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Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself
as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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SUPPER!
"Swingman" wrote in message ... Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Swingman wrote:
Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg :-) They're very curious, when they're young like that. We get them every spring, and they sure are cute. Even when they get older, they're not aggressive, like people think. That defensive pose they strike, when cornered, looks pretty viscous with those crazy teeth and all and the hissing. They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Because they're almost blind when not in the dark, it's pretty easy to catch them by just putting a box or crate right next to them. They'll climb right inside, trying to escape the light. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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SUPPER! Hehe ... weathers not quite right yet for possum sauce piquant. Hit 98 in shop this afternoon. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: SUPPER! Hehe ... weathers not quite right yet for possum sauce piquant. Hit 98 in shop this afternoon. Yeah but "that" Hot Sauce would make'em taste OK. It was about 98 in my shop today too along with a touch of humidity just over 97%. ;~) |
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Wow - I don't believe I've seen one live on the hoof (so to speak),
I usually see them next to a greasy stain at the side of the road . . . They are sorta cute . . . Jim |
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:43:40 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote: In article , Swingman wrote: http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg Industrial spy. The way the toes are splayed on that front foot is pretty cool. When I was a kid I had a pet rat, so that little guy looks kinda cute to me. My wife had a pet rat. They make quite good pets and a lot better than some (hamsters and gerbils come to mind). We don't get possums here in Saskatchewan, they can't handle the winter. Wimps. We had possums in Vermont. The ones here in Alabama wear armor. Oh, wait. That's the woodchucks that are armored. Why did the chicken cross the road? To prove to the woodchuck that it could be done. |
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On 2009-09-27, Leon wrote:
Yeah but "that" Hot Sauce would make'em taste OK. It was about 98 in my shop today too...... It woulda been 98 in my shop, too. Mauser 98..... yum! nb |
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-MIKE- wrote:
They're very curious, when they're young like that. We get them every spring, and they sure are cute. Even when they get older, they're not aggressive, like people think. That defensive pose they strike, when cornered, looks pretty viscous with those crazy teeth and all and the hissing. They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Because they're almost blind when not in the dark, it's pretty easy to catch them by just putting a box or crate right next to them. They'll climb right inside, trying to escape the light. Many years ago, on a Sunday afternoon in the control room of a recording studio, I was attempting to lay down a bass track on a tune that just had to be finished that day. I was alone, there was no way to punch-in a 24 track in those days without re-winding and starting over, and only one track was left open so I couldn't comp it. I'd already had half a dozen shots at it from the top and was finally in the pocket and grooving on the last chorus when I caught a movement out the corner of my eye. WTF? This was in a big city, no way in hell a curly haired, white, baby possum is going to walk into a recording studio, in broad daylight, downtown, in a big city, right? Like hell! Little **** walked right up to my tapping right foot, set himself down, looked up, and comfortably made himself an audience. But, there was also NO way in hell I was going to stop playing, even for Godzilla, with only 30 seconds left to go on the best take of the day! Only slight rattled, I managed to keep the groove, and while holding the last note long enough for the long fade the tune was supposed have, that little **** looked up at me as if say "Well, that wasn't all that bad, might wanna keep that one!", yawned, turned around and walked out. (He did show up about a week later at the adjoining club next door and scared the **** out of the girls behind the bar ... but that's another story.) That's twice now .... deja vu all over again. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Leon wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: SUPPER! Hehe ... weathers not quite right yet for possum sauce piquant. Hit 98 in shop this afternoon. Yeah but "that" Hot Sauce would make'em taste OK. It was about 98 in my shop today too along with a touch of humidity just over 97%. ;~) 102 and 10% in the AZ desert. - Doug |
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You mean that was not dinner? 8)
Swingman wrote: Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg |
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message news Leon wrote: "Swingman" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: SUPPER! Hehe ... weathers not quite right yet for possum sauce piquant. Hit 98 in shop this afternoon. Yeah but "that" Hot Sauce would make'em taste OK. It was about 98 in my shop today too along with a touch of humidity just over 97%. ;~) 102 and 10% in the AZ desert. And I know from experience that with that kind of humidity and temp it feels like 70 to us from Houston. Last time my wife and I were in Moab the temp was around 107 at noon. Mixed with the low humidity we found it entertaining to visit the gift shops and the owners commenting how hot it was. It was a delightful day for us. |
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"Swingman" wrote Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg -- Don't take pictures. Put him to work! He should be able to do SOMETHING. And you won't have pay him much either. G |
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In article , Swingman wrote:
Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg Stew! |
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On Sep 27, 3:52*pm, Stuart wrote:
In article , * *-MIKE- wrote: They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. Not a rat, Stuart, but an American marsupial known as an opposum, supposedly a delicacy in the southern US. Luigi |
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Many years ago, on a Sunday afternoon in the control room of a recording studio, I was attempting to lay down a bass track on a tune that just had to be finished that day. I was alone, there was no way to punch-in a 24 track in those days without re-winding and starting over, and only one track was left open so I couldn't comp it. Fellow musoid... didn't know. Shame you didn't have a digital work station, you could've looped the section and let it record over and over, saving each take as you went. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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Lee Michaels wrote:
"Swingman" wrote Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg -- Don't take pictures. Put him to work! He should be able to do SOMETHING. And you won't have pay him much either. G They do work. They eat about everything organic laying around. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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Stuart wrote:
In article , -MIKE- wrote: They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. Glad to hear it. What's your point? -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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Like Mike, I'm a music person. I've never had 'em in my studio (in the
basement) but they've been in my shop which is a door away from the basement. Along with being a "muso", I'm a city dweller. Here in Baltimore, I value possum, foxes, racoons, etc. If they are hanging around, the rats haven't taken over. It's worth keeping in mind. Ed "Swingman" wrote in message ... -MIKE- wrote: They're very curious, when they're young like that. We get them every spring, and they sure are cute. Even when they get older, they're not aggressive, like people think. That defensive pose they strike, when cornered, looks pretty viscous with those crazy teeth and all and the hissing. They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Because they're almost blind when not in the dark, it's pretty easy to catch them by just putting a box or crate right next to them. They'll climb right inside, trying to escape the light. Many years ago, on a Sunday afternoon in the control room of a recording studio, I was attempting to lay down a bass track on a tune that just had to be finished that day. I was alone, there was no way to punch-in a 24 track in those days without re-winding and starting over, and only one track was left open so I couldn't comp it. I'd already had half a dozen shots at it from the top and was finally in the pocket and grooving on the last chorus when I caught a movement out the corner of my eye. WTF? This was in a big city, no way in hell a curly haired, white, baby possum is going to walk into a recording studio, in broad daylight, downtown, in a big city, right? Like hell! Little **** walked right up to my tapping right foot, set himself down, looked up, and comfortably made himself an audience. But, there was also NO way in hell I was going to stop playing, even for Godzilla, with only 30 seconds left to go on the best take of the day! Only slight rattled, I managed to keep the groove, and while holding the last note long enough for the long fade the tune was supposed have, that little **** looked up at me as if say "Well, that wasn't all that bad, might wanna keep that one!", yawned, turned around and walked out. (He did show up about a week later at the adjoining club next door and scared the **** out of the girls behind the bar ... but that's another story.) That's twice now .... deja vu all over again. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:10 -0600, Dave Balderstone
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-MIKE- wrote:
Swingman wrote: Many years ago, on a Sunday afternoon in the control room of a recording studio, I was attempting to lay down a bass track on a tune that just had to be finished that day. I was alone, there was no way to punch-in a 24 track in those days without re-winding and starting over, and only one track was left open so I couldn't comp it. Fellow musoid... didn't know. Shame you didn't have a digital work station, you could've looped the section and let it record over and over, saving each take as you went. My very first exposure to a digital recorder as an engineer in the late 70's was the Sony PCM-F10 ... that was cutting edge, high tech that only the big boys got to play with. Then I personally bought the F1/VCR combo and carried it around to various studios to mix to in the early 80's. We thought we were hot **** with digital anything back in those days ... and I still hate digital as much as I ever did. Give me a 2" 24 track, smpte'd to a 16 trk 2" for drums and bass, running 30ips, and I'll tickle your bottom with bass and kick like you haven't heard in 20 years! I still play, but realized I'd lost the "golden ears" about 10 years ago for studio work, although the last album I engineered/produced was about three years ago ... I got tired of turning the control room monitors to 11 to answer the question "What was that (noise)?" I really don't miss the pro studio life ... it was a crazy life, and a helluva lot of fun, but gets old the older you get. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Sep 27, 4:35*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Stuart wrote: In article , * *-MIKE- wrote: They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. Glad to hear it. *What's your point? What is the point of your gratuitous sarcasm? This is not a political thread. Had you bothered to look at Stuart's address, you would have seen it end with "uk". Maybe, as a consequence, you might have realized that he may not be entirely familiar with southern American fauna and mistook the possum for a rat. I think an apology is order. Luigi |
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:15:48 -0500, "Leon"
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Lee Michaels wrote:
"Swingman" wrote Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg -- Don't take pictures. Put him to work! He should be able to do SOMETHING. And you won't have pay him much either. G And you can claim a rebate for hiring a handicapped employee -- didn't you notice his left eye is bad, he is half blind, no stereoscopic vision. |
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On Sep 27, 4:35 pm, -MIKE- wrote: Stuart wrote: In article , -MIKE- wrote: They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. Glad to hear it. What's your point? What is the point of your gratuitous sarcasm? This is not a political thread. Had you bothered to look at Stuart's address, you would have seen it end with "uk". Maybe, as a consequence, you might have realized that he may not be entirely familiar with southern American fauna and mistook the possum for a rat. I think an apology is order. Luigi Get over it. He's a big boy, I think he can stick up for himself. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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"Dave Balderstone" wrote:
I think I saw some of those in Florida... Armordillos? SFWIW: Goodyear Tire has/had a test track a few miles outside San Angelo, TX, which I'm told is/was the sheep capital of the USA. There was a 5 mile high speed oval for testing automotive tires and an 8 mile oval for life testing of truck tires. They had left the brush in the infield of the 8 mile track which made great habitant for rattlesnakes and the occasional armadillo. Let me tell you driving at 55 MPH in the hot sun of San Angelo in July can be downright miserable as well as boring as the devil. The night shift was a little better, but not much. (Spending a little time at the test track made you appreciate why people wear cowboy boots in that part of the world.) The rattlesnakes would come out of the infield and crawl out onto the track to sun themselves which created an opportunity for the drivers to relieve the boredom. Driver would run over a snake, then stop and cut off the rattle, get back in the truck and keep going until rest break, when he would grab a hammer, some 16d nails and nail rattle(s) up on a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the rest station. During my visit, they had filled up 2-3 plywood sheets. Once and a while an armadillo would come running out on the track. The object was to hit the armadillo and not kill it, but simply to knock it out of it's shell. Makes life easier for the other predators as well as demonstrate the driver's skill. Amazing how resourceful the human animal can be. Lew |
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In article , -MIKE- wrote: They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. There are some ladies in here who think I was too harsh on you in my previous reply, Stuart. Apparently, you forget a smiley face and people get their panties in a wad. Sorry about that. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Sep 27, 10:20*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Stuart wrote: In article , * *-MIKE- wrote: They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. There are some ladies in here who think I was too harsh on you in my previous reply, Stuart. Apparently, you forget a smiley face and people get their panties in a wad. Sorry about that. /That/ was mature. |
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Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1045.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg Kinda risky on his part walkin' in on somebody from Louisiana, wasn't it? :-) -- There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage Rob Leatham |
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:58:43 -0500, "Leon" wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message m... Leon wrote: SUPPER! Hehe ... weathers not quite right yet for possum sauce piquant. Hit 98 in shop this afternoon. Yeah but "that" Hot Sauce would make'em taste OK. It was about 98 in my shop today too along with a touch of humidity just over 97%. ;~) Averaged about 85 in the shop today.. with the AC on most of the day.. about 106 outside.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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Stuart wrote:
In article , -MIKE- wrote: They also are not disease-ridden and dangerous to your pets, like many think. Their body temperatures are actually too low to host most mammal viruses like rabies. Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. Uh, no. It was the fleas on the rats that carried the Bubonic Plague germ. And there were a LOT of rats. The rats multiplied, in large measure, because the people killed off the cats. Cats were thought to be Satan's familiars. |
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On Sep 27, 5:04*pm, Swingman wrote:
Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) Should I ship you one of my shop blacksnakes? |
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On 2009-09-28, HeyBub wrote:
Stuart wrote: Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. Uh, no. It was the fleas on the rats that carried the Bubonic Plague germ. And there were a LOT of rats. Theories not fully accepted by all. Some experts dismiss the rat/flea theory because it doesn't fully support the incredibly rabid spread of the disease across Europe. nb |
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On Sep 27, 3:04*pm, Swingman wrote:
Dropped by right after breakfast, walked right up and introduced himself as I was ripping stock for an appliance garage. Hung around for lunch, begged part of my ham sandwich, then left with out so much as "by your leave". Didn't lift a hand, but watched everything closely and appeared to be taking notes. http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG...90927-1046.jpg Any chance he has an inside line on a secret stash of lumber??? |
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On Sep 28, 8:51*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Cats were thought to be Satan's familiars. They bloody well ARE, dagnabbit!!! |
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On 2009-09-28, HeyBub wrote: Stuart wrote: Rats carry and spread 35 diseases. In the middle ages, they wiped out 25% of the population of europe. Uh, no. It was the fleas on the rats that carried the Bubonic Plague germ. And there were a LOT of rats. Theories not fully accepted by all. Some experts dismiss the rat/flea theory because it doesn't fully support the incredibly rabid spread of the disease across Europe. "The persecution of cats in Europe is often overlooked as a contributing factor in the spread of plague. In years prior to the outbreak, cats had been vilified and slain in mass, due to their growing popular association with Satan and witches. Pope Gregory IX declared cats' association with the devil in the early 1200s. The mass slaughter of cats preceding the arrival of infected rats greatly reduced a potential predator of the rat, allowing rat populations to flourish unnaturally. " |
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On 2009-09-28, HeyBub wrote:
"The persecution of cats in Europe is often overlooked as a contributing factor in the spread of plague. In years prior to the outbreak, cats had been vilified and slain in mass, due to their growing popular association with Satan and witches. Pope Gregory IX declared cats' association with the devil in the early 1200s. The mass slaughter of cats preceding the arrival of infected rats greatly reduced a potential predator of the rat, allowing rat populations to flourish unnaturally. " "Many modern researchers have argued that the disease was more likely to have been viral (that is, not bubonic plague), pointing to the absence of rats from some parts of Europe that were badly affected and to the conviction of people at the time that the disease was spread by direct human contact. According to the accounts of the time, the black death was extremely virulent, unlike the nineteenth and early twentieth century bubonic plague." So, we have different views, as I stated. I make no claim of the validity of one over the other, only that more than one theory exists. nb |
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notbob wrote:
On 2009-09-28, HeyBub wrote: "The persecution of cats in Europe is often overlooked as a contributing factor in the spread of plague. In years prior to the outbreak, cats had been vilified and slain in mass, due to their growing popular association with Satan and witches. Pope Gregory IX declared cats' association with the devil in the early 1200s. The mass slaughter of cats preceding the arrival of infected rats greatly reduced a potential predator of the rat, allowing rat populations to flourish unnaturally. " "Many modern researchers have argued that the disease was more likely to have been viral (that is, not bubonic plague), pointing to the absence of rats from some parts of Europe that were badly affected and to the conviction of people at the time that the disease was spread by direct human contact. According to the accounts of the time, the black death was extremely virulent, unlike the nineteenth and early twentieth century bubonic plague." So, we have different views, as I stated. I make no claim of the validity of one over the other, only that more than one theory exists. Agreed. In my rendition, the rats carried infected fleas. In your possibility, I guess the humans carried the infected fleas. |
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On 2009-09-29, HeyBub wrote:
Agreed. In my rendition, the rats carried infected fleas. In your possibility, I guess the humans carried the infected fleas. Not too bright, are you. nb |
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On Sep 29, 5:55*pm, notbob wrote:
On 2009-09-29, HeyBub wrote: Agreed. In my rendition, the rats carried infected fleas. In your possibility, I guess the humans carried the infected fleas. Not too bright, are you. Bubba is just up to his usual tricks of spreading half-truths & misinformation about health issues. If one bothers to read up on the black death or the plague, one quickly finds out that the European Yersinia pestis epidemic probably originated from rat fleas that spread to humans. However, it is not only carried by fleas, but the infection also has pulmonary and blood infection versions. The rapid spread in Europe was not only the flea version, but also the pulmonary version where individuals could get infected from droplets emitted from infected people coughing and spitting. Luigi |
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