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Knee Jerk [OT]
On Sep 20, 4:16*pm, Ella Norton wrote:
On Sep 20, 3:27*pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote: Robatoy wrote: On Sep 20, 2:43 pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote: Morris Dovey wrote: Jack Stein wrote: My personal feeling is I can easily skip anything I'm not interested in. *There is plenty I'm not interested in, but have no issue with those who are interested enjoying themselves. *I enjoy hearing what my fellow woodworkers have to say on a variety of subjects, even on woodwork. Me, too. I've found it interesting that there seems to be a correlation between the kinds of woodworking people do and their mode of engagement in non-woodworking discussions. I've also found that exposure here to differing viewpoints has broadened my perspectives, and helped me recognize some of the complexities and difficulties in finding 'cut and dried' answers to (what I think are) important problems. I'm inclined to not filter posters, but do start ignoring sub-thread(s) when discussion becomes rancorous or non-constructive - for the same reasons I'd choose not to walk into a saloon where there's a barfight in progress. Based on what I've read this week, I am going to start filtering myself ... Brilliant idea and long overdue. I'm sorry I cannot see the post to which you're responding ... Self filtration, in excess, can lead to blindness. Tim will keep filtering till he needs glasses. |
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charlieb wrote:
The other thing to be aware of is which industries and which lobbyists are opposing the change, what ever the proposed change is, and examine their reason(s) for that opposition. I'm willing put money on the it's not for altruistic reasons. I read an article recently on some of the folks funding opposition to health care reform and was absolutely gobsmacked to discover how many of them are owners or CEOs etc. of health care companies making nice fat profits with things just as they are. No, really, guys getting multi-million-dollar bonus checks at insurance companies and so on are opposed to the system being changed--who knew? And if you've ever had a "problem" with your health insurance company, especially if it's a life threatening thing, be aware that it's in THEIR best interest for you to die - before they have to expend any money on you. At least with the government you CAN try and get your elected congress person and senator to look into your problem. With an insurance company - your screwed - AFTER you probably have spent months on the phone talking to someone in a Call Center - in Pakistan or the Philipines or Honduras - who may or may not speak english. What cracks me up is folks upset at the notion of some govt. bureaucrat telling them which sort of health care they'll be allowed to have as if the same damn thing doesn't happen today with insurance company bureaucrats. I had an MRI awhile back and the hospital wouldn't give me an appointment until they'd heard from the insurance company. Ditto with appointments with specialists and so on, it all requires approval from some guy in a cubicle a thousand miles away. I've also had a medication a doctor wanted to prescribe for me disallowed by the insurance company in favor of a less expensive generic--so I didn't get what the doctor thinks is the best drug, but the one the insurance company is willing to pay for. And that's nothing compared to what some folks have to go through, like having an insurance company cancel coverage in the middle of chemo-therapy for breast cancer on the flimsy excuse that the woman under-reported her weight on her original application with the insurance company. For a start that sort of crap should be flat-out illegal. |
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Jack Stein wrote:
You would be better to killfile the posters, not the posts. Yes, that is the only way to go. Most ARE woodworkers though, but here is a short list to get him started: JBStein Robotoy Upscale Lew Hodgett Larry Blanchard Andrew Barss Han J.Clark Tom Watson DGDevin Charlieb Morris Dovey Perry Aynum Scott Lurndal Buck Turgidson Douglas Johnson Chris Friesen Tom Veatch Tim Daneliuk Phisherman Mark & Juanita HeyBub Ed Pawlowski CW I may of missed a few that haven't posted in the last 2 weeks, and I may have skipped a couple that do post political on occasion but not enough to bother with, or just not in last 2 weeks. I didn't include those that only post off topic about non-political things like food, recipes and so on. Everyone listed has participated in an off topic politcal thread in the last 2 weeks. Anyone I excluded or included that doesn't like it... try harder. You seem to have missed one: Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ne wsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail From: Jack Stein Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Fired Up, Ready To Go Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:48:29 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX18URy5mWIWahnyCD5NZhTIfHMZLS4C+beXY2inXMf BRpeTWeNWREuQck+4yAM+kSZZMQjM8gmRjDrrDN1l/TqA04LNMCBGzdSJKUIRuaAlSDs09FURLR7iV0qE9jzz9EQU= X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:48:36 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19otYPfG44zu3bupGiTxxQz Cancel-Lock: sha1:VszJUmhY16DYWzDh0WMBb6HX9Ds= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) Bytes: 1940 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.woodworking:1415691 No argument with that, other than "many of their constituents recognize as rampaging socialism." "Rampaging socialism" is easy to recognize, no need to convince anyone with half a brain... it is what it is... |
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:12:34 -0500, Jack Stein wrote: Yes, that is the only way to go. Most ARE woodworkers though, but here is a short list to get him started: At least I sometimes add "OT" to a post :-). But I'm intrigued by your list of names. It's interesting that most of us on the list, whether right or left, are using our correct names. A refreshing change from a lot of newsgroups where posters hide behind fake handles and hurl insults and profanities. My conclusion is that we're not so bad after all. Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw There is also the pot-kettle-black nature of someone who himself participates in off-topic threads posting a list of off-topic posters with the recommendation they be kill-filed. Or is there an Irony Contest going I hadn't heard about? |
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Knee Jerk [OT]
Morris Dovey wrote:
I've also found that exposure here to differing viewpoints has broadened my perspectives, and helped me recognize some of the complexities and difficulties in finding 'cut and dried' answers to (what I think are) important problems. Yup, some people just like to screech, but some can back up their views with something other than raw noise. I'm inclined to not filter posters, but do start ignoring sub-thread(s) when discussion becomes rancorous or non-constructive - for the same reasons I'd choose not to walk into a saloon where there's a barfight in progress. What if it's happy hour and it's only a small fight? |
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"DGDevin" wrote:
What cracks me up is folks upset at the notion of some govt. bureaucrat telling them which sort of health care they'll be allowed to have as if the same damn thing doesn't happen today with insurance company bureaucrats. I had an MRI awhile back and the hospital wouldn't give me an appointment until they'd heard from the insurance company. Ditto with appointments with specialists and so on, it all requires approval from some guy in a cubicle a thousand miles away. I've also had a medication a doctor wanted to prescribe for me disallowed by the insurance company in favor of a less expensive generic--so I didn't get what the doctor thinks is the best drug, but the one the insurance company is willing to pay for. And that's nothing compared to what some folks have to go through, like having an insurance company cancel coverage in the middle of chemo-therapy for breast cancer on the flimsy excuse that the woman under-reported her weight on her original application with the insurance company. For a start that sort of crap should be flat-out illegal. A friend of mine has health insurance provided by the employer as part of the compensation package. Absolutely every doctor's appointment, lab test, etc, must have prior approval from the insurance company before it can even be scheduled. This almost always costs several days/weeks delay before service is received. Such is NOT the case with those on Medicare. Sounds like maybe the government getting involved in a major issue like health care might just be a good thing. Lew |
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DGDevin wrote:
What cracks me up is folks upset at the notion of some govt. bureaucrat telling them which sort of health care they'll be allowed to have as if the same damn thing doesn't happen today with insurance company bureaucrats. I had an MRI awhile back and the hospital wouldn't give me an appointment until they'd heard from the insurance company. Ditto with appointments with specialists and so on, it all requires approval from some guy in a cubicle a thousand miles away. [...] Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! What do you do if you don't like the way the GOVERNMENT health-care system treats you? I guess you could move to Canada... |
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On Sep 21, 7:14*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
DGDevin wrote: What cracks me up is folks upset at the notion of some govt. bureaucrat telling them which sort of health care they'll be allowed to have as if the same damn thing doesn't happen today with insurance company bureaucrats. *I had an MRI awhile back and the hospital wouldn't give me an appointment until they'd heard from the insurance company. *Ditto with appointments with specialists and so on, it all requires approval from some guy in a cubicle a thousand miles away. [...] Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! What do you do if you don't like the way the GOVERNMENT health-care system treats you? I guess you could move to Canada... You think that is easy? |
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HeyBub wrote:
DGDevin wrote: What cracks me up is folks upset at the notion of some govt. bureaucrat telling them which sort of health care they'll be allowed to have as if the same damn thing doesn't happen today with insurance company bureaucrats. I had an MRI awhile back and the hospital wouldn't give me an appointment until they'd heard from the insurance company. Ditto with appointments with specialists and so on, it all requires approval from some guy in a cubicle a thousand miles away. [...] Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! Horsecrap. My wife and I have employer-provided insurance, but if we left that coverage I'd be one of those "pre-existing condition" cases, in other words, **** out of luck. There was a documentary on PBS not long ago that mentioned the CEO of Kaiser Permanente is in the same boat--uninsurable outside company coverage. Got any facile advice on what people should do when in that situation, any easy slogans? What do you do if you don't like the way the GOVERNMENT health-care system treats you? I guess you could move to Canada... Where a major illness doesn't raise the specter of bankruptcy, yeah, wouldn't that be terrible. |
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"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message At least when I "Contribute" it is not enabled by first stealing what my neighbor has worked for. You're drawn in to these conversations because you are desparate to defend your marauding and theft ... but there is none... Glad you framed Contribute in apostrophes, because you don't contribute ****. Unless of course, you count the whining you do as an art form. And as to defending myself, there's 30 million other Canadians that defend our healthcare, or most of them anyway. You? For a defence, you've got people like Miller who is a confirmed liar and kiss ass. The two of you should run off together and form your own country where whining and brown nosing actually pay something. Then at least you might obtain that wealth you claim is being stolen from you every day. |
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Robatoy wrote:
Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! What do you do if you don't like the way the GOVERNMENT health-care system treats you? I guess you could move to Canada... You think that is easy? I dunno - I never tried it. But thousands of hippies managed it back during the Vietnam war and I just figured if a flea-bitten hippie could find north, most anybody else could too. I could be wrong. We never really heard about the hippies that wandered off in another direction. I guess they were hit by cars or fell into the ocean or died of the munchies. Like I say, I don't know. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message You think that is easy? I dunno - I never tried it. But thousands of hippies managed it back during the Vietnam war and I just figured if a flea-bitten hippie could find north, most anybody else could too. Sure, we're a friendly county and will take most people. ~ Even assholes like Daneliuk who have nothing good to say about the Canadian healthcare system, but I wonder where he'd head first if his own healthcare system screwed him? And to Doug Miller who said that there's nothing more important than freedom. He should try experiencing a serious disability and find out what it's like to have that freedom but not be able to do anything with it because he was confined to a body that mostly doesn't work anymore. Freedom is only good Doug if you can take advantage of it. |
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HeyBub wrote:
I could be wrong. We never really heard about the hippies that wandered off in another direction. I guess they were hit by cars or fell into the ocean or died of the munchies. Heh, "died of the munchies" - that's a good one. :-) -- Repeat after me: "I am we Todd it. I am sofa king we Todd it." To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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"HeyBub" wrote in
m: Robatoy wrote: Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! What do you do if you don't like the way the GOVERNMENT health-care system treats you? I guess you could move to Canada... You think that is easy? I dunno - I never tried it. But thousands of hippies managed it back during the Vietnam war and I just figured if a flea-bitten hippie could find north, most anybody else could too. I could be wrong. We never really heard about the hippies that wandered off in another direction. I guess they were hit by cars or fell into the ocean or died of the munchies. Like I say, I don't know. But, somehow, that doesn't keep you from posting. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Robatoy wrote: Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! What do you do if you don't like the way the GOVERNMENT health-care system treats you? I guess you could move to Canada... You think that is easy? I dunno - I never tried it. But thousands of hippies managed it back during the Vietnam war and I just figured if a flea-bitten hippie could find north, most anybody else could too. I could be wrong. We never really heard about the hippies that wandered off in another direction. I guess they were hit by cars or fell into the ocean or died of the munchies. Like I say, I don't know. Finding north is easy. Obtaining permanent residency is harder--the draft dodgers applied for political asylum but since there's no draft anymore that approach doesn't work. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message I could be wrong. We never really heard about the hippies that wandered off in another direction. I guess they were hit by cars or fell into the ocean or died of the munchies. I suspect that most of them are actively living out their lives as our current crop of politicians. |
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On Sep 22, 8:58*am, "Upscale" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message I could be wrong. We never really heard about the hippies that wandered off in another direction. I guess they were hit by cars or fell into the ocean or died of the munchies. I suspect that most of them are actively living out their lives as our current crop of politicians. One Americanadian (Ignatieff) is trying to become PM. I'm no Harper fan, but IggyPop is no alternative. |
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On Sep 22, 9:22*am, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Upscale wrote: "Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message At least when I "Contribute" it is not enabled by first stealing what my neighbor has worked for. *You're drawn in to these conversations because you are desparate to defend your marauding and theft ... but there is none... Glad you framed Contribute in apostrophes, because you don't contribute ****. Unless of course, you count the whining you do as an art form. And as I contribute a regular reminder that you and people like you are not noble, kind, honorable or decent. *You are purveyors of theft and fraud.. And it's important to keep that spotlight brightly lit so you can never delude yourself into thinking anything else. to defending myself, there's 30 million other Canadians that defend our healthcare, or most of them anyway. You? For a defence, you've got people Not the ones in my own family that actually work in the healthcare system. That sounds like they are unionized squabblers. |
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On Sep 22, 11:15*am, Jack Stein wrote:
You seem to see what you want to see! Jack THIS is why I keep coming back for more. The purest of hilarities. You are funny, Jack. WAY funnier than you know. And not very bright. |
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In article , "Upscale" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message You think that is easy? I dunno - I never tried it. But thousands of hippies managed it back during the Vietnam war and I just figured if a flea-bitten hippie could find north, most anybody else could too. Sure, we're a friendly county and will take most people. ~ Even assholes like Daneliuk who have nothing good to say about the Canadian healthcare system, but I wonder where he'd head first if his own healthcare system screwed him? And to Doug Miller who said that there's nothing more important than freedom. He should try experiencing a serious disability and find out what it's like to have that freedom but not be able to do anything with it because he was confined to a body that mostly doesn't work anymore. Freedom is only good Doug if you can take advantage of it. Whatthehell?? I haven't even participated in this thread. |
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On Sep 21, 6:28*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:14*pm, "HeyBub" wrote: DGDevin wrote: What cracks me up is folks upset at the notion of some govt. bureaucrat telling them which sort of health care they'll be allowed to have as if the same damn thing doesn't happen today with insurance company bureaucrats. *I had an MRI awhile back and the hospital wouldn't give me an appointment until they'd heard from the insurance company. *Ditto with appointments with specialists and so on, it all requires approval from some guy in a cubicle a thousand miles away. Find another employer. I've never had any issues anywhere close to that. In-plan or out-of-plan, certainly, but that's my choice. Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! What do you do if you don't like the way the GOVERNMENT health-care system treats you? I guess you could move to Canada... You think that is easy? Moving to Canuckistan? No. Changing insurance companies, yes even if it means changing employers. |
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DGDevin wrote:
Jack Stein wrote: You would be better to killfile the posters, not the posts. Yes, that is the only way to go. Most ARE woodworkers though, but here is a short list to get him started: JBStein Robotoy Upscale Lew Hodgett Larry Blanchard Andrew Barss Han J.Clark Tom Watson DGDevin Charlieb Morris Dovey Perry Aynum Scott Lurndal Buck Turgidson Douglas Johnson Chris Friesen Tom Veatch Tim Daneliuk Phisherman Mark & Juanita HeyBub Ed Pawlowski CW You seem to have missed one: Who might that be? You seem to see what you want to see! -- Jack Got Change: General Motors ===== Government Motors! http://jbstein.com Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ne wsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail From: Jack Stein Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Fired Up, Ready To Go Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:48:29 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX18URy5mWIWahnyCD5NZhTIfHMZLS4C+beXY2inXMf BRpeTWeNWREuQck+4yAM+kSZZMQjM8gmRjDrrDN1l/TqA04LNMCBGzdSJKUIRuaAlSDs09FURLR7iV0qE9jzz9EQU= X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:48:36 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19otYPfG44zu3bupGiTxxQz Cancel-Lock: sha1:VszJUmhY16DYWzDh0WMBb6HX9Ds= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) Bytes: 1940 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.woodworking:1415691 No argument with that, other than "many of their constituents recognize as rampaging socialism." "Rampaging socialism" is easy to recognize, no need to convince anyone with half a brain... it is what it is... |
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Doug Miller wrote:
Whatthehell?? I haven't even participated in this thread. Can't say that anymore, can you? ;-) -- Froz... |
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DGDevin wrote:
There is also the pot-kettle-black nature of someone who himself participates in off-topic threads posting a list of off-topic posters with the recommendation they be kill-filed. If you had any sort of reading comprehension, you would know someone else suggested filtering out off topic posters. I simply provided a short list of those recently participating in off topic posts. If you didn't have your head so far up your ass, you would have noted there was no "pot-kettle-black nature" to the post, and about the only irony would be you crying I "missed one" and then posting a bunch of gobbledygook with my name on it, when the FIRST name on my list was my own... Or is there an Irony Contest going I hadn't heard about? Yeah, seems its your contest, and you won! -- Jack Got Change: Van Guard ==== Van Jones! http://jbstein.com |
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Upscale wrote: And to Doug Miller who said that there's nothing more important than freedom. He should try experiencing a serious disability and find out what it's like to have that freedom but not be able to do anything with it because he was confined to a body that mostly doesn't work anymore. Freedom is only good Doug if you can take advantage of it. And your "disability" does not entitle you to rape everyone else's freedom. True, but a non sequitur. You continue to live in this ideological sewer that says you're entitled to whatever you need even if it harms other people. This is an ugly accusation made, so far as I can determine, without justification. This is the mindset of an emotionally undeveloped five year old, not of an adult. This appears to be a strawman argument, where you fabricate and project a mindset and then castigate it as if it were not your own. Your needs are legitimate - like 10s of millions of other people. But they are not a get-out-of-jail-free card to pillage your neighbors. A gentleman asks for help politely and is grateful when it is given. Perhaps, but a person who demands a public declaration of gratitude for a gentlemanly act is, in my opinion, unworthy of being considered a gentleman. A spoiled child demands what they want and curses their benefactor. Another non sequitur. I'd say your predominant disability isn't physical, it's moral. I'd say you owe Upscale an apology. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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On Sep 22, 11:21*am, FrozenNorth
wrote: Doug Miller wrote: Whatthehell?? I haven't even participated in this thread. Can't say that anymore, can you? ;-) -- Froz... Sortakinda like 'the oldest man in Canada dies'... can't really happen, can it? |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:14:49 -0500, HeyBub wrote:
Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! You've got to be kidding! Or trolling. Most people get their insurance through their employer. Unless that employer gets complaints from a lot of employees, he's not going to change. If an employee tries to get other insurance on his own, he'll soon find out he can't afford it. Try living in the real world. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:58:42 -0400, Upscale wrote:
Sure, we're a friendly county and will take most people. Your immigration quota for retirees who aren't rich is zero :-). And yes, I understand the reasons. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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Jack Stein wrote:
If you didn't have your head so far up your ass, you would have noted there was no "pot-kettle-black nature" to the post, and about the only irony would be you crying I "missed one" and then posting a bunch of gobbledygook with my name on it, when the FIRST name on my list was my own... Well sonofabitch, so it is. Heh, mea culpa, I actually looked for "Jack Stein" and "JBStein" didn't click. BTW, the "gobbledygook" was the headers from your post. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Like I say, I don't know. That much you got right. |
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
The same place Canadians do when their healthcare system fails them (as it regularly does) - one of the 10s of thousands of doctors in the US. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041...psa?rel=player |
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Haven't you heard. In the new lexicon of a good many folks here, you are *entitled* to whatever you need, not matter who else gets raided to provide it. What you are suggesting above, sir, would require personal integrity and responsibility and we simply cannot have that. So go back to work - too many people that don't are depending on you ... Do you ever address what people actually post, or only fabricate positions they didn't express and attack those instead? You must have a straw-man assembly line set up based on how often you indulge in this sophomoric stunt. How does requiring insurance companies to play fair qualify as a raid on your pocketbook? How does setting up a pool where individuals can buy insurance at group rates take money from your bank account? And so on, but nooooooooo, you have to leap to some bizarre depiction of citizens forced to line up outside a clinic in a state-run gulag with whip-wielding commissars flailing the moaning masses. Your vivid imagination and libertarian paranoia are at least amusing (in a pathetic sort of way)--but frankly it's the only value you bring to the conversation. |
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:14:49 -0500, HeyBub wrote: Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that direction - you're free to change insurance companies! You've got to be kidding! Or trolling. Most people get their insurance through their employer. Unless that employer gets complaints from a lot of employees, he's not going to change. If an employee tries to get other insurance on his own, he'll soon find out he can't afford it. Try living in the real world. Exactly, and anyone with the proverbial pre-existing condition is screwed if they look for private insurance, it's either impossible to find or so expensive as to be out of reach. Employers are feeling the pinch too, it's one more reason to move production overseas where they aren't faced with crippling health coverage bills. More and more citizens with less and less coverage, but some folks figure we don't need reform--astonishing, isn't it. |
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On Sep 22, 12:40*pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote: Haven't you heard. *In the new lexicon of a good many folks here, you are *entitled* to whatever you need, not matter who else gets raided to provide it. *What you are suggesting above, sir, would require personal integrity and responsibility and we simply cannot have that. *So go back to work - too many people that don't are depending on you ... Do you ever address what people actually post, or only fabricate positions they didn't express and attack those instead? *You must have a straw-man assembly line set up based on how often you indulge in this sophomoric stunt. Do you ever read what was posted before you reply? Tim did respond to my post, with agreement. How does requiring insurance companies to play fair qualify as a raid on your pocketbook? *How does setting up a pool where individuals can buy insurance at group rates take money from your bank account? *And so on, but nooooooooo, you have to leap to some bizarre depiction of citizens forced to line up outside a clinic in a state-run gulag with whip-wielding commissars flailing the moaning masses. *Your vivid imagination and libertarian paranoia are at least amusing (in a pathetic sort of way)--but frankly it's the only value you bring to the conversation. How does this have anything to do with the issues of the day? ..either here in RW or on the national political stage? Seems you're the one holding up the strawman. |
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On Sep 22, 11:54*am, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
[snipped more of Tim's demonic soul-less banter] Discussing ANYthing with you impossible as you have no ability to see anything through anyone else's eyes. Tim's view is the only view. Period. You are a very disturbed creature, Tim. You can bend, twist, and flap in any direction you want, tossing up straw-men by the truckload, but for you to accuse anybody of misdirection is the best laugh I had all day. Your arguments cannot follow a straight line. You have to keep taking detours to your stock-piles of hurtful vitriol in order to feel like you are making a case for yourself. Your venomous words are way more disgusting than a simple '**** you' would ever be. You get all offended by people using language THEIR way...yet you continue to skewer people with YOUR vile disgusting language. Do you honestly think you have advantage by not using curse words? Is that all you can hide behind?.."oh nooooo Rob cussed at meeeeeee...MOMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" Grow the **** up, asshole. And stop trying to baffle people with your bull****, straw-men and out-right lies. There... that is English...now go whine somewhere else, Now apologize to Upscale or I'll ride your ass like a new bride. :-) r |
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On Sep 22, 11:54*am, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Don't you think it's a tad condescending on your part to equate the disabled with children? * No, ..YOU just made that leap. You're attempt at amused condescension fails because in all that time, you've yet to make a case for your defense of theft. I do not defend theft as there is no theft..all there is your hollow bladder full of hot air. |
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On Sep 22, 4:43*pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Hopefully, you'll find more value in this post: At the very least I hope you learned how to better read with comprehension. Can't you EVER talk to people without insults and talking 'down' to people? |
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Robatoy wrote: On Sep 22, 4:43 pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote: Hopefully, you'll find more value in this post: At the very least I hope you learned how to better read with comprehension. Can't you EVER talk to people without insults and talking 'down' to people? Hey Buttercup, go read the first paragraph of his response to me and get back to me on just who was mean here first. I have decided to fight fire with fire. This means you and the rest of pottymouths better hunker down - I have a way more interesting vocabulary than you do. Oh ... while it is never intended, a person of reason is always "talking down" to people that express themselves irrationally... /me gets out the popcorn, this is going to be good -- Froz... |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:52:04 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
wrote: Hey Buttercup, go read the first paragraph of his response to me and get back to me on just who was mean here first. I have decided to fight fire with fire. This means you and the rest of pottymouths better hunker down - I have a way more interesting vocabulary than you do. Oh ... while it is never intended, a person of reason is always "talking down" to people that express themselves irrationally... If you listen closely, you can hear the soft clicking of the steel balls as he rolls them over and over again in his hand... Regards, Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ |
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On Sep 22, 5:52*pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Hey Buttercup, go read the first paragraph of his response to me and get back to me on just who was mean here first. Call me Buttercup all you want. But No. You are NOT getting into my pants. He was....ermmm..'MEAN.? Oh nooo, the Thieving Meanies are out to get Tim. I have decided to fight fire with fire. Oh really? *as I look over the top of my glasses at an idiot who has NO clue what the opposition looks like..* This means you and the rest of pottymouths better hunker down - I have a way more interesting vocabulary than you do. * No you ****ing well don't. YOU think you have a more interesting vocabulary...doesn't make it so. The same old rehash as always, Tim. Not an original thought. Glad to see you sunk down to my level though. It is about time we had a friendly man-to-pussy chat. "Here kitty, kitty..." "Yes..I'm one of the meanie potty mouths........................okay...I need a break.. can't see the keyboard from the tears, I'm laughing so hard.... Oh ... while it is never intended, a person of reason is always "talking down" to people that express themselves irrationally... Lessee here..'never intended'..... so..wait... aka unintentional... mmmmm Okay. Let's take inventory here. To disagree with Tim = irrational. Check. Meanies not allowed. Check. Pottymouths are bad. Check. No throwing sand while in the sandbox... unless you dig up a cat-turd, then fling it at Tim. Check. Stop digging up cat turds because Tim LIKES them. Check. So, Timbo... start assembling some original thoughts. We have all seen the fomenting smelly hippy hopium lines already... something fresh. Like douche-nozzle. Oh.. got to go..food's on... |
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