Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744

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On Oct 4, 12:35*pm, Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744

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Just buy the bit. The rest you already own or could fab pretty quickly.

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 4, 12:35 pm, Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744

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Just buy the bit. The rest you already own or could fab pretty quickly.

That crossed a couple of minds already. Trying to determine if it could
be adapted to the M-R.

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On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:35:23 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744


I don't see how that is better than what I've been doing. I bead up
the stock and then remove what needs to be by using a combination of
the chopsaw with the depth set, and the bandsaw to do what the chopsaw
can't.

They'll have to do some more convincing to crowbar any money out of my
wallet.


Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

On Oct 4, 11:13*am, Tom Watson wrote:

I don't see how that is better than what I've been doing. *I bead up
the stock and then remove what needs to be by using a combination of
the chopsaw with the depth set, and the bandsaw to do what the chopsaw
can't.

Yeah, I'm not getting that one. The gloss over the fact that you must
be 100% (as in absolutely no margin of error) accurate on your depth
cuts in the stiles, and perfect in the length of the ears that are cut
off on the rails. Anyone that has tried to match cuts with an Incra
system or any of the other snap on stop systems can testify how hard
that can be. Again, I am looking at that depth adjustment. How many
test cuts would you have to make?

At least if you are building faces the old fashioned way (not as show
in the video with saw blade burned wood, oozing glue, and poor bead
mold placement) you can make up just a bit of inconsistency when you
add your bead mold. With this system, you have no margin for error.

They'll have to do some more convincing to crowbar any money out of my
wallet.

Ditto. I didn't know that there was such a great need for beaded
faces that a new product was needed. To me, this is a solution
looking for a problem.

Robert

Tom Watson wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:35:23 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744


I don't see how that is better than what I've been doing. I bead up
the stock and then remove what needs to be by using a combination of
the chopsaw with the depth set, and the bandsaw to do what the chopsaw
can't.

They'll have to do some more convincing to crowbar any money out of my
wallet.

I like the concept, though. Anything that can cut back on "time and
waste" is worth at least a look from me, as I seem to have done a lot of
both on beaded FF's.

Would like to get a hold of a bit and try to jig up from there,
especially if I can get equipment that currently takes up space in shop
involved, like the Multi-Router.

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wrote:
On Oct 4, 11:13 am, Tom Watson wrote:

I don't see how that is better than what I've been doing. I bead up
the stock and then remove what needs to be by using a combination of
the chopsaw with the depth set, and the bandsaw to do what the chopsaw
can't.

Yeah, I'm not getting that one. The gloss over the fact that you must
be 100% (as in absolutely no margin of error) accurate on your depth
cuts in the stiles, and perfect in the length of the ears that are cut
off on the rails. Anyone that has tried to match cuts with an Incra
system or any of the other snap on stop systems can testify how hard
that can be. Again, I am looking at that depth adjustment. How many
test cuts would you have to make?

Looks to me that the shoulder might make that easier than you think?
Then again, maybe not.

Ditto. I didn't know that there was such a great need for beaded
faces that a new product was needed. To me, this is a solution
looking for a problem.

How long the fad will last is anyone's guess, but do know for a fact
that they are a much asked about item in kitchens theses days.

Apparently the "kitchen and bath" magazine industry was looking for an
old "new" idea to sell magazines.

Hey, I'm not trying to sell the damn things, but I wouldn't mind
using/adapting the concept to cut back on the waste and time it takes to
do beaded FF on a ****load of cabinets.

I lusted after one of the dedicated machines a few years ago ... they
started at $8k back then ...

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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:27:15 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:


I didn't know that there was such a great need for beaded
faces that a new product was needed. To me, this is a solution
looking for a problem.

Robert


It's been a big detail around here for a long time and I've probably
run off several miles of beaded stock for baseboards, casing and face
frames.

The face frames are a little fussy and I've used both applied bead/
quirk, and that worked in the solid. I prefer the solid and feel like
I can turn out good quality joints quickly, using basic shop tools.

I used to love buying new tools. Nowadays I hate anything that goes
on the debit side of the ledger.



Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

On Oct 4, 1:30*pm, Swingman wrote:
Tom Watson wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:35:23 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744

I don't see how that is better than what I've been doing. *I bead up
the stock and then remove what needs to be by using a combination of
the chopsaw with the depth set, and the bandsaw to do what the chopsaw
can't.

They'll have to do some more convincing to crowbar any money out of my
wallet.

I like the concept, though. Anything that can cut back on "time and
waste" is worth at least a look from me, as I seem to have done a lot of
both on beaded FF's.

Would like to get a hold of a bit and try to jig up from there,
especially if I can get equipment that currently takes up space in shop
involved, like the Multi-Router.

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Then there are these guys who also seem to think that beaded face-
frames are de rigueur.
They have a whack of gizmos to deal with that 'problem'.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...oy/Hoffman.jpg

I tend to agree with Robert "The Nail" Shooter that it could be a
solution looking for a problem.
Or, as Angela likes to say: "The answer to the question nobody asked."

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From:
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Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:27 PM
Subject: Beaded Face Frame - Kreg


On Oct 4, 11:13 am, Tom Watson wrote:

I don't see how that is better than what I've been doing. I bead up
the stock and then remove what needs to be by using a combination of
the chopsaw with the depth set, and the bandsaw to do what the chopsaw
can't.

Yeah, I'm not getting that one. The gloss over the fact that you must
be 100% (as in absolutely no margin of error) accurate on your depth
cuts in the stiles, and perfect in the length of the ears that are cut
off on the rails. Anyone that has tried to match cuts with an Incra
system or any of the other snap on stop systems can testify how hard
that can be. Again, I am looking at that depth adjustment. How many
test cuts would you have to make?

I can see how the acuracy of the cutting depth will be very important and
thinking back, how often do your rails "PRECICELY" measure out in width. I
can say from lot's of experience that my rails can may differ in width by
1/128" from one to the next. this would pose a problem with the Kreg system
I suspect. I think your stock would literally have to be perfectly sized
and perfectly straight. AND I would use my Domino over the pocket hole
screws if I used this system, I think. ;~)



At least if you are building faces the old fashioned way (not as show
in the video with saw blade burned wood, oozing glue, and poor bead
mold placement) you can make up just a bit of inconsistency when you
add your bead mold. With this system, you have no margin for error.

The goober infomercial demo of the old fashoned way was a hoot. I suspect
that if you have precision problems the old way, it is not going to be any
better with the Kreg. Assuming the Kreg is easy to use I felt that it would
create a stronger joint and replace the need for jigs as spacers. I also
thought you could simply use straight edges with no profile or roundovers,
coves, etc. providing the bit cut all the way through the profile on the
stile.
..

Perhaps an in person demo showing "how easy" it is to set up would be the
acid test. I would not want to see the demo with every thing already set
up.

Tom Watson wrote:

The face frames are a little fussy and I've used both applied bead/
quirk, and that worked in the solid. I prefer the solid and feel like
I can turn out good quality joints quickly, using basic shop tools.

Better man than me, Charlie Brown. I simply haven't done enough of them
to make an apprentice to the pimple on a cabinetmaker's ass.

I used to love buying new tools. Nowadays I hate anything that goes
on the debit side of the ledger.

Just replaced my lost-on-the-job saddle square and, at only $28 for two
from LV, even that minor shop expenditure took some consideration.

I spend a lot on supplies, but tool expenditures are way down for me.

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"Swingman" wrote

Just replaced my lost-on-the-job saddle square and, at only $28 for two
from LV, even that minor shop expenditure took some consideration.

That brings up a recent painful, kinda funny thing for me. The love of my
life, who is totally tool clueless, put my combination square underneath a
small leak in the back of my garage. I went to get it the other day, had to
hunt for it, and found it covered with a thick layer of recent rust.

Sooo....., I had to buy a new combination square. I didn't have time to
rehab the old one. I got a stainless steel one this time. Also picked up a
new T bevel because the one I had was not long enough for a new project.

Those are my recent tool purchaces. Not that much, but unexpected. The
good thing is that both tools are much higher quality than what I had
before. And I am going to hide them from my wife!

Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744

WTF is a bearded face frame?

Lee Michaels wrote:

That brings up a recent painful, kinda funny thing for me. The love of my
life, who is totally tool clueless, put my combination square underneath a
small leak in the back of my garage.

Now, that's downright mean as hell ... what did _you_ do to deserve that?

.... unless she was trying to stop the leak, with a combination square?

Then again ...

just kidding

Those are my recent tool purchaces. Not that much, but unexpected. The
good thing is that both tools are much higher quality than what I had
before. And I am going to hide them from my wife!

Quid pro quo ... what marriages are made of.

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On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:17:28 -0700, jo4hn
wrote:


WTF is a bearded face frame?


You best leave that Maui Wowee **** alone, boy.

It done made you null and void.


watson - who did inhale and still remembers...sorta





Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Robatoy wrote:


Then there are these guys who also seem to think that beaded face-
frames are de rigueur.
They have a whack of gizmos to deal with that 'problem'.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...oy/Hoffman.jpg

Bet these guys are tickled to see Kreg on the scene, eh?

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On Oct 4, 3:17*pm, jo4hn wrote:
Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744

WTF is a bearded face frame?

A face frame hewn with a bearded axe, of course:

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/P...uks/125840.jpg

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 4, 3:17 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.
Any one here going to bite?
http://vimeo.com/5577744
WTF is a bearded face frame?

A face frame hewn with a bearded axe, of course:

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/P...uks/125840.jpg

Ah yes ... Watson's Bearded Face Frame Jig.

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On Oct 4, 3:25*pm, Swingman wrote:
Robatoy wrote:

Then there are these guys who also seem to think that beaded face-
frames are de rigueur.
They have a whack of gizmos to deal with that 'problem'.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...oy/Hoffman.jpg

Bet these guys are tickled to see Kreg on the scene, eh?


Especially considering the Hoffman nutso-cuckoo prices...

On Oct 4, 3:17*pm, jo4hn wrote:
Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.

Any one here going to bite?

http://vimeo.com/5577744

WTF is a bearded face frame?

I thought Billy Mays' beard framed his face quite nicely.....

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 4, 3:17 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.
Any one here going to bite?
http://vimeo.com/5577744
WTF is a bearded face frame?

I thought Billy Mays' beard framed his face quite nicely.....

You mean that oxy-clean-moron, or is that Jack?
;-)
--
Froz...

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:31:25 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 4, 3:17 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.
Any one here going to bite?
http://vimeo.com/5577744
WTF is a bearded face frame?

A face frame hewn with a bearded axe, of course:

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/P...uks/125840.jpg

Ah yes ... Watson's Bearded Face Frame Jig.



My most useful and sharpest tool is actually Occam's Razor.




Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Tom Watson wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:31:25 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 4, 3:17 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.
Any one here going to bite?
http://vimeo.com/5577744
WTF is a bearded face frame?
A face frame hewn with a bearded axe, of course:

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/P...uks/125840.jpg
Ah yes ... Watson's Bearded Face Frame Jig.



My most useful and sharpest tool is actually Occam's Razor.

Simply said ...

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"Tom Watson" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:31:25 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 4, 3:17 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.
Any one here going to bite?
http://vimeo.com/5577744
WTF is a bearded face frame?

A face frame hewn with a bearded axe, of course:

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/P...uks/125840.jpg

Ah yes ... Watson's Bearded Face Frame Jig.



My most useful and sharpest tool is actually Occam's Razor.


Sound like a really super tool, but

Where does one find Gordian Knots?? :-)

P D Q



Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:41:04 -0400, "PDQ" wrote:


Sound like a really super tool, but

Where does one find Gordian Knots?? :-)

P D Q



everywhere






Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

"PDQ" wrote in message
...

"Tom Watson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:31:25 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 4, 3:17 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Swingman wrote:
Leon and I were just discussing this on the back channel.
Any one here going to bite?
http://vimeo.com/5577744
WTF is a bearded face frame?

A face frame hewn with a bearded axe, of course:

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/P...uks/125840.jpg

Ah yes ... Watson's Bearded Face Frame Jig.



My most useful and sharpest tool is actually Occam's Razor.


Sound like a really super tool, but

Where does one find Gordian Knots?? :-)

My extension cords

On Oct 4, 12:39 pm, Swingman wrote:

Looks to me that the shoulder might make that easier than you think?
Then again, maybe not.

I have no idea. But for the last few nifty machines I have looked at,
it always seems that it will be easier to use than it is. I think I
am jaded. =


How long the fad will last is anyone's guess, but do know for a fact
that they are a much asked about item in kitchens theses days.

Apparently the "kitchen and bath" magazine industry was looking for an
old "new" idea to sell magazines.

Either that design hasn't made its way over here yet in full force, or
our designers didn't like it. I see the beading on bath cabs and
such, but not on full kitchens. Maybe the cost... dunno...

Hey, I'm not trying to sell the damn things, but I wouldn't mind
using/adapting the concept to cut back on the waste and time it takes to
do beaded FF on a ****load of cabinets.

Are you sure? Lots of conspiracy guys around here these days...
you'll never get away with it!! just kiddin'

Saving time on repetitive tasks is always a good thing. But as slow
as my business has been (last full kitchen - 8 months ago and nothing
in sight!!) I have no need for any new tools, nor the budget to buy
them.

Right now, you couldn't drive a toothpick in my ass with a
sledgehammer.

Robert

wrote:

I have no idea. But for the last few nifty machines I have looked at,
it always seems that it will be easier to use than it is. I think I
am jaded. =

Dovetail jigs come to mind, or repeated battles with same.

Either that design hasn't made its way over here yet in full force, or
our designers didn't like it. I see the beading on bath cabs and
such, but not on full kitchens. Maybe the cost... dunno...

True ... it is time consuming, therefore costly, and thus not often seen
in 'wham bam thank you mam' built-in jobs ... IME, something you want to
do in the shop.

Right now, you couldn't drive a toothpick in my ass with a
sledgehammer.

Sorry to hear that ... you're not that far from Austin, where I've been
having a difficult time finding subs at all, as those guys are busy as
hell and very proud of what they do. I wouldn't mind the latter except
that the quality of work in that area is decidedly inferior to what we
get in the Houston area, as much as I bitch about that.

That said, the next house is stuck in planning stages and may not come
unstuck for some time, so I could well be in the same boat after the
first of the year.

Maybe there will finally be more time to go fishing ...

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On Oct 5, 8:44 am, Swingman wrote:

Right now, you couldn't drive a toothpick in my ass with a
sledgehammer.

Sorry to hear that ... you're not that far from Austin, where I've been
having a difficult time finding subs at all, as those guys are busy as
hell and very proud of what they do. I wouldn't mind the latter except
that the quality of work in that area is decidedly inferior to what we
get in the Houston area, as much as I bitch about that.

We just had an interesting page of statistics in our local newspaper
about our real estate situation. Home building of homes over $400,000
and less than 1.5 million has only decreased about 10 - 15% in this
economic downturn.

Long hailed as a great value market, San Antonio became extremely
inflated in the price ranges of about $150K to $300K. That's my
normal bread and butter market. They don't want to start over again
with a new house, so they refurb. Their payments may be low enough
that they feel like a new bath or paint/tile/carpet/cabs would work
great with a home loan.

With the economy finally catching up to us, many of the contractors I
know that do the remodel/repair stuff I do are either gone or in dire
straights.

And now with the home builders being so desperate, it is hard for me
to sell an $5K - $8K bath when they can literally get in a brand new
house with all new everything and warranties to back it up for about
$2500 or less. They feel like they will be leaving all the old
problems behind if they go new.
We may know better, but if their old house needs a lot of maintenance,
who cares? They are looking at the $$ and bang for the buck.

My bigger, better clients (read: financially secure) are now
downsizing as well, so they are looking more at garden homes. Middle
aged +, they are more economically experienced and savvy, and they are
looking to cut long term costs where they can to prepare for their
futures. They have also adopted a "wait and see" attitude about the
economy, and those old peach and green color schemes just don't seem
nearly as annoying as they did 2 years ago.

My bailiwick is younger to middle aged urban professionals that don't
mind remodeling to get their house the way they like it. Similarly,
they protect their investment by keeping up with repairs and
maintenance. They were also good for the "I wanna" stuff like new
front door systems, Hardie plank installs, skylights, etc. that I
could get on and get off.

Many of my friends in this business are now broke, going broke, or are
living off their spouse's income. We have had four lumberyards close
their locations here in the last 18 months due to lack of business.

The big box guys tell me that they are experiencing anywhere from 20 -
30% fall off of sales in their stores from consumers, depending on the
store location.

It sucks around here. There is work, but I have to hustle all the
time to get it. This is really hard for me after almost 30 years in
business as you would think there would be a certain amount of
business "built in".

I have never advertised but once in all these years, but word of mouth
has kept me busy for all these years. I am used to having a 2 - 3
month backlog on most of my work, so a two week "iffy" schedule
situation is killing me. It reminds me of starting out in business.

My amigos think I am lucky as I am not in bad shape like they are.
But having done this in the late 70s, late 80s, part of the 90s, and
now as a self employed guy, I have gotten the hang of downsizing, and
remembering that ego and pride don't pay the bills. Doesn't mean I
have to like it...

I should have been an insurance salesman.

That said, the next house is stuck in planning stages and may not come
unstuck for some time, so I could well be in the same boat after the
first of the year.

Maybe there will finally be more time to go fishing ...

Actually Karl, that's a good point. I used to eat my heart out in
these times and make myself completely miserable. Never did my self
inflicted misery do me a bit of good.

This time around I have bought some new hiking and camping gear, and
will do more woodturning for Christmas this year. I am thinking of
taking some wood carving classes too, as the Texas Woodcarvers Guild
is having classes here about every six months. I would love to learn
how to chip carve. No Santas or farm animals for me; I like the
Celtic knots and european diamonds. I am wanting to learn how to make
a jewelry box or gun box/case and carve something unique on it.

Rather than just "getting through" the holidays as quickly as
possible, I am going to make a real effort to enjoy them this year
with the family and friends I still have left.

Sorry... just waxing a bit here on a rainy day...

Robert

Subject

Beaded Face Frame AKA: Dirt Catcher

I'll pass.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
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Subject

Beaded Face Frame AKA: Dirt Catcher

I'll pass.

Lew




Like a raised panel, or recessed panel, or door with details won't catch
dirt?
What about those exposed hinges?

"Leon" wrote:

Like a raised panel, or recessed panel, or door with details won't
catch dirt?
What about those exposed hinges?

Those too.

Lew

On Oct 5, 6:50*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Leon" wrote:
Like a raised panel, or recessed panel, or door with details won't
catch dirt?
What about those exposed hinges?

Those too.

Lew

That's what my wife thinks too, she wants flat doors.

Luigi

On Oct 6, 1:12*am, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:50*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:

"Leon" wrote:
Like a raised panel, or recessed panel, or door with details won't
catch dirt?
What about those exposed hinges?

Those too.

Lew

That's what my wife thinks too, she wants flat doors.

Luigi

We HAVE flat doors. Who has time to clean the 5-piece ones?

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:01:45 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

On Oct 6, 1:12*am, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:50*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:

"Leon" wrote:
Like a raised panel, or recessed panel, or door with details won't
catch dirt?
What about those exposed hinges?

Those too.

Lew

That's what my wife thinks too, she wants flat doors.

Luigi

We HAVE flat doors. Who has time to clean the 5-piece ones?



leaf blower





Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Oct 6, 1:12 am, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:50 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:

"Leon" wrote:
Like a raised panel, or recessed panel, or door with details won't
catch dirt?
What about those exposed hinges?

Those too.

Lew

That's what my wife thinks too, she wants flat doors.

Luigi

We HAVE flat doors. Who has time to clean the 5-piece ones?

Now I am starting to wonder about my 25 piece doors that I finished building
yesterday.

On Oct 6, 8:37*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On Oct 6, 1:12 am, Luigi Zanasi wrote:

On Oct 5, 6:50 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:

"Leon" wrote:
Like a raised panel, or recessed panel, or door with details won't
catch dirt?
What about those exposed hinges?

Those too.

Lew

That's what my wife thinks too, she wants flat doors.

Luigi

We HAVE flat doors. Who has time to clean the 5-piece ones?

Now I am starting to wonder about my 25 piece doors that I finished building
yesterday.

Sounds like a few mullions. Show us when you're done.

I do like, and have made, complex doors. But for a 'work area' like a
kitchen, Ang and I like practical.... because when we toss salads..we
TOSS salads.
Truth of the matter is, I put in slab doors until we made a decision
what to do for doors. Just melamine with edgebanded doors. We liked
them so much for day-to-day use, I re-made them with proper HPlam.
Those took a lot longer to make than those I could have ordered, pre-
finished, over the phone. *S*

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:37:56 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:

Now I am starting to wonder about my 25 piece doors that I finished building
yesterday.

Easier to redirect this message to you Leon. I was wondering about
your CT22 vacuum. Do you use it for other cleanups or just with your
Festools? I've thought seriously about making a Domino purchase and
I'd be a little closer to that step if I rationalized that I'd be
using the vacuum for other uses besides just as a Festool woodworking
addition.

Thanks

"Robatoy" wrote in message
news:f4347553-6293-4609-8aed-
Sounds like a few mullions. Show us when you're done.

I do like, and have made, complex doors. But for a 'work area' like a
kitchen, Ang and I like practical.... because when we toss salads..we
TOSS salads.
Truth of the matter is, I put in slab doors until we made a decision
what to do for doors. Just melamine with edgebanded doors. We liked
them so much for day-to-day use, I re-made them with proper HPlam.
Those took a lot longer to make than those I could have ordered, pre-
finished, over the phone. *S*



Done deal of what is done so far. Look at a.p.b.w. I have a customer that
prefers in his upper end homes to use MDF for the kitchen doors. He spray
paints them and is happy with them. He has done this in 3 of the homes that
he has moved into.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:37:56 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:

Now I am starting to wonder about my 25 piece doors that I finished
building
yesterday.

Easier to redirect this message to you Leon. I was wondering about
your CT22 vacuum. Do you use it for other cleanups or just with your
Festools? I've thought seriously about making a Domino purchase and
I'd be a little closer to that step if I rationalized that I'd be
using the vacuum for other uses besides just as a Festool woodworking
addition.

Thanks



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From:
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:29 AM
Subject: Festool Question: Was Beaded Face Frame - Kreg


On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:37:56 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:

Now I am starting to wonder about my 25 piece doors that I finished
building
yesterday.

Easier to redirect this message to you Leon. I was wondering about
your CT22 vacuum. Do you use it for other cleanups or just with your
Festools? I've thought seriously about making a Domino purchase and
I'd be a little closer to that step if I rationalized that I'd be
using the vacuum for other uses besides just as a Festool woodworking
addition.

Thanks

Until about 3 years ago my clean up only involved a broom, dust pan, and
trash can. I added a DC with a 20' flex hose that will reach and attach to
my TS, BS, planer, drum sander , OSS, disk sander, and my router table. It
will reach to most any point in my garage for the rest of what gets loose,
usually that which falls through the bottom cracks under the cabinet saw.
;~)

When the Domino was introduced and I just had to have one I considered not
using a shop vac along side, contrary to the Festool recommendations. I did
not want to listen to the screaming shop vac that currently I had and at all
costs avoided using for that very reason, so I bit the bullet and got the
CT22 also. That made purchasing the 2 Festool sanders an easier
consideration later on, no dust!

So for cleanup I really don't have much to clean up and mostly what does
escape the DC or the CT 22 gets swept into a small lump and sucked up with
the DC.

I mostly use the CT22 for the Domino, Rotex sander, and finish sander.
Because I build with loose tennons more often now rather than with pocket
hole screws the Kreg jig does not see as much action. BUT when I do use
the Kreg pocket hole jig I hook up the CT22 using a $4 adapter and the
pocket hole jig no longer makes a mess as it did in the past.

If my DC and its very accommodating 20' hose were not handy to use I would
probably use the CT22 much more. It does have good suction and what I
really appreciate about it is that when I have it and the Domino, Rotex
sander, finish sander or my DeWalt 3/8" corded drill attached to it I can
not hear it running. All of the power tools drown the CT22 out.

Keep in mind, IIRC if you buy the CT22 when you buy another Festool power
tool you get a price break. Once I experienced the effectiveness and quiet
of the CT22 I found myself trying to use it any time that I could. I cannot
stress enough how much cleaner my shop is using the Festool sanders along
side the CT22.

I would buy it all again with out hesitation knowing what I know now.