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Just got a planer... Anything I should know?
I just purchased the DeWalt 735 planer last night, and read over the
manual. Operation seems easy enough, and in practice has been. I managed to get some snipe on a board and then almost eliminate it by supporting the board more. Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? I've never used a planer before, and while operation seems simple enough, I don't want to miss something important. It's amazing what comes out of the planer. This nasty looking piece of wood goes in, and something beautiful comes out. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? I've never used a planer before, and while operation seems simple enough, I don't want to miss something important. Plane only clean wood with not nails, brads, or screws in it. They can nick the blades. Or so I'm told, I'd never do that, of course, but a guy that lives on my street missed a nail once. |
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Plane only clean wood with not nails, brads, or screws in it. ...
I'll add to that.. no paint or finishes either... You wouldn't think it but it will completely dull your plades ina couple of passes. -Steve |
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When they say those blase are disposable.. don't beleive them. They can be
honed for reuse several times of they just dull and not severely chipped. Build a jig to hold the blade at a microbevel and they can be "scary sharpened". -Steve |
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On Apr 11, 7:28*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
I just purchased the DeWalt 735 planer last night, and read over the manual. *Operation seems easy enough, and in practice has been. *I managed to get some snipe on a board and then almost eliminate it by supporting the board more. Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? *I've never used a planer before, and while operation seems simple enough, I don't want to miss something important. It's amazing what comes out of the planer. *This nasty looking piece of wood goes in, and something beautiful comes out. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. Never plane anything less than 12" long. I learned the hard way. |
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On Apr 11, 5:28*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
I just purchased the DeWalt 735 planer last night, and read over the manual. *Operation seems easy enough, and in practice has been. *I managed to get some snipe on a board and then almost eliminate it by supporting the board more. Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? *I've never used a planer before, and while operation seems simple enough, I don't want to miss something important. It's amazing what comes out of the planer. *This nasty looking piece of wood goes in, and something beautiful comes out. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. Either get the DeWalt in/outfeed tables or build your own. In recent testing, that was the ONE shortcoming in an otherwise GREAT planer. Once PROPERLY supported, the 735 took Best of Breed. So ... congratulations on a great purchase !! |
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Neil Brooks wrote in
: Either get the DeWalt in/outfeed tables or build your own. In recent testing, that was the ONE shortcoming in an otherwise GREAT planer. Once PROPERLY supported, the 735 took Best of Breed. So ... congratulations on a great purchase !! How does infeed/outfeed table length affect the size of what can be planed? If I extend the table, say 12", does that mean I can handle a board 18" longer without fear of snipe? I've got some melamine covered MDF that's waiting to be made in to feed tables. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. |
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"C & S" wrote in
: Plane only clean wood with not nails, brads, or screws in it. ... I'll add to that.. no paint or finishes either... You wouldn't think it but it will completely dull your plades ina couple of passes. -Steve I didn't think about the finishes. It makes sense, though. After seeing how fast some of the sand paper gummed up cleaning polyurethane, I'd hate to have something similiar happen to the knives. Thanks! Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message ... I just purchased the DeWalt 735 planer last night, and read over the manual. Operation seems easy enough, and in practice has been. I managed to get some snipe on a board and then almost eliminate it by supporting the board more. Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? I've never used a planer before, and while operation seems simple enough, I don't want to miss something important. It's amazing what comes out of the planer. This nasty looking piece of wood goes in, and something beautiful comes out. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. Don't be suprised when you start to see ridges in the out put results. That is normal and your planer has settled into being a thicknesser as opposed to a short lived thicknesser and finisher. You need to sand afterwards anyway. |
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On Apr 11, 12:02*pm, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
Neil Brooks wrote : Either get the DeWalt in/outfeed tables or build your own. In recent testing, that was the ONE shortcoming in an otherwise GREAT planer. Once PROPERLY supported, the 735 took Best of Breed. So ... congratulations on a great purchase !! How does infeed/outfeed table length affect the size of what can be planed? *If I extend the table, say 12", does that mean I can handle a board 18" longer without fear of snipe? a) Snipe isn't something to be feared. It's simply a force to be reckoned with; b) Without getting a $20,000 planer, some degree of snipe is a virtual certainty; c) The in/outfeed tables just give you a better way to level the incoming and outgoing board, REDUCING snipe; d) By way of BLATANT copyright infringement, I am reproducing -- without permission -- the results of the recent benchtop planer test, showing you how the 735 stacks up, and -- most specifically -- the difference between its snipe WITH and WITHOUT auxiliary in/out tables: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WVVYjLCNo2w/S8.../s512/scan.jpg |
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Puckdropper wrote:
.... I didn't think about the finishes. It makes sense, though. After seeing how fast some of the sand paper gummed up cleaning polyurethane, I'd hate to have something similiar happen to the knives. .... Other than heavy coats of enamel or other hard finishes it'll make little difference--varnishes, etc., are much softer than the wood itself and don't abrade the surface to create heat, etc., in the way the friction of sandpaper does. That said, large volumes of surfaced material will make some difference but other than the old paint, not so much as to be such a major issue. But, as a matter of course, if I have old material to clean up (and I reuse a tremendous amount of recycled/reclaimed material) I keep an old set of knives for the purpose as opposed to a finish set for fine work. -- |
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dpb wrote:
.... Other than heavy coats of enamel or other hard finishes it'll make little difference--varnishes, etc., are much softer than the wood itself and don't abrade the surface to create heat, etc., in the way the friction of sandpaper does. .... Dangit, that was supposed to read "...and [planer knives cut rather than] abrade the surface ..." but somehow lost my intended edit... -- |
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On Apr 11, 9:37*am, GarageWoodworks
wrote: Never plane anything less than 12" long. *I learned the hard way. Even when I cheat -- like, last night -- and carpet tape shorter pieces onto a carrier board -- every ONCE in a great while ... you WILL get an exploding short board. It's not cool. Nuh-uh. Not cool at all :-O |
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Neil Brooks wrote:
On Apr 11, 9:37 am, GarageWoodworks wrote: Never plane anything less than 12" long. I learned the hard way. Even when I cheat -- like, last night -- and carpet tape shorter pieces onto a carrier board -- ... "Trick" is to follow the shorter piece immediately w/ a longer piece of same thickness so the infeed roller doesn't fall of the end of the short one...still, shouldn't ever be shorter than distance between outfeed and infeed. -- |
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On Apr 11, 1:55*pm, dpb wrote:
Neil Brooks wrote: On Apr 11, 9:37 am, GarageWoodworks wrote: Never plane anything less than 12" long. *I learned the hard way. Even when I cheat -- like, last night -- and carpet tape shorter pieces onto a carrier board -- ... "Trick" is to follow the shorter piece immediately w/ a longer piece of same thickness so the infeed roller doesn't fall of the end of the short one...still, shouldn't ever be shorter than distance between outfeed and infeed. I did that, even. It was weird. I had them carpet taped, front and back, too. Sides and ends to a jewelry box. Laid them out in alternating order, atop a long piece of oak. Ends were touching, board to board. Brrrrrrr.... BANG! Don't you HATE it when that happens ?? |
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On Apr 11, 7:28*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? Don't try to run an end-grain butcher block through it. |
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Neil Brooks wrote:
On Apr 11, 1:55 pm, dpb wrote: .... "Trick" is to follow the shorter piece immediately w/ a longer piece of same thickness so the infeed roller doesn't fall of the end of the short one...still, shouldn't ever be shorter than distance between outfeed and infeed. I did that, even. It was weird. I had them carpet taped, front and back, too. Sides and ends to a jewelry box. Laid them out in alternating order, atop a long piece of oak. Ends were touching, board to board. Brrrrrrr.... BANG! Don't you HATE it when that happens ?? I certainly would if it ever did...maybe I'm not pushing the envelope enough, but in 40-yrs never had it happen. I've never used the tape for the purpose but I'd wonder if the tape wouldn't be a potential culprit--if it didn't go entire length perhaps would compress an end or perhaps might compress, anyway, not sure... I also can't address whether the lunchbox guys are more or less prone to the problem than an old industrial as I've never had anything less... -- |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message ... I just purchased the DeWalt 735 planer last night, and read over the manual. Operation seems easy enough, and in practice has been. I managed to get some snipe on a board and then almost eliminate it by supporting the board more. Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? I've never used a planer before, and while operation seems simple enough, I don't want to miss something important. It's amazing what comes out of the planer. This nasty looking piece of wood goes in, and something beautiful comes out. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. One idea I haven't read here yet is for figured woods. Birds eye, squirrely grained wood or any wood where you see a lot of tearout. Wet (dampen) the surface of the wood with a sponge and let it sit for a minute. Now when you plane it, the tearout will be minimized or be totally gone. Don't make a second pass without re-dampening the wood first. After you're done, unplug and wipe down the bed and rollers just in case you used to much water. Try it on some scraps, you'll get a feel for how much water and how long to let it sit before running it thru. There are a lot more tips and hints and most can be found via Google and search back thru the forums. Bob S. |
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: Don't be suprised when you start to see ridges in the out put results. That is normal and your planer has settled into being a thicknesser as opposed to a short lived thicknesser and finisher. You need to sand afterwards anyway. Shucks... I was enjoying the silky smooth output. Will the effect return with a new set of blades? I wouldn't replace the blades to get this effect, just curious. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message ... Neil Brooks wrote in : Either get the DeWalt in/outfeed tables or build your own. In recent testing, that was the ONE shortcoming in an otherwise GREAT planer. Once PROPERLY supported, the 735 took Best of Breed. So ... congratulations on a great purchase !! How does infeed/outfeed table length affect the size of what can be planed? If I extend the table, say 12", does that mean I can handle a board 18" longer without fear of snipe? I've got some melamine covered MDF that's waiting to be made in to feed tables. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. I put my Delta 12" onto a rolling stand, about 30" or so tall. Gravity held the portable planer in place, so it was portable. V-shaped 1X1 blocks held it in position on the top, however. The planer had small metal infeed and outfeed tables, which remained in place and between them and the planer itself, filled the top of the rolling table. On the infeed and outfeed ends of the rolling table, I built drop leaf extensions with horizontally mounted boards, about 1" apart that brought the leafs to exactly the infeed/outfeed table heights. For most work, the Delta setup with the factory, metal, infeed and outfeed tables was fine. For longer work, however, I could snap the two leaves up and they'd add another 24" or so to the existing 6" Delta tables. It worked great and by not having the leaves with a flat surface, the slots permitted chips to fall aside so the height didn't change. -- Nonny Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.' -Mark Twain .. |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote in : Don't be suprised when you start to see ridges in the out put results. That is normal and your planer has settled into being a thicknesser as opposed to a short lived thicknesser and finisher. You need to sand afterwards anyway. Shucks... I was enjoying the silky smooth output. Will the effect return with a new set of blades? I wouldn't replace the blades to get this effect, just curious. Puckdropper Yes, it will. I have a Delta two speed and thought it was fantastic for finishing. Until I got some wear on the blades. Still a good finish, but far from the final finish. |
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"Nonny" wrote: I put my Delta 12" onto a rolling stand, about 30" or so tall. snip Here is a neat design for a mobile planer stand in a crowded shop. http://tinyurl.com/y6jyrl4 Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
... "Nonny" wrote: I put my Delta 12" onto a rolling stand, about 30" or so tall. snip Here is a neat design for a mobile planer stand in a crowded shop. http://tinyurl.com/y6jyrl4 Lew Pretty slick. I can see using similar for a CMS, or bench top DP. With a bit of jiggery poker, maybe the same stand ... |
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Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in
: *snip* Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? I've never used a planer before, and while operation seems simple enough, I don't want to miss something important. *snip* Puckdropper Hey, did you guys know the exhaust really blows? I put a hose on the output and directed it in to a 5 gallon bucket. Then, I ran a board through... Those planer shavings are just like confetti! I had no idea directing the output to a can like that was such a bad idea! No wonder the home made chip collectors all had covered cans. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote Hey, did you guys know the exhaust really blows? I put a hose on the output and directed it in to a 5 gallon bucket. Then, I ran a board through... Those planer shavings are just like confetti! I had no idea directing the output to a can like that was such a bad idea! No wonder the home made chip collectors all had covered cans. I bought my planer one day, then bought the dust collector the next day. |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote in : Don't be suprised when you start to see ridges in the out put results. That is normal and your planer has settled into being a thicknesser as opposed to a short lived thicknesser and finisher. You need to sand afterwards anyway. Shucks... I was enjoying the silky smooth output. Will the effect return with a new set of blades? I wouldn't replace the blades to get this effect, just curious. Yes the finish will return with new knives and or resharpened knives. This is not unique to your planer however all planers have this problem. Keep in mind that planers are not finishers, they are thicknessers. To worry about the out put quality is a waste of time. Any thing can and will nick the knives however that does not take away from what the machine was designed to do. As with any material it needs to be scraped or sanded prior to applying a finish. Those ridges will disappear during that process. |
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On Apr 11, 4:56*am, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? * Here is a cabinet shop trick. If you are ripping stock for face frames or have other similar sticks and want them all exact same widths, group them up and lay them on their side and plane them all to the same width. |
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On Apr 12, 5:30*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote : *snip* Is there anything I should know before I get going too far? *I've never used a planer before, and while operation seems simple enough, I don't want to miss something important. *snip* Puckdropper Hey, did you guys know the exhaust really blows? *I put a hose on the output and directed it in to a 5 gallon bucket. *Then, I ran a board through... *Those planer shavings are just like confetti! *I had no idea directing the output to a can like that was such a bad idea! No wonder the home made chip collectors all had covered cans. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. When you are ready to sharpen your blades don't waste your money on "experts" and do it yourself. Scroll down to "Planer/Jointer Sharpening" for a cool video on a DIY jig. http://www.garagewoodworks.com/video.php **No it won't remove large nicks, but I also don't plane wood with nails in them. |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... Yes the finish will return with new knives and or resharpened knives. This is not unique to your planer however all planers have this problem. Keep in mind that planers are not finishers, they are thicknessers. To worry about the out put quality is a waste of time. Any thing can and will nick the knives however that does not take away from what the machine was designed to do. As with any material it needs to be scraped or sanded prior to applying a finish. Those ridges will disappear during that process. I don't know how others tell when it's time to sharpen planer blades, but my technique was to gently pass my hand over a planed board. If it felt smooth, the blades were OK. If it felt rough or had cross-grain ruts, then it was time for sharp blades. I never worried much about nicks in the blades, since shifting the knives a tad would wipe them out and I always made a second pass when I'd reached the final thickness, anyway. To understand the ruts, just think about how the planer knives come down, plunge into the wood, go with the grain and then lift out the chip as the head rotates. If the knives are not sharp, they bounce against the wood or bludgeon their way into it. -- Nonny Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.' -Mark Twain .. |
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"Nonny" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote in message ... Yes the finish will return with new knives and or resharpened knives. This is not unique to your planer however all planers have this problem. Keep in mind that planers are not finishers, they are thicknessers. To worry about the out put quality is a waste of time. Any thing can and will nick the knives however that does not take away from what the machine was designed to do. As with any material it needs to be scraped or sanded prior to applying a finish. Those ridges will disappear during that process. I don't know how others tell when it's time to sharpen planer blades, but my technique was to gently pass my hand over a planed board. If it felt smooth, the blades were OK. If it felt rough or had cross-grain ruts, then it was time for sharp blades. You need to sharpen the knives when you start to get excess tear out and or the shavings start to have dust mixed in. I never worried much about nicks in the blades, since shifting the knives a tad would wipe them out and I always made a second pass when I'd reached the final thickness, anyway. Still a waste of time IMHO, finish sanding solves the problem. Unless you are skipping the final sanding... OMG! To understand the ruts, just think about how the planer knives come down, plunge into the wood, go with the grain and then lift out the chip as the head rotates. If the knives are not sharp, they bounce against the wood or bludgeon their way into it. If you are talking about the ridges that run across the board a slower feed rate normally takes care of that. When I am running faster feed rates I get the "ruts" but that is going to happen even with brand new blades. Slowing down to 16 fpm makes the surface good enough for finish sanding. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote Hey, did you guys know the exhaust really blows? I put a hose on the output and directed it in to a 5 gallon bucket. Then, I ran a board through... Those planer shavings are just like confetti! I had no idea directing the output to a can like that was such a bad idea! No wonder the home made chip collectors all had covered cans. I bought my planer one day, then bought the dust collector the next day. I used a lunch box planer from 1988 till about 2004 and never used dust collection. I often lost the dog, a chocolate Lab, under the pile of shavings. The new stationary planer had a DC added in 2005. |
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"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message ... Never teach your apprentice everything you know. When you are ready to sharpen your blades don't waste your money on "experts" and do it yourself. Scroll down to "Planer/Jointer Sharpening" for a cool video on a DIY jig. http://www.garagewoodworks.com/video.php **No it won't remove large nicks, but I also don't plane wood with nails in them. A dirty board will nick a knife... But I agree with sharpening yourself, if nothing else it saves down time. |
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When you are ready to sharpen your blades don't waste your money on
"experts" and do it yourself.... I'd just like to second that. I use a similar setup and I can sharpen a pair of blades faster than it takes to drive 8 miles one-way to the "local expert" who does a so-so job. I'll add that my jig is *way* more primative than the one shown in the video. Brian has a sweet little jig, but you get by with way less effort than that. My simplifications a * Just a well-fitted slot (TS kerf) rather than clips and brads * No roller. I let the heel slide on my bench next to my granite sink cutout * No height adjustment. The same bevel angle seems to work fine for both my jointer and planer. * I Free-hand the back of the bevel at the bech grinder so I'm really only sandpapering the microbevel -Steve |
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