On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:21:51 -0700, "LDosser"
wrote:

26 Number of physicians per 10,000 people in the United States
19 Number of physicians per 10,000 people in Canada

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853


So the US has 37% MORE doctors per capita than Canada! Sounds pretty
significant.

Try extrapolating the statistics a little further. The US spends
considerably more on health care than Canada does.

6,347 Dollars spent per capita on health in the United States
3,460 Dollars spent per capita on health in Canada

Factor in the extra expenditure in and the figures are remarkably
similar.

60 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health-care costs,
according to the American Journal of Medicine

47 million Number of uninsured people in the United States

15.8 Percentage of Americans without health insurance

11.7 Percentage of American children without health insurance

22 Percent increase in the number of uninsured Americans in 2006 as
compared to 2000

Courtesy of the National Post, U.S. health care by the numbers.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853

Keith Nuttle writes:
On 3/23/2010 7:53 PM, Upscale wrote:

60 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health-care costs,
according to the American Journal of Medicine

47 million Number of uninsured people in the United States

15.8 Percentage of Americans without health insurance

11.7 Percentage of American children without health insurance

22 Percent increase in the number of uninsured Americans in 2006 as
compared to 2000

Courtesy of the National Post, U.S. health care by the numbers.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853


That equals an increase in the national debt of about 2trillion dollars
per year. With the obama plan for the economy the national debt will be

Horse****. Please provide citations to someone more reliable than Rush or Beck.

scott

On 03/23/2010 02:56 PM, busbus wrote:

Like i have been opining: I want to go back to our real form of
government--a REPUBLIC. People think we are a democracy and we are
NOT.

Would it not be true to say that the US is a representative democracy,
but where majority rule is tempered by minority rights?

And as for what happened on Sunday and this morning, with the
Democrats ramming something down the throats of the American people
even thought we did not want it

Isn't this the whole point of representative democracy? You don't need
a majority of the population as a whole to support something, only a
majority of the delegates.

Also, it seems like "ramming down the throats" a bit strong for
something that was a plank in his platform starting several years ago.

As of yesterday's Gallup poll results, 49% of adult Americans thought
the passage of the bill was a "good thing" and 40% though it was a "bad
thing".
(http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Sl...l-Passage.aspx)

Chris

On 3/23/2010 6:09 PM, LDosser wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 1:54 AM, LDosser wrote:
"CW" wrote in message
...

"LDosser" wrote in message
...

Illegal Aliens. They deserve a bus ride to the Mexican border.


It's been tried. They generally beat the bus back.


Razor wire backed by an electric fence - the kind the Gestapo used.

And yet somehow Chuck Yeager and thousands of other downed airmen
managed to walk out of occupied Europe. Their "razor wire backed by an
electric fence" wasn't even effective in keeping people inside a prison.





Apples and Oranges

How so? Are you saying that Mexicans are less creative than Frenchmen?

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:03:05 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:
There is a serious shortage of doctors in Canada, especially rural
Canada. This is a fact.

Yes, it's a serious problem. Much of our northern climate communities
struggle for health care. Isolation and such things as the lure of
money in other unnamed countries lure physicians, nurses and other
medical professionals away.

Don't accuse me of blindly doing anything.

Why would I accuse you of anything? You've pointed out a serious known
problem without a currently viable solution.

"Upscale" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:21:51 -0700, "LDosser"
wrote:

26 Number of physicians per 10,000 people in the United States
19 Number of physicians per 10,000 people in Canada

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853


So the US has 37% MORE doctors per capita than Canada! Sounds pretty
significant.

Try extrapolating the statistics a little further. The US spends
considerably more on health care than Canada does.

6,347 Dollars spent per capita on health in the United States
3,460 Dollars spent per capita on health in Canada

Factor in the extra expenditure in and the figures are remarkably
similar.


Oh?

"Upscale" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:22:01 -0400, wrote:

40 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health care costs were
people WHO HAD INSURANCE. Various caps, exclusions, and limits kicked
in and ruined them.

Even if that's so, what's your point? What I can see is that there's
serious problems in the US and other places with healthcare. Everybody
who is crying foul about the currently health care legislation that's
coming into effect have conveniently neglected to offer some effective
solution to the current and increasing problem.

Maybe the currently legislation will screw things up worse, who knows?
But just maybe, it might be the beginning of something better. Sure
there's going to be growing pains, but just maintaining status quo
does not seem to be working out very well.


Oh, no question we'll move from the status quo. Expect insurance rates to
rise by a Significant amount, thus creating more uninsured. Also expect all
the new taxes through 2013 will be used as general fund revenue. When the
money is actually needed starting in 2014 we'll borrow it from the Chinese
or whoever is stupid enough to loan it to us. Maybe Venezuela.

"Chris Friesen" wrote in message
...
On 03/23/2010 02:56 PM, busbus wrote:

Like i have been opining: I want to go back to our real form of
government--a REPUBLIC. People think we are a democracy and we are
NOT.

Would it not be true to say that the US is a representative democracy,
but where majority rule is tempered by minority rights?

And as for what happened on Sunday and this morning, with the
Democrats ramming something down the throats of the American people
even thought we did not want it

Isn't this the whole point of representative democracy? You don't need
a majority of the population as a whole to support something, only a
majority of the delegates.

Also, it seems like "ramming down the throats" a bit strong for
something that was a plank in his platform starting several years ago.

As of yesterday's Gallup poll results, 49% of adult Americans thought
the passage of the bill was a "good thing" and 40% though it was a "bad
thing".
(http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Sl...l-Passage.aspx)

Chris


Wait until their health insurance rates go UP and ask again.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:22:01 -0400, wrote:

40 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health care costs were
people WHO HAD INSURANCE. Various caps, exclusions, and limits kicked
in and ruined them.

Even if that's so, what's your point? What I can see is that there's
serious problems in the US and other places with healthcare. Everybody
who is crying foul about the currently health care legislation that's
coming into effect have conveniently neglected to offer some effective
solution to the current and increasing problem.

Maybe the currently legislation will screw things up worse, who knows?
But just maybe, it might be the beginning of something better. Sure
there's going to be growing pains, but just maintaining status quo
does not seem to be working out very well.

Jack Stein wrote in -
september.org:

Han wrote:

I'm also in favor of teaching birth control to kids.

You're not allowed to teach your kids birth control?

Where *do* you live?

I thought I knew English reasonably well, so pardon my surprise at your
question. I live in New Jersey, Bergen county.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 2010-03-22 22:01:18 -0400, "J. Clarke" said:

This is not about supporting deadbeats and illegals, it's about the
government ordering us to buy something that we don't want. Not taxing
us and having it provided, but telling us you _must_ buy this product.

Show of hands, please. Who here does not already buy health insurance?

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:25:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 3/23/2010 7:53 PM, Upscale wrote:

60 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health-care costs,
according to the American Journal of Medicine

47 million Number of uninsured people in the United States

15.8 Percentage of Americans without health insurance

11.7 Percentage of American children without health insurance

22 Percent increase in the number of uninsured Americans in 2006 as
compared to 2000

Courtesy of the National Post, U.S. health care by the numbers.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853


That equals an increase in the national debt of about 2trillion dollars
per year. With the obama plan for the economy the national debt will be
greater that the gross national product and we will all live like the
third world countries whose leaders obama idolizes.

If you do not have a job now forget it.
It's already a third world country. The only difference is it will
soon be a third world country where even the poor don't have to die
because they cannot afford to see a doctor.

On 24 Mar 2010 00:20:36 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Keith Nuttle writes:
On 3/23/2010 7:53 PM, Upscale wrote:

60 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health-care costs,
according to the American Journal of Medicine

47 million Number of uninsured people in the United States

15.8 Percentage of Americans without health insurance

11.7 Percentage of American children without health insurance

22 Percent increase in the number of uninsured Americans in 2006 as
compared to 2000

Courtesy of the National Post, U.S. health care by the numbers.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853


That equals an increase in the national debt of about 2trillion dollars
per year. With the obama plan for the economy the national debt will be

Horse****. Please provide citations to someone more reliable than Rush or Beck.

scott
The GNP will go up because those who are too sick to work, and those
who need to take care of them, will be able to be productive members
of society.

With a little bit of editing of the above posts, "the national debt
will be ---- Horse****."

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:54:03 -0700, the infamous "LDosser"
scrawled the following:

"CW" wrote in message
...

"LDosser" wrote in message
...

Illegal Aliens. They deserve a bus ride to the Mexican border.


It's been tried. They generally beat the bus back.


Razor wire backed by an electric fence - the kind the Gestapo used.

My favorite fantasy is a vaporizing laser system on both borders.
No fuss, no muss, no burial fees, no transportation fees, no legal
fees, just a big puff of smoke as you're instantly toasted. The perp's
minerals will enrich the ground they drop to.

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

On 3/23/2010 7:37 PM, LDosser wrote:

Oh, no question we'll move from the status quo. Expect insurance rates
to rise by a Significant amount, thus creating more uninsured. Also
expect all the new taxes through 2013 will be used as general fund
revenue. When the money is actually needed starting in 2014 we'll borrow
it from the Chinese or whoever is stupid enough to loan it to us. Maybe
Venezuela.

FARKINGGGGGG!!!! BINGO! You nailed it, I'm sad to say ...

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 6:09 PM, LDosser wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 1:54 AM, LDosser wrote:
"CW" wrote in message
...

"LDosser" wrote in message
...

Illegal Aliens. They deserve a bus ride to the Mexican border.


It's been tried. They generally beat the bus back.


Razor wire backed by an electric fence - the kind the Gestapo used.

And yet somehow Chuck Yeager and thousands of other downed airmen
managed to walk out of occupied Europe. Their "razor wire backed by an
electric fence" wasn't even effective in keeping people inside a prison.





Apples and Oranges

How so? Are you saying that Mexicans are less creative than Frenchmen?


Are you comparing Mexico to a prison?

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:54:03 -0700, the infamous "LDosser"
scrawled the following:

"CW" wrote in message
...

"LDosser" wrote in message
...

Illegal Aliens. They deserve a bus ride to the Mexican border.


It's been tried. They generally beat the bus back.


Razor wire backed by an electric fence - the kind the Gestapo used.

My favorite fantasy is a vaporizing laser system on both borders.
No fuss, no muss, no burial fees, no transportation fees, no legal
fees, just a big puff of smoke as you're instantly toasted. The perp's
minerals will enrich the ground they drop to.


And the borders could serve as a weapons testing ground. I like it!

wrote in message
...
On 24 Mar 2010 00:20:36 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Keith Nuttle writes:
On 3/23/2010 7:53 PM, Upscale wrote:

60 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health-care costs,
according to the American Journal of Medicine

47 million Number of uninsured people in the United States

15.8 Percentage of Americans without health insurance

11.7 Percentage of American children without health insurance

22 Percent increase in the number of uninsured Americans in 2006 as
compared to 2000

Courtesy of the National Post, U.S. health care by the numbers.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853


That equals an increase in the national debt of about 2trillion dollars
per year. With the obama plan for the economy the national debt will be

Horse****. Please provide citations to someone more reliable than Rush or
Beck.

scott
The GNP will go up because those who are too sick to work, and those
who need to take care of them, will be able to be productive members
of society.

Will he also Raise The Dead?


With a little bit of editing of the above posts, "the national debt
will be ---- Horse****."

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:25:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 3/23/2010 7:53 PM, Upscale wrote:

60 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health-care costs,
according to the American Journal of Medicine

47 million Number of uninsured people in the United States

15.8 Percentage of Americans without health insurance

11.7 Percentage of American children without health insurance

22 Percent increase in the number of uninsured Americans in 2006 as
compared to 2000

Courtesy of the National Post, U.S. health care by the numbers.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853


That equals an increase in the national debt of about 2trillion dollars
per year. With the obama plan for the economy the national debt will be
greater that the gross national product and we will all live like the
third world countries whose leaders obama idolizes.

If you do not have a job now forget it.
It's already a third world country. The only difference is it will
soon be a third world country where even the poor don't have to die
because they cannot afford to see a doctor.


They'll just die waiting on line clutching a number ...

On 3/23/2010 8:35 PM, LDosser wrote:

If you do not have a job now forget it.
It's already a third world country. The only difference is it will
soon be a third world country where even the poor don't have to die
because they cannot afford to see a doctor.


They'll just die waiting on line clutching a number ...

Poetry ...

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 3/23/2010 9:10 PM, Steve wrote:
On 2010-03-22 22:01:18 -0400, "J. Clarke" said:

This is not about supporting deadbeats and illegals, it's about the
government ordering us to buy something that we don't want. Not taxing
us and having it provided, but telling us you _must_ buy this product.

Show of hands, please. Who here does not already buy health insurance?

And suppose everyone here has it, or nobody here has it, or some of us
have it and some of us don't, what of it? I'm sorry, but your poll has
no relevance to the point in question.

Suppose the government told you that you _must_ buy a Unisaw whether you
want one or not and whether you can afford one or not. Would you say
that that was acceptable? If not then why is them telling you that you
_must_ buy insurance acceptable?

On 3/23/2010 8:37 PM, LDosser wrote:
"Upscale" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:22:01 -0400, wrote:

40 Percent of personal bankruptcies caused by health care costs were
people WHO HAD INSURANCE. Various caps, exclusions, and limits kicked
in and ruined them.

Even if that's so, what's your point? What I can see is that there's
serious problems in the US and other places with healthcare. Everybody
who is crying foul about the currently health care legislation that's
coming into effect have conveniently neglected to offer some effective
solution to the current and increasing problem.

Maybe the currently legislation will screw things up worse, who knows?
But just maybe, it might be the beginning of something better. Sure
there's going to be growing pains, but just maintaining status quo
does not seem to be working out very well.


Oh, no question we'll move from the status quo. Expect insurance rates
to rise by a Significant amount, thus creating more uninsured.

You're not allowed to be uninsured anymore. They can confiscate your
property for that now.

Also
expect all the new taxes through 2013 will be used as general fund
revenue. When the money is actually needed starting in 2014 we'll borrow
it from the Chinese or whoever is stupid enough to loan it to us. Maybe
Venezuela.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 3/23/2010 9:10 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:


I agree ...

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Mar 23, 10:47*pm, Swingman wrote:
On 3/23/2010 9:10 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:



I agree ...

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Nobody says it quite like Morris.

On 3/23/2010 9:32 PM, LDosser wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 6:09 PM, LDosser wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 1:54 AM, LDosser wrote:
"CW" wrote in message
...

"LDosser" wrote in message
...

Illegal Aliens. They deserve a bus ride to the Mexican border.


It's been tried. They generally beat the bus back.


Razor wire backed by an electric fence - the kind the Gestapo used.

And yet somehow Chuck Yeager and thousands of other downed airmen
managed to walk out of occupied Europe. Their "razor wire backed by an
electric fence" wasn't even effective in keeping people inside a
prison.





Apples and Oranges

How so? Are you saying that Mexicans are less creative than Frenchmen?


Are you comparing Mexico to a prison?

My point is that the Gestapo's razor wire could not keep people in a
little tiny prison, let alone a whole country, hence the notion that
"razor wire backed by an electric fence" will keep Mexicans out of the
US is wishful thinking.

On 3/23/2010 9:33 PM, LDosser wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:54:03 -0700, the infamous "LDosser"
scrawled the following:

"CW" wrote in message
...

"LDosser" wrote in message
...

Illegal Aliens. They deserve a bus ride to the Mexican border.


It's been tried. They generally beat the bus back.


Razor wire backed by an electric fence - the kind the Gestapo used.

My favorite fantasy is a vaporizing laser system on both borders.
No fuss, no muss, no burial fees, no transportation fees, no legal
fees, just a big puff of smoke as you're instantly toasted. The perp's
minerals will enrich the ground they drop to.


And the borders could serve as a weapons testing ground. I like it!

cough due process cough

And you really think you're good Americans don't you.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

Suppose the government told you that you _must_ buy a Unisaw whether you
want one or not and whether you can afford one or not. Would you say that
that was acceptable? If not then why is them telling you that you _must_
buy insurance acceptable?


I haven't decided my position on this issue, but I see a problem with the
analogy above.
Everyone would benefit from having insurance--even if they can't afford it,
but not everyone would benefit from having
a Unisaw. Think of the spending as raising the level of happiness accross
the population, as a shared expense, as the cost of war presumably does.
Whether such a system would work well is another question entirely.

Swingman wrote:
On 3/23/2010 8:35 PM, LDosser wrote:

If you do not have a job now forget it.
It's already a third world country. The only difference is it will
soon be a third world country where even the poor don't have to die
because they cannot afford to see a doctor.


They'll just die waiting on line clutching a number ...

Poetry ...


THE SKY IS FALLING !!! THE SKY IS FALLING !!! SKY IS FALLING
!!! THE SKY IS FALLING !!! THE SKY IS FALLING !!!

THE SKY IS FALLING !!! And _ _ _ _ _ ETC ! ! !

On 3/23/2010 11:41 PM, Bill wrote:
"J. wrote in message
...

Suppose the government told you that you _must_ buy a Unisaw whether you
want one or not and whether you can afford one or not. Would you say that
that was acceptable? If not then why is them telling you that you _must_
buy insurance acceptable?


I haven't decided my position on this issue, but I see a problem with the
analogy above.
Everyone would benefit from having insurance--even if they can't afford it,
but not everyone would benefit from having
a Unisaw. Think of the spending as raising the level of happiness accross
the population, as a shared expense, as the cost of war presumably does.
Whether such a system would work well is another question entirely.

Whether it works well is irrelevant. Whether one benefits is
irrelevant. The issue is the power of the government to compel someone
to purchase a commercial product. If they can order you to purchase
insurance, what prevents them from ordering you to purchase a Unisaw?

Upscale wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:53:40 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

In article , Keith Nuttle
wrote:

You have to wait months for procedures because there are significantly
less doctors per 1000 people in Canada than in the US.

I suggest you do a little research before you blindingly jump on
Nuttle's incorrect bandwagon.

The current number of physicians per people in Canada is NOT
significantly different. Despite spending more per capita, the U.S.
does not deliver better medical care than many other countries.

26 Number of physicians per 10,000 people in the United States
19 Number of physicians per 10,000 people in Canada

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894853

Math is not exactly your strong suit, is it?

That's 27% fewer doctors per 10,0000 people compared to the US (referenced
to the US allocation, 37% fewer referenced to the Canadian allocation) . It
also means that the US has about 385 people per doctor while Canada has 526
people per doctor. A difference of 142 people per doctor seems pretty
significant.


If medical care in the US is not better than Canada, why did one of your
country's leaders elect to have his heart surgery done in the US rather than
Canada? Why do Canadians who can afford it coming to the US for treatment
rather than enduring the waiting list in the equivalent care Canada?


--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

Chris Friesen wrote:

On 03/23/2010 02:56 PM, busbus wrote:

Like i have been opining: I want to go back to our real form of
government--a REPUBLIC. People think we are a democracy and we are
NOT.

Would it not be true to say that the US is a representative democracy,
but where majority rule is tempered by minority rights?

And as for what happened on Sunday and this morning, with the
Democrats ramming something down the throats of the American people
even thought we did not want it

Isn't this the whole point of representative democracy? You don't need
a majority of the population as a whole to support something, only a
majority of the delegates.

Also, it seems like "ramming down the throats" a bit strong for
something that was a plank in his platform starting several years ago.

As of yesterday's Gallup poll results, 49% of adult Americans thought
the passage of the bill was a "good thing" and 40% though it was a "bad
thing".
(http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Sl...icans-Support-
Healthcare-Bill-Passage.aspx)


Gallup poll was skewed. Democrat/Republican/Independent internals skewed
heavily Democrat. It was also adults vs. likely voters. Rasmussen poll of
likely voters shows 41% favor, 54% opposed. Intensity of likely voters is
also significant: 26% strongly favor, 45% strongly oppose. You do the math
regarding what that means for November


Chris

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On 3/23/2010 8:29 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

My favorite fantasy is a vaporizing laser system on both borders.
No fuss, no muss, no burial fees, no transportation fees, no legal
fees, just a big puff of smoke as you're instantly toasted. The perp's
minerals will enrich the ground they drop to.

Neener, neener - my fantasies are better than your fantasies!

http://images.google.com/images?q=mexican%20actresses

You must be a _lot_ older than I'd guessed...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Jack Stein wrote:

Mark & Juanita wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:

, so hang on and enjoy the ride.

Nyet, comrade.


Those legislators who have decided to govern against the will of the
people (anywhere from 60 to 80% opposition depending upon the poll) have
sown the wind. They can expect to reap the whirlwind come November.

Depends on how many fake voter registrations ACORN can get going so the
votes don't exceed the number of registered voters., and if the
socialist *******s can get the illegal alien vote legalized... well,
it's over.


Some things working in our favor.
1) McCain is having to run for re-election here in AZ. His support of
amnesty would torpedo any chance of surviving the primary, let alone getting
re-elected. So, as far as aisle-crossers goes, they'll have Senator
Grahamnesty, maybe the Maine sisters if they aren't standing for re-
election. Specter left, so he's not a cross-over. There will be some
southern dems who won't be able to vote for amnesty, so this is going to be
as ugly for the Dems as the republicans.

2) The Republicans always have to have a margin of victory that exceeds the
margin of vote fraud. In this case, the anger is so significant, the margin
of fraud would be noticeable even to the leftist media.


--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

LDosser wrote:

"Jack Stein" wrote in message
...
Mark & Juanita wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:

, so hang on and enjoy the ride.

Nyet, comrade.


Those legislators who have decided to govern against the will of the
people (anywhere from 60 to 80% opposition depending upon the poll) have
sown the wind. They can expect to reap the whirlwind come November.

Depends on how many fake voter registrations ACORN can get going so the
votes don't exceed the number of registered voters., and if the socialist
*******s can get the illegal alien vote legalized... well, it's over.

ACORN is Folding.

Nah, just re-constituting. The name will change, the fraud and deceit
will continue, just under a new name -- maybe PINE or PONDEROSA, but same
bunch.

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

"Morris Dovey" wrote:

Neener, neener - my fantasies are better than your fantasies!

http://images.google.com/images?q=mexican%20actresses

I'm with Mooris.

Lew

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 11:41 PM, Bill wrote:
"J. wrote in message
...

Suppose the government told you that you _must_ buy a Unisaw whether you
want one or not and whether you can afford one or not. Would you say
that
that was acceptable? If not then why is them telling you that you
_must_
buy insurance acceptable?


I haven't decided my position on this issue, but I see a problem with the
analogy above.
Everyone would benefit from having insurance--even if they can't afford
it,
but not everyone would benefit from having
a Unisaw. Think of the spending as raising the level of happiness
accross
the population, as a shared expense, as the cost of war presumably does.
Whether such a system would work well is another question entirely.

Whether it works well is irrelevant. Whether one benefits is irrelevant.
The issue is the power of the government to compel someone to purchase a
commercial product.

I didn't read many posts before I jumped in. But, what's the difference
between
what you described above and taxation? I think the newly proposed system
is intended to help the poor--yes, at a cost to those that are in a better
position.
But....as you know, our health care system costs are wrecking havoc on our
country.
FWIW, I have republican ideals but I am sensitive to the needs of the
mentally
disabled, for instance, too. Some folks need medicine more than they need a
Unisaw. One could argue that health is a more basic need than that of
machinery.
I believe we are to great a country to allow people to suffer because they
don't
have a health care plan.



If they can order you to purchase
insurance, what prevents them from ordering you to purchase a Unisaw?

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On 3/23/2010 11:41 PM, Bill wrote:
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Suppose the government told you that you _must_ buy a Unisaw whether
you
want one or not and whether you can afford one or not. Would you say
that
that was acceptable? If not then why is them telling you that you
_must_
buy insurance acceptable?


I haven't decided my position on this issue, but I see a problem with
the
analogy above.
Everyone would benefit from having insurance--even if they can't afford
it,
but not everyone would benefit from having
a Unisaw. Think of the spending as raising the level of happiness
accross
the population, as a shared expense, as the cost of war presumably does.
Whether such a system would work well is another question entirely.

Whether it works well is irrelevant. Whether one benefits is irrelevant.
The issue is the power of the government to compel someone to purchase a
commercial product.

I didn't read many posts before I jumped in. But, what's the difference
between
what you described above and taxation? I think the newly proposed system
is intended to help the poor--yes, at a cost to those that are in a better
position.
But....as you know, our health care system costs are wrecking havoc on our
country.
FWIW, I have republican ideals but I am sensitive to the needs of the
mentally
disabled, for instance, too. Some folks need medicine more than they need
a
Unisaw. One could argue that health is a more basic need than that of
machinery.
I believe we are to great a country to allow people to suffer because they
don't
have a health care plan.


They don't.

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On 3/23/2010 9:32 PM, LDosser wrote:
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On 3/23/2010 6:09 PM, LDosser wrote:
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On 3/23/2010 1:54 AM, LDosser wrote:
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Illegal Aliens. They deserve a bus ride to the Mexican border.


It's been tried. They generally beat the bus back.


Razor wire backed by an electric fence - the kind the Gestapo used.

And yet somehow Chuck Yeager and thousands of other downed airmen
managed to walk out of occupied Europe. Their "razor wire backed by an
electric fence" wasn't even effective in keeping people inside a
prison.





Apples and Oranges

How so? Are you saying that Mexicans are less creative than Frenchmen?


Are you comparing Mexico to a prison?

My point is that the Gestapo's razor wire could not keep people in a
little tiny prison, let alone a whole country, hence the notion that
"razor wire backed by an electric fence" will keep Mexicans out of the US
is wishful thinking.


No, it isn't. Escaping from the Gestapo was risking life to save your life.