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I was at my least favorite store today - the orange one. They have 10" TS
saw blades, and some say "thin kerf". But are they realy thin kerf, or is that just marketing hype? None of them list their actual thickness, so I am little skeptical about buying one unless I know that it really thin kerf. When I stack one against a regular blade, they seem pretty much the same to me. |
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"Perry Aynum" wrote in message news I was at my least favorite store today - the orange one. They have 10" TS saw blades, and some say "thin kerf". But are they realy thin kerf, or is that just marketing hype? None of them list their actual thickness, so I am little skeptical about buying one unless I know that it really thin kerf. When I stack one against a regular blade, they seem pretty much the same to me. IMHO Thin kerf is NOT a desirable feature. Typically a thin kerf blade is one that is narrower than 1/8" thick. Think kerf blades are inherently less stable than a regular kerf blades. The ONLY advantage to a thin kerf blade is that it requires less power to cut with. That is not necessarily a reason to buy thin kerf. I bought my last thin kerf blade over 20 years ago and it shall remain that way. |
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I have a Freud Diablo on my table saw. All these Diablo blades are painted red. It has a noticeably thinner kerf. I don't know if it would meet the standard that Leon needs, but I think there's been an improvement since the one he tried. Unless someone here can recommend a better blade in the same price range, I'll get one for the RAS next time it needs one (or next time I find an excuse to just get one). Some of them are pricey. I think I paid about $30 a few years ago. I use blade stabilizers on both machines. |
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"Perry Aynum" wrote in message news I was at my least favorite store today - the orange one. They have 10" TS saw blades, and some say "thin kerf". But are they realy thin kerf, or is that just marketing hype? None of them list their actual thickness, so I am little skeptical about buying one unless I know that it really thin kerf. When I stack one against a regular blade, they seem pretty much the same to me. A standard blade is 1/8" (usually), and a thin-kerf is 3/32" (usually). The latest issue of Fine Woodworking has a good article on thin-kerf blades, and they generally approve of them. They're good for lower-powered saws, and good for wasting less wood when you're doing multiple rips on the same piece of stock and, according to the writer of the article, they don't seem to have any bad habits. Tom Dacon |
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On Feb 16, 7:02*pm, "Perry Aynum" wrote:
I was at my least favorite store today - the orange one. *They have 10" TS saw blades, and some say "thin kerf". But are they realy thin kerf, or is that just marketing hype? *None of them list their actual thickness, so I am little skeptical about buying one unless I know that it really thin kerf. *When I stack one against a regular blade, they seem pretty much the same to me. I bought a couple to help out on the low-powered portable Ridgid saw. I since sold that saw but kept the blades which I have used on my Delta Hybrid. They work great as long as I use a set of stabilizers. BUT.... I like my Royce-Ayr 0.126 blades much better. |
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"Perry Aynum" wrote in message
news |I was at my least favorite store today - the orange one. They have 10" TS | saw blades, and some say "thin kerf". | | But are they realy thin kerf, or is that just marketing hype? None of them | list their actual thickness, so I am little skeptical about buying one | unless I know that it really thin kerf. When I stack one against a regular | blade, they seem pretty much the same to me. | If you were in the same brand of orange store I frequent when I'm desperate, they have many rulers and other measuring devices hanging on pegs near the saw blades. A "standard" blade has a kerf around 1/8" and you should be able to at least eyeball how much less any particular blade is than that. Norm |
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Tom Dacon wrote: The latest issue of Fine Woodworking has a good article on thin-kerf blades, and they generally approve of them. They're good for lower-powered saws, and good for wasting less wood when you're doing multiple rips on the same piece of stock and, according to the writer of the article, they don't seem to have any bad habits. Tom Dacon Fine Woodworking also said that the quality of cut depends on the general quality of brand. Thus, I would expect a Forrest blade would yield better results than those sold at the "orange" store. Given that, the thin-kerf blades are a good option for the huge population of us wood-butchers that haven't been able to afford expensive cabinet saws. Scritch |
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"scritch" wrote in message ... Fine Woodworking also said that the quality of cut depends on the general quality of brand. Thus, I would expect a Forrest blade would yield better results than those sold at the "orange" store. Given that, the thin-kerf blades are a good option for the huge population of us wood-butchers that haven't been able to afford expensive cabinet saws. Scritch Actually you do not need a cabinet saw to get better results from a regular kerf blade. I used thin kerf up until about 1988 on a 1 hp Craftsman TS. I was not very happy with the flatness of the cuts that I was getting and I was getting burn marks on some cuts. My local sharpening service suggested switching to a Systematic regular kerf combo blade. I was very skeptical but he promised that I would not be disappointed. I never looked back. I continued to use "that" regular kerf blade until I upgraded to a cabinet saw about 12 years later. With all this in mind and with any blade, proper saw set up is essential to good results. |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:11:05 -0600, Leon wrote:
"scritch" wrote in message ... Fine Woodworking also said that the quality of cut depends on the general quality of brand. Thus, I would expect a Forrest blade would yield better results than those sold at the "orange" store. Given that, the thin-kerf blades are a good option for the huge population of us wood-butchers that haven't been able to afford expensive cabinet saws. Scritch Actually you do not need a cabinet saw to get better results from a regular kerf blade. I used thin kerf up until about 1988 on a 1 hp Craftsman TS. I was not very happy with the flatness of the cuts that I was getting and I was getting burn marks on some cuts. My local sharpening service suggested switching to a Systematic regular kerf combo blade. I was very skeptical but he promised that I would not be disappointed. I never looked back. I continued to use "that" regular kerf blade until I upgraded to a cabinet saw about 12 years later. I recently put a Freud Fusion blade on my antique Delta saw. I was impressed. Crosscuts look like they've been polished and plywood cuts have no splintering. Haven't done any ripping yet, but if it turns out bad I'll post that info. Freud claims the Fusion blade is as good or better than the Forrest. So far, I haven't seen any evidence to disprove that claim. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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The latest issue of Fine Woodworking has a good article on thin-kerf blades, and they generally approve of them. Yes, that's why I started looking into them. I have an under-powered TS. |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:11:05 -0600, Leon wrote: I recently put a Freud Fusion blade on my antique Delta saw. I was impressed. Crosscuts look like they've been polished and plywood cuts have no splintering. Haven't done any ripping yet, but if it turns out bad I'll post that info. Freud claims the Fusion blade is as good or better than the Forrest. So far, I haven't seen any evidence to disprove that claim. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw My problem was not so much with a rough or unsmooth cut when using a thin kerf. The problem I had was mostly from the blade flexing and not making a "flat" cut. If your stock is not perfectly straight a board van cause a think kerf to not spin true when ripping. |
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"Norm Dresner" wrote in message ... "Perry Aynum" wrote in message news |I was at my least favorite store today - the orange one. They have 10" TS | saw blades, and some say "thin kerf". | | But are they realy thin kerf, or is that just marketing hype? None of them | list their actual thickness, so I am little skeptical about buying one | unless I know that it really thin kerf. When I stack one against a regular | blade, they seem pretty much the same to me. | If you were in the same brand of orange store I frequent when I'm desperate, they have many rulers and other measuring devices hanging on pegs near the saw blades. A "standard" blade has a kerf around 1/8" and you should be able to at least eyeball how much less any particular blade is than that. Norm According to the Fine Woodworking article referenced earlier, a typical kerf would be just a hair over 1/8" and a thin kerf could be about 7/64" |
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... "Norm Dresner" wrote in message ... "Perry Aynum" wrote in message news |I was at my least favorite store today - the orange one. They have 10" TS | saw blades, and some say "thin kerf". | | But are they realy thin kerf, or is that just marketing hype? None of them | list their actual thickness, so I am little skeptical about buying one | unless I know that it really thin kerf. When I stack one against a regular | blade, they seem pretty much the same to me. | If you were in the same brand of orange store I frequent when I'm desperate, they have many rulers and other measuring devices hanging on pegs near the saw blades. A "standard" blade has a kerf around 1/8" and you should be able to at least eyeball how much less any particular blade is than that. Norm According to the Fine Woodworking article referenced earlier, a typical kerf would be just a hair over 1/8" and a thin kerf could be about 7/64" I guess another big advantage to using a 1/8" kerf blade is during lay out planning. It is pretty easy to figure an additional 1/8" here and an additional 1/8" there when trying to determine if you can get so many pieces out of a piece of wood while ripping. The typical 3/32" kerf almost requires the use of a calculator. 7/64" here and there and here again would be a royal PIA. I mean what does 1.25" plus 1.25" plus 1.25", plus 1.25" plus 7/64" plus 7/64" plus 7/64" add up to? If the blade was 1/8" kerf the answer would be 5-3/8", yes that S4S 1 x 6 will work. Fortunately my software takes that all into consideration but if you only need to cut a few pieces from a single board out of a stack of various width boards, let me stick with 1/8" |
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I have an old delta contractor's saw. I have a WWII 0.125" kerf blade.
The cut has a lot of burning and drag when used on thick lumber (which of course includes bevel cuts on 3/4" stock). I bought a freud thin kerf 24 tooth rip blade specifically for ripping. Maybe the cut of the Freud isn't polished smooth, but it flies thru the wood with zero burning. Being lazy, I frequently use the rip blade for cross cutting when a small amount of tear out is tolerable. I only use the WWII for plywood and 3/4" stock or thinner. If I had to do it over, I'd try the WWII thin kerf with 30 teeth. |
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I have a nice set as well. Lets look at the design
For a given motor system (saw) a given blade if rigid will provide back pressure (resistance) in the process of cutting. The motor is turning the face of the cutter as hard as it can. If the same motor has 1/2 the area to cut, the cut will be clean and better than the wider blade. It is like driving a small diameter sharp nail into a board. Then take a nail of 2x diameter and drive it. The larger one will likely chip and compress. The small one shears. Martin Larry Blanchard wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:11:05 -0600, Leon wrote: "scritch" wrote in message ... Fine Woodworking also said that the quality of cut depends on the general quality of brand. Thus, I would expect a Forrest blade would yield better results than those sold at the "orange" store. Given that, the thin-kerf blades are a good option for the huge population of us wood-butchers that haven't been able to afford expensive cabinet saws. Scritch Actually you do not need a cabinet saw to get better results from a regular kerf blade. I used thin kerf up until about 1988 on a 1 hp Craftsman TS. I was not very happy with the flatness of the cuts that I was getting and I was getting burn marks on some cuts. My local sharpening service suggested switching to a Systematic regular kerf combo blade. I was very skeptical but he promised that I would not be disappointed. I never looked back. I continued to use "that" regular kerf blade until I upgraded to a cabinet saw about 12 years later. I recently put a Freud Fusion blade on my antique Delta saw. I was impressed. Crosscuts look like they've been polished and plywood cuts have no splintering. Haven't done any ripping yet, but if it turns out bad I'll post that info. Freud claims the Fusion blade is as good or better than the Forrest. So far, I haven't seen any evidence to disprove that claim. |
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I had the same exerience when I had a craftsmen, and found getting rid of the stabalizers and going with a better blade, also a systematic cured a lot of problems especially after a tune up. If the blade isn't perfect the stabilizers when torqued down may make it worse. Mike M On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:11:05 -0600, "Leon" wrote: "scritch" wrote in message ... Fine Woodworking also said that the quality of cut depends on the general quality of brand. Thus, I would expect a Forrest blade would yield better results than those sold at the "orange" store. Given that, the thin-kerf blades are a good option for the huge population of us wood-butchers that haven't been able to afford expensive cabinet saws. Scritch Actually you do not need a cabinet saw to get better results from a regular kerf blade. I used thin kerf up until about 1988 on a 1 hp Craftsman TS. I was not very happy with the flatness of the cuts that I was getting and I was getting burn marks on some cuts. My local sharpening service suggested switching to a Systematic regular kerf combo blade. I was very skeptical but he promised that I would not be disappointed. I never looked back. I continued to use "that" regular kerf blade until I upgraded to a cabinet saw about 12 years later. With all this in mind and with any blade, proper saw set up is essential to good results. |
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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... I have a nice set as well. Lets look at the design For a given motor system (saw) a given blade if rigid will provide back pressure (resistance) in the process of cutting. The motor is turning the face of the cutter as hard as it can. If the same motor has 1/2 the area to cut, the cut will be clean and better than the wider blade. Consider however that both will make the same amount of contact with the remaining wood, given both are of the same grind, sharpness and tooth count. The wider kerf blade may infact compress 1/3 more material however that will be only on the waste material. The solution is simply to push slower with the wider kerf blade. That will effectively make the blade, any blade, cut as though it had more teeth and naturally produce a smoother cut. |
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"MB" wrote in message ... I have an old delta contractor's saw. I have a WWII 0.125" kerf blade. The cut has a lot of burning and drag when used on thick lumber (which of course includes bevel cuts on 3/4" stock). I bought a freud thin kerf 24 tooth rip blade specifically for ripping. Maybe the cut of the Freud isn't polished smooth, but it flies thru the wood with zero burning. Being lazy, I frequently use the rip blade for cross cutting when a small amount of tear out is tolerable. I only use the WWII for plywood and 3/4" stock or thinner. If I had to do it over, I'd try the WWII thin kerf with 30 teeth. Which particular WWII were you using, the 30 or 40 tooth count blade. The 30 count is recommended for cuts in stock 2" or thicker. |
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"Dave Balderstone" wrote in message news:170220092241355228%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderst one.ca... In article , Leon wrote: "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... I have a nice set as well. Lets look at the design For a given motor system (saw) a given blade if rigid will provide back pressure (resistance) in the process of cutting. The motor is turning the face of the cutter as hard as it can. If the same motor has 1/2 the area to cut, the cut will be clean and better than the wider blade. Consider however that both will make the same amount of contact with the remaining wood, given both are of the same grind, sharpness and tooth count. The wider kerf blade may infact compress 1/3 more material however that will be only on the waste material. The solution is simply to push slower with the wider kerf blade. That will effectively make the blade, any blade, cut as though it had more teeth and naturally produce a smoother cut. But can cause increased burning in some wood. That is true. |
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On my delta contract saw with forest blade, besides adding link belt I
wired it for 220 and made all the difference in the world ripping think hardwood. No more blown circuits etc. |
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"henry" wrote in message ... On my delta contract saw with forest blade, besides adding link belt I wired it for 220 and made all the difference in the world ripping think hardwood. No more blown circuits etc. My 12+ year old JET contractor began popping the reset button on the motor even when cutting plywood, much more so ripping 2Xs. After 12 years of running it on 115v I finally wired it for 240v. It hasn't tripped since. Additionally, I put the 24t thin-kerf rip blade back (vs. the Jesada 50t General) on (sans stabilizers) just to rip a bunch of 2X.. The lack of stabilizers was noticeable in the cut quality. Dave in Houston |
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There is an article on thin kerf at
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/tec...lade_index.htm Tom On Feb 16, 4:02*pm, "Perry Aynum" wrote: I was at my least favorite store today - the orange one. *They have 10" TS saw blades, and some say "thin kerf". But are they realy thin kerf, or is that just marketing hype? *None of them list their actual thickness, so I am little skeptical about buying one unless I know that it really thin kerf. *When I stack one against a regular blade, they seem pretty much the same to me. |
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"Dave in Houston" wrote in message ... "henry" wrote in message ... On my delta contract saw with forest blade, besides adding link belt I wired it for 220 and made all the difference in the world ripping think hardwood. No more blown circuits etc. My 12+ year old JET contractor began popping the reset button on the motor even when cutting plywood, much more so ripping 2Xs. After 12 years of running it on 115v I finally wired it for 240v. It hasn't tripped since. Additionally, I put the 24t thin-kerf rip blade back (vs. the Jesada 50t General) on (sans stabilizers) just to rip a bunch of 2X.. The lack of stabilizers was noticeable in the cut quality. Dave in Houston Could it be that the windings that were used at 120V were damaged from 12 years of use and the windings used ay 240V are still good? IMO, there is no doubt that then kerf blade uses less energy. Also, my experience is that a rip blade uses less energy than my WWII. I carelessly let sawdust plug the ventilation slots on my motor and while ripping the posts on a pencil post bed, damaged my motor. Maybe I will put it back to 120V to see if it makes a difference. I'm thinking about putting a 2hp motor I salvaged from a compressor that I had and see how it runs on my Delta CS. |
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"Lowell Holmes" wrote in message ... "Dave in Houston" wrote in message ... "henry" wrote in message ... On my delta contract saw with forest blade, besides adding link belt I wired it for 220 and made all the difference in the world ripping think hardwood. No more blown circuits etc. My 12+ year old JET contractor began popping the reset button on the motor even when cutting plywood, much more so ripping 2Xs. After 12 years of running it on 115v I finally wired it for 240v. It hasn't tripped since. Additionally, I put the 24t thin-kerf rip blade back (vs. the Jesada 50t General) on (sans stabilizers) just to rip a bunch of 2X.. The lack of stabilizers was noticeable in the cut quality. Dave in Houston Could it be that the windings that were used at 120V were damaged from 12 years of use and the windings used ay 240V are still good? IMO, there is no doubt that then kerf blade uses less energy. Also, my experience is that a rip blade uses less energy than my WWII. I carelessly let sawdust plug the ventilation slots on my motor and while ripping the posts on a pencil post bed, damaged my motor. Maybe I will put it back to 120V to see if it makes a difference. I'm thinking about putting a 2hp motor I salvaged from a compressor that I had and see how it runs on my Delta CS. I hope not. I took the motor to a small electric motor shop here in northwest Houston to have him go through it. Dave in Houston |
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Martin H. Eastburn wrote: I have a nice set as well. Lets look at the design For a given motor system (saw) a given blade if rigid will provide back pressure (resistance) in the process of cutting. Resistance will vary with design and sharpness of blade. The motor is turning the face of the cutter as hard as it can. Not necessarily, this doesn't happen unless feed rate is high enough to bog down the saw. If the same motor has 1/2 the area to cut, the cut will be clean and better than the wider blade. Why is that? What is the reasoning behind this assertion? It is like driving a small diameter sharp nail into a board. Then take a nail of 2x diameter and drive it. The larger one will likely chip and compress. The small one shears. OK then, how about a 2" long 18 gauge brad compared to a 2" long 15 gauge finish nail? If driven with a hammer, which is more likely to go straight into the wood? Martin All that aside, my own experience with a 1.5hp contractor saw (Delta) is better cuts with a regular than a thin kerf blade. However, for me, the biggest attaction of a regular kerf blade is simply that the cut is 1/8" wide instead of 3/32 or some metric or arbitrary fraction as some I've seen. -- There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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cleaned the bearings and got the sawdust out of the fan.
might have changed the bearings from open to closed just so you don't come back with a new problem. The 120 winding is two windings in parallel. In 220, the windings are in series. Martin Dave in Houston wrote: "Lowell Holmes" wrote in message ... "Dave in Houston" wrote in message ... "henry" wrote in message ... On my delta contract saw with forest blade, besides adding link belt I wired it for 220 and made all the difference in the world ripping think hardwood. No more blown circuits etc. My 12+ year old JET contractor began popping the reset button on the motor even when cutting plywood, much more so ripping 2Xs. After 12 years of running it on 115v I finally wired it for 240v. It hasn't tripped since. Additionally, I put the 24t thin-kerf rip blade back (vs. the Jesada 50t General) on (sans stabilizers) just to rip a bunch of 2X.. The lack of stabilizers was noticeable in the cut quality. Dave in Houston Could it be that the windings that were used at 120V were damaged from 12 years of use and the windings used ay 240V are still good? IMO, there is no doubt that then kerf blade uses less energy. Also, my experience is that a rip blade uses less energy than my WWII. I carelessly let sawdust plug the ventilation slots on my motor and while ripping the posts on a pencil post bed, damaged my motor. Maybe I will put it back to 120V to see if it makes a difference. I'm thinking about putting a 2hp motor I salvaged from a compressor that I had and see how it runs on my Delta CS. I hope not. I took the motor to a small electric motor shop here in northwest Houston to have him go through it. Dave in Houston |
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Leon wrote:
I guess another big advantage to using a 1/8" kerf blade is during lay out planning. It is pretty easy to figure an additional 1/8" here and an additional 1/8" there when trying to determine if you can get so many pieces out of a piece of wood while ripping. The typical 3/32" kerf almost requires the use of a calculator. 7/64" here and there and here again would be a royal PIA. I mean what does 1.25" plus 1.25" plus 1.25", plus 1.25" plus 7/64" plus 7/64" plus 7/64" add up to? If the blade was 1/8" kerf the answer would be 5-3/8", yes that S4S 1 x 6 will work. Fortunately my software takes that all into consideration but if you only need to cut a few pieces from a single board out of a stack of various width boards, let me stick with 1/8" If you went metric it would do away with those problems and you could go back to simple mental arithmetic what ever the kerf width. ;-) -- replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me Pics at http://www.meekings.net/diving/index.shtml and http://www.meekings.net/photo-groups/nui/index.shtml |
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Jerome Meekings wrote:
Leon wrote: I guess another big advantage to using a 1/8" kerf blade is during lay out planning. It is pretty easy to figure an additional 1/8" here and an additional 1/8" there when trying to determine if you can get so many pieces out of a piece of wood while ripping. The typical 3/32" kerf almost requires the use of a calculator. 7/64" here and there and here again would be a royal PIA. I mean what does 1.25" plus 1.25" plus 1.25", plus 1.25" plus 7/64" plus 7/64" plus 7/64" add up to? If the blade was 1/8" kerf the answer would be 5-3/8", yes that S4S 1 x 6 will work. Fortunately my software takes that all into consideration but if you only need to cut a few pieces from a single board out of a stack of various width boards, let me stick with 1/8" If you went metric it would do away with those problems and you could go back to simple mental arithmetic what ever the kerf width. ;-) Yeah, making it 3.175 millimeters is going to be a BIG help. |
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"Jerome Meekings" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: I guess another big advantage to using a 1/8" kerf blade is during lay out planning. It is pretty easy to figure an additional 1/8" here and an additional 1/8" there when trying to determine if you can get so many pieces out of a piece of wood while ripping. The typical 3/32" kerf almost requires the use of a calculator. 7/64" here and there and here again would be a royal PIA. I mean what does 1.25" plus 1.25" plus 1.25", plus 1.25" plus 7/64" plus 7/64" plus 7/64" add up to? If the blade was 1/8" kerf the answer would be 5-3/8", yes that S4S 1 x 6 will work. Fortunately my software takes that all into consideration but if you only need to cut a few pieces from a single board out of a stack of various width boards, let me stick with 1/8" If you went metric it would do away with those problems and you could go back to simple mental arithmetic what ever the kerf width. ;-) How would 5.556 mm be easier to do in your head? ;~) |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... How would 5.556 mm be easier to do in your head? ;~) Isn't that .223 [cal.]? Dave in Houston |
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Thin-Kerf Blades
On Feb 17, 11:42*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"MB" wrote in message ... I have an old delta contractor's saw. I have a WWII 0.125" kerf blade. The cut has a lot of burning and drag when used on thick lumber (which of course includes bevel cuts on 3/4" stock). I bought a freud thin kerf 24 tooth rip blade specifically for ripping. Maybe the cut *of the Freud isn't polished smooth, but it flies thru the wood with zero burning. Being lazy, I frequently use the rip blade for cross cutting when a small amount of tear out is tolerable. I only use the WWII for plywood and 3/4" stock or thinner. If I had to do it over, I'd try the WWII thin kerf with 30 teeth. Which particular WWII were you using, the 30 or 40 tooth count blade. *The 30 count is recommended for cuts in stock 2" or thicker. I have the 40 tooth WWII. It was definitely a mistake. I am utterly amazed at how much faster the thin kerf 24T freud blade cuts with zero burn. It might be my imagination, but I think the easier cutting contributes to a straighter cut. If you have to use more force, the whole blade/wood geometry gets strained which can cause a bad cut. I've noticed this doing a miter cut on wood hand held to the miter gauge (as opposed to clamped to a sled). Mitch |
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"MB" wrote in message ... On Feb 17, 11:42 pm, "Leon" wrote: "MB" wrote in message I have the 40 tooth WWII. It was definitely a mistake. I am utterly amazed at how much faster the thin kerf 24T freud blade cuts with zero burn. After 30 years of doing this seriousely, I'll keep my 40 thooth for 99% of my cuts. It might be my imagination, but I think the easier cutting contributes to a straighter cut. If you have to use more force, the whole blade/wood geometry gets strained which can cause a bad cut. I've noticed this doing a miter cut on wood hand held to the miter gauge (as opposed to clamped to a sled). For a typical cut the think kerf may in deed yield good results, probably not better than a regular kerf blade, all things being equal. Start making compound miter cuts through 2" thick stock and you will probably see the advantage of regular kerf vs. thin. |
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Thin-Kerf Blades
thin kerf blades help on an underpowered saw... use a blade stabiliser
with it... I use a forrest thin kerf wwii, and a forrest stabiliser - it's a superflat disc. do NOT use the stabiliser "cups" - they're awful shelly |
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and keep your carbide blade tips and sawblade clean
Philski wrote in message ... thin kerf blades help on an underpowered saw... use a blade stabiliser with it... I use a forrest thin kerf wwii, and a forrest stabiliser - it's a superflat disc. do NOT use the stabiliser "cups" - they're awful shelly |
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Thin-Kerf Blades
This is one of those "hot-button" things like religion and politics.
My heretical advice to anyone considering a thin-kerf (~3/32) blade is, "Go ahead and try it. If you like the results, ignore the nay-sayers and enjoy. If you don't, then stop using it. Simple as that!" I've never used anything but thin-kerf blades on my 3HP cabinet saw which I don't consider to be "underpowered" in the least. Have never used a blade stabilizer other than the standard issue arbor washer. On my well aligned saw with a jointed edge against the fence, I can make glue-line quality cuts all day. Don't see how a thicker blade can improve on that. Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA |
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