"SEVEN SEVILLE" wrote in message
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Looking for an MP3 player for my recently acquired truck I went to the
local
electronics store which shall remain nameless. I asked the the car stereo
guy
(just last week he was working the television department) about MP3
players and
he showed me a few and told me all this riff raff and suggested that I
would be
happier with XM radio. I was like WTF, i outta just stick with the stock
AM/FM
that's in there right now. Not much difference between XM and FM you know,
they even had a sample in the showroom and you can hear the compression
artyfacts.

Does any of you own an car MP3 player?

Who makes it?
How much did it cost?
How well does it play MP3's?
How does the FM tuner come in?


Can't a salesman give you some advice without you getting all huffy about
it?

"Kirstin Cogdill" wrote ...
Can't a salesman give you some advice without you
getting all huffy about it?

Would YOU take sound/audio "advice" from someone who was
flipping burgers last week?

Redirection (from MP3 to XM) is always suspicious behavior.
Was he not listening to the customer? Did he not know what MP3
is? Is there a big spiff on selling XM this week?

Richard Crowley wrote:

Would YOU take sound/audio "advice" from someone who was
flipping burgers last week?

Appeal to authority, and a straw man argument. You enjoy logical
fallacies don't you. I've worked as a game room attendant, computer
technician, website operator, and combat infantry in the last few
years. I bet I've forgotten more about car audio than many people on
this newsgroup will ever know.

Redirection (from MP3 to XM) is always suspicious behavior.
Was he not listening to the customer? Did he not know what MP3
is? Is there a big spiff on selling XM this week?

You expressed an interest in Digital Audio, presumably for its clarity
over AM/FM. And make no doubt - a properly installed XM setup sounds
alot better than FM. What the salesman did was redirect you to a
competitive product that he felt would satisfy your needs. If you know
it all, mister, then don't bother the salespeople. Order **** from
crutchfield, and spare both yourself and the salesguy the
pain-in-the-ass hostilites. He's just trying to make a living.

--
thelizman

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"It's about the music, stupid"

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"thelizman" wrote ...
Richard Crowley wrote:

Would YOU take sound/audio "advice" from someone who was
flipping burgers last week?

Appeal to authority, and a straw man argument. You enjoy logical
fallacies don't you. I've worked as a game room attendant, computer
technician, website operator, and combat infantry in the last few
years. I bet I've forgotten more about car audio than many people on
this newsgroup will ever know.

Redirection (from MP3 to XM) is always suspicious behavior.
Was he not listening to the customer? Did he not know what MP3
is? Is there a big spiff on selling XM this week?

You expressed an interest in Digital Audio,

Perhaps you should get several facts straight. Go back
and read the original posting.

The OP was "SEVEN SEVILLE" (not me) who was asking for a
unit for his truck that he could use to play his MP3 collection with.

presumably for its clarity over AM/FM.

Actually I believe Mr. Seville was asking specifically
for MP3 playback so that he could play his existing
collection of music. He never mentioned anything about
"clarity" or "digital audio", but specifically for an "MP3
player". The salesguy attempted to up-sell him to a
sattelite receiver which he never expressed any interest
in. I strongly suspect that there was a financial incentive
to sell satellite radio receivers, but I could overly
suspicious from previous dishonest encounters.

And make no doubt - a properly installed XM setup
sounds alot better than FM.

Mr. Seville specifically stated that he could hear the
compression artifacts in the demo setup at the shop.
If satellite receiver quality really is determined by
"proper installation" then Mr. Seville had no real
expectation that they could do any better in his truck,
than they did for their own sales demo, now did he?
An inauspicious exhibit of their abilities to say the
least.

What the salesman did was redirect you to a
competitive product that he felt would satisfy your needs. If you know
it all, mister, then don't bother the salespeople. Order **** from
crutchfield, and spare both yourself and the salesguy the
pain-in-the-ass hostilites. He's just trying to make a living.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why local shops are going
out of business. Customers can't find anyone that either knows
what they are talking about or will give them a straight and
unbiased answer. Thank goodness for the internet. No further
questions, your honor. I rest my case. The witness is excused.

Richard Crowley wrote:

Perhaps you should get several facts straight. Go back
and read the original posting.

The OP was "SEVEN SEVILLE" (not me) who was asking for a
unit for his truck that he could use to play his MP3 collection with.

Okay dickhead, perhaps you shouldn't munge the quotes in your replies.
The original post is not on my server - one of the many reasons usenet
equiquette exists is to preserve the context and format of statements.

Actually I believe Mr. Seville was asking specifically
for MP3 playback so that he could play his existing
collection of music. He never mentioned anything about
"clarity" or "digital audio", but specifically for an "MP3
player".

Wow, I think I've met my match in the "pompous arrogant ****"
department. If I recall, my statement was that "[he] expressed an
interest in Digital Audio", which is what MP3 is. The salesman was right
to direct his attention towards digital satellite radio options.

The salesguy attempted to up-sell him to a
sattelite receiver which he never expressed any interest
in.

How can you express interest in something you don't know about? This is
why stores still have salesman. As I advised, if you know it all, then
don't bother the sales people.

I strongly suspect that there was a financial incentive
to sell satellite radio receivers, but I could overly
suspicious from previous dishonest encounters.


Newsflash guy - he's a commercial establishment. There's a financial
incentive to sell everything. It's called "capitalism".


Mr. Seville specifically stated that he could hear the
compression artifacts in the demo setup at the shop.

If satellite receiver quality really is determined by
"proper installation" then Mr. Seville had no real
expectation that they could do any better in his truck,
than they did for their own sales demo, now did he?
An inauspicious exhibit of their abilities to say the
least.

The keywords being a "demo setup", which was likely through an FM
modulator. A unit with builtin XM reception produces very high quality
music. I think you need to stop speaking for Mr. Seville. You're not
even doing a good job of making up your bs on the fl, much less trying
to interpret his perceptions.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why local shops are going
out of business. Customers can't find anyone that either knows
what they are talking about or will give them a straight and
unbiased answer. Thank goodness for the internet. No further
questions, your honor. I rest my case. The witness is excused.

"local" shops, when they are going out of business, are doing so because
of their inability to compete with chain stores in the areas of price
and product availability. The talent at the chain stores is roughly the
same, which can be bad or good. I haven't seen any local shops going out
of business around here. In fact, one of my former coworkes left his job
at a chain store to start a "local" shop selling car sound and
performance products - he's making more money than he knows what to do
with. Another former coworker left a management position at said chain
store and bought up a 'local' shop and has now expanded to two
operations in fairly large market (Greensboro / Winston-Salem, NC).

Local shops going out of business indeed. Ask Eddie Runner how close he
is to going out of business.


--
thelizman

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"It's about the music, stupid"

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In sci.electronics.repair thelizman wrote:

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Do I have your express permission to quote your posts (which are
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IOW, I wish to reproduce the contents of your posts in a venue other
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If I don't then can you please limit your responses to those Usenet
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"Robert Grizzard" wrote in message
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In sci.electronics.repair thelizman wrote:

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you can sit down now. you have my permission.




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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:05:07 -0500 thelizman
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Wow, I think I've met my match in the "pompous arrogant ****"
department.

Nah, I don't think so. You have a personality that only a cadaver could
love... which no doubt explains why you count so many of them amongst
your sexual conquests.

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:05:07 -0500, thelizman
wrote:

Okay dickhead, ...


... one of the many reasons usenet
equiquette exists


ROTFL!
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~~~
Maybe I should ask Radio Shack. They claim they've got answers;
but frankly, if Radio Shack were our provider, we'd _really_ be in
trouble now, wouldn't we?
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:05:07 -0500, thelizman
wrote:

How can you express interest in something you don't know about?

Straw man. To want to learn is to express interest.
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~~~
Maybe I should ask Radio Shack. They claim they've got answers;
but frankly, if Radio Shack were our provider, we'd _really_ be in
trouble now, wouldn't we?
~~~~~~~~