Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to
see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won
a big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus
has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.


Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4ba725b6$0$15782
:

Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to
see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won
a big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus
has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.


Lew

Hear, Hear!

Now comes the real work, getting the amendments to do what the people
really want, whetheer they kknow it or not. Oh wait, there are lobbyists
too. Now there is a job for those who favor using guns defensively.

/sarcasm
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 3/22/2010 3:09 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won
a big one today with the passage of health care.

Yep, a "health care bill" that requires 16,000 new IRS agents instead of
doctors is a "major sea change" alright.

Sounds more like the sheeple are due for another fleecing.

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On 3/22/2010 4:09 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to
see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won
a big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus
has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.

If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to
buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford.

And if the government can make us buy insurance, what's next? Bail out
the auto industry by compelling everyone to buy an American car, whether
they can afford one or not and regardless of whether they actually want
or need a car?

On 3/22/2010 7:07 AM, Han wrote:
"Lew wrote in news:4ba725b6$0$15782
:

Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to
see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won
a big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus
has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.


Lew

Hear, Hear!

Now comes the real work, getting the amendments to do what the people
really want, whetheer they kknow it or not. Oh wait, there are lobbyists
too. Now there is a job for those who favor using guns defensively.

At the next election it may turn out that what the people really want is
for Obama to shove his insurance industry windfall up his butt sideways.

On Mar 22, 8:30*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:
On 3/22/2010 4:09 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:



Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to
see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won
a big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus
has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.

If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. *He's required to
buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford.

And if the government can make us buy insurance, what's next? *Bail out
the auto industry by compelling everyone to buy an American car, whether
they can afford one or not and regardless of whether they actually want
or need a car?

What do you think "cash for clunkers" was all about?

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a
big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has
left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.


Lew

Our Taliban president is killing USA without firing a shot. ww

On Mar 22, 10:02*am, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"

wrote:
If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. *He's required to
buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford..

Not too bright are you clarke? If they're going to have trouble paying
for the universal medical insurance then they sure as hell are going
to have much more trouble paying for medical help when they need it.
Your half assed solution would be for them to declare bankruptcy to
get Medicare.

Exactly how many of you objectors to universal health insurance (alias
greedy, selfish assholes) are willing to say that you'd happily become
indigent to get Medicare?

Idiot. Medicare is not for the indigent. In fact it is for the
_wealthiest_ group.

Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:
If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to
buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford.

Not too bright are you clarke? If they're going to have trouble paying
for the universal medical insurance then they sure as hell are going
to have much more trouble paying for medical help when they need it.
Your half assed solution would be for them to declare bankruptcy to
get Medicare.

Exactly how many of you objectors to universal health insurance (alias
greedy, selfish assholes) are willing to say that you'd happily become
indigent to get Medicare?

We already have a program for the indigent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:
If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to
buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford.

Not too bright are you clarke? If they're going to have trouble paying
for the universal medical insurance then they sure as hell are going
to have much more trouble paying for medical help when they need it.
Your half assed solution would be for them to declare bankruptcy to
get Medicare.

Exactly how many of you objectors to universal health insurance (alias
greedy, selfish assholes) are willing to say that you'd happily become
indigent to get Medicare?

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to
buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford.

And if the government can make us buy insurance, what's next? Bail out
the auto industry by compelling everyone to buy an American car, whether
they can afford one or not and regardless of whether they actually want
or need a car?

Holy Cow! You and I agree on this one.

On 3/22/2010 10:34 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:
If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to
buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford.

Not too bright are you clarke? If they're going to have trouble paying
for the universal medical insurance then they sure as hell are going
to have much more trouble paying for medical help when they need it.

So what do they give up in order to buy the insurance? Food? Heat?

Your half assed solution would be for them to declare bankruptcy to
get Medicare.

If the government wants people to have insurance then the proper way for
the government to do it is to tax them and buy the insurance, not tell
them that they have to go out and buy insurance or else.

Exactly how many of you objectors to universal health insurance (alias
greedy, selfish assholes) are willing to say that you'd happily become
indigent to get Medicare?

We already have a program for the indigent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

With your new law people may end up becoming indigent who would not
otherwise have done so.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a
big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has
left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.


I am confused,, so many here are sooooo against how SawStop was trying to
force its product on to us and this is not a problem?

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

get Medicare.

Idiot. Medicare is not for the indigent. In fact it is for the
_wealthiest_ group.

Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The
question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go
through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one
would.

Isn't it funny how almost everybody in the US that is against
universal health care is currently protected by some sort of medical
plan? What about all those literally millions and millions of US
citizens that aren't covered by anything? They're your people and they
are part of what makes the US such a great nation. Don't they deserve
some sort of health protection.

I once stated that the most important human right was to be healthy.
Mill jumped in and stated that it was freedom. The fact is that
illness and especially chronic illness without health care is a loss
of freedom that the healthy can never possibly comprehend.

On 3/22/2010 10:50 AM, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:34:10 -0700, Doug Winterburn
wrote:


We already have a program for the indigent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

I know you do. I just made a mistake in calling it Medicare instead of
Medicaid. The point is, that you have to become indigent to receive
it. Lose everything you own just to get medical aid.

One of our very vocal liberal cousins actually filed suit against
Medicaid last year because her MIL's trust fund, set up for her son, was
taken by the state to pay for her nursing home care. The cousin, et vir
was counting on getting the $30K trust themselves, instead Medicaid and
the State of Arkansas took it.

She is incensed that the $30k should go to reimburse the tax payer,
instead of in her pocket, since it was money her MIL left _her_.

Liberals ... just as long as it's not their money!

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:34:10 -0700, Doug Winterburn
wrote:


We already have a program for the indigent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

I know you do. I just made a mistake in calling it Medicare instead of
Medicaid. The point is, that you have to become indigent to receive
it. Lose everything you own just to get medical aid. Not a what I'd
call a fair system. Everybody contributes to your country, not just
the rich and powerful.

On Mar 22, 10:46*am, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
get Medicare.

Idiot. *Medicare is not for the indigent. *In fact it is for the
_wealthiest_ group.

Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The
question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go
through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one
would.

Lying is a big deal. If you haven't taken care of yourself why should
you steal from me?

Isn't it funny how almost everybody in the US that is against
universal health care is currently protected by some sort of medical
plan? What about all those literally millions and millions of US
citizens that aren't covered by anything? They're your people and they
are part of what makes the US such a great nation. Don't they deserve
some sort of health protection.

What's next? "Free" dental care? "Free" hair cuts? "Free"
housing?

I once stated that the most important human right was to be healthy.

That is a "right" in as much as the creator created you. "Free"
access to my labor is *not*. It is slavery.

Mill jumped in and stated that it was freedom. The fact is that
illness and especially chronic illness without health care is a loss
of freedom that the healthy can never possibly comprehend.

Loss of liberty is as bad. That is what you demand. No less.

On Mar 22, 11:53*am, " wrote:
On Mar 22, 10:46*am, Upscale wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
get Medicare.

Idiot. *Medicare is not for the indigent. *In fact it is for the
_wealthiest_ group.

Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The
question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go
through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one
would.

Lying is a big deal. *If you haven't taken care of yourself why should
you steal from me?

Isn't it funny how almost everybody in the US that is against
universal health care is currently protected by some sort of medical
plan? What about all those literally millions and millions of US
citizens that aren't covered by anything? They're your people and they
are part of what makes the US such a great nation. Don't they deserve
some sort of health protection.

What's next? *"Free" dental care? *"Free" hair cuts? *"Free"
housing?

I once stated that the most important human right was to be healthy.

That is a "right" in as much as the creator created you. *"Free"
access to my labor is *not*. *It is slavery.

Mill jumped in and stated that it was freedom. The fact is that
illness and especially chronic illness without health care is a loss
of freedom that the healthy can never possibly comprehend.

Loss of liberty is as bad. *That is what you demand. *No less.

Well put. When did health care become a "right"? This is what drives
me crazy. It seems that suddenly everbody is entitled to everything
as a right. I actually saw somebody being interviewed (on the street)
that firmly belived they had a "right" to housing. Health care (and
housing) are not rights.

-Jim

On Mar 22, 11:53*am, " wrote:


*If you haven't taken care of yourself why should
you steal from me?


That is the stupidest thing you have ever posted... and that is saying
something.

On Mar 22, 12:29*pm, jtpr wrote:
On Mar 22, 11:53*am, " wrote:





On Mar 22, 10:46*am, Upscale wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
get Medicare.

Idiot. *Medicare is not for the indigent. *In fact it is for the
_wealthiest_ group.

Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The
question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go
through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one
would.

Lying is a big deal. *If you haven't taken care of yourself why should
you steal from me?

Isn't it funny how almost everybody in the US that is against
universal health care is currently protected by some sort of medical
plan? What about all those literally millions and millions of US
citizens that aren't covered by anything? They're your people and they
are part of what makes the US such a great nation. Don't they deserve
some sort of health protection.

What's next? *"Free" dental care? *"Free" hair cuts? *"Free"
housing?

I once stated that the most important human right was to be healthy.

That is a "right" in as much as the creator created you. *"Free"
access to my labor is *not*. *It is slavery.

Mill jumped in and stated that it was freedom. The fact is that
illness and especially chronic illness without health care is a loss
of freedom that the healthy can never possibly comprehend.

Loss of liberty is as bad. *That is what you demand. *No less.

Well put. *When did health care become a "right"? *This is what drives
me crazy. *It seems that suddenly everbody is entitled to everything
as a right. *I actually saw somebody being interviewed (on the street)
that firmly belived they had a "right" to housing. *Health care (and
housing) are not rights.

-Jim

You're an idiot too then. Since when does somebody have to go bankrupt
when they fall ill in spite of having taken good care of themselves?
People get sick without having anything to do with lifestyle. When
that happens, and the lifeblood is being drained from somebody, does
any corporation have the RIGHT to steal all his money first because of
out-of-control costs? JUST to please the share holders? It is okay in
your limited mind that life is for sale?

On Mar 22, 11:50*am, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:34:10 -0700, Doug Winterburn

wrote:
We already have a program for the indigent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

I know you do. I just made a mistake in calling it Medicare instead of
Medicaid.

Fukkum, Dave, just fukkum. Some people have no soul.

On Mar 22, 11:47*am, Swingman wrote:


Liberals ... just as long as it's not their money!

Come on now Karl, the Libtards don't have an exclusive on that.

On Mar 22, 11:43*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message

...





Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a
big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has
left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.

I am confused,, so many here are sooooo against how SawStop was trying to
force its product on to us and this is not a problem?

All they're trying to do is to route the gross overpayments to the
medical insurers to go to the tax coffers instead. Is that so wrong? /
sarcasm

I will make a prediction... this thread will hit 1000

On 3/22/2010 11:43 AM, Leon wrote:
"Lew wrote in message
...
Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a
big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has
left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.


I am confused,, so many here are sooooo against how SawStop was trying to
force its product on to us and this is not a problem?

Well, you see this is the nice sweet honest trustworthy government that
has all our best interests at heart doing it, not some
EEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL (by definition) corporation.

Never mind that the main beneficiary will be the insurance industry,
which gets a huge influx of new policy sales from healthy young people
(paying the same rates as sick old people) who are now required to buy
insurance or else.

Sometimes we all need a reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MC37aIRX5c
What the real cost and levels of commitment are.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a
big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has
left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.


Lew

On Mar 22, 3:20*pm, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT), jtpr
wrote:

Well put. *When did health care become a "right"? *This is what drives
me crazy. *It seems that suddenly everbody is entitled to everything
as a right. *I actually saw somebody being interviewed (on the street)
that firmly belived they had a "right" to housing. *Health care (and
housing) are not rights

They're basic human rights **** head, not what's written into your
constitution. They're moral rights that demand that everyone should be
treated equally, not just because someone has more money or power than
others around him. People like you however, just aren't capable of
that kind of empathy. You're just too greedy and self centred to
realize it.

There is no basic human right to enslave another. You propose that
your rights exceed those of another. THAT is wrong.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:53:52 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The
question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go
through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one
would.

Lying is a big deal. If you haven't taken care of yourself why should
you steal from me?

I made a mistake between what two services were called and you're
calling me a liar? Fine, I'm a liar for not being familiar enough with
the US medical terminology and you're a natural born ****ing asshole.
Glad we got that settled.

And, as far as stealing from you goes, 100% of the services and
amenities you get are funded by the collective taxes of your country,
so in effect you steal from everyone. Does that fit in with your
screwed up logic?

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT), jtpr
wrote:

Well put. When did health care become a "right"? This is what drives
me crazy. It seems that suddenly everbody is entitled to everything
as a right. I actually saw somebody being interviewed (on the street)
that firmly belived they had a "right" to housing. Health care (and
housing) are not rights

They're basic human rights **** head, not what's written into your
constitution. They're moral rights that demand that everyone should be
treated equally, not just because someone has more money or power than
others around him. People like you however, just aren't capable of
that kind of empathy. You're just too greedy and self centred to
realize it.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:01:48 -0500, "Tom B"
wrote:

Sometimes we all need a reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MC37aIRX5c
What the real cost and levels of commitment are.

Very well said.

On Mar 22, 5:23*pm, vonKevin wrote:


They're basic human rights **** head, not what's written into your
constitution. They're moral rights that demand that everyone should be
treated equally, not just because someone has more money or power than
others around him. People like you however, just aren't capable of
that kind of empathy. You're just too greedy and self centred to
realize it.

So tell me - Are you saying that no one should be allowed to buy
better than the basic health care coverage, simply because there are
people who can't afford it?

I guess absolutely everyone should be paid exactly the same wage, too,
huh?

You be sure & let me know when you feel the need to go see a Cardiac
Surgeon who gets paid the same as the moron flipping burgers down at
McFood, Comrade.

Sounds to me you already have been misdiagnosed at the mental health
clinic.
NOBODY is denying anybody the right to upgrade their basic health
package.
NOBODY is advocating same wages for different levels of jobs/schooling/
responsibility/talent.
Your premise is so ****ed as to be laughable, Kevin in Indy.
But I will tell you something, that moron flipping burgers is likely
to have a better moral outlook than your bigoted version thereof.
You, sir, are an asshole. (Notice I did not request my post to be
removed like yours, so yours will live on forever for all to laugh
at.)
When you are capable of rational thought, please come visit again. In
the meantime, the burger flipper probably has more right to his/her
paycheck than you do to yours.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:


There is no basic human right to enslave another. You propose that
your rights exceed those of another. THAT is wrong.

You're pretty screwed up. What is wrong is that you're singling out
this one specific instance as some type of enslavement. What about all
the other things that you are "enslaved" for? The taxes you pay go for
everything from paving roads to running zoos. The taxes you pay
ideally go to pay for things that are supposed to benefit all.

If I was to adopt your point of view, I could state that your taxes go
to pay for US armed forces who are waging war in oil laden lands
overseas because ultimately it is hoped that it will benefit the US.
That makes YOU a thief, a killer and a war monger.

Grow up little man and think a bit before your self-centred point of
view bites you big time in the butt.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Mar 22, 11:43 am, "Leon" wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message

...





Some of the major sea changes in my life.

VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of
WWII.

My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to
see.

Enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

The passage of Medicare.

The birth of my children.

The end of the Viet Nam conflict

Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a
big one today with the passage of health care.

I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has
left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride.

I am confused,, so many here are sooooo against how SawStop was trying to
force its product on to us and this is not a problem?

All they're trying to do is to route the gross overpayments to the
medical insurers to go to the tax coffers instead. Is that so wrong? /
sarcasm

I assure you that health care will double in cost with the government
involved. It seems that with more unemployeed, the more the government
comes up with programs to employee those people, productive or not. Its
wellfare.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Mar 22, 11:47 am, Swingman wrote:


Liberals ... just as long as it's not their money!

Come on now Karl, the Libtards don't have an exclusive on that.

That is correct but the liverals are the ones that wished for it.

Upscale wrote in
:



I'm kind of dumb so I'd appreciate if you explained that one
to me.


You finally got something right...

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:21:49 -0500, Upscale
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:


There is no basic human right to enslave another. You propose that
your rights exceed those of another. THAT is wrong.

You're pretty screwed up. What is wrong is that you're singling out
this one specific instance as some type of enslavement. What about all
the other things that you are "enslaved" for? The taxes you pay go for
everything from paving roads to running zoos. The taxes you pay
ideally go to pay for things that are supposed to benefit all.

If I was to adopt your point of view, I could state that your taxes go
to pay for US armed forces who are waging war in oil laden lands
overseas because ultimately it is hoped that it will benefit the US.
That makes YOU a thief, a killer and a war monger.

Grow up little man and think a bit before your self-centred point of
view bites you big time in the butt.


As usual it is your whiney ass that's screwed up. The problem is not
that our taxes pay for everything we benefit from. If that was the
case there would be no need for such a ludicrous law. The problem is
that our taxes pay for everything that those who PAY NO TAX benefit
from as well. I worked hard for my money and don't appreciate being
forced to give it to some lazy or illegal son-of-a-bitch.

Gordon Shumway

Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield
for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:23:17 -0400, vonKevin
wrote:

So tell me - Are you saying that no one should be allowed to buy
better than the basic health care coverage, simply because there are
people who can't afford it?

Feeble attempt at putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that there
should be a basic level of medicine available to everybody who needs
it no matter what wage they earn. After that, if someone wants
something more than the basic standard then they're free to go buy it.
AND, that is exactly the system that many countries operate under,
including Canada. Should someone want additional aid not covered under
the existing Canadian standard, then they can and often do head down
to the US to buy it.

That is NOT what currently exists in the US since there are millions
without ANY medical protection whatsoever.

People should be treated equally under the law, naturally - but people
are NOT equal, and never will be, and artificial methods to force them
to be equal have been repeadedly proven ineffective.

You're right, people are not treated equally. But money and power are
poor tools to differentiate equality. It's a travesty to even believe
that. Thousands of your young, less affluent people go off in your
armed services and are killed regularly. The rich and powerful sit
back and benefit from this sacrifice. What exactly makes the rich and
powerful more deserving of life? I'm kind of dumb so I'd appreciate
if you explained that one to me.

If I had more money than you, does that make me better than you? I
might be a thief and a mass murderer, but I'm better than you because
I can buy more than you can? Ridiculous assumption, but that's
essentially what you're saying to me. Being able to pay for something
is not and never will be the defining benchmark for equality or being
more equal or more deserving ~ not in a civilized society anyway.

wrote in message
...


What do you think "cash for clunkers" was all about?


Getting the Obama stickers off the road?

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Nonny

Our Congress and White House are like an
overflowing, fetid toilet. It's time to flush it, though
knowing it will soon refill with the same filth. We need
a radical change where the productive people again rule.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:40:54 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

On Mar 22, 11:53*am, " wrote:


*If you haven't taken care of yourself why should
you steal from me?


That is the stupidest thing you have ever posted... and that is saying
something.

You've just been looking in your mirror again, comrade. The stupid ones are
those who don't understand, or care about, liberty. You are a moron. I
understand uppity, he wants something for nothing.

"Upscale" wrote in message
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That is NOT what currently exists in the US since there are millions
without ANY medical protection whatsoever.

Well, not quite Dave. There are people who have no health insurances
policies, but medical care (at least fundamental care) cannot be denied in
the US, regardless of ability to pay. That's why those who can pay, pay the
premiums they do - they have to cover the cost for those who can't. Not
ideal by any means, and not an argument to keep things this way, but medical
care is there for those who can't afford policies.


You're right, people are not treated equally. But money and power are
poor tools to differentiate equality. It's a travesty to even believe
that. Thousands of your young, less affluent people go off in your
armed services and are killed regularly. The rich and powerful sit
back and benefit from this sacrifice. What exactly makes the rich and
powerful more deserving of life? I'm kind of dumb so I'd appreciate
if you explained that one to me.

The same thing that makes the rich and powerful more deserving the world
over - throughout time. It's not right, but it's universal. No need to
point that finger at the US.


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-Mike-