I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! Just a very happy end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

GarageWoodworks wrote:
I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! Just a very happy end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

do you think would this work for micron or submicron particles? i've been
looking for something like this for my sandblaster.

On 01/15/2010 12:51 PM, charlie wrote:
GarageWoodworks wrote:
I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! Just a very happy end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

do you think would this work for micron or submicron particles? i've been
looking for something like this for my sandblaster.

I'm sure it would help. Exactly how much is tough to say.

ClearVue had what I consider a better design in their CV06, based on
Bill Pentz's improvements to give better separation and reduced resistance.

However, Oneida took out a patent on the design and forced them to stop
selling it (even though the design was public well before Oneida
patented it). Anyways, they still sell the conversion lid, which is
arguably the slickest solution for portable shopvac use though it does
require a particular shopvac.

http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/Ridgid_Conversion.htm

Chris

"charlie" wrote in message
...
GarageWoodworks wrote:
I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! Just a very happy end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

do you think would this work for micron or submicron particles? i've been
looking for something like this for my sandblaster.


That would probably depend on the filter in the vacuum. Typically the
cyclone type separators simply separate the large debris from the fine dust.
The fine dust is usually captured by a different filter.

On Jan 15, 2:34*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"charlie" wrote in message

...

GarageWoodworks wrote:
I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. *For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! * Just a very happy end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

do you think would this work for micron or submicron particles? i've been
looking for something like this for my sandblaster.

That would probably depend on the filter in the vacuum. *Typically the
cyclone type separators simply separate the large debris from the fine dust.
The fine dust is usually captured by a different filter.

Not accurate. I had some very fine saw dust in the bucket in my
review. Almost no sawdust ended up in the shop vac or attached to
the filter.

On Jan 15, 1:51*pm, "charlie" wrote:
GarageWoodworks wrote:
I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. *For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! * Just a very happy end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

do you think would this work for micron or submicron particles? i've been
looking for something like this for my sandblaster.

I'm also sure it would help significantly. I'm tempted to try talcum
powder to see how well it performs.

"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message
...
I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! Just a very happy end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com


Pretty cool... I have often wondered about these type portable units.

You mention that you used a 5 gal bucket and you could use have used a 10
gal bucket. I wonder if the size of the container really matters as long
as it is at least 5 gal and is air tight.
The reason I ask is that you mentioned the tendency for the unit to tip. If
you attached a larger container to the unit it may not be so easily tipped.
Additionally you might consider using a longer hose to get to where you need
to go so that you could fasten the bucket down.
I use a 20' flexible hose with my DC and that works very well, not having to
move the DC, except to empty it.

On Jan 15, 2:53*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message

...

I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. *For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! * Just a very happy end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

Pretty cool... I have often wondered about these type portable units.

You mention that you used a 5 gal bucket and you could use have used a 10
gal bucket. * I wonder if the size of the container really matters as long
as it is at least 5 gal and is air tight.
The reason I ask is that you mentioned the tendency for the unit to tip. *If
you attached a larger container to the unit it may not be so easily tipped.
Additionally you might consider using a longer hose to get to where you need
to go so that you could fasten the bucket down.
I use a 20' flexible hose with my DC and that works very well, not having to
move the DC, except to empty it.

You can use a bucket/drum upto 10 gallons. I have a larger bucket
that I intend to use, but I wanted to do the review using a bucket
that most people would have access to. This thing is really cool and
is very SOLID (thick plastic and heavy).

GarageWoodworks wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:34 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"charlie" wrote in message

...

GarageWoodworks wrote:
I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.
http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php
NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! Just a very happy end-user.
Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com
do you think would this work for micron or submicron particles? i've been
looking for something like this for my sandblaster.
That would probably depend on the filter in the vacuum. Typically the
cyclone type separators simply separate the large debris from the fine dust.
The fine dust is usually captured by a different filter.

Not accurate. I had some very fine saw dust in the bucket in my
review. Almost no sawdust ended up in the shop vac or attached to
the filter.

That's dependent on the definition of "fine". It's difficult to
generate micron or submicron w/ a saw; even most sanding dust is larger
than that.

The effectiveness of a cyclone separator depends on the mass of the
particulate being great enough that its inertia will be too large for it
(the particle) to follow the curvature of the air stream.
Smaller/lighter means they will be entrained in the air flow and follow
it rather than being separated.

--

On Jan 15, 3:31*pm, dpb wrote:
GarageWoodworks wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:34 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"charlie" wrote in message

...

GarageWoodworks wrote:
I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. *For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.
http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php
NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! * Just a very happy end-user.
Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com
do you think would this work for micron or submicron particles? i've been
looking for something like this for my sandblaster.
That would probably depend on the filter in the vacuum. *Typically the
cyclone type separators simply separate the large debris from the fine dust.
The fine dust is usually captured by a different filter.

Not accurate. *I had some very fine saw dust in the bucket in my
review. * Almost no sawdust ended up in the shop vac or attached to
the filter.

That's dependent on the definition of "fine". *It's difficult to
generate micron or submicron w/ a saw; even most sanding dust is larger
than that.

That depends on your definition/utilization of micron and submicron.

The width of a 4/4 board could be measured in microns.




The effectiveness of a cyclone separator depends on the mass of the
particulate being great enough that its inertia will be too large for it
(the particle) to follow the curvature of the air stream.
Smaller/lighter means they will be entrained in the air flow and follow
it rather than being separated.

--

"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message
...

I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

I got one recently (on sale at Woodcraft) and have been pleased. I did have
two problems. First, the plastic connectors on the hose that connects the
cyclone to the shop vac split when hooked up to the cyclone although it was
simple to fix that with duct tape and a hose-clamp. I was going to contact
the company and ask for new connectors but there seemed little point
considering a permanent fix was cheap and easy (and the new connectors would
probably have split too). Second, the cyclone did not work at all with the
really narrow hose on my old shop vac, it seemed to reduce airflow so much
that the hose kept clogging. However once I used a wider after-market hose
(from Mr. Nozzle--also on sale at Woodcraft) the cyclone worked very
well--so now I'm completely happy with it.

BTW, I recommend those hoses from Mr. Nozzle, I'm going to get at least one
more so I don't have to move one hose between multiple applications.

One trick to prevent the cyclone from tipping over is to use two 5-gallon
buckets nested with something heavy like a weight-lifting plate between the
two buckets. That way you can easily empty the top bucket and leave the
weight in the bottom one. I assume I'm not the only one with unused
weigh-lifting gear in the garage. Of course if you have a sufficiently
large shop vac you can fasten the cyclone right to the shop vac.

On Jan 15, 3:56*pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message

...

I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and was very
pleased with the results. *For those of you (like me) with a small
shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw dust clean-up and extraction
this thing is a must.

I got one recently (on sale at Woodcraft) and have been pleased. *I did have
two problems. *First, the plastic connectors on the hose that connects the
cyclone to the shop vac split when hooked up to the cyclone although it was
simple to fix that with duct tape and a hose-clamp. *I was going to contact
the company and ask for new connectors but there seemed little point
considering a permanent fix was cheap and easy (and the new connectors would
probably have split too). *Second, the cyclone did not work at all with the
really narrow hose on my old shop vac, it seemed to reduce airflow so much
that the hose kept clogging. *However once I used a wider after-market hose
(from Mr. Nozzle--also on sale at Woodcraft) the cyclone worked very
well--so now I'm completely happy with it.

BTW, I recommend those hoses from Mr. Nozzle, I'm going to get at least one
more so I don't have to move one hose between multiple applications.

One trick to prevent the cyclone from tipping over is to use two 5-gallon
buckets nested with something heavy like a weight-lifting plate between the
two buckets. *That way you can easily empty the top bucket and leave the
weight in the bottom one.

Neat idea!

*I assume I'm not the only one with unused
weigh-lifting gear in the garage. *Of course if you have a sufficiently
large shop vac you can fasten the cyclone right to the shop vac.

"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message
...

That would probably depend on the filter in the vacuum. Typically the
cyclone type separators simply separate the large debris from the fine
dust.
The fine dust is usually captured by a different filter.

Not accurate. I had some very fine saw dust in the bucket in my
review. Almost no sawdust ended up in the shop vac or attached to
the filter.


Fine dust normally does not take up much space, it compacts well. Would'nt
that be what you actually did find in your shop vac?

"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message
...

You can use a bucket/drum upto 10 gallons. I have a larger bucket
that I intend to use, but I wanted to do the review using a bucket
that most people would have access to. This thing is really cool and
is very SOLID (thick plastic and heavy).

Understood, but going beyond what the instructions called for, do you know
of any reason that you could not use an air tight 20 gal container?

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:36:05 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:

Understood, but going beyond what the instructions called for, do you know
of any reason that you could not use an air tight 20 gal container?

Is the dust dropped in or blown in? If it's blown in, wouldn't an air
tight container interfere with the collection of the dust?

On Jan 15, 4:36*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message

...

You can use a bucket/drum upto 10 gallons. * I have a larger bucket
that I intend to use, but I wanted to do the review using a bucket
that most people would have access to. *This thing is really cool and
is very SOLID (thick plastic and heavy).

Understood, but going beyond *what the instructions called for, do you know
of any reason that you could not use an air tight 20 gal container?

I don't see any reason why you couldn't. The limiting factor with
increased bucket volume will be your shop vac strength. The larger
the volume, the harder the vacuum has to work and vacuum suction
should drop. I guess it's the same with duct work and a central shop
vac. If the duct work run is too long, suction suffers.

On Jan 15, 4:41*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:36:05 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:

Understood, but going beyond *what the instructions called for, do you know
of any reason that you could not use an air tight 20 gal container?

Is the dust dropped in or blown in? If it's blown in, wouldn't an air
tight container interfere with the collection of the dust?

It's dropped in. It spins around the cyclone and stays on the outside
edge due to centripetal force. The air flow stays in the center
moving in the opposite direction of dust flow (fall due to gravity).

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:48:38 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
It's dropped in. It spins around the cyclone and stays on the outside
edge due to centripetal force. The air flow stays in the center
moving in the opposite direction of dust flow (fall due to gravity).

Ok thanks. I have exactly zero experience with a cyclone dust
collector.

On Jan 15, 4:41*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:36:05 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:

Understood, but going beyond *what the instructions called for, do you know
of any reason that you could not use an air tight 20 gal container?

Is the dust dropped in or blown in? If it's blown in, wouldn't an air
tight container interfere with the collection of the dust?

See this link for a better explanation:
http://www.farrapc.com/products/cycl...-cyclone-works

On Jan 15, 4:48*pm, GarageWoodworks
wrote:
On Jan 15, 4:41*pm, wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:36:05 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:

Understood, but going beyond *what the instructions called for, do you know
of any reason that you could not use an air tight 20 gal container?

Is the dust dropped in or blown in? If it's blown in, wouldn't an air
tight container interfere with the collection of the dust?

It's dropped in. *It spins around the cyclone and stays on the outside
edge due to centripetal force. *The air flow stays in the center
moving in the opposite direction of dust flow (fall due to gravity).

centrifugal NOT centripetal

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:50:48 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
See this link for a better explanation:
http://www.farrapc.com/products/cycl...-cyclone-works

Looking at the link, it sounds very similar to the eye of a tornado
where the centre of it is calm and everything just drops down.

On 01/15/2010 03:51 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
On Jan 15, 4:48 pm, GarageWoodworks

It's dropped in. It spins around the cyclone and stays on the outside
edge due to centripetal force. The air flow stays in the center
moving in the opposite direction of dust flow (fall due to gravity).

centrifugal NOT centripetal

Nah, you were right the first time.

Chris

On 01/15/2010 03:46 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
On Jan 15, 4:36 pm, "Leon" wrote:

Understood, but going beyond what the instructions called for, do you know
of any reason that you could not use an air tight 20 gal container?

I don't see any reason why you couldn't. The limiting factor with
increased bucket volume will be your shop vac strength. The larger
the volume, the harder the vacuum has to work and vacuum suction
should drop.

Sorry, this is completely wrong. As long as the lid is airtight, it
matters not at all how big the container is. Given that you're reducing
the pressure in the container the only difference from a larger
container is that it will take a fraction of a second longer to get
suction at the end of the hose when you turn on the vac (since you need
to suck the air out of the container first).

I guess it's the same with duct work and a central shop
vac. If the duct work run is too long, suction suffers.

Long duct runs result in an increase in static pressure in the ductwork.
For a given amount of suction from the blower, this results in less
airflow. This is totally separate from the size of the cyclone container.

Chris

On Jan 15, 6:26*pm, Chris Friesen wrote:
On 01/15/2010 03:46 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:

On Jan 15, 4:36 pm, "Leon" wrote:
Understood, but going beyond *what the instructions called for, do you know
of any reason that you could not use an air tight 20 gal container?

I don't see any reason why you couldn't. *The limiting factor with
increased bucket volume will be your shop vac strength. *The larger
the volume, the harder the vacuum has to work and vacuum suction
should drop.

Sorry, this is completely wrong. *As long as the lid is airtight, it
matters not at all how big the container is. *Given that you're reducing
the pressure in the container the only difference from a larger
container is that it will take a fraction of a second longer to get
suction at the end of the hose when you turn on the vac (since you need
to suck the air out of the container first).

I guess it's the same with duct work and a central shop
vac. *If the duct work run is too long, suction suffers.

Long duct runs result in an increase in static pressure in the ductwork.
*For a given amount of suction from the blower, this results in less
airflow. *This is totally separate from the size of the cyclone container.

Chris

I stand corrected. Thank you.

On 1/15/2010 3:33 PM, Leon wrote:
wrote in message
...

That would probably depend on the filter in the vacuum. Typically the
cyclone type separators simply separate the large debris from the fine
dust.
The fine dust is usually captured by a different filter.

Not accurate. I had some very fine saw dust in the bucket in my
review. Almost no sawdust ended up in the shop vac or attached to
the filter.

Fine dust normally does not take up much space, it compacts well. Would'nt
that be what you actually did find in your shop vac?

That would seem to be a reasonable guess, but I've been using a pair of
cyclone separators in series for almost eight years now - see

http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/dustcoll.gif

for a photo - to collect dust from the CNC router with results that you
might find surprising: the first barrel traps all of the coarse stuff,
and the second barrel traps the /really/ fine stuff.

The surprising part is that the DC has _never_ been emptied and that
there is more dust on the outside of the bags than inside...

....and the main reason for the dust on the outside of the bag is that I
sometimes forget (but only for a very short while) to turn on the DC. )

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:53:41 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:

Pretty cool... I have often wondered about these type portable units.

You mention that you used a 5 gal bucket and you could use have used a 10
gal bucket. I wonder if the size of the container really matters as long
as it is at least 5 gal and is air tight.
The reason I ask is that you mentioned the tendency for the unit to tip. If
you attached a larger container to the unit it may not be so easily tipped.
Additionally you might consider using a longer hose to get to where you need
to go so that you could fasten the bucket down.
I use a 20' flexible hose with my DC and that works very well, not having to
move the DC, except to empty it.

I have a different one, the one from clearvuecyclones, but it's on a
30 gal steel drum. It's then hooked up to a network of 2-1/2" clear
pvc piping with blast gates. What's really fun is if I forgot to open
a gate the flex hosing between the cyclone and the piping shrinks and
it will lift one end of the drum up in the air.

They really are very effective. It's hooked up to my TS, SCMS, router
table, spindle sander, and now my CNC, as well as a hose for my hand
held sanders and general shop cleanup. There is never anything in the
base of the vacuum unless I let the drum overflow. Which I really try
to avoid as that drum is mighty heavy when it's full, but happens
anyway at least twice a year. You could do a 55 gal drum if you
wanted, but I wouldn't want to be the one to have to empty it.

I clean the HEPA filter in the Fein every 3 months or so. Without the
cyclone it would be at least every week.

A couple caveats. If you suck up a long piece of scrap it gets wedged
at the inlet of the cyclone and this gives a starting point to create
a blockage. Light fluffy stuff like hand plane shavings or from a
large forstner bit tend to just circle around inside the cyclone
without falling down until you shut off the vac.

Burnt out the motor in the Fein after 3 years just recently. Bought
another one. Now they've got variable power like the Festools. Now I
don't have to partially open another blast gate when I use the ROS and
it's REALLY quiet when you turn it down to level 2.

-Kevin

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
On 1/15/2010 3:33 PM, Leon wrote:
Snip



Fine dust normally does not take up much space, it compacts well.
Would'nt
that be what you actually did find in your shop vac?

That would seem to be a reasonable guess, but I've been using a pair of
cyclone separators in series for almost eight years now - see

I can certainly see how that probably works better... with 2 containers
before the DC. I was referring more to how Brian pictures his set up. His
shows 1 single main collection bucket and a shop vac. I would assume that
what you find in your second bucket would be what Brian might find in his
shop vac.

The syatem pictured here, http://www.oneida-air.com/gorilla_landing.php
shows a main waste collection bucket and at the bottom of the pleted filter
a smaller container to collect the fine dust that does not get caught by the
cyclone.


Your set up would appear to be more closely described as a 3 stage vs. 2
stage collection system.




http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/dustcoll.gif

for a photo - to collect dust from the CNC router with results that you
might find surprising: the first barrel traps all of the coarse stuff, and
the second barrel traps the /really/ fine stuff.

Actually, pretty much what I would have expected.


The surprising part is that the DC has _never_ been emptied and that there
is more dust on the outside of the bags than inside...

No doubt.

...and the main reason for the dust on the outside of the bag is that I
sometimes forget (but only for a very short while) to turn on the DC. )

Yeah, LOL.... I noticed yesterday as I was cutting with my BS that there
was dust flying out every where. Took me 3 seperate cuts brfore I decided
to see what was going on. I came to the quick conclusion that the 20' hose
running back to the DC probably should actually have been hooked up to the
BS rather than simply laying on the floor 5 feet away. The DC was sucking
its heart out and I was getting no pleasure, so to speak.

"Kevin" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:53:41 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:

Snip


I have a different one, the one from clearvuecyclones, but it's on a
30 gal steel drum. It's then hooked up to a network of 2-1/2" clear
pvc piping with blast gates. What's really fun is if I forgot to open
a gate the flex hosing between the cyclone and the piping shrinks and
it will lift one end of the drum up in the air.

LOL... I have a 20' x 4" hose hose attached to my DC and if I don't need
20' I run the hose up to a hook near the ceiling. Often the hose will hang
about 4 inches above the floor and if I have the DC running the hose will
gently swing around occasionally making contact with the floor. Reminds me
of an elephant's trunk sniffing around for peanuts.


Snip


I clean the HEPA filter in the Fein every 3 months or so. Without the
cyclone it would be at least every week.

I have a Festool with dual HEPA filters and I have always used it with a
bag. I do not use a cyclone or other container to catch the debris. The
vac gets it all. I use the vac with my sanders and Domino 95% of the time
and have been using it for almost 3 years. I have yet to clean or even see
any dust on the HEPA filters. Are you using a bag with your Fein or have
you considered doing that along with the cyclone to preserve the HEPA
filters? Also in my case the bags don't seem to cut down on the flow until
they are absolutely "packed" full of debris. Oddly enough I have sanded 3
kitchens plus all of my new bedroom furniture plus numerous other projects
and cut in excess of 2000 mortises with my Domino and I am still only
working on my second 22 liter bag. I checked the bag yesterday and it is
about 25% filled.

On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:44:44 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:


"Kevin" wrote in message

I clean the HEPA filter in the Fein every 3 months or so. Without the
cyclone it would be at least every week.

I have a Festool with dual HEPA filters and I have always used it with a
bag. I do not use a cyclone or other container to catch the debris. The
vac gets it all. I use the vac with my sanders and Domino 95% of the time
and have been using it for almost 3 years. I have yet to clean or even see
any dust on the HEPA filters. Are you using a bag with your Fein or have
you considered doing that along with the cyclone to preserve the HEPA
filters? Also in my case the bags don't seem to cut down on the flow until
they are absolutely "packed" full of debris. Oddly enough I have sanded 3
kitchens plus all of my new bedroom furniture plus numerous other projects
and cut in excess of 2000 mortises with my Domino and I am still only
working on my second 22 liter bag. I checked the bag yesterday and it is
about 25% filled.

I don't use the Fein filters, I use one from Gore which is quite
affordable and well made. That was one of my reasons for going with
the Fein, a source for inexpensive filters. I'm not sure if the Fein
bags would work with it but I guess they are cheap enough it would be
worth trying. The saws and router table are where most of the debris
is coming from but most of that doesn't make it to the filter.


-Kevin

GarageWoodworks wrote in
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legro
ups.com:

I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and
was very pleased with the results. For those of you (like
me) with a small shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw
dust clean-up and extraction this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! Just a very happy
end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com


I'm a little late to this, but I wanted to share some
modifications to the Dust Deputy bucket setup.

Pictures are posted over on alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

1. Rather than glue the cyclonic separator to the lid with
silicone sealer, per instructions, I made a foam gasket.
Easier to move to a new container in the future, if I need
to.

2. The rigid latching edges on the lid's rim make it very
hard to get the lid off to empty the bucket. I cut away the
latches on the outer lip. Since the latches also hold the o-
ring in place, I used spots of silicone sealer under it to
hold it in place.

3. With the lid latches removed the lid can just pop
off...and that's a good thing. I made three small clips out
of strips of aluminum. They hook over the lid's rim and catch
under one of the buckets annular ribs.

4. I wanted to make disposing of the saw dust easy, so I used
garbage bags to line the bucket. Since the vacuum would suck
the bag into the separator, I added a plywood weight, with
finger holes, to hold the bag down and open.

5. I can't believe how well that seperator setup works. I use
a ShopVac with the accourdian paper filter. It would plug
very quickly with fine saw dust. With the Dust Deputy I was
able to fill the bucket 2/3s full and had only a miniscule
amount of sawdusw in the ShopVac.

Ken

Ken Moffett wrote:
GarageWoodworks wrote in
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ups.com:

I recently reviewed the Dust Deputy DIY (Cyclone Only) and
was very pleased with the results. For those of you (like
me) with a small shop that relies on a shop-vac for saw
dust clean-up and extraction this thing is a must.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Dust_Deputy.php

NO AFFILIATION YADA YADA YADA!! Just a very happy
end-user.

Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com


I'm a little late to this, but I wanted to share some
modifications to the Dust Deputy bucket setup.

Pictures are posted over on alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

1. Rather than glue the cyclonic separator to the lid with
silicone sealer, per instructions, I made a foam gasket.
Easier to move to a new container in the future, if I need
to.

2. The rigid latching edges on the lid's rim make it very
hard to get the lid off to empty the bucket. I cut away the
latches on the outer lip. Since the latches also hold the o-
ring in place, I used spots of silicone sealer under it to
hold it in place.

3. With the lid latches removed the lid can just pop
off...and that's a good thing. I made three small clips out
of strips of aluminum. They hook over the lid's rim and catch
under one of the buckets annular ribs.

4. I wanted to make disposing of the saw dust easy, so I used
garbage bags to line the bucket. Since the vacuum would suck
the bag into the separator, I added a plywood weight, with
finger holes, to hold the bag down and open.

5. I can't believe how well that seperator setup works. I use
a ShopVac with the accourdian paper filter. It would plug
very quickly with fine saw dust. With the Dust Deputy I was
able to fill the bucket 2/3s full and had only a miniscule
amount of sawdusw in the ShopVac.

Be aware that this is a knock-off of the Clearvue Mini, and that Oneida is
abusing the patent office to prevent sale of that product.

Hey, Osama, Oneida Air Systems.

I bought a dust deputy a few years back and never got to use it becasue it was in two pieces ( flimsily made) so I just put it on the shelf for another day. Today I thought I'd finally try and fix it so I could use it. I contacted oneida who said there are two glues available but when I looked they say they do not stick to polyethelene. I understand this is a common problem with the older plastic dust deputy's which Oneida confirm it is and tell me they changed the design.

Am I glad I bought it - NO
Would I buy another - No Way
Would I recommend it - You would be a fool to buy one of these. Don't waste your money on this cheap flimsy bit of plastic.

What am I going to do now. maybe make a youtube video to warn others and then throw it in the junk.

On 4/23/2014 11:28 AM, wrote:
I bought a dust deputy a few years back and never got to use it becasue it was in two pieces ( flimsily made) so I just put it on the shelf for another day. Today I thought I'd finally try and fix it so I could use it. I contacted oneida who said there are two glues available but when I looked they say they do not stick to polyethelene. I understand this is a common problem with the older plastic dust deputy's which Oneida confirm it is and tell me they changed the design.

Am I glad I bought it - NO
Would I buy another - No Way
Would I recommend it - You would be a fool to buy one of these. Don't waste your money on this cheap flimsy bit of plastic.

What am I going to do now. maybe make a youtube video to warn others and then throw it in the junk.




Well you would be a fool... since most everyone else is happy.
I don't have one, nor am I going to buy one, but I would not hesitate to.

I would just assume you were some idiot who didn't know what they were
doing, and I would be right :-p

--
Jeff

On 4/23/14, 10:28 AM, wrote:
I bought a dust deputy a few years back and never got to use it
becasue it was in two pieces ( flimsily made) so I just put it on the
shelf for another day. Today I thought I'd finally try and fix it so
I could use it. I contacted oneida who said there are two glues
available but when I looked they say they do not stick to
polyethelene. I understand this is a common problem with the older
plastic dust deputy's which Oneida confirm it is and tell me they
changed the design.

Am I glad I bought it - NO Would I buy another - No Way Would I
recommend it - You would be a fool to buy one of these. Don't waste
your money on this cheap flimsy bit of plastic.

What am I going to do now. maybe make a youtube video to warn others
and then throw it in the junk.



Are you saying it was damaged/broken on arrival?
Don't you think they would've accepted a return and replaced it
immediately had you notified them sooner than "a few years?"

You're ripping on a company because of your foolishness and ripping on a
product you never used. I look forward to your youtube video about
this. Be sure to do two things.
1. Mention you didn't act on the situation until "a few years."
2. Turn off the youtube comments option unless you're want to read two
hundred comments from people telling you what an idiot you are. :-)

I won't go as far as calling you an idiot, but they certainly won't hold
back.
I think you're just frustrated and needed to vent and I get that. We've
all done similar foolish things and that doesn't make us foolish... just
temporarily for a time. :-)

You paid the stupid tax, now move on.... but don't post that video
unless you're a glutton for punishment.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com

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wrote in message
...
I bought a dust deputy a few years back and never got to use it becasue it
was in two pieces ( flimsily made) so I just put it on the shelf for
another day. Today I thought I'd finally try and fix it so I could use it.
I contacted oneida who said there are two glues available but when I
looked they say they do not stick to polyethelene. I understand this is a
common problem with the older plastic dust deputy's which Oneida confirm
it is and tell me they changed the design.

Am I glad I bought it - NO
Would I buy another - No Way
Would I recommend it - You would be a fool to buy one of these. Don't
waste your money on this cheap flimsy bit of plastic.

What am I going to do now. maybe make a youtube video to warn others and
then throw it in the junk.

Like this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs3uYLWpDYU
Actually their products are ok, but their service sucks.

On 4/23/2014 10:28 AM, wrote:
I bought a dust deputy a few years back and never got to use it becasue it was in two pieces ( flimsily made) so I just put it on the shelf for another day. Today I thought I'd finally try and fix it so I could use it. I contacted oneida who said there are two glues available but when I looked they say they do not stick to polyethelene. I understand this is a common problem with the older plastic dust deputy's which Oneida confirm it is and tell me they changed the design.

Am I glad I bought it - NO
Would I buy another - No Way
Would I recommend it - You would be a fool to buy one of these. Don't waste your money on this cheap flimsy bit of plastic.

What am I going to do now. maybe make a youtube video to warn others and then throw it in the junk.




I have one I purchases about 5 years ago and it came in one piece.
All I had to do was bolt it to my chosen buck with lid.
I could have purchased said buckets and hardware but why would I spend
$70 more for 2 buckets with lids one with hole and some other useless
hardware. I purchased 2 buckets at Lowes with lids for less than $10.
It hasn't given me any grief other than my own stupidity of buying the
wrong type lid so the first lid failed.
I will eventually cut out an MDF lid, but for now it works good.


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All the Best
Dale Miller
Cookeville, Tennessee
ASP since February 2005

Registered Linux User: #317401
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Registered Ubuntu User #26423




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On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:28:25 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I bought a dust deputy a few years back and never got to use it becasue it was in two pieces ( flimsily made) so I just put it on the shelf for another day. Today I thought I'd finally try and fix it so I could use it. I contacted oneida who said there are two glues available but when I looked they say they do not stick to polyethelene. I understand this is a common problem with the older plastic dust deputy's which Oneida confirm it is and tell me they changed the design.

Am I glad I bought it - NO
Would I buy another - No Way
Would I recommend it - You would be a fool to buy one of these. Don't waste your money on this cheap flimsy bit of plastic.

What am I going to do now. maybe make a youtube video to warn others and then throw it in the junk.

I've got one. Works quite well and the metal hasn't cracked yet. ;-)

wrote in
:

I bought a dust deputy a few years back and never got to
use it becasue it was in two pieces ( flimsily made) so I
just put it on the shelf for another day. Today I thought
I'd finally try and fix it so I could use it. I contacted
oneida who said there are two glues available but when I
looked they say they do not stick to polyethelene. I
understand this is a common problem with the older plastic
dust deputy's which Oneida confirm it is and tell me they
changed the design.

Am I glad I bought it - NO
Would I buy another - No Way
Would I recommend it - You would be a fool to buy one of
these. Don't waste your money on this cheap flimsy bit of
plastic.

What am I going to do now. maybe make a youtube video to
warn others and then throw it in the junk.





Three in the shops at work and one at home. Not a central vac
system, but think they're great. The one at home is on a 15
gallon fiber drum.

This subject is one I'm very familiar with. I spent the past 5 years working on a research project in Chemical Engineering. Cyclonic Separators (also known as hydrocyclones) are a staple in this field. It's not Rocket Science, that's my other hobby... But seriously, if you understand a little algebra, you can find plug-and-chug formulas on the internet. If you understand calculus, there are some in-depth descriptions of the theory on-line, as well as some excellent text books*. All of the "operational" separators were made from 316 stainless due to the heat and possible reactivity, but we made several out of cardboard (and foamboard) and duct tape to add onto shopvacs to help clean up various spills.

*search for design and construction of cyclonic separators - the textbook we used is "Gas Cyclones and Swirl Tubes: Principles, Design, and Operation" by Hoffman and Stein - you might find a copy at your local library, or they might be able to get you a copy.