax * * * * * * * 12 Mineral Spirits * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 Total Current Cost: $3000 Table saw? |
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On Nov 9, 8:39*am, Robatoy wrote:
On Nov 9, 8:03*am, " wrote: Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. *I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. *The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. *I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant planes. Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. *I want to develop a range of skills involving hand tools and power tools. *This is very much a personal enrichment hobby. The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. *Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? Bandsaw * * * * * * Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP * * * * * * * * * 425 * * * * * * * * * * Shipping * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 74 Planer * * * * * * *Makita 2012NB * * * * * * * * * * * * * 473 Shaper (Is a jointer although not for wide boards but edges, router table Lathe * * * * * * * JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch * * *350 Drill Press * * * * DELTA DP300L * * * * * * * * * * * * * *190 Dust Collection * * DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM * * * * * *371 Tenoning Jig * * * *Grizzly H7583 * * * * * * * * * * * * * *77 Dado Stack * * * * *Oshlun SDS-0842 * * * * * * * * * * * * *84 Belt Sander * * * * Makita 3 x 24 Marking Gauge * * * Rockler * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *21 Clamps * * * * * * *Bessey KRK2450 * * * * * * * * * * * * *160 Coping Saw * * * * *Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw * * * *17 Water Stones * * * *UNDECIDED Square * * * * * * *Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square * 12 Lubricating Paste * Minwax Paste Finishing Wax * * * * * * * 12 Mineral Spirits * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 Total Current Cost: $3000 Table saw? If your table saw is poor quality, look there first. IMHO |
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The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? CLIP You mentioned the "DELTA DP300L Drill Press." I would suggest either the floor model DELTA 17-950L or DP400 (discontinued?) or a Grizzly G7944 or G7948 machine. If you have three phase power in the shop, consider the G0521 drill press as it is a pretty amazing machine for the money with a quill stabilization notch and even self-reversing features for tapping holes (not likely needed in wood, but one never knows!) You can still get the "L" lazer add-on for the other DELTA machines but I'm not sure about the Grizzly. Here are links to the Grizzly machines: http://grizzly.com/products/12-Speed...ll-Press/G7944 http://grizzly.com/products/12-Speed...ll-Press/G7948 http://grizzly.com/products/12-Speed...ll-Press/G0521 Often times, people find they wish they had a larger drill press... Why not plan for one now at a few extra $$$? -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/ Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill TWITTER: http://twitter.com/AutoDrill FACEBOOK: http://tinyurl.com/AutoDrill-Facebook V8013-R |
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:03:09 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: Here's my $0.02. The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425 Shipping 74 Planer Makita 2012NB 473 Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575 Shipping 139 Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350 Pretty small if you get the bug. I have the non-VS version of the mini-lathe, but find I use the full size more (Jet 1236). Not heavily into turning though. Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190 Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371 Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77 Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84 Spend an extra $15 and get the Freud dado set. I bought one used a few years back, and liked it so much I bought one for my son for Christmas the following year. Terrific dado set for the money. $99 at the orange Borg, probably cheaper on Amazon. Belt Sander UNDECIDED ??? Marking Gauge Rockler 21 Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160 Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17 Water Stones UNDECIDED I realize money is no object in your case, but take a good look at Scarey Sharp. A buck's worth of glass at the thrift store and you can buy an awful lot of sandpaper for the cost of those waterstones. No flattening, soaking, etc. required. Buy a jig though. The $12 one everybody owns will do fine after you tune it. Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12 Get a Starrett and keep it in the plastic bag and cardboard box when not in use. This is your reference square. Get a second Starrett for daily use. I got a used one for $25 off the Bay, and it lives on the bench. Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12 Johnson's Paste Wax. Been around for almost 100 years. Works great. The Johnson company sponsored Fibber Magee and Molly for 20 years on the radio, and kept mint record copies of the shows in their vault for 50 years. They released these to the public domain back in the 80's so people could enjoy the shows. Some 700 episodes still exist, most in extremely good sound quality. They deserve to be supported for that act of generosity alone. Mineral Spirits 6 Total Current Cost: $3000 Rob suggested a Good table saw. I agree,. Put a Forrestt Woodworker-II on it. If you keep your old saw, still upgrade to the WW-II blade. |
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I second the **FLOOR STAND*** drill press. The table top one will always
take up resented room on a work table sowmwhere and collect chips. The prices are not much higher and deeper throats are easy to afford. "tiredofspam" nospam.nospam.com wrote in message ... snippage Drill press go to Tractor supply and get the full floor standing model. I paid 129 its now 169.. very good for the price. Not comercial quality but I consider it a good unit for the price. maybe replace the belts with linked belt. snippage On 11/9/2010 8:03 AM, wrote: Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant planes. Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a personal enrichment hobby. The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425 Shipping 74 Planer Makita 2012NB 473 Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575 Shipping 139 Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350 Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190 Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371 Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77 Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84 Belt Sander UNDECIDED ??? Marking Gauge Rockler 21 Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160 Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17 Water Stones UNDECIDED Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12 Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12 Mineral Spirits 6 Total Current Cost: $3000 |
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:03:09 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant planes. Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a personal enrichment hobby. The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Just remember that you'll grow into and out of machines as you work, and your workstyle can change drastically from what it is now, or is perceived to be in the near future. Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425 Shipping 74 Or larger, for resawing or cutting larger workpieces? Planer Makita 2012NB 473 Looks like a nice li'l planer. Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575 Shipping 139 G0586 is no longer made. Why not a nice spiral jobber? http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jo...terhead/G0656X Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350 If you ever turn table legs, you'll want something in a longer bed. Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190 A Griz floor model is much more handy and doesn't take up bench space, while taking up very little floor space. http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-S...ll-Press/G7944 Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371 Why not lower-maintenance, 2hp, 1,700cfm Griz? http://www.grizzly.com/products/2HP-...llector/G0548Z (I installed three new 240v 30a outlets in the shop for my new tools when I moved here. Total cost was a day of my time and less than $100 in materials.) Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77 Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84 Belt Sander UNDECIDED ??? 1" and 6" belts come in handy, as can oscillating sanders. Marking Gauge Rockler 21 Don't forget a striking knife. Cheapie: http://www.chipsfly.com/Merchant2/me...=W/PROD/34-330 or exotic: http://knight-toolworks.com/?page_id...3&product_id=3 (I have an original Knight, before he teamed up with Chester.) Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160 Add about 50 variously sized HF Pittsburgh bar clamps (about the same price on sale) and you'll have a shop's worth. Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17 Water Stones UNDECIDED 2x6" 600 and 1200 grit diamond plates, preferably DMT. and a handful of various finer grits of wetordry sandpaper for ScarySharp(tm)ening things. Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12 Precision squares are a better value. Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12 Briwax and Renaissance are much better. Mineral Spirits 6 Gallons of denatured alcohol, lacquer thinner, and acetone are always handy in the shop, too. $10 a pop, can last years and years. Total Current Cost: $3000 Congrats on your windfall and prospective new tool purchases! -- Education is when you read the fine print. Experience is what you get if you don't. -- Pete Seeger |
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On Nov 9, 8:03*am, " wrote:
Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. *I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. *The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. *I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant planes. Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. *I want to develop a range of skills involving hand tools and power tools. *This is very much a personal enrichment hobby. The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. *Any suggestions or comments on my selections below? Bandsaw * * * * * * Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP * * * * * * * * * 425 * * * * * * * * * * Shipping * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 74 Planer * * * * * * *Makita 2012NB * * * * * * * * * * * * * 473 Jointer * * * * * * Grizzly G0586 8” * * * * * * * * * * * *575 * * * * * * * * * * Shipping * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *139 Lathe * * * * * * * JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch * * *350 Drill Press * * * * DELTA DP300L * * * * * * * * * * * * * *190 Dust Collection * * DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM * * * * * *371 Tenoning Jig * * * *Grizzly H7583 * * * * * * * * * * * * * *77 Dado Stack * * * * *Oshlun SDS-0842 * * * * * * * * * * * * *84 Belt Sander * * * * UNDECIDED * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ??? Marking Gauge * * * Rockler * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *21 Clamps * * * * * * *Bessey KRK2450 * * * * * * * * * * * * *160 Coping Saw * * * * *Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw * * * *17 Water Stones * * * *UNDECIDED Square * * * * * * *Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square * 12 Lubricating Paste * Minwax Paste Finishing Wax * * * * * * * 12 Mineral Spirits * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 Total Current Cost: $3000 For $4000 you can get the Festool Kapex miter saw, a Festool vacuum, a Festool plunge cut saw and a Festool MFT work table...plus a few accessories - very few. On the bright side, you'll cut out 25 years of lusting after the stuff. A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a layout and figure out what you actually have room for. If you buy a tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll end up selling it for a loss. Tool collections should grow with capability. As your skills grow (which frequently occurs by learning to make do with what you have), you'll find that you will have very specific opinions on what is necessary, desirable and what are the features you require. That's something different than choosing tools from magazine reviews and the popularity contest that Amazon reviews are. R |
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On 11/9/2010 9:56 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350 Might as well budget for cutting tools while you are at it. Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190 Budget for (carbide) forstner bits? I agree with the suggestion you received to mostly let your projects guide some of your major purchases. Bill Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371 Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77 Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84 Belt Sander UNDECIDED ??? Marking Gauge Rockler 21 Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160 Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17 Water Stones UNDECIDED Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12 Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12 Mineral Spirits 6 Total Current Cost: $3000 |
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:56:27 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
wrote: A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a layout and figure out what you actually have room for. If you buy a tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll end up selling it for a loss. I missed the one-car size the first time. These are very good points. Make sure that anything and everything you get is on good casters, preferably locking. I have been using these for several years, and have 5 tools/carts rolling on them. They are excellent, and even on sale until late in the month. I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and two swivel in most cases. http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/200...1-191b86426ba7 Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/26vgc7b Tool collections should grow with capability. As your skills grow (which frequently occurs by learning to make do with what you have), you'll find that you will have very specific opinions on what is necessary, desirable and what are the features you require. That's something different than choosing tools from magazine reviews and the popularity contest that Amazon reviews are. R |
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On Nov 9, 11:26*am, Roy wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:56:27 -0800 (PST), RicodJour wrote: A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a layout and figure out what you actually have room for. *If you buy a tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll end up selling it for a loss. I missed the one-car size the first time. *These are very good points. *Make sure that anything and everything you get is on good casters, preferably locking. *I have been using these for several years, and have 5 tools/carts rolling on them. *They are excellent, and even on sale until late in the month. I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and two swivel in most cases. * Did you know that shopping carts in European supermarkets (and Borg equivalents) have four swivel casters? I couldn't count how many times have I've ohad to lift the fookin' back of the cart to move it out of the way of someone going by. The four swivels allow you to just push it in any direction. We certainly lag behind in some areas. R |
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On 11/9/2010 11:26 AM, Roy wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:56:27 -0800 (PST), wrote: A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a layout and figure out what you actually have room for. If you buy a tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll end up selling it for a loss. I missed the one-car size the first time. These are very good points. Make sure that anything and everything you get is on good casters, preferably locking. I have been using these for several years, and have 5 tools/carts rolling on them. They are excellent, and even on sale until late in the month. I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and two swivel in most cases. http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/200...1-191b86426ba7 Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/26vgc7b Tool collections should grow with capability. As your skills grow (which frequently occurs by learning to make do with what you have), you'll find that you will have very specific opinions on what is necessary, desirable and what are the features you require. That's something different than choosing tools from magazine reviews and the popularity contest that Amazon reviews are. R Wheels would be my main consideration for major items. Don't make your work area inflexible by installing equipment and work benches that can not be moved. I only have one fixed bench, everything else is on wheels. If you have a project where you are cutting many parts on the table saw, you can arrange your work space such that you have a workbench close to the saw so you can pick up lay down without a lot of movement. If you need an extension of the table saw move the bench to be an out feed for the saw. If you are working on a large project and need a lot of floor space every thing but what you are working on moves to the side. One thing I did not do was put the correct wheels on my benches. You would be surprised what a loaded workbench weighs. Over a couple of years the hard rubber one tend to get a flat spot which makes them hard to move. Go for cast iron or equivalent. |
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"knuttle" wrote in message ... I believe you are missing a rafter square which is a solid metal triangle with a wide edge such as the Empire 7 In. Magnum Fat Boy Aluminum Rafter Square at Home Depot. I find this tool to be invaluable in setting things up when working on the table saw, drill press, checking the square of you small assemblies, etc. While most people will say it should not happen these squares are sturdy enough to survive being wiped from the bench onto the floor and not have its accuracy effected. Hope it is more square than a Speedsquare. Never got ahold of one of them that was square. |
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On Nov 9, 7:31*am, "Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net wrote: Do you need a jointer? *A lot of guys do without. And many who have them, don't use them that much. *Much of a jointers job can be done on a table saw or with a router. After doing without for several years I bought a Grizzly 8 inch. It is the least-used tool in the shop. All I use it for is prep. All it does is give me a set of boards flat on one side with a dependable right angle on one edge. I consider it perhaps not the very best tool investment I ever made, but certainly in the top ten. Just because it turns the prep work into an afternoon instead of a day or two, and just because it's so nice when everything's milled right. I got along without it for a long time, and it sits idle for long periods but every time I use it I feel like I got my money's worth. I've spent more money to get less satisfaction on quite a few other purchases. That said, I waited till I had the money and I knew of several places where I could get rough cut air dried lumber. Being able to mill any old board I brought into the shop was worth quite a bit to me. Your mileage might vary, but I wouldn't get rid of mine unless I was replacing it with a bigger and better one. :-) |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:03:27 -0500, knuttle wrote:
One thing I did not do was put the correct wheels on my benches. You would be surprised what a loaded workbench weighs. Over a couple of years the hard rubber one tend to get a flat spot which makes them hard to move. Go for cast iron or equivalent. I put wheels under my workbench, but then jacked it up and rested it on a 4x4 (or maybe a 6x6) at each end. No weight on the wheels and the bench is steadier as well. Since I move the bench at most once a year that works out well. It might be a PITA if you move your bench frequently. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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suggestions or comments on my selections below? 1. I would look at the Grizzly dust collection and see if you can get some more suck for the same or similar buck. 2. I don't see an air compressor or any guns listed. I'd say a Harbor Freight $150 air compressor. A few reels of hose from HF also and some fittings. Setup 2 or 3 outlets at different points in the shop. and a few quality staple and brad nailers. I have a bostich 18 gague nailer, no oil 2" to 5/8" and it has never jambed once. Use it weekly. 3. I like the Dewalt 735 MUCH better than the Makita or any of the planers of that design style. It is just a really great workhorse |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:03:09 -0800, wrote:
Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350 A couple of suggestions. The Rikon mini is about the same price, but has a 12" swing and 16" between centers and, IMNSHO, an easier belt change. http://www.rikontools.com/productpage_70-100.htm The next step up, and what I now use in my small shop, is the General 25-200 Maxi-lathe VS. It has variable speed, a swivel head, a 12" swing inboard and a 19" swing outboard. 17" between centers. http://www.general.ca/site_general/g_produits/lathe/25-200.html Whatever you get, be aware that the cost of tools and accessories often exceeds the cost of the lathe, especially on the lower priced lathes. Here's what the local turners club suggests for tools. http://www.inwwoodturners.com/contro...20Woodturners% 20Beginners%20Tool%20List.pdf -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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On 11/9/2010 6:41 AM, Robatoy wrote:
On Nov 9, 8:39 am, wrote: On Nov 9, 8:03 am, wrote: Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), clipped If your table saw is poor quality, look there first. IMHO Ditto that. I had a Crapsman TS and upgraded to a Delta. I thought the Crapsman was adequate until I got the Delta. The difference was simply astonishing. |
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RicodJour wrote:
.... Did you know that shopping carts in European supermarkets (and Borg equivalents) have four swivel casters? I couldn't count how many times have I've ohad to lift the fookin' back of the cart to move it out of the way of someone going by. The four swivels allow you to just push it in any direction. We certainly lag behind in some areas. .... So are the luggage carts at the various terminals. Nothing worse than trying to control one of them *******ly things going down a ramp w/ the four bloody wheels all trying to go a different direction simultaneously... Different but certainly not better (or as fit for purpose)... -- |
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:03:27 -0500, knuttle wrote: One thing I did not do was put the correct wheels on my benches. You would be surprised what a loaded workbench weighs. Over a couple of years the hard rubber one tend to get a flat spot which makes them hard to move. Go for cast iron or equivalent. I put wheels under my workbench, but then jacked it up and rested it on a 4x4 (or maybe a 6x6) at each end. No weight on the wheels and the bench is steadier as well. Since I move the bench at most once a year that works out well. It might be a PITA if you move your bench frequently. The solution to both is to build the caster assembly to pivot w/ a lever arm... -- |
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wrote: Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant planes. Be sure to "take inventory" and double check that your electrical and/or lighting configuration is adequate for your plans. For instance, is 220v power available/desirable for your next table saw? Personally, I've been working on these things as I collect tools. I can repost or try to provide links to some detailed suggestions I received if you are interested. Bill |
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Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the
other end of the workbench / table? This would avoid flat tires, rolling problems and mechanisms to lower the wheels. "dpb" wrote in message ... The solution to both is to build the caster assembly to pivot w/ a lever arm... Larry Blanchard wrote: On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:03:27 -0500, knuttle wrote: One thing I did not do was put the correct wheels on my benches. You would be surprised what a loaded workbench weighs. Over a couple of years the hard rubber one tend to get a flat spot which makes them hard to move. Go for cast iron or equivalent. I put wheels under my workbench, but then jacked it up and rested it on a 4x4 (or maybe a 6x6) at each end. No weight on the wheels and the bench is steadier as well. Since I move the bench at most once a year that works out well. It might be a PITA if you move your bench frequently. -- |
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On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the other end of the workbench / table? http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 11/9/2010 12:04 PM, CW wrote:
wrote in message ... I believe you are missing a rafter square which is a solid metal triangle with a wide edge such as the Empire 7 In. Magnum Fat Boy Aluminum Rafter Square at Home Depot. I find this tool to be invaluable in setting things up when working on the table saw, drill press, checking the square of you small assemblies, etc. While most people will say it should not happen these squares are sturdy enough to survive being wiped from the bench onto the floor and not have its accuracy effected. Hope it is more square than a Speedsquare. Never got ahold of one of them that was square. I don't know what mine is but it is "square". I have used it for years setting up the table say to cut the miters on picture frames, where you have 8 cuts in the 4 corners. |
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On 11/9/2010 1:00 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 11/9/2010 6:41 AM, Robatoy wrote: On Nov 9, 8:39 am, wrote: On Nov 9, 8:03 am, wrote: Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends, lumber, and anything that I may have missed. My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and miter saw (both poor quality), clipped If your table saw is poor quality, look there first. IMHO Ditto that. I had a Crapsman TS and upgraded to a Delta. I thought the Crapsman was adequate until I got the Delta. The difference was simply astonishing. For the original poster. You said you have an older table saw, but you gave no details. Don't confuse the comments on the recent Craftsman table saws with the 10" Craftsman saws of the 50's and 60's. If you do it is like comparing a Walmart special to a Delta. If you have a 50's or 60's table saw it will serve your purpose and probably have less plastic than the current expensive saws. I have a 1968 10" Craftsman table saw that I inherited. My father inlaw was going to a lot of woodworking and bought the best they had. I aligned it once, and have not had to make any adjustments since. Do have to keep a good coat of wax on the cast iron top, but it looks like new. |
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"RicodJour" wrote in message ... On Nov 9, 11:26 am, Roy wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:56:27 -0800 (PST), RicodJour wrote: A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a layout and figure out what you actually have room for. If you buy a tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll end up selling it for a loss. I missed the one-car size the first time. These are very good points. Make sure that anything and everything you get is on good casters, preferably locking. I have been using these for several years, and have 5 tools/carts rolling on them. They are excellent, and even on sale until late in the month. I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and two swivel in most cases. Did you know that shopping carts in European supermarkets (and Borg equivalents) have four swivel casters? I couldn't count how many times have I've ohad to lift the fookin' back of the cart to move it out of the way of someone going by. The four swivels allow you to just push it in any direction. We certainly lag behind in some areas. R While 4 swivel wheels is ok for moving out of the way when parked I absolutely hate the 4 swivel carts then actually trying to go some where with one. They tend to go where they want to go rather than where you want them to go. |
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On Nov 9, 8:25*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message On Nov 9, 11:26 am, Roy wrote: I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and two swivel in most cases. Did you know that shopping carts in European supermarkets (and Borg equivalents) have four swivel casters? *I couldn't count how many times have I've *ohad to lift the fookin' back of the cart to move it out of the way of someone going by. *The four swivels allow you to just push it in any direction. *We certainly lag behind in some areas. While 4 swivel wheels is ok for moving out of the way when parked I absolutely hate the 4 swivel carts then actually trying to go some where with one. *They tend to go where they want to go rather than where you want them to go. Hmmm, you're one of those guys who drives between the lines on the road, ain't ya? Where's the creativity and challenge in that? R |
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On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote:
gave it up with; On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote: Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the other end of the workbench / table? http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg :-) ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it. Interested persons are triangulating. cHips I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 11/9/2010 9:15 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote: gave it up with; On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote: Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the other end of the workbench / table? http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg :-) ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it. Interested persons are triangulating. cHips I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about. I think this guy is to Josepi what Dennis is to Rob... -- See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad! To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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On 11/9/10 10:06 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
On 11/9/2010 9:15 PM, -MIKE- wrote: On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote: gave it up with; On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote: Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the other end of the workbench / table? http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg :-) ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it. Interested persons are triangulating. cHips I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about. I think this guy is to Josepi what Dennis is to Rob... Hmmm.... ok. But maybe if Dennis had his own Dennis. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
... On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote: Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the other end of the workbench / table? http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg :-) Got a problem with that one drawer, doncha ... -- If your name is No, I voted for you - more than once ... |
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On 11/10/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
Got a problem with that one drawer, doncha ... ROTFL .... just hate it when a drawer follows you out the door! That was funny ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 11/09/2010 11:30 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/9/10 10:06 PM, Steve Turner wrote: On 11/9/2010 9:15 PM, -MIKE- wrote: On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote: gave it up with; On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote: Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the other end of the workbench / table? http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg :-) ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it. Interested persons are triangulating. cHips I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about. I think this guy is to Josepi what Dennis is to Rob... Hmmm.... ok. But maybe if Dennis had his own Dennis. :-) Yeah, that's probably a more accurate assessment... Geez, every day I become more keenly aware of how precious little time we have to live our lives to the fullest. What a sad existence it must be to waste so much of it stalking other people on the internet. -- Free bad advice available here. To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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On 11/10/10 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message ... On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote: Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the other end of the workbench / table? http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg :-) Got a problem with that one drawer, doncha ... Yeah... :-) Did.... I pounded a couple indents into the backs of the rails so the wheels drop down and hold. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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