On Mar 28, 2:00*pm, Larry Jaques wrote:


[snip]

Some companies just don't need to advertise on TV, guys.


You still here?

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:34:16 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2010-03-28, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Try reading. Propper quotations would also be nice.

Gee, I made a mistake. Please, don't cry.

No, your mother made the mistake.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:00:25 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

On 3/28/2010 2:50 PM, ChairMan wrote:
In ,
zzzzzzzzzzspewed forth:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:15:23 GMT, wrote:

On 2010-03-28, wrote:

Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one
time.

Likewise, and this was 40 yrs ago. Me jes discharged from USAF and a
friend wanting me to see the Canadian side of the falls (some
island). It was awesome, BTW.

consume. Seen better dressed and better appearing gas pump jocks
than what passes for customs American side. Canada customs, OTOH,
are always smartly dressed, etc.

Again, likewise. Going into CD, officials were curt, but
non-threatening and totally professional. Coming back to US, total
jerks w/ 'tude. Hassled us just for kicks. The car tossing taking 2
hrs due to me moving, car loaded to roof from USAF base in TN to home
in CA. Not much to be proud of on my side.

shrug I found exactly the opposite on the Quebec borDER. They
were such a PITA that it was easier to go around Quebec and cross at
Cornwall, ON.

What do you expect from the french?spit
Hell, even real Canucks don't like the frenchg

Hey, the Quebec border guards the few times I've crossed have been quite
nice eye candy with good manners. Maybe they just have a thing for old
guys on bikes.

They were more like old dykes.

On Mar 28, 4:37*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:34:16 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2010-03-28, wrote:

Try reading. *Propper quotations would also be nice.

Gee, I made a mistake. *Please, don't cry.

No, your mother made the mistake.

Now we are down to mothers?

How about fathers? (Assuming you knew yours.)

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:11:44 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

On Mar 28, 4:37*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:34:16 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2010-03-28, wrote:

Try reading. *Propper quotations would also be nice.

Gee, I made a mistake. *Please, don't cry.

No, your mother made the mistake.

Now we are down to mothers?

Apparently. You've been here since the year of the flood.

How about fathers? (Assuming you knew yours.)

You really aren't very bright.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:46:41 -0500, the infamous
" scrawled the
following:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:38:48 -0400, Nova wrote:

Upscale wrote:

snip


Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one time. Guy
asked if I bought anything and I told him the truth: nothing I didn't
consume.


Probably would have been easier for you if you had declared
*something*. I have no doubt that border guards are chosen partially
because they have a suspicious nature.

Over the years I found that the border guards expect a simple yes/no
answer to their questions. They don't seem to appreciate ANY attempts at
humor.

You got that right. SWMBO giggled once when the Canuck side guard asked if we
were bringing in weapons or more than $10K in cash. She thought the idea of
carrying $10K was funny. Perhaps, but that was no place for humor.

"Well, sir, we have lots of weapons now and will be bringing back well
over $10k in cash on the way back. Thanks for asking. You guys are so
cheerful and polite!"

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:28:30 -0700 (PDT), the infamous Robatoy
scrawled the following:

On Mar 28, 2:00*pm, Larry Jaques wrote:


[snip]

Some companies just don't need to advertise on TV, guys.


You still here?

???

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-

ChairMan wrote:
In ,
Ed Pawlowski spewed forth:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote
I don't object to drug manufacturers advertising; however, I do
object to drug manufacturers lobbying the end user market via TV to
pressure the medical professionals to prescribe their drugs.

They want to advertise, fine, advertise directly to the medical
professionals, not the medically untrained as they presently do.

Obviously, that is the intent of the advertising, but consumers have
an obligation to themselves to know what medication is available.
Doctors do make errors, miss a diagnosis, prescribe the wrong
medication, etc.. Good doctors welcome discussion of their treatment
as does the patient deserve to know all the options available.

Just as important, without advertising, I'd not know what to do with
an erection lasting more that four hours. Used to be I'd just invite
some friends and neighbors (female) over to enjoy it with me and get
some use out of it. I was wrong, I guess.

Ring toss, anyone?g

Screw that - HORSESHOES!!!

--

-Mike-

"Upscale" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:21:19 -0700, "LDosser"
Not at all. They used to spend their three days with me while on tool
buying
expeditions.

Which is an excellent example of the pricing I mentioned in a previous
message. Retailers and wholesalers in the US don't hesitate to raise
prices and gouge whoever they can, including your drug companies and
their over priced drugs.

Take Festool for example. A $1279 Domino and CT22 vacuum package in
the US is priced at $1700 in Canada. And prices like that are mandated
by Festool, doesn't matter that our money is almost on par.

You think Festool dictates the retail price on a country by country basis?


The only difference here is that we can manufacture necessary drugs,
can't do the same with products like Festool's.

I find that hard to believe. Isn't General made in Canada? Then there's
Veritas.

You continually cry
about how Canada undercuts US drug prices. What's much more likely is
that your drug prices are seriously overpriced in the first place. And
that's called greed.


Oh, we know that. We just get fed up with subsidizing the rest of the world.

"Upscale" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:32:02 -0700, "LDosser"
wrote:

Don't they still allow you a certain amount if you stay three days?

I think so, but I wouldn't be doing very much if I did stay and then
there's lodging and food costs on top of it all. And0, health
considerations would make it difficult for me.

Hell, a road trip of a little more than half a day isn't so bad. I
have a good friend who will drive me down and back with me picking all
the costs. I haven't experienced a road trip with a buddy for a long,
long time. It would be fun and it's a good thirty years since I've
been in the US.

Enjoy your trip and your stay!

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 3/28/2010 7:38 AM, Nova wrote:
Upscale wrote:

snip


Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one time.
Guy asked if I bought anything and I told him the truth: nothing I
didn't consume.


Probably would have been easier for you if you had declared
*something*. I have no doubt that border guards are chosen partially
because they have a suspicious nature.

Over the years I found that the border guards expect a simple yes/no
answer to their questions. They don't seem to appreciate ANY attempts at
humor.

Sometimes you wonder how to answer them and why they bothered to ask. Car
is covered with Canadian mud, guard asks "are you bringing back any
soil?". I don't have any in containers or anything but the car is covered
with it. I told him "no" and he didn't object.





Gets out of car, kicks boots on tires: "Not now!"

Leaves custom's station three hours later...

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:15:23 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2010-03-28, LDosser wrote:

Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one
time.

Likewise, and this was 40 yrs ago. Me jes discharged from USAF and a
friend wanting me to see the Canadian side of the falls (some
island). It was awesome, BTW.

consume. Seen better dressed and better appearing gas pump jocks than
what
passes for customs American side. Canada customs, OTOH, are always
smartly
dressed, etc.

Again, likewise. Going into CD, officials were curt, but
non-threatening and totally professional. Coming back to US, total
jerks w/ 'tude. Hassled us just for kicks. The car tossing taking 2
hrs due to me moving, car loaded to roof from USAF base in TN to home
in CA. Not much to be proud of on my side.

shrug I found exactly the opposite on the Quebec borDER. They were
such a
PITA that it was easier to go around Quebec and cross at Cornwall, ON.


They asked their questions in French?

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:08:53 -0700, "LDosser" wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:15:23 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2010-03-28, LDosser wrote:

Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one
time.

Likewise, and this was 40 yrs ago. Me jes discharged from USAF and a
friend wanting me to see the Canadian side of the falls (some
island). It was awesome, BTW.

consume. Seen better dressed and better appearing gas pump jocks than
what
passes for customs American side. Canada customs, OTOH, are always
smartly
dressed, etc.

Again, likewise. Going into CD, officials were curt, but
non-threatening and totally professional. Coming back to US, total
jerks w/ 'tude. Hassled us just for kicks. The car tossing taking 2
hrs due to me moving, car loaded to roof from USAF base in TN to home
in CA. Not much to be proud of on my side.

shrug I found exactly the opposite on the Quebec borDER. They were
such a
PITA that it was easier to go around Quebec and cross at Cornwall, ON.


They asked their questions in French?

Questions? They just ripped everything open and rifled through the suitcases.

On Mar 28, 11:48*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:08:53 -0700, "LDosser" wrote:
wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:15:23 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2010-03-28, LDosser wrote:

Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one
time.

Likewise, and this was 40 yrs ago. *Me jes discharged from USAF and a
friend wanting me to see the Canadian side of the falls (some
island). *It was awesome, BTW. *

consume. Seen better dressed and better appearing gas pump jocks than
what
passes for customs American side. Canada customs, OTOH, are always
smartly
dressed, etc.

Again, likewise. *Going into CD, officials were curt, but
non-threatening and totally professional. *Coming back to US, total
jerks w/ 'tude. *Hassled us just for kicks. *The car tossing taking 2
hrs due to me moving, car loaded to roof from USAF base in TN to home
in CA. *Not much to be proud of on my side.

shrug *I found exactly the opposite on the Quebec borDER. *They were
such a
PITA that it was easier to go around Quebec and cross at Cornwall, ON.

They asked their questions in French?

Questions? *They just ripped everything open and rifled through the suitcases.

Something must have set them off...... attitude maybe?

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:08:53 -0700, "LDosser" wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:15:23 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2010-03-28, LDosser wrote:

Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one
time.

Likewise, and this was 40 yrs ago. Me jes discharged from USAF and a
friend wanting me to see the Canadian side of the falls (some
island). It was awesome, BTW.

consume. Seen better dressed and better appearing gas pump jocks than
what
passes for customs American side. Canada customs, OTOH, are always
smartly
dressed, etc.

Again, likewise. Going into CD, officials were curt, but
non-threatening and totally professional. Coming back to US, total
jerks w/ 'tude. Hassled us just for kicks. The car tossing taking 2
hrs due to me moving, car loaded to roof from USAF base in TN to home
in CA. Not much to be proud of on my side.

shrug I found exactly the opposite on the Quebec borDER. They were
such a
PITA that it was easier to go around Quebec and cross at Cornwall, ON.


They asked their questions in French?

Questions? They just ripped everything open and rifled through the
suitcases.


Had that problem going into France once. It was a language issue. Regular
folks (except Parisians) are OK, but the 'crats are real buttheads.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:02:00 -0700, "LDosser"
wrote:
The only difference here is that we can manufacture necessary drugs,
can't do the same with products like Festool's.

I find that hard to believe. Isn't General made in Canada? Then there's
Veritas.

Festool has patents on the their products. Reverse engineering and
copying something is easy. Doing it legally is the problem. Canada's
drug companies aren't illegally producing any US created drugs. We're
too closely tied to the US to get away with that and would be sued
into oblivion.

ChairMan wrote:

Jack Stein spewed forth:

I like the ads that have 10 seconds of promotion, and 20 seconds of
nasty ass side effects. "use of this drug may cause shortness of
breath, hairy tongue, loss of hair, cardiac arrest, liver damage, hoof
and mouth disease, lock jaw and **liberal heart disease**."

Don't forget anal leakageg

I thought I mentioned liberal heart disease?

--
Jack
64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
http://jbstein.com

Larry Jaques wrote:
the infamous Robatoy wrote:

You still here?

???

Don't fret Larry, Robocop suffers from Liberal Heart disease. (Anal
Leakage)

Within 6 months, the Canadian health care system might get around to
sticking a cork in him assuming the Canadian hate speech police don't
get to him first...

--
Jack
Got Change: God Bless America ====== God Damn Amerika!
http://jbstein.com

Larry Jaques wrote:


You sound as if you trust doctors to do the right thing and that they
actually care. I haven't found that in a doctor yet.




I have. I have found that in my family physician, and he knows we care, so
we get concerned treatment from him. I'm sure he treats people that don't
exhibit the same amount of care of concern for their own treatment, and they
probably receive less attemtion from him than we do. Likewise from
specialists, etc. Part of our initial conversations include the disclosure
(direct or indirect), that we think about things, and don't just robotically
do as we are told.

I'll say this much - it is my experience that doctors of all sorts genuinely
appreciate patients who demonstrate enough concern for themselves, to spend
a little time making themselves more aware of treatments, options,
ramifications, etc. I do not consistently encounter physicians who won't
invest in me once they realize I have invested in myself. They are
perfectly willing to hold informative conversations with me in the examining
room, etc. I suspect that anyone who does not experience this is either
getting what they deserve, or needs to invest the time to find a new
physician.

--

-Mike-

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:06:15 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:46:41 -0500, the infamous
" scrawled the
following:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:38:48 -0400, Nova wrote:

Upscale wrote:

snip


Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one time. Guy
asked if I bought anything and I told him the truth: nothing I didn't
consume.


Probably would have been easier for you if you had declared
*something*. I have no doubt that border guards are chosen partially
because they have a suspicious nature.

Over the years I found that the border guards expect a simple yes/no
answer to their questions. They don't seem to appreciate ANY attempts at
humor.

You got that right. SWMBO giggled once when the Canuck side guard asked if we
were bringing in weapons or more than $10K in cash. She thought the idea of
carrying $10K was funny. Perhaps, but that was no place for humor.

"Well, sir, we have lots of weapons now and will be bringing back well
over $10k in cash on the way back. Thanks for asking. You guys are so
cheerful and polite!"

"Would you like to buy some?"

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:34:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

On Mar 28, 11:48*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:08:53 -0700, "LDosser" wrote:
wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:15:23 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2010-03-28, LDosser wrote:

Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one
time.

Likewise, and this was 40 yrs ago. *Me jes discharged from USAF and a
friend wanting me to see the Canadian side of the falls (some
island). *It was awesome, BTW. *

consume. Seen better dressed and better appearing gas pump jocks than
what
passes for customs American side. Canada customs, OTOH, are always
smartly
dressed, etc.

Again, likewise. *Going into CD, officials were curt, but
non-threatening and totally professional. *Coming back to US, total
jerks w/ 'tude. *Hassled us just for kicks. *The car tossing taking 2
hrs due to me moving, car loaded to roof from USAF base in TN to home
in CA. *Not much to be proud of on my side.

shrug *I found exactly the opposite on the Quebec borDER. *They were
such a
PITA that it was easier to go around Quebec and cross at Cornwall, ON.

They asked their questions in French?

Questions? *They just ripped everything open and rifled through the suitcases.

Something must have set them off...... attitude maybe?

Wrong. It was a work slowdown. Union thing, don't cha know. spit

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:10:08 -0400, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:


You sound as if you trust doctors to do the right thing and that they
actually care. I haven't found that in a doctor yet.

I have. I have found that in my family physician, and he knows we care, so
we get concerned treatment from him. I'm sure he treats people that don't
exhibit the same amount of care of concern for their own treatment, and they
probably receive less attemtion from him than we do. Likewise from
specialists, etc. Part of our initial conversations include the disclosure
(direct or indirect), that we think about things, and don't just robotically
do as we are told.

Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. I'm only 56, though.


I'll say this much - it is my experience that doctors of all sorts genuinely
appreciate patients who demonstrate enough concern for themselves, to spend
a little time making themselves more aware of treatments, options,
ramifications, etc.

Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.


I do not consistently encounter physicians who won't
invest in me once they realize I have invested in myself.

I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me.


They are
perfectly willing to hold informative conversations with me in the examining
room, etc. I suspect that anyone who does not experience this is either
getting what they deserve, or needs to invest the time to find a new
physician.

Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

--
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for.
-- Earl Warren

Larry Jaques wrote:


Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. I'm only 56, though.

Hey - me too (for a short time longer...), or are you suggesting that I'm
some kind of old fart?




Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.


When it comes to specialists, I don't lump them into this category since I
don't have the same power of choice when it comes to them. However... when
it comes to primary care physicians, I sure as hell do and I exercise that
level of discretion. It's almost like an interview process. I want to know
what my doctor is going to be like - a pill pusher (a no-op in our book),
too busy to talk and to listen - another no-op, aware enough of me that I
don't have to re-introduce myself every time I come in? Admitedly, I live
in rural upstate NY and I can find family physicians to meet those demands.
Maybe people in other areas can't.


I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me.

Geeeeeeezus - I hate to go see them too! They always want to stick a finger
up.... ummmm, well - you know. What the hell ever happened to "take two
asprins and call me in the morning"?


Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

Oh hell - that's just because you're not the charming and engaging person
that I'm widely known to be. I may suck at woodworking compared to some of
the real good guys here, but two things I can sure as hell do is, 1) paint a
car and 2)....... ummmmmm,..... **** - I forgot. Damnit! Hate it when
that happens!


I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

Used to be that way for me, but recently I noticed that I somehow find my
way in there about once a year. And I still have to wait in that damned
chair out front near the snotty nosed kid!

--

-Mike-

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:10:08 -0400, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:


You sound as if you trust doctors to do the right thing and that they
actually care. I haven't found that in a doctor yet.

I have. I have found that in my family physician, and he knows we care, so
we get concerned treatment from him. I'm sure he treats people that don't
exhibit the same amount of care of concern for their own treatment, and they
probably receive less attemtion from him than we do. Likewise from
specialists, etc. Part of our initial conversations include the disclosure
(direct or indirect), that we think about things, and don't just robotically
do as we are told.

Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. I'm only 56, though.

I'm only a year older. ;-) I've seen two specialists, one a cardiologist and
the other some sort of sleep bimbo. The cardiologist was a really nice and
caring guy. I actually like him (I don't like doctors). The sleep bimbo was
out to make a buck with whatever quackery she could invent. Needless to say,
I wasn't impressed.

I'll say this much - it is my experience that doctors of all sorts genuinely
appreciate patients who demonstrate enough concern for themselves, to spend
a little time making themselves more aware of treatments, options,
ramifications, etc.

Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.

Almost all of the GPs I've seen have been quite good, too. A few have
obviously been too busy, though.

I do not consistently encounter physicians who won't
invest in me once they realize I have invested in myself.

I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me.

I did have to tell one doctor that I wasn't taking one (blood pressure)
prescription anymore. It was attacking my joints. She didn't know it was a
common side effect, but did research it after and agreed. Didn't find
anything to replace it with though.

They are
perfectly willing to hold informative conversations with me in the examining
room, etc. I suspect that anyone who does not experience this is either
getting what they deserve, or needs to invest the time to find a new
physician.

Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

At your age, you're very lucky. I hadn't seen a doctor in thirty years. Now
I'm not so lucky. The problem is that I can't find a doctor. None in the
area are taking new patients.

On 2010-03-29 22:35:10 -0400, Larry Jaques said:

Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.

This was clipped from another mail list I follow closely. I think she's
got a lot to say (and from the font lines), beginning with the harried
doc:

"... I am a Nurse Practitioner (for 25 years) who now works in a
general practice. There are fewer and fewer independent family practice
Docs left because the reimbursement from the Insurance companies is so
poor. Apparently if you do a procedure in a specialty you are
reimbursed much much more (of course, this also encourages unnecessary
procedures). *For instance, a patient who comes into a general practice
office with a migraine headache, gets their BP and urine checked at
minimum, they are kept in a dark room and given an injection of torodol
or perhaps a different medication. *They are monitored for about 30
minutes and then allowed to leave, if pain relief is apparent and vital
signs are stable. For this we charge $20, I think a reasonable charge.
However all insurance companies reimburse us 39-40 cents...that is all.
*It costs us more than that for the syringe, needle, alcohol etc. *Not
to mention the medication, room the pt occupies, nurses time, urine
test, bp cuff that was used etc.

"To run a single provider office a physician must clear at least $250
an hour in order to pay the overhead (if they are keeping the overhead
down). *If the insurance reimburse about $150, at most, for a one hour
visit, it is impossible for the physician to make it. *That is why the
family practice, general practitioner's are either joining with bigger
practices or retiring early. **Yes, the debt of medical school is great
but so is the debt for law school, dental school and even graduate
school. Many medical school loans are forgiven with service in rural
areas, and now the loans have a ceiling that if one has paid for x
number of years and not missed a payment, the remainder is forgiven.

"So, in my opinion the cost of education is not the problem because
there are ways to deal with this. *New med students are not encouraged
to go into general practice due to the reimbursements, instead they
want to specialize so they can earn a decent living. *Another statistic
is that a Family Practice Doc need to see 30 patients daily in order to
earn $65,000. **That is 1 patient every 10 minutes all day long...and a
TON of work after the day is over, to call in prescriptions, answer
phone calls, go thru all the labs and xray reports that came in that
day, *write letters to insurance companies to rationalize why certain
diagnostic tests and certain labs are necessary for this patient at
this time. *Many GP's are in the office still at 9 or 10 at night
finishing their day.

"The insurance companies are "for profit" , stockholder driven...but
the US Government is not. One insurance company CEO makes more money
than the President or for that matter probably more than many senators
or congressman put together. The *health care system as it is today is
broken and if something is not done, America will no longer have
General Practice Docs or Primary Care Nurse Practitioners. Patients
needing GP's will go to CVS or Walgreens clinics. This may explain why
the AMA wants the government health care plan."

In ,
J. Clarke spewed forth:
On 3/28/2010 2:50 PM, ChairMan wrote:
In ,
zzzzzzzzzzspewed forth:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:15:23 GMT, wrote:

On 2010-03-28, wrote:

Had my car tossed on the American side coming back from BC one
time.

Likewise, and this was 40 yrs ago. Me jes discharged from USAF
and a friend wanting me to see the Canadian side of the falls (some
island). It was awesome, BTW.

consume. Seen better dressed and better appearing gas pump jocks
than what passes for customs American side. Canada customs, OTOH,
are always smartly dressed, etc.

Again, likewise. Going into CD, officials were curt, but
non-threatening and totally professional. Coming back to US, total
jerks w/ 'tude. Hassled us just for kicks. The car tossing
taking 2 hrs due to me moving, car loaded to roof from USAF base
in TN to home in CA. Not much to be proud of on my side.

shrug I found exactly the opposite on the Quebec borDER. They
were such a PITA that it was easier to go around Quebec and cross at
Cornwall, ON.

What do you expect from the french?spit
Hell, even real Canucks don't like the frenchg

Hey, the Quebec border guards the few times I've crossed have been
quite nice eye candy with good manners. Maybe they just have a thing
for old guys on bikes.

its just a facadeg

In ,
Jack Stein spewed forth:
ChairMan wrote:

Jack Stein spewed forth:

I like the ads that have 10 seconds of promotion, and 20 seconds of
nasty ass side effects. "use of this drug may cause shortness of
breath, hairy tongue, loss of hair, cardiac arrest, liver damage,
hoof and mouth disease, lock jaw and **liberal heart disease**."

Don't forget anal leakageg

I thought I mentioned liberal heart disease?

didn't realise that the two the same
correction duly notedg

In ,
Mike Marlow spewed forth:
ChairMan wrote:
In ,
Ed Pawlowski spewed forth:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote
I don't object to drug manufacturers advertising; however, I do
object to drug manufacturers lobbying the end user market via TV to
pressure the medical professionals to prescribe their drugs.

They want to advertise, fine, advertise directly to the medical
professionals, not the medically untrained as they presently do.

Obviously, that is the intent of the advertising, but consumers have
an obligation to themselves to know what medication is available.
Doctors do make errors, miss a diagnosis, prescribe the wrong
medication, etc.. Good doctors welcome discussion of their treatment
as does the patient deserve to know all the options available.

Just as important, without advertising, I'd not know what to do with
an erection lasting more that four hours. Used to be I'd just
invite some friends and neighbors (female) over to enjoy it with me
and get some use out of it. I was wrong, I guess.

Ring toss, anyone?g

Screw that - HORSESHOES!!!

OUCH

On Mar 30, 1:27*pm, "ChairMan" wrote:
,
Mike Marlow spewed forth:





ChairMan wrote:
om,
Ed Pawlowski spewed forth:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote
I don't object to drug manufacturers advertising; however, I do
object to drug manufacturers lobbying the end user market via TV to
pressure the medical professionals to prescribe their drugs.

They want to advertise, fine, advertise directly to the medical
professionals, not the medically untrained as they presently do.

Obviously, that is the intent of the advertising, but consumers have
an obligation to themselves to know what medication is available.
Doctors do make errors, miss a diagnosis, prescribe the wrong
medication, etc.. Good doctors welcome discussion of their treatment
as does the patient deserve to know all the options available.

Just as important, without advertising, I'd not know what to do with
an erection lasting more that four hours. *Used to be I'd just
invite some friends and neighbors (female) over to enjoy it with me
and get some use out of it. *I was wrong, I guess.

Ring toss, anyone?g

Screw that - HORSESHOES!!!

OUCH

Noisy!

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:29:35 -0400, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:


Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. I'm only 56, though.

Hey - me too (for a short time longer...), or are you suggesting that I'm
some kind of old fart?

Or just one sick MF? silly grinne


Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.


When it comes to specialists, I don't lump them into this category since I
don't have the same power of choice when it comes to them. However... when
it comes to primary care physicians, I sure as hell do and I exercise that
level of discretion. It's almost like an interview process. I want to know
what my doctor is going to be like - a pill pusher (a no-op in our book),
too busy to talk and to listen - another no-op, aware enough of me that I
don't have to re-introduce myself every time I come in? Admitedly, I live
in rural upstate NY and I can find family physicians to meet those demands.
Maybe people in other areas can't.

Downstate Oregon, 30k people in town, fewer doctors, overworked by old
farts, maybe?.


I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me.

Geeeeeeezus - I hate to go see them too! They always want to stick a finger
up.... ummmm, well - you know. What the hell ever happened to "take two
asprins and call me in the morning"?

....and "That'll be $2.00"?


Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

Oh hell - that's just because you're not the charming and engaging person
that I'm widely known to be. I may suck at woodworking compared to some of
the real good guys here, but two things I can sure as hell do is, 1) paint a
car and 2)....... ummmmmm,..... **** - I forgot. Damnit! Hate it when
that happens!

OK. kaff, kaff


I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

Used to be that way for me, but recently I noticed that I somehow find my
way in there about once a year. And I still have to wait in that damned
chair out front near the snotty nosed kid!

I was chauffeuring my elderly neighbor and his daughter to the clinics
last year and got to see all that crap, too. It reminded me why I
didn't go see the doctor. I haven't tried stitching up my own scalp
yet, but I do butterfly my deeper slice wounds and they're healed in 2
weeks. I diagnose and cure 95% of my infrequent problems and
absolutely hate it when a doctor confirms my suspicions and has
nothing more to add, nor does he seem to care.

I'm wondering now if they'll give me free lesser-care if I get the DNR
tattoo on my left wrist. Soylent Green, here I come!

--
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for.
-- Earl Warren

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
snip
I was chauffeuring my elderly neighbor and his daughter to the clinics
last year and got to see all that crap, too. It reminded me why I
didn't go see the doctor. I haven't tried stitching up my own scalp
yet, but I do butterfly my deeper slice wounds and they're healed in 2
weeks. I diagnose and cure 95% of my infrequent problems and
absolutely hate it when a doctor confirms my suspicions and has
nothing more to add, nor does he seem to care.


Sewing up that back of your head while looking in two mirrors
is "very" hard to do. DAMHIKT

basilisk

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0700, Larry Jaques

wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:10:08 -0400, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:


You sound as if you trust doctors to do the right thing and that they
actually care. I haven't found that in a doctor yet.

I have. I have found that in my family physician, and he knows we care,
so
we get concerned treatment from him. I'm sure he treats people that
don't
exhibit the same amount of care of concern for their own treatment, and
they
probably receive less attemtion from him than we do. Likewise from
specialists, etc. Part of our initial conversations include the
disclosure
(direct or indirect), that we think about things, and don't just
robotically
do as we are told.

Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. I'm only 56, though.

I'm only a year older. ;-) I've seen two specialists, one a cardiologist
and
the other some sort of sleep bimbo. The cardiologist was a really nice
and
caring guy. I actually like him (I don't like doctors). The sleep bimbo
was
out to make a buck with whatever quackery she could invent. Needless to
say,
I wasn't impressed.

I'll say this much - it is my experience that doctors of all sorts
genuinely
appreciate patients who demonstrate enough concern for themselves, to
spend
a little time making themselves more aware of treatments, options,
ramifications, etc.

Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.

Almost all of the GPs I've seen have been quite good, too. A few have
obviously been too busy, though.

I do not consistently encounter physicians who won't
invest in me once they realize I have invested in myself.

I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me.

I did have to tell one doctor that I wasn't taking one (blood pressure)
prescription anymore. It was attacking my joints. She didn't know it was
a
common side effect, but did research it after and agreed. Didn't find
anything to replace it with though.

They are
perfectly willing to hold informative conversations with me in the
examining
room, etc. I suspect that anyone who does not experience this is either
getting what they deserve, or needs to invest the time to find a new
physician.

Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

At your age, you're very lucky. I hadn't seen a doctor in thirty years.
Now
I'm not so lucky. The problem is that I can't find a doctor. None in the
area are taking new patients.

KRW,

How far are you from Birmingham? I know an excellent family doctor,
I've been driving 60 miles to his clinic for a couple of years great guy,
good doctor and most testing is in house.

basilisk

On Mar 31, 10:18*am, "basilisk" wrote:
wrote in message

...



On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0700, Larry Jaques

wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:10:08 -0400, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

You sound as if you trust doctors to do the right thing and that they
actually care. *I haven't found that in a doctor yet.

I have. *I have found that in my family physician, and he knows we care,
so
we get concerned treatment from him. *I'm sure he treats people that
don't
exhibit the same amount of care of concern for their own treatment, and
they
probably receive less attemtion from him than we do. *Likewise from
specialists, etc. *Part of our initial conversations include the
disclosure
(direct or indirect), that we think about things, and don't just
robotically
do as we are told.

Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. *I'm only 56, though.

I'm only a year older. *;-) I've seen two specialists, one a cardiologist
and
the other some sort of sleep bimbo. *The cardiologist was a really nice
and
caring guy. *I actually like him (I don't like doctors). *The sleep bimbo
was
out to make a buck with whatever quackery she could invent. *Needless to
say,
I wasn't impressed.

I'll say this much - it is my experience that doctors of all sorts
genuinely
appreciate patients who demonstrate enough concern for themselves, to
spend
a little time making themselves more aware of treatments, options,
ramifications, etc.

Oh, I've always done that, too. *And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.

Almost all of the GPs I've seen have been quite good, too. *A few have
obviously been too busy, though.

I do not consistently encounter physicians who won't
invest in me once they realize I have invested in myself.

I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) *I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me. *

I did have to tell one doctor that I wasn't taking one (blood pressure)
prescription anymore. *It was attacking my joints. *She didn't know it was
a
common side effect, but did research it after and agreed. *Didn't find
anything to replace it with though.

They are
perfectly willing to hold informative conversations with me in the
examining
room, etc. *I suspect that anyone who does not experience this is either
getting what they deserve, or needs to invest the time to find a new
physician.

Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." *But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

At your age, you're very lucky. *I hadn't seen a doctor in thirty years.
Now
I'm not so lucky. *The problem is that I can't find a doctor. *None in the
area are taking new patients.

KRW,

How far are you from Birmingham? I know an excellent family doctor,
I've been driving 60 miles to his clinic for a couple of years great guy,
good doctor and most testing is in house.

About 100mi.

wrote in message
...
On Mar 31, 10:18 am, "basilisk" wrote:
wrote in message

...



On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0700, Larry Jaques

wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:10:08 -0400, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

You sound as if you trust doctors to do the right thing and that they
actually care. I haven't found that in a doctor yet.

I have. I have found that in my family physician, and he knows we care,
so
we get concerned treatment from him. I'm sure he treats people that
don't
exhibit the same amount of care of concern for their own treatment, and
they
probably receive less attemtion from him than we do. Likewise from
specialists, etc. Part of our initial conversations include the
disclosure
(direct or indirect), that we think about things, and don't just
robotically
do as we are told.

Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. I'm only 56, though.

I'm only a year older. ;-) I've seen two specialists, one a cardiologist
and
the other some sort of sleep bimbo. The cardiologist was a really nice
and
caring guy. I actually like him (I don't like doctors). The sleep bimbo
was
out to make a buck with whatever quackery she could invent. Needless to
say,
I wasn't impressed.

I'll say this much - it is my experience that doctors of all sorts
genuinely
appreciate patients who demonstrate enough concern for themselves, to
spend
a little time making themselves more aware of treatments, options,
ramifications, etc.

Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.

Almost all of the GPs I've seen have been quite good, too. A few have
obviously been too busy, though.

I do not consistently encounter physicians who won't
invest in me once they realize I have invested in myself.

I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me.

I did have to tell one doctor that I wasn't taking one (blood pressure)
prescription anymore. It was attacking my joints. She didn't know it was
a
common side effect, but did research it after and agreed. Didn't find
anything to replace it with though.

They are
perfectly willing to hold informative conversations with me in the
examining
room, etc. I suspect that anyone who does not experience this is either
getting what they deserve, or needs to invest the time to find a new
physician.

Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

At your age, you're very lucky. I hadn't seen a doctor in thirty years.
Now
I'm not so lucky. The problem is that I can't find a doctor. None in the
area are taking new patients.

KRW,

How far are you from Birmingham? I know an excellent family doctor,
I've been driving 60 miles to his clinic for a couple of years great guy,
good doctor and most testing is in house.

About 100mi.

Probably too far for you, but

www.sealeharris.com

I see Dr. Clifton, I looked around in Tuscaloosa
for a doctor, which is much closer to me but the
level of care and ease of use just isn't there(or I
couldn't find it). Dr. Clifton and Dr. Crenshaw
own the clinic and are quick to ask your opinion
of their practice and what could be done to make
it better, that's something I have never had another
doctor do.

basilisk

basilsik

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:09:12 -0500, the infamous "basilisk"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
snip
I was chauffeuring my elderly neighbor and his daughter to the clinics
last year and got to see all that crap, too. It reminded me why I
didn't go see the doctor. I haven't tried stitching up my own scalp
yet, but I do butterfly my deeper slice wounds and they're healed in 2
weeks. I diagnose and cure 95% of my infrequent problems and
absolutely hate it when a doctor confirms my suspicions and has
nothing more to add, nor does he seem to care.


Sewing up that back of your head while looking in two mirrors
is "very" hard to do.

I'll bet it's even harder with only one.

I pulled a splinter out of my back once with two mirrors. It's an
exercise in flip logic, getting your fingers to move one way, hand
another, tweezers yet another, all in bassackward 3-D reverse. I
actually used a pair of eyebrow pluckers v. tweezers.

Never scratch your back on an old barn corner. DAMHIKT


DAMHIKT

Silk, polyester, or mercerized cotton, B? I'd guess that the nice
thing about sewing the back of your head is that you don't really need
to see it to sew it, plus you have both hands free. Betadine can be
applied in the dark, and if you have to shave, disposable razors are
easy to use and, like antibiotic cream, usually in stock in every
medicine cabinet.

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:09:12 -0500, the infamous "basilisk"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
. ..
snip
I was chauffeuring my elderly neighbor and his daughter to the clinics
last year and got to see all that crap, too. It reminded me why I
didn't go see the doctor. I haven't tried stitching up my own scalp
yet, but I do butterfly my deeper slice wounds and they're healed in 2
weeks. I diagnose and cure 95% of my infrequent problems and
absolutely hate it when a doctor confirms my suspicions and has
nothing more to add, nor does he seem to care.


Sewing up that back of your head while looking in two mirrors
is "very" hard to do.

I'll bet it's even harder with only one.

I pulled a splinter out of my back once with two mirrors. It's an
exercise in flip logic, getting your fingers to move one way, hand
another, tweezers yet another, all in bassackward 3-D reverse. I
actually used a pair of eyebrow pluckers v. tweezers.

Never scratch your back on an old barn corner. DAMHIKT


DAMHIKT

Silk, polyester, or mercerized cotton, B? I'd guess that the nice
thing about sewing the back of your head is that you don't really need
to see it to sew it, plus you have both hands free. Betadine can be
applied in the dark, and if you have to shave, disposable razors are
easy to use and, like antibiotic cream, usually in stock in every
medicine cabinet.

What ever is handy, I use spiderwire(fishing line) on the dogs.

basilisk

On Mar 31, 1:17*pm, "basilisk" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Mar 31, 10:18 am, "basilisk" wrote:



wrote in message

.. .

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0700, Larry Jaques

wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:10:08 -0400, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

You sound as if you trust doctors to do the right thing and that they
actually care. I haven't found that in a doctor yet.

I have. I have found that in my family physician, and he knows we care,
so
we get concerned treatment from him. I'm sure he treats people that
don't
exhibit the same amount of care of concern for their own treatment, and
they
probably receive less attemtion from him than we do. Likewise from
specialists, etc. Part of our initial conversations include the
disclosure
(direct or indirect), that we think about things, and don't just
robotically
do as we are told.

Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. I'm only 56, though.

I'm only a year older. ;-) I've seen two specialists, one a cardiologist
and
the other some sort of sleep bimbo. The cardiologist was a really nice
and
caring guy. I actually like him (I don't like doctors). The sleep bimbo
was
out to make a buck with whatever quackery she could invent. Needless to
say,
I wasn't impressed.

I'll say this much - it is my experience that doctors of all sorts
genuinely
appreciate patients who demonstrate enough concern for themselves, to
spend
a little time making themselves more aware of treatments, options,
ramifications, etc.

Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.

Almost all of the GPs I've seen have been quite good, too. A few have
obviously been too busy, though.

I do not consistently encounter physicians who won't
invest in me once they realize I have invested in myself.

I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me.

I did have to tell one doctor that I wasn't taking one (blood pressure)
prescription anymore. It was attacking my joints. She didn't know it was
a
common side effect, but did research it after and agreed. Didn't find
anything to replace it with though.

They are
perfectly willing to hold informative conversations with me in the
examining
room, etc. I suspect that anyone who does not experience this is either
getting what they deserve, or needs to invest the time to find a new
physician.

Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

At your age, you're very lucky. I hadn't seen a doctor in thirty years.
Now
I'm not so lucky. The problem is that I can't find a doctor. None in the
area are taking new patients.

KRW,

How far are you from Birmingham? I know an excellent family doctor,
I've been driving 60 miles to his clinic for a couple of years great guy,
good doctor and most testing is in house.

About 100mi.

Probably too far for you, but

www.sealeharris.com

I see Dr. Clifton, I looked around in Tuscaloosa
for a doctor, which is much closer to me but the
level of care and ease of use just isn't there(or I
couldn't find it). Dr. Clifton and Dr. Crenshaw
own the clinic and are quick to ask your opinion
of their practice and what could be done to make
it better, that's something I have never had another
doctor do.

Yeah, it's a bit far (have to take a half day off to visit the
doctor).
I'd want someone with hospital privileges here, too.

wrote in message
...
On Mar 31, 1:17 pm, "basilisk" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Mar 31, 10:18 am, "basilisk" wrote:



wrote in message

.. .

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0700, Larry Jaques

wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:10:08 -0400, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

You sound as if you trust doctors to do the right thing and that
they
actually care. I haven't found that in a doctor yet.

I have. I have found that in my family physician, and he knows we
care,
so
we get concerned treatment from him. I'm sure he treats people that
don't
exhibit the same amount of care of concern for their own treatment,
and
they
probably receive less attemtion from him than we do. Likewise from
specialists, etc. Part of our initial conversations include the
disclosure
(direct or indirect), that we think about things, and don't just
robotically
do as we are told.

Thankfully, I've never even -met- a specialist. I'm only 56, though.

I'm only a year older. ;-) I've seen two specialists, one a
cardiologist
and
the other some sort of sleep bimbo. The cardiologist was a really nice
and
caring guy. I actually like him (I don't like doctors). The sleep
bimbo
was
out to make a buck with whatever quackery she could invent. Needless
to
say,
I wasn't impressed.

I'll say this much - it is my experience that doctors of all sorts
genuinely
appreciate patients who demonstrate enough concern for themselves, to
spend
a little time making themselves more aware of treatments, options,
ramifications, etc.

Oh, I've always done that, too. And I find doctors intelligent, just
not really caring or sharing. Most seem quite hurried (their office
manglers overbook them on purpose, I think) distracted, and unhappy.

Almost all of the GPs I've seen have been quite good, too. A few have
obviously been too busy, though.

I do not consistently encounter physicians who won't
invest in me once they realize I have invested in myself.

I hate to go see doctors, so I've always tried to have as much
knowledge about the subject at hand as they do, if not more (more
common.) I seldom have any disease of interest to them. House would
just _hate_ me.

I did have to tell one doctor that I wasn't taking one (blood
pressure)
prescription anymore. It was attacking my joints. She didn't know it
was
a
common side effect, but did research it after and agreed. Didn't find
anything to replace it with though.

They are
perfectly willing to hold informative conversations with me in the
examining
room, etc. I suspect that anyone who does not experience this is
either
getting what they deserve, or needs to invest the time to find a new
physician.

Most react to my attention to detail and awareness of what's going on
in my body with pleasant surprise and a grin. (I know that probably
sounds awfully arrogant, but that's not the tone of the interaction,
honest.) "I was going to pry that info out of you but you told me
without prompting. Wonderful." But I don't get the long and
informative conversations you talk of, Mike.

I see doctors every 3-10 years, and then only if I -have- to.

At your age, you're very lucky. I hadn't seen a doctor in thirty
years.
Now
I'm not so lucky. The problem is that I can't find a doctor. None in
the
area are taking new patients.

KRW,

How far are you from Birmingham? I know an excellent family doctor,
I've been driving 60 miles to his clinic for a couple of years great
guy,
good doctor and most testing is in house.

About 100mi.

Probably too far for you, but

www.sealeharris.com

I see Dr. Clifton, I looked around in Tuscaloosa
for a doctor, which is much closer to me but the
level of care and ease of use just isn't there(or I
couldn't find it). Dr. Clifton and Dr. Crenshaw
own the clinic and are quick to ask your opinion
of their practice and what could be done to make
it better, that's something I have never had another
doctor do.

Yeah, it's a bit far (have to take a half day off to visit the
doctor).
I'd want someone with hospital privileges here, too.

I won't use the hospitals near me either, unless I can't get the bleeding
slowed down enough that I think I can make it to b'ham or
if I'm enjoying a kidney stone, in that case the nearest
morphine is the best kind.

basilisk

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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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I was chauffeuring my elderly neighbor and his daughter to the
clinics
last year and got to see all that crap, too. It reminded me
why I
didn't go see the doctor. I haven't tried stitching up my own
scalp
yet, but I do butterfly my deeper slice wounds and they're
healed in 2
weeks. I diagnose and cure 95% of my infrequent problems and
absolutely hate it when a doctor confirms my suspicions and has
nothing more to add, nor does he seem to care.


Sewing up that back of your head while looking in two mirrors
is "very" hard to do. DAMHIKT


Superglue does well for me.

--
Nonny
Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member
of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.'

-Mark Twain
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"Nonny" wrote in message
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"basilisk" wrote in message
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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I was chauffeuring my elderly neighbor and his daughter to the clinics
last year and got to see all that crap, too. It reminded me why I
didn't go see the doctor. I haven't tried stitching up my own scalp
yet, but I do butterfly my deeper slice wounds and they're healed in 2
weeks. I diagnose and cure 95% of my infrequent problems and
absolutely hate it when a doctor confirms my suspicions and has
nothing more to add, nor does he seem to care.


Sewing up that back of your head while looking in two mirrors
is "very" hard to do. DAMHIKT


Superglue does well for me.

'Twas its original purpose.