If you have been following my hunt for a new DP with more capacity and
convenience features you may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
on the Delta 17-959L. My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal mobile base.
Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting together the mobile
base, this is the 3rd of this type base I have in the shop. If I were a
beginner woodworker I may have given up on wood working right then. It was
not the base, it was me. You know when you read on the wrong side of the
inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5". Both are exactly
..5" on either side of the 20" marker. Any way after a few hours the base
was finished and worked fine. Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately
larger than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base, then the DP base
was bolted to the ply wood base. Then I could begin assembling the DP.
The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table attached to the
column mount. Then came the struggle of getting the heavy DP head to the
top of the column. Actually next came getting the heavy DP head out of the
box. My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown act trying to get the
thing out of the box. Of course the box lid folds open but each side of the
lid is wider than the box side so the lid effectively makes the width of the
box even wider and the target even farther away. We both stumbled a couple
of times tripping and smashing the box as we carried our catch away. We
put the head on a work bench and waited until all of the huffing and puffing
subsided to ponder lifting this thing from the work bench to above eye level
AND negotiate the union of the column into the mounting hole. My wife would
be needed, she being a quilter has the talent to thread a needle, surely she
can guide us in placing the head on to the column. We both squat under the
head teetering on the edge of the bench and slowly stand up with the bottom
ends of the head setting on the palms of out hands and then proceed to the
DP column. Now we need to push up from about shoulder level to above "my"
eye level and gently lower the head on to the column. With my wife's
guidance we managed to lift the head above the column and set it on the
column but not quite in the right spot, but it did give us a chance to do
some more much needed huffing and puffing as it sat delicately balanced on
the top of the column. We gathered more courage, lifted, wiggled, grunted,
and delicately let the head SLAM in place on the column. Now I am sure
that the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are really
no decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know if
the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. Couple that with the wind
chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.
OK I have had the DP for a whole 5 days and so far it works GREAT!.
LOL, We'll see if it holds up 30 years like the DP it is replacing. Fit
and finish, every thing fits fine. All bolts threaded properly in all
threaded holes, and all components fit as wanted, not necessarily expected,
but that is a good thing. Finish, probably the worse surface finish of any
one piece of my equipment, although it looks good the non milled surfaces
feel like 40 grit sand paper. All of these surfaces have a black paint
finish. The surfaces feel like they have been covered with black wrinkle
paint. An up close look reveals regular paint on a rough surface. Machined
surfaces however are very good and those surfaces work together smoothly.
In particular the forward tilt table tilts forward very smoothly and stays
where you put it before tightening the 2 trunions in place. The laser, not
an item that I would have paid extra for, provides a thin narrow line on one
side and a line about 4 times wider on the other side. I am not quite sure
how or if this can be corrected. As it is the lines cross at the target to
within about 1/16" accuracy. If both light lines were thin the accuracy
would probably be closer to 1/64". With 16 speeds I have a much wider
choice of speeds and a lower range of speeds than with my older DP. The
Speed/Pulley chart that Delta puts inside the belt cover is terrible. It
indicates the belt positions starting with the belts at the top of the
pulley and the next belt one pulley down, this progresses one pulley at a
time until all belts are at the lowest points on the pulleys. While this
may seem OK it does not indicate chuck speed increase or decrease in any
particular order. So if you want to go from 215 RPM to say 540 rpm you have
to look are every pulley drawing configuration to find that speed and there
actually may not be a 540 RPM speed. To solve this I used Sketchup to
redraw all the pulley configurations except that they are in progressive RPM
order. This way you know which speed is actually next by looking at the
next speed as opposed to hunting for the next higher speed on all of the
other drawings. If any one is interested I can send you a copy of this
drawing in PDF or Sketchup format and you can change the rpm's to reflect
the ones on your particular DP. The ON/OFF switch is still the spring
loaded push button desigh that pretends to look like a magnetic switch. If
the DP is unplugged you cannot tell if the switch is off or on and plugging
it back in may indeed turn the DP back on unexpectedly. My Jet lathe and
Delta stationary planer use similar style switches and also require you to
manually insure that the switch is in the off position before plugging it
in. The Delta DP switch is improved however as you can push the switch at
any place and it will perform the expected function. The other mentioned
switches require an "in the middle straight in push" to operate. I have
transferred my new DP table and fence from my old DP and am eagerly awaiting
the opportunity to drill some holes.

Any one in the Houston area interested in a Rockwell radial DP?

Leon wrote:

The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table attached to
the column mount. Then came the struggle of getting the heavy DP
head to the top of the column. Actually next came getting the heavy
DP head out of the box. My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown
act trying to get the thing out of the box. Of course the box lid
folds open but each side of the lid is wider than the box side so the
lid effectively makes the width of the box even wider and the target
even farther away. We both stumbled a couple of times tripping and
smashing the box as we carried our catch away.

I've learned over the years to unpack in such a way that I can lift the box
away from the contents, or just cut the sides down so they can be removed.
Lifting big heavy things out of boxes is not good for aging backs.

We put the head on a
work bench and waited until all of the huffing and puffing subsided
to ponder lifting this thing from the work bench to above eye level
AND negotiate the union of the column into the mounting hole. My
wife would be needed, she being a quilter has the talent to thread a
needle, surely she can guide us in placing the head on to the column.
We both squat under the head teetering on the edge of the bench and
slowly stand up with the bottom ends of the head setting on the
palms of out hands and then proceed to the DP column. Now we need to
push up from about shoulder level to above "my" eye level and gently
lower the head on to the column.

I've have been tempted to assemble it horizontally on the floor and then use
a pulley to hoist it vertical, but maybe with at least one more guy to help.
Hmmmm, this sounds like good justification for a chain-hoist installation:
"Honey, it's for safety, you want us to be safe, right?"

Fun post to read, thanks.

"Leon" wrote in message
...
If you have been following my hunt for a new DP with more capacity and
convenience features you may also know that I decided and got a decent
deal on the Delta 17-959L. My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday
morning and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal mobile
base. Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting together the
mobile base, this is the 3rd of this type base I have in the shop. If I
were a beginner woodworker I may have given up on wood working right then.
It was not the base, it was me. You know when you read on the wrong side
of the inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5". Both are
exactly .5" on either side of the 20" marker. Any way after a few hours
the base was finished and worked fine. Next I put a piece of plywood
appropriately larger than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base,
then the DP base was bolted to the ply wood base. Then I could begin
assembling the DP. The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table
attached to the column mount. Then came the struggle of getting the heavy
DP head to the top of the column. Actually next came getting the heavy DP
head out of the box. My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown act
trying to get the thing out of the box. Of course the box lid folds open
but each side of the lid is wider than the box side so the lid effectively
makes the width of the box even wider and the target even farther away.
We both stumbled a couple of times tripping and smashing the box as we
carried our catch away. We put the head on a work bench and waited until
all of the huffing and puffing subsided to ponder lifting this thing from
the work bench to above eye level AND negotiate the union of the column
into the mounting hole. My wife would be needed, she being a quilter has
the talent to thread a needle, surely she can guide us in placing the head
on to the column. We both squat under the head teetering on the edge of
the bench and slowly stand up with the bottom ends of the head setting on
the palms of out hands and then proceed to the DP column. Now we need to
push up from about shoulder level to above "my" eye level and gently
lower the head on to the column. With my wife's guidance we managed to
lift the head above the column and set it on the column but not quite in
the right spot, but it did give us a chance to do some more much needed
huffing and puffing as it sat delicately balanced on the top of the
column. We gathered more courage, lifted, wiggled, grunted, and
delicately let the head SLAM in place on the column. Now I am sure that
the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are really no
decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know
if the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. Couple that with the
wind chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.
OK I have had the DP for a whole 5 days and so far it works GREAT!.
LOL, We'll see if it holds up 30 years like the DP it is replacing. Fit
and finish, every thing fits fine. All bolts threaded properly in all
threaded holes, and all components fit as wanted, not necessarily
expected, but that is a good thing. Finish, probably the worse surface
finish of any one piece of my equipment, although it looks good the non
milled surfaces feel like 40 grit sand paper. All of these surfaces have
a black paint finish. The surfaces feel like they have been covered with
black wrinkle paint. An up close look reveals regular paint on a rough
surface. Machined surfaces however are very good and those surfaces work
together smoothly. In particular the forward tilt table tilts forward very
smoothly and stays where you put it before tightening the 2 trunions in
place. The laser, not an item that I would have paid extra for, provides
a thin narrow line on one side and a line about 4 times wider on the other
side. I am not quite sure how or if this can be corrected. As it is the
lines cross at the target to within about 1/16" accuracy. If both light
lines were thin the accuracy would probably be closer to 1/64". With 16
speeds I have a much wider choice of speeds and a lower range of speeds
than with my older DP. The Speed/Pulley chart that Delta puts inside the
belt cover is terrible. It indicates the belt positions starting with the
belts at the top of the pulley and the next belt one pulley down, this
progresses one pulley at a time until all belts are at the lowest points
on the pulleys. While this may seem OK it does not indicate chuck speed
increase or decrease in any particular order. So if you want to go from
215 RPM to say 540 rpm you have to look are every pulley drawing
configuration to find that speed and there actually may not be a 540 RPM
speed. To solve this I used Sketchup to redraw all the pulley
configurations except that they are in progressive RPM order. This way
you know which speed is actually next by looking at the next speed as
opposed to hunting for the next higher speed on all of the other drawings.
If any one is interested I can send you a copy of this drawing in PDF or
Sketchup format and you can change the rpm's to reflect the ones on your
particular DP. The ON/OFF switch is still the spring loaded push button
desigh that pretends to look like a magnetic switch. If the DP is
unplugged you cannot tell if the switch is off or on and plugging it back
in may indeed turn the DP back on unexpectedly. My Jet lathe and Delta
stationary planer use similar style switches and also require you to
manually insure that the switch is in the off position before plugging it
in. The Delta DP switch is improved however as you can push the switch at
any place and it will perform the expected function. The other mentioned
switches require an "in the middle straight in push" to operate. I have
transferred my new DP table and fence from my old DP and am eagerly
awaiting the opportunity to drill some holes.

Any one in the Houston area interested in a Rockwell radial DP?

As someone who has set up a number of shops, I can relate to the assembly
trauma/ordeal. One thing I did after a time is to keep some 2 X 4's handy
and make some kind of support beam. I would either cut away some material to
fit the equipment and/or add something. Then lift from the wood rather than
from the machine. Much easier on the hands and back. Although as I get
older, I think a better solution is to hire some healthy. strong backs for
the task.

Good to hear that the DP is meeting or beating your expectations.

"Leon" wrote in message
that the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are
really
no decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know
if
the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. Couple that with the wind
chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.

With all the toys you have, don't you think it's about time you invested in
a ceiling mounted rail system for hoisting and moving heavy objects around?

"Upscale" wrote in message
...



With all the toys you have, don't you think it's about time you invested
in
a ceiling mounted rail system for hoisting and moving heavy objects
around?



NO! I "HOPE" that, and mentioned to my wife that I am finished buying big
machinery. My dear wife said it would be OK if I found more to buy.
All of my heavy stuff is now mobile and easy to move. If and when we move,
this will aid in moving the equipment.
Last August I helped Swingman move his shop to a storage center after his
shop flooded. He rented a box van with lift gate and the moving task was
really quite simple and went with out much difficulty including the cabinet
saw with its long right table.

Of course Swingman was not in a jolly mood during the ordeal, it was enough
to try anyone's temperament. Ironically his shop is now in a new location
and he later raised the floor in the old location to prevent flooding.
Unfortunately the new location flooded and the old location stayed dry.
;~( Talk about NOT dodging the bullets.

"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...
Leon wrote:

The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table attached to
the column mount. Then came the struggle of getting the heavy DP
head to the top of the column. Actually next came getting the heavy
DP head out of the box. My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown
act trying to get the thing out of the box. Of course the box lid
folds open but each side of the lid is wider than the box side so the
lid effectively makes the width of the box even wider and the target
even farther away. We both stumbled a couple of times tripping and
smashing the box as we carried our catch away.

I've learned over the years to unpack in such a way that I can lift the
box away from the contents, or just cut the sides down so they can be
removed. Lifting big heavy things out of boxes is not good for aging
backs.

Using that "hind site thang", that seems like a pretty good idea!




We put the head on a
work bench and waited until all of the huffing and puffing subsided
to ponder lifting this thing from the work bench to above eye level
AND negotiate the union of the column into the mounting hole. My
wife would be needed, she being a quilter has the talent to thread a
needle, surely she can guide us in placing the head on to the column.
We both squat under the head teetering on the edge of the bench and
slowly stand up with the bottom ends of the head setting on the
palms of out hands and then proceed to the DP column. Now we need to
push up from about shoulder level to above "my" eye level and gently
lower the head on to the column.

I've have been tempted to assemble it horizontally on the floor and then
use a pulley to hoist it vertical, but maybe with at least one more guy to
help. Hmmmm, this sounds like good justification for a chain-hoist
installation: "Honey, it's for safety, you want us to be safe, right?"

I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being on the
larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed to present
possible problems. You should have seen my son and I mounting the 4.5hp
220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He had to hold the motor up
about 20" off the floor and keep it properly clocked while I on the other
side of the saw screwed the bolts in and hold the belt out of the way. The
motor probably weighed close to 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the
planer and TS look small by compairison.


Fun post to read, thanks.

Sure!

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

Good to hear that the DP is meeting or beating your expectations.

Thanks!

"Leon" wrote in message

If both light lines were thin the accuracy
would probably be closer to 1/64".

When I need repeatability I use a back stop clamped to the table. I always
measure and mark my first center point by hand. After that it depends on
how much flex is in the DP head. I have a pretty much junk HF DP, but I can
get ok work out of it that way.

"Leon" writes:
You should have seen my son and I mounting the 4.5hp
220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He had to hold the motor up
about 20" off the floor and keep it properly clocked while I on the other
side of the saw screwed the bolts in and hold the belt out of the way. The
motor probably weighed close to 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the
planer and TS look small by compairison.

Hm. When I got my LT16, they had shipped two 4x4 blocks of wood that were
the perfect length to support the motor while I bolted it to the frame.

scott

On Apr 29, 12:51*pm, "Upscale" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
that the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are
really
no decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know
if
the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. *Couple that with the wind
chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.

With all the toys you have, don't you think it's about time you invested in
a ceiling mounted rail system for hoisting and moving heavy objects around?

A peepot full of years ago, I bought an engine crane. It has removed
exactly one engine (that I know of: it is occasionally on loan), but
has lifted a lot of heavy tools onto their feet, drill press heads
onto their columns and that sort of thing. Long gone are the days when
I could put most of a 6" jointer together on the floor and then grab
the tables in close and flip it upright without a care. Same with
doing a clean and jerk with a drill press head, after which you get to
move it around until the column and the hole in the head line up--
usually right after one of your fingers slips into the hole on the
head.

Some of the newer packing set ups come close to being totally baffling
anyway. Jet's hybrid saw, for example, is a really nice tool. It comes
packed upside down, in tightfitting styrofoam inside tightfitting
cardboard (for those old enough, think Sammy Davis Jr.'s britches).
Once you unearth the manual, it tells you to save all packing
materials in case something is wrong. Uh, sure. After using a utility
knife to slice both cardboard and styrofoam, I'm going to store all
the cut up bits. Ryobi's hybrid comes packing inside a metal cage. The
saw has a granite top and weights, if memory serves, 452 pounds
without its cage.

Enjoy your new DP, Leon.

"Upscale" wrote

"Leon" wrote in message
NO! I "HOPE" that, and mentioned to my wife that I am finished buying
big
machinery.

Then, you're going to have a BIG PROBLEM sometime in the near future.
Knowing your penchant for Festool, what are you going to do when they come
out with their 3000 lb quadruple in one thingamadoodle?


Not to worry, even Leon can't afford that monster.

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
...
"Leon" writes:
You should have seen my son and I mounting the 4.5hp
220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He had to hold the motor up
about 20" off the floor and keep it properly clocked while I on the other
side of the saw screwed the bolts in and hold the belt out of the way.
The
motor probably weighed close to 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the
planer and TS look small by compairison.

Hm. When I got my LT16, they had shipped two 4x4 blocks of wood that were
the perfect length to support the motor while I bolted it to the frame.

scott

LT16 or LT16HD? My LT16HD motor was wrapped in Styrofoam and card board
setting on top of the bottom wheel housing. Basically it was setting where
the table sets. AND it was strapped in place so it would not fall out of
that location. No wooden blocks. ;~(

Leon wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message

I've have been tempted to assemble it horizontally on the floor and then
use a pulley to hoist it vertical, but maybe with at least one more guy to
help. Hmmmm, this sounds like good justification for a chain-hoist
installation: "Honey, it's for safety, you want us to be safe, right?"

I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being on the
larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed to present
possible problems.

I did mine horizontally with no problems... different press and
different base though.

Fun post to read, thanks.

It was a fun post. Next time though, use a few line feeds... they are
cheap and are easier on these old eyes...

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://Motzarella.org
http://jbstein.com

"Upscale" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote in message
NO! I "HOPE" that, and mentioned to my wife that I am finished buying
big
machinery.

Then, you're going to have a BIG PROBLEM sometime in the near future.
Knowing your penchant for Festool, what are you going to do when they come
out with their 3000 lb quadruple in one thingamadoodle?

That even sounds too expensive. I can tell you right now I won't be able to
afford it. LOL
Although I have been reading about the new Festool Drills. Yes very
expensive, 2.5 time more expensive than a similar cordless drill. They have
an electronic clutch and apparently cut the power when the desired torque is
reached. And they come with a rotatable flush position drill adapter, a 90
degree drill adapter, and a chuck drill adapter, in addition to the built
ins hex drive.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
"Leon" wrote in message

If both light lines were thin the accuracy
would probably be closer to 1/64".

When I need repeatability I use a back stop clamped to the table. I
always measure and mark my first center point by hand. After that it
depends on how much flex is in the DP head. I have a pretty much junk HF
DP, but I can get ok work out of it that way.

Yeah that is hat I have been doing for the past 30 years with my old DP and
will probably continue to do so. However if "quick down and dirty and no
need for great accuracy" is good enough, the laser makes the task go 3 or 4
seconds faster per hole. It is especially more helpful when using larger
forstner bits as the point is harder to see.

"Leon" wrote in message
NO! I "HOPE" that, and mentioned to my wife that I am finished buying big
machinery.

Then, you're going to have a BIG PROBLEM sometime in the near future.
Knowing your penchant for Festool, what are you going to do when they come
out with their 3000 lb quadruple in one thingamadoodle?

Jack Stein wrote in -
september.org:

It was a fun post. Next time though, use a few line feeds... they are
cheap and are easier on these old eyes...

It was a fun post. I was longing for the YouTube video link, thoguh ;-)


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:

[snipped stream of consciousness report]

DGDevin beat me to the punch with the
assemble-it-on-the-ground-and-then-tilt-it-up suggestion. That's
exactly how I did my 17-925 (admittedly a little smaller and lighter,
but not by much). And except for the last part, tipping it up, I was
able to do it all alone. There was just no way to tip that beast by
myself, though, so I called on my neighbor who works nights...

And even when you were "yabbuting" the idea with the comment about the
base being bolted to the ply and the ply bolted to the mobile base, I
was saying, "duh, unbolt the base--tip the whole thing up and then
move it onto the base and rebolt."

Too late, now, though, so never mind.

But to all you youngsters out there--try to avoid at all costs hand
lifting a heavy (more than a bag of Sakrete), unwieldy piece of arn up
over your head. No fun and fraught with danger.

I too have come to the conclusion that I pretty much have what I need.
I just can't bring myself to say it unconditionally, and I certainly
haven't articulated it to SWMBO. The door of opportunity for future
purchase I haven't foreseen would slam shut and be permanently dogged
down within microseconds of her hearing "...don't need more tools."

Have fun with the new toy.




--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net
http://www.normstools.com

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

"Jack Stein" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message

I've have been tempted to assemble it horizontally on the floor and then
use a pulley to hoist it vertical, but maybe with at least one more guy
to help. Hmmmm, this sounds like good justification for a chain-hoist
installation: "Honey, it's for safety, you want us to be safe, right?"

I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being on
the larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed to
present possible problems.

I did mine horizontally with no problems... different press and different
base though.

I figured that the mobile base would handle the 238 lbs better in its normal
operating position rather than on its side.



It was a fun post. Next time though, use a few line feeds... they are
cheap and are easier on these old eyes...

Line Feeds?

Yep...line feeds...that funky looking key just to your
right... Here is a brief version with "line feeds"..

********** Leon's Post with LF's **************

If you have been following my hunt for a new DP
with more capacity and convenience features you
may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
on the Delta 17-959L.

My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal
mobile base.

Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting
together the mobile base, this is the 3rd of this type
base I have in the shop.

If I were a beginner woodworker I may have given up on
wood working right then.

It was not the base, it was me.

You know when you read on the wrong side of the
inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5".
Both are exactly .5" on either side of the 20" marker.

Any way after a few hours the base was finished and
worked fine.

Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately larger
than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base,
then the DP base was bolted to the ply wood base.


Leon wrote:

Line Feeds?

Oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh!

Double space between paragraphs or something similar. As you may have
noticed, I was doing good to indent a time or two.

I'll try to be more considerate for you older guys. ;~)




"Pat Barber" wrote in message
...
Yep...line feeds...that funky looking key just to your
right... Here is a brief version with "line feeds"..

********** Leon's Post with LF's **************

If you have been following my hunt for a new DP
with more capacity and convenience features you
may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
on the Delta 17-959L.

My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal
mobile base.

Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting
together the mobile base, this is the 3rd of this type
base I have in the shop.

If I were a beginner woodworker I may have given up on
wood working right then.

It was not the base, it was me.

You know when you read on the wrong side of the
inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5".
Both are exactly .5" on either side of the 20" marker.

Any way after a few hours the base was finished and
worked fine.

Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately larger
than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base,
then the DP base was bolted to the ply wood base.


Leon wrote:

Line Feeds?

"Leon" writes:

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
m...
"Leon" writes:
You should have seen my son and I mounting the 4.5hp
220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He had to hold the motor up
about 20" off the floor and keep it properly clocked while I on the other
side of the saw screwed the bolts in and hold the belt out of the way.
The
motor probably weighed close to 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the
planer and TS look small by compairison.

Hm. When I got my LT16, they had shipped two 4x4 blocks of wood that were
the perfect length to support the motor while I bolted it to the frame.

scott

LT16 or LT16HD? My LT16HD motor was wrapped in Styrofoam and card board
setting on top of the bottom wheel housing. Basically it was setting where
the table sets. AND it was strapped in place so it would not fall out of
that location. No wooden blocks. ;~(

LT-16 (but with foot brake).

Mine was the same way. The table was in a separate box strapped to the
side where the motor mounts and the motor (in original box) was strapped
where the table mounts.

The two 4x4 blocks of wood were on the top of the unit. I don't remember
now their actual purpose, IIRC they were just used to protect the
tension adjustment knob from damage.

BTW - if you release tension, don't forget to reapply _before_ you hit
the power button. DAMHIKT.

scott

"Leon" wrote:

I'll try to be more considerate for you older guys. ;~)

Not only old, but lazy.

Ever wonder why legal briefs are double spaced?

Lew

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
m...

BTW - if you release tension,

I DO!

don't forget to reapply _before_ you hit
the power button. DAMHIKT.


Yeah I think I did that once many years ago on my old Craftsman. What I do
now as a reminder is to engage the dead kill switch if I relieve tension.
If the saw will not start and the dead kill switch is engaged I know to
check the tension first.

Leon wrote:

I've learned over the years to unpack in such a way that I can lift
the box away from the contents, or just cut the sides down so they
can be removed. Lifting big heavy things out of boxes is not good
for aging backs.

Using that "hind site thang", that seems like a pretty good idea!

Experience, it's what teaches us to recognize a mistake when we've made it
again.

I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being
on the larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed
to present possible problems. You should have seen my son and I
mounting the 4.5hp 220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He
had to hold the motor up about 20" off the floor and keep it properly
clocked while I on the other side of the saw screwed the bolts in and
hold the belt out of the way. The motor probably weighed close to
100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the planer and TS look small by
compairison.

It just occurred to me that within a fifteen minute drive of here there are
at least two places that rent stuff like engine stands and portable hoists
and scissor lifts so on. I'm going to have to remember that for future
assemblies and installations instead of asking the wife to brace the [insert
name of tool] while I try to hold a contorted position while threading a nut
onto a bolt....

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote:

I'll try to be more considerate for you older guys. ;~)

Not only old, but lazy.

Ever wonder why legal briefs are double spaced?


No, I'm strictly a Jockey briefs kinda guy. ;!)

Speaking of that, I know several years ago the better Canon 35mm cameras
could detect where you were looking in the view finder and would
automatically focus at that distance. Surely a similar device could be
used, similar to a web cam, that would detect where you were looking on the
screed and enlarge that line of text.

"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...


Using that "hind site thang", that seems like a pretty good idea!

Experience, it's what teaches us to recognize a mistake when we've made it
again.

Deja-vu


I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being
on the larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed
to present possible problems. You should have seen my son and I
mounting the 4.5hp 220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He
had to hold the motor up about 20" off the floor and keep it properly
clocked while I on the other side of the saw screwed the bolts in and
hold the belt out of the way. The motor probably weighed close to
100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the planer and TS look small by
compairison.

It just occurred to me that within a fifteen minute drive of here there
are at least two places that rent stuff like engine stands and portable
hoists and scissor lifts so on. I'm going to have to remember that for
future assemblies and installations instead of asking the wife to brace
the [insert name of tool] while I try to hold a contorted position while
threading a nut onto a bolt....

You had to bring that up...... I have a roll around hydraulic jack within a
15 seconds crawl under a work bench. ;~( I'm sure there was a good reason
for not using it 3 years ago.

"Leon" wrote:

Speaking of that, I know several years ago the better Canon 35mm
cameras could detect where you were looking in the view finder and
would automatically focus at that distance. Surely a similar device
could be used, similar to a web cam, that would detect where you
were looking on the screed and enlarge that line of text.

If the text isn't formatted so that it is easy to read (Including "no
squint" type size), I just move on to the next posting.

Lew

Leon wrote:

It just occurred to me that within a fifteen minute drive of here
there are at least two places that rent stuff like engine stands and
portable hoists and scissor lifts so on. I'm going to have to
remember that for future assemblies and installations instead of
asking the wife to brace the [insert name of tool] while I try to
hold a contorted position while threading a nut onto a bolt....

You had to bring that up...... I have a roll around hydraulic jack
within a 15 seconds crawl under a work bench. ;~( I'm sure there
was a good reason for not using it 3 years ago.

I had to wonder, I'm betting you're not alone in that sort of thing.

Pat Barber wrote:
Yep...line feeds...that funky looking key just to your
right... Here is a brief version with "line feeds"..

********** Leon's Post with LF's **************

If you have been following my hunt for a new DP
with more capacity and convenience features you
may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
on the Delta 17-959L.

My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal
mobile base.

Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting
together the mobile base, this is the 3rd of this type
base I have in the shop.

If I were a beginner woodworker I may have given up on
wood working right then.

It was not the base, it was me.

You know when you read on the wrong side of the
inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5".
Both are exactly .5" on either side of the 20" marker.

Any way after a few hours the base was finished and
worked fine.

Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately larger
than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base,
then the DP base was bolted to the ply wood base.

Yeah, but now I have to scroll vertically to see the whole post, and my
uber-wide, ultra-fancy, 24" LCD monitor has 30% text on the left side of
the screen and 70% empty whitespace on the right! And surely you're not
telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't support that
new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?

:-)

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Leon wrote:
"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
m...
BTW - if you release tension,

I DO!

don't forget to reapply _before_ you hit
the power button. DAMHIKT.


Yeah I think I did that once many years ago on my old Craftsman. What I do
now as a reminder is to engage the dead kill switch if I relieve tension.
If the saw will not start and the dead kill switch is engaged I know to
check the tension first.

My saw doesn't have that, so I just pop open the upper door so it opens
the interlock switch.

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:29:02 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote:

I'll try to be more considerate for you older guys. ;~)

Not only old, but lazy.

Ever wonder why legal briefs are double spaced?

Speaking of that, I know several years ago the better Canon 35mm cameras
could detect where you were looking in the view finder and would
automatically focus at that distance. Surely a similar device could be
used, similar to a web cam, that would detect where you were looking on the

screed

Ha, ha. Was that intentional?

and enlarge that line of text.




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If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
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On Apr 29, 11:29*am, "Leon" wrote:
* * *If you have been following my hunt for a new DP with more capacity and
convenience features you may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
on the Delta 17-959L. *My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal mobile base.
Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting together the mobile
base, this is the 3rd of this type base I have in the shop. *If I were a
beginner woodworker I may have given up on wood working right then. *It was
not the base, it was me. *You know when you read on the wrong side of the
inch marker.... *you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5". *Both are exactly
.5" on either side of the 20" marker. *Any way after a few hours the base
was finished and worked fine. *Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately
larger than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base, then the DP base
was bolted to the ply wood base. *Then I could begin assembling the DP.
The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table attached to the
column mount. *Then came the struggle of getting the heavy DP head to the
top of the column. *Actually next came getting the heavy DP head out of the
box. *My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown act trying to get the
thing out of the box. *Of course the box lid folds open but each side of the
lid is wider than the box side so the lid effectively makes the width of the
box even wider and the target even farther away. *We both stumbled a couple
of times tripping and smashing the box as we carried our catch away. * We
put the head on a work bench and waited until all of the huffing and puffing
subsided to ponder lifting this thing from the work bench to above eye level
AND negotiate the union of the column into the mounting hole. *My wife would
be needed, she being a quilter has the talent to thread a needle, surely she
can guide us in placing the head on to the column. *We both squat under the
head teetering on the edge of the bench and slowly stand up with the *bottom
ends of the head setting on the palms of out hands and then proceed to the
DP column. *Now we need to push up from *about shoulder level to above "my"
eye level and gently lower the head on to the column. *With my wife's
guidance we managed to lift the head above the column and set it on the
column but not quite in the right spot, but it did give us a chance to do
some more much needed huffing and puffing as it sat delicately balanced on
the top of the column. *We gathered more courage, lifted, wiggled, grunted,
and delicately let the head SLAM in place on the column. * Now I am sure
that the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are really
no decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know if
the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. *Couple that with the wind
chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.
* * *OK I have had the DP for a whole 5 days and so far it works GREAT!.
LOL, *We'll see if it holds up 30 years like the DP it is replacing. *Fit
and finish, every thing fits fine. *All bolts threaded properly in all
threaded holes, and all components fit as wanted, not necessarily expected,
but that is a good thing. *Finish, probably the worse surface finish of any
one piece of my equipment, although it looks good the non milled surfaces
feel like 40 grit sand paper. *All of these surfaces have a black paint
finish. * The surfaces feel like they have been covered with black wrinkle
paint. *An up close look reveals regular paint on a rough surface. *Machined
surfaces however are very good and those surfaces work together smoothly.
In particular the forward tilt table tilts forward very smoothly and stays
where you put it before tightening the 2 trunions in place. *The laser, not
an item that I would have paid extra for, provides a thin narrow line on one
side and a line about 4 times wider on the other side. *I am not quite sure
how or if this can be corrected. *As it is the lines cross at the target to
within about 1/16" accuracy. *If both light lines were thin the accuracy
would probably be closer to 1/64". *With 16 speeds I have a much wider
choice of speeds and a lower range of speeds than with my older DP. *The
Speed/Pulley chart that Delta puts inside the belt cover is terrible. *It
indicates the belt positions starting with the belts at the top of the
pulley and the next belt one pulley down, this progresses one pulley at a
time until all belts are at the lowest points on the pulleys. *While this
may seem OK it does not indicate chuck speed increase or decrease in any
particular order. *So if you want to go from 215 RPM to say 540 rpm you have
to look are every pulley drawing configuration to find that speed and there
actually may not be a 540 RPM speed. *To solve this I used Sketchup to
redraw all the pulley configurations except that they are in progressive RPM
order. *This way you know which speed is actually next by looking at the
next speed as opposed to hunting for the next higher speed on all of the
other drawings. *If any one is interested I can send you a copy of this
drawing *in PDF or Sketchup format and you can change the rpm's to reflect
the ones on your particular DP. * The ON/OFF switch is still the spring
loaded push button desigh that pretends to look like a magnetic switch. *If
the DP is unplugged you cannot tell if the switch is off or on and plugging
it back in may indeed turn the DP back on unexpectedly. *My Jet lathe and
Delta stationary planer use similar style switches and also require you to
manually insure that the switch is in the off position before plugging it
in. *The Delta DP switch is improved however as you can push the switch at
any place and it will perform the expected function. *The other mentioned
switches require an "in the middle straight in push" to operate. *I have
transferred my new DP table and fence from my old DP and am eagerly awaiting
the opportunity to drill some holes.

Any one in the Houston area interested in a Rockwell radial DP?

Just think. Now you get to make the most accurate hash-pipe on the
block. :-}

Congrats on the new toyyyOOlTOOL, I said TOOL.
Use it in safety and good health.

"Steve Turner" wrote in message
...

Yeah, but now I have to scroll vertically to see the whole post, and my
uber-wide, ultra-fancy, 24" LCD monitor has 30% text on the left side of
the screen and 70% empty whitespace on the right! And surely you're not
telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't support that
new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?

I use a darn ole 18.1" NEC LCD. I have had it for 8 years and it just
won't die not even any blown pixels. I have been drooling over the 24"ers
for a couple of years now. They sure have come down in price a LOT. I have
been seeing them regularly advertised for $199 at CompUSA.

Actually they have become too inexpensive for my taste now, I think I'll
start focusing on the newer OLED 24"ers when they come out. :~)

Steve Turner wrote:
....
telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't support that
new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?
....

nntp protocol is line length 80 characters

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"LRod" wrote in message
...

screed

Ha, ha. Was that intentional?

and enlarge that line of text.


type-o, I mean YEAH!

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...

Just think. Now you get to make the most accurate hash-pipe on the
block. :-}

Oar uh bong, man!


Congrats on the new toyyyOOlTOOL, I said TOOL.
Use it in safety and good health.

Thank you.

dpb wrote:
Steve Turner wrote:
...
telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't support
that new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?
...

nntp protocol is line length 80 characters

Nice try, but I don't think so. Not according to this document at least:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977

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"Charlie Self" wrote in message
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Snip

Same with
doing a clean and jerk with a drill press head, after which you get to
move it around until the column and the hole in the head line up--
usually right after one of your fingers slips into the hole on the
head.

Fortunatley my son was on the motor end and I was on teh quill end. The
finger clipper was out of reach, in the middle.


Some of the newer packing set ups come close to being totally baffling
anyway. Jet's hybrid saw, for example, is a really nice tool. It comes
packed upside down, in tightfitting styrofoam inside tightfitting
cardboard (for those old enough, think Sammy Davis Jr.'s britches).
Once you unearth the manual, it tells you to save all packing
materials in case something is wrong. Uh, sure. After using a utility
knife to slice both cardboard and styrofoam, I'm going to store all
the cut up bits. Ryobi's hybrid comes packing inside a metal cage. The
saw has a granite top and weights, if memory serves, 452 pounds
without its cage.

I will say that the DP was well packed but not from the stand point of
having to "unpack".

Enjoy your new DP, Leon.

A heart felt, Thank you, Charlie !

"Leon" wrote in message
I will say that the DP was well packed but not from the stand point of
having to "unpack".

I've always wondered why most manufacturers don't include a little
additional engineering in their products ~ engineering in their packaging
I'm talking about. I remember buying a colour Xerox printer some five or six
years ago. The box with printer was over 80 lbs and far to bulky for me to
handle from my chair. But, it didn't matter in the least.

Once the box was placed where you wanted it, several clips were released at
the base of the box and you lifted the sides away. Removing the rest of the
heavily reinforced cardboard base involved raising each corner of the
printer a half inch or so and sliding that corner away. Since that time,
I've yet to come across any other packaging so well engineered and easy to
use. And even better, once the printer was fully unpackaged and ready to
use, I found the printer itself to be equally as well engineered when it
came to form and function. I don't impress very easily, but this packaging
did it with ease.

Of course, heavy iron is in a different category, but the situation is
similar.