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Some of the major sea changes in my life.
VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4ba725b6$0$15782
: Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. Lew Hear, Hear! Now comes the real work, getting the amendments to do what the people really want, whetheer they kknow it or not. Oh wait, there are lobbyists too. Now there is a job for those who favor using guns defensively. /sarcasm -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 3/22/2010 3:09 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. Yep, a "health care bill" that requires 16,000 new IRS agents instead of doctors is a "major sea change" alright. Sounds more like the sheeple are due for another fleecing. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 3/22/2010 4:09 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford. And if the government can make us buy insurance, what's next? Bail out the auto industry by compelling everyone to buy an American car, whether they can afford one or not and regardless of whether they actually want or need a car? |
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On 3/22/2010 7:07 AM, Han wrote:
"Lew wrote in news:4ba725b6$0$15782 : Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. Lew Hear, Hear! Now comes the real work, getting the amendments to do what the people really want, whetheer they kknow it or not. Oh wait, there are lobbyists too. Now there is a job for those who favor using guns defensively. At the next election it may turn out that what the people really want is for Obama to shove his insurance industry windfall up his butt sideways. |
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On Mar 22, 8:30*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:
On 3/22/2010 4:09 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote: Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. *He's required to buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford. And if the government can make us buy insurance, what's next? *Bail out the auto industry by compelling everyone to buy an American car, whether they can afford one or not and regardless of whether they actually want or need a car? What do you think "cash for clunkers" was all about? |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. Lew Our Taliban president is killing USA without firing a shot. ww |
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On Mar 22, 10:02*am, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. *He's required to buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford.. Not too bright are you clarke? If they're going to have trouble paying for the universal medical insurance then they sure as hell are going to have much more trouble paying for medical help when they need it. Your half assed solution would be for them to declare bankruptcy to get Medicare. Exactly how many of you objectors to universal health insurance (alias greedy, selfish assholes) are willing to say that you'd happily become indigent to get Medicare? Idiot. Medicare is not for the indigent. In fact it is for the _wealthiest_ group. |
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Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford. Not too bright are you clarke? If they're going to have trouble paying for the universal medical insurance then they sure as hell are going to have much more trouble paying for medical help when they need it. Your half assed solution would be for them to declare bankruptcy to get Medicare. Exactly how many of you objectors to universal health insurance (alias greedy, selfish assholes) are willing to say that you'd happily become indigent to get Medicare? We already have a program for the indigent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford. Not too bright are you clarke? If they're going to have trouble paying for the universal medical insurance then they sure as hell are going to have much more trouble paying for medical help when they need it. Your half assed solution would be for them to declare bankruptcy to get Medicare. Exactly how many of you objectors to universal health insurance (alias greedy, selfish assholes) are willing to say that you'd happily become indigent to get Medicare? |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford. And if the government can make us buy insurance, what's next? Bail out the auto industry by compelling everyone to buy an American car, whether they can afford one or not and regardless of whether they actually want or need a car? Holy Cow! You and I agree on this one. |
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On 3/22/2010 10:34 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
Upscale wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:30:02 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: If this holds up the "little guy" takes it in the ass. He's required to buy something he can't afford or be fined an amount that he can't afford. Not too bright are you clarke? If they're going to have trouble paying for the universal medical insurance then they sure as hell are going to have much more trouble paying for medical help when they need it. So what do they give up in order to buy the insurance? Food? Heat? Your half assed solution would be for them to declare bankruptcy to get Medicare. If the government wants people to have insurance then the proper way for the government to do it is to tax them and buy the insurance, not tell them that they have to go out and buy insurance or else. Exactly how many of you objectors to universal health insurance (alias greedy, selfish assholes) are willing to say that you'd happily become indigent to get Medicare? We already have a program for the indigent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid With your new law people may end up becoming indigent who would not otherwise have done so. |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. I am confused,, so many here are sooooo against how SawStop was trying to force its product on to us and this is not a problem? |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: get Medicare. Idiot. Medicare is not for the indigent. In fact it is for the _wealthiest_ group. Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one would. Isn't it funny how almost everybody in the US that is against universal health care is currently protected by some sort of medical plan? What about all those literally millions and millions of US citizens that aren't covered by anything? They're your people and they are part of what makes the US such a great nation. Don't they deserve some sort of health protection. I once stated that the most important human right was to be healthy. Mill jumped in and stated that it was freedom. The fact is that illness and especially chronic illness without health care is a loss of freedom that the healthy can never possibly comprehend. |
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On 3/22/2010 10:50 AM, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:34:10 -0700, Doug Winterburn wrote: We already have a program for the indigent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid I know you do. I just made a mistake in calling it Medicare instead of Medicaid. The point is, that you have to become indigent to receive it. Lose everything you own just to get medical aid. One of our very vocal liberal cousins actually filed suit against Medicaid last year because her MIL's trust fund, set up for her son, was taken by the state to pay for her nursing home care. The cousin, et vir was counting on getting the $30K trust themselves, instead Medicaid and the State of Arkansas took it. She is incensed that the $30k should go to reimburse the tax payer, instead of in her pocket, since it was money her MIL left _her_. Liberals ... just as long as it's not their money! -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:34:10 -0700, Doug Winterburn
wrote: We already have a program for the indigent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid I know you do. I just made a mistake in calling it Medicare instead of Medicaid. The point is, that you have to become indigent to receive it. Lose everything you own just to get medical aid. Not a what I'd call a fair system. Everybody contributes to your country, not just the rich and powerful. |
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On Mar 22, 10:46*am, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: get Medicare. Idiot. *Medicare is not for the indigent. *In fact it is for the _wealthiest_ group. Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one would. Lying is a big deal. If you haven't taken care of yourself why should you steal from me? Isn't it funny how almost everybody in the US that is against universal health care is currently protected by some sort of medical plan? What about all those literally millions and millions of US citizens that aren't covered by anything? They're your people and they are part of what makes the US such a great nation. Don't they deserve some sort of health protection. What's next? "Free" dental care? "Free" hair cuts? "Free" housing? I once stated that the most important human right was to be healthy. That is a "right" in as much as the creator created you. "Free" access to my labor is *not*. It is slavery. Mill jumped in and stated that it was freedom. The fact is that illness and especially chronic illness without health care is a loss of freedom that the healthy can never possibly comprehend. Loss of liberty is as bad. That is what you demand. No less. |
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On Mar 22, 11:53*am, " wrote:
On Mar 22, 10:46*am, Upscale wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: get Medicare. Idiot. *Medicare is not for the indigent. *In fact it is for the _wealthiest_ group. Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one would. Lying is a big deal. *If you haven't taken care of yourself why should you steal from me? Isn't it funny how almost everybody in the US that is against universal health care is currently protected by some sort of medical plan? What about all those literally millions and millions of US citizens that aren't covered by anything? They're your people and they are part of what makes the US such a great nation. Don't they deserve some sort of health protection. What's next? *"Free" dental care? *"Free" hair cuts? *"Free" housing? I once stated that the most important human right was to be healthy. That is a "right" in as much as the creator created you. *"Free" access to my labor is *not*. *It is slavery. Mill jumped in and stated that it was freedom. The fact is that illness and especially chronic illness without health care is a loss of freedom that the healthy can never possibly comprehend. Loss of liberty is as bad. *That is what you demand. *No less. Well put. When did health care become a "right"? This is what drives me crazy. It seems that suddenly everbody is entitled to everything as a right. I actually saw somebody being interviewed (on the street) that firmly belived they had a "right" to housing. Health care (and housing) are not rights. -Jim |
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On Mar 22, 11:53*am, " wrote:
*If you haven't taken care of yourself why should you steal from me? That is the stupidest thing you have ever posted... and that is saying something. |
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On Mar 22, 12:29*pm, jtpr wrote:
On Mar 22, 11:53*am, " wrote: On Mar 22, 10:46*am, Upscale wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: get Medicare. Idiot. *Medicare is not for the indigent. *In fact it is for the _wealthiest_ group. Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one would. Lying is a big deal. *If you haven't taken care of yourself why should you steal from me? Isn't it funny how almost everybody in the US that is against universal health care is currently protected by some sort of medical plan? What about all those literally millions and millions of US citizens that aren't covered by anything? They're your people and they are part of what makes the US such a great nation. Don't they deserve some sort of health protection. What's next? *"Free" dental care? *"Free" hair cuts? *"Free" housing? I once stated that the most important human right was to be healthy. That is a "right" in as much as the creator created you. *"Free" access to my labor is *not*. *It is slavery. Mill jumped in and stated that it was freedom. The fact is that illness and especially chronic illness without health care is a loss of freedom that the healthy can never possibly comprehend. Loss of liberty is as bad. *That is what you demand. *No less. Well put. *When did health care become a "right"? *This is what drives me crazy. *It seems that suddenly everbody is entitled to everything as a right. *I actually saw somebody being interviewed (on the street) that firmly belived they had a "right" to housing. *Health care (and housing) are not rights. -Jim You're an idiot too then. Since when does somebody have to go bankrupt when they fall ill in spite of having taken good care of themselves? People get sick without having anything to do with lifestyle. When that happens, and the lifeblood is being drained from somebody, does any corporation have the RIGHT to steal all his money first because of out-of-control costs? JUST to please the share holders? It is okay in your limited mind that life is for sale? |
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On Mar 22, 11:50*am, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:34:10 -0700, Doug Winterburn wrote: We already have a program for the indigent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid I know you do. I just made a mistake in calling it Medicare instead of Medicaid. Fukkum, Dave, just fukkum. Some people have no soul. |
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On Mar 22, 11:47*am, Swingman wrote:
Liberals ... just as long as it's not their money! Come on now Karl, the Libtards don't have an exclusive on that. |
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On Mar 22, 11:43*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. I am confused,, so many here are sooooo against how SawStop was trying to force its product on to us and this is not a problem? All they're trying to do is to route the gross overpayments to the medical insurers to go to the tax coffers instead. Is that so wrong? / sarcasm |
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On 3/22/2010 11:43 AM, Leon wrote:
"Lew wrote in message ... Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. I am confused,, so many here are sooooo against how SawStop was trying to force its product on to us and this is not a problem? Well, you see this is the nice sweet honest trustworthy government that has all our best interests at heart doing it, not some EEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL (by definition) corporation. Never mind that the main beneficiary will be the insurance industry, which gets a huge influx of new policy sales from healthy young people (paying the same rates as sick old people) who are now required to buy insurance or else. |
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Sometimes we all need a reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MC37aIRX5c
What the real cost and levels of commitment are. "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. Lew |
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On Mar 22, 3:20*pm, Upscale wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT), jtpr wrote: Well put. *When did health care become a "right"? *This is what drives me crazy. *It seems that suddenly everbody is entitled to everything as a right. *I actually saw somebody being interviewed (on the street) that firmly belived they had a "right" to housing. *Health care (and housing) are not rights They're basic human rights **** head, not what's written into your constitution. They're moral rights that demand that everyone should be treated equally, not just because someone has more money or power than others around him. People like you however, just aren't capable of that kind of empathy. You're just too greedy and self centred to realize it. There is no basic human right to enslave another. You propose that your rights exceed those of another. THAT is wrong. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:53:52 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: Big deal, so I made a mistake between Medicare and Medicaid. The question remains the same. How many of you assholes would happily go through bankruptcy for health care? I can confidently say that no one would. Lying is a big deal. If you haven't taken care of yourself why should you steal from me? I made a mistake between what two services were called and you're calling me a liar? Fine, I'm a liar for not being familiar enough with the US medical terminology and you're a natural born ****ing asshole. Glad we got that settled. And, as far as stealing from you goes, 100% of the services and amenities you get are funded by the collective taxes of your country, so in effect you steal from everyone. Does that fit in with your screwed up logic? |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT), jtpr
wrote: Well put. When did health care become a "right"? This is what drives me crazy. It seems that suddenly everbody is entitled to everything as a right. I actually saw somebody being interviewed (on the street) that firmly belived they had a "right" to housing. Health care (and housing) are not rights They're basic human rights **** head, not what's written into your constitution. They're moral rights that demand that everyone should be treated equally, not just because someone has more money or power than others around him. People like you however, just aren't capable of that kind of empathy. You're just too greedy and self centred to realize it. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:01:48 -0500, "Tom B"
wrote: Sometimes we all need a reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MC37aIRX5c What the real cost and levels of commitment are. Very well said. |
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On Mar 22, 5:23*pm, vonKevin wrote:
They're basic human rights **** head, not what's written into your constitution. They're moral rights that demand that everyone should be treated equally, not just because someone has more money or power than others around him. People like you however, just aren't capable of that kind of empathy. You're just too greedy and self centred to realize it. So tell me - Are you saying that no one should be allowed to buy better than the basic health care coverage, simply because there are people who can't afford it? I guess absolutely everyone should be paid exactly the same wage, too, huh? You be sure & let me know when you feel the need to go see a Cardiac Surgeon who gets paid the same as the moron flipping burgers down at McFood, Comrade. Sounds to me you already have been misdiagnosed at the mental health clinic. NOBODY is denying anybody the right to upgrade their basic health package. NOBODY is advocating same wages for different levels of jobs/schooling/ responsibility/talent. Your premise is so ****ed as to be laughable, Kevin in Indy. But I will tell you something, that moron flipping burgers is likely to have a better moral outlook than your bigoted version thereof. You, sir, are an asshole. (Notice I did not request my post to be removed like yours, so yours will live on forever for all to laugh at.) When you are capable of rational thought, please come visit again. In the meantime, the burger flipper probably has more right to his/her paycheck than you do to yours. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: There is no basic human right to enslave another. You propose that your rights exceed those of another. THAT is wrong. You're pretty screwed up. What is wrong is that you're singling out this one specific instance as some type of enslavement. What about all the other things that you are "enslaved" for? The taxes you pay go for everything from paving roads to running zoos. The taxes you pay ideally go to pay for things that are supposed to benefit all. If I was to adopt your point of view, I could state that your taxes go to pay for US armed forces who are waging war in oil laden lands overseas because ultimately it is hoped that it will benefit the US. That makes YOU a thief, a killer and a war monger. Grow up little man and think a bit before your self-centred point of view bites you big time in the butt. |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 11:43 am, "Leon" wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Some of the major sea changes in my life. VE Day was big, but VJ Day was bigger since it truly marked the end of WWII. My graduation from college, a dream my father had but didn't live to see. Enactment of the Civil Rights Act. The passage of Medicare. The birth of my children. The end of the Viet Nam conflict Today marks the latest major sea change in my life. The little guy won a big one today with the passage of health care. I'm sure the law of unattended consequences will apply, but the bus has left the station, so hang on and enjoy the ride. I am confused,, so many here are sooooo against how SawStop was trying to force its product on to us and this is not a problem? All they're trying to do is to route the gross overpayments to the medical insurers to go to the tax coffers instead. Is that so wrong? / sarcasm I assure you that health care will double in cost with the government involved. It seems that with more unemployeed, the more the government comes up with programs to employee those people, productive or not. Its wellfare. |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 11:47 am, Swingman wrote: Liberals ... just as long as it's not their money! Come on now Karl, the Libtards don't have an exclusive on that. That is correct but the liverals are the ones that wished for it. |
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Upscale wrote in
: I'm kind of dumb so I'd appreciate if you explained that one to me. You finally got something right... |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:21:49 -0500, Upscale
wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: There is no basic human right to enslave another. You propose that your rights exceed those of another. THAT is wrong. You're pretty screwed up. What is wrong is that you're singling out this one specific instance as some type of enslavement. What about all the other things that you are "enslaved" for? The taxes you pay go for everything from paving roads to running zoos. The taxes you pay ideally go to pay for things that are supposed to benefit all. If I was to adopt your point of view, I could state that your taxes go to pay for US armed forces who are waging war in oil laden lands overseas because ultimately it is hoped that it will benefit the US. That makes YOU a thief, a killer and a war monger. Grow up little man and think a bit before your self-centred point of view bites you big time in the butt. As usual it is your whiney ass that's screwed up. The problem is not that our taxes pay for everything we benefit from. If that was the case there would be no need for such a ludicrous law. The problem is that our taxes pay for everything that those who PAY NO TAX benefit from as well. I worked hard for my money and don't appreciate being forced to give it to some lazy or illegal son-of-a-bitch. Gordon Shumway Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:23:17 -0400, vonKevin
wrote: So tell me - Are you saying that no one should be allowed to buy better than the basic health care coverage, simply because there are people who can't afford it? Feeble attempt at putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that there should be a basic level of medicine available to everybody who needs it no matter what wage they earn. After that, if someone wants something more than the basic standard then they're free to go buy it. AND, that is exactly the system that many countries operate under, including Canada. Should someone want additional aid not covered under the existing Canadian standard, then they can and often do head down to the US to buy it. That is NOT what currently exists in the US since there are millions without ANY medical protection whatsoever. People should be treated equally under the law, naturally - but people are NOT equal, and never will be, and artificial methods to force them to be equal have been repeadedly proven ineffective. You're right, people are not treated equally. But money and power are poor tools to differentiate equality. It's a travesty to even believe that. Thousands of your young, less affluent people go off in your armed services and are killed regularly. The rich and powerful sit back and benefit from this sacrifice. What exactly makes the rich and powerful more deserving of life? I'm kind of dumb so I'd appreciate if you explained that one to me. If I had more money than you, does that make me better than you? I might be a thief and a mass murderer, but I'm better than you because I can buy more than you can? Ridiculous assumption, but that's essentially what you're saying to me. Being able to pay for something is not and never will be the defining benchmark for equality or being more equal or more deserving ~ not in a civilized society anyway. |
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wrote in message ... What do you think "cash for clunkers" was all about? Getting the Obama stickers off the road? -- Nonny Our Congress and White House are like an overflowing, fetid toilet. It's time to flush it, though knowing it will soon refill with the same filth. We need a radical change where the productive people again rule. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:40:54 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote: On Mar 22, 11:53*am, " wrote: *If you haven't taken care of yourself why should you steal from me? That is the stupidest thing you have ever posted... and that is saying something. You've just been looking in your mirror again, comrade. The stupid ones are those who don't understand, or care about, liberty. You are a moron. I understand uppity, he wants something for nothing. |
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