I own a tool manufacturing business (& my English is not great) and I sell
tools to make a living for my family. So I am commercial. "BUT" if you need
genuine help or advise on woodturning, my 30 yrs at the lathe may be of help
to you. I will try to answer any question if it is in my capability to do
so.

So to the child like minds that cant see past the (Spam) is that English?? I
am sorry, but it might help you to be more informed regarding what's
happening in tool design and product support to look and ask questions from
successful manufacturers like us. We wouldn't be in business 16yrs if we
weren't doing something right.

Ken Port

Tool Designer Woodcut tools.

www.woodcut-tools.com

I think your English has improved greatly! Tom

No matter what you say you are always a spammer because of what you have
done to people who thought you were friendly. like Gorgi remember him.
**** OFF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales"
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.woodturning
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:09 AM
Subject: Product help v's spam


I own a tool manufacturing business (& my English is not great) and I PINCH
OTHER PEOPLES DESIGNS to make a living for my family. So I am a commercial
THIEF.

So to the child like minds that cant see past the (Spam) is that
English??No It is poor Kiwi Ask questions from successful THIEVES like
ME.
We wouldn't be in business if we
weren't PINCHING OTHER PEOPLES DESIGNS.

Ken Port

Tool Designer THIEF Woodcut tools.

www.woodcut-SPAM.com

Concidering he is a KIWI or a South Seas POM
"tom" wrote in message
ups.com...
I think your English has improved greatly! Tom

Ken
I, for one, value your insights and your tools. Keep them coming. By the
way, for others who diagree, no problem, but could we keep it polite?
Thanks.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com

I will be polite when SPAMMER Ken admits that while acting as an agent for
Unijig He STOLE the design and started to sell his own, Ken the Spammer is
not trustworthy and as such does not deserve me to be polite to him.

Ken does not have an original thought he steals others.

"Darrell Feltmate" wrote in message
news:ZRC3f.19979$Io.13904@clgrps13...
Ken
I, for one, value your insights and your tools. Keep them coming. By the
way, for others who diagree, no problem, but could we keep it polite?
Thanks.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com

. wrote:
I will be polite when SPAMMER Ken admits that while acting as an agent for
Unijig He STOLE the design and started to sell his own, Ken the Spammer is
not trustworthy and as such does not deserve me to be polite to him.

Ken does not have an original thought he steals others.


But at least he signs his posts.


--
Derek Andrews, woodturner

http://www.seafoamwoodturning.com
http://chipshop.blogspot.com - a blog for my customers
http://www.seafoamwoodturning.com/TheToolrest/ - a blog for woodturners

Hello A.

Perhaps it would be best for you to be impolite directly to Port as this
forum is for and about woodturning. To air a personal problem between
you two is not appropriate for this ng and probably of little interest
to most. At worst it's divisive.

I assume you are interested in the craft since you posted to rcw, and
I'm sure all here would welcome informative input about woodturning from
you. Lighten up and join in, you'll live longer and happier.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter



http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

"." wrote:

I will be polite when SPAMMER Ken admits that while acting as an agent
for Unijig He STOLE the design and started to sell his own, Ken the
Spammer is not trustworthy and as such does not deserve me to be
polite to him.

How about the rest of us?

I will be polite when SPAMMER Ken admits that while acting as an agent
for Unijig He STOLE the design and started to sell his own, Ken the
Spammer is not trustworthy and as such does not deserve me to be
polite to him.

My mother always told me that if I didn't have something good to say, to
say nothing.

I'm saying to you: it would be good to say nothing. I don't think most
of us want to hear your personal gripes. And, if I'm not mistaken, this
is not the first time you have unleashed a tirade against this person.

As the kids say: Get a life!

Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales wrote:
I own a tool manufacturing business (& my English is not great) and I sell
tools to make a living for my family. So I am commercial. "BUT" if you need
genuine help or advise on woodturning, my 30 yrs at the lathe may be of help
to you. I will try to answer any question if it is in my capability to do
so.

So to the child like minds that cant see past the (Spam) is that English?? I
am sorry, but it might help you to be more informed regarding what's
happening in tool design and product support to look and ask questions from
successful manufacturers like us. We wouldn't be in business 16yrs if we
weren't doing something right.

Ken Port

Ken,

Funny, your English has never been a problem before. I thought that was
standard fare down in NZ. You do speak it kinda funny though. g
Course, you might say the same about me! So if not English, what is
your native tongue?

The charter of this group specifically allows on-topic commercial posts
bi-weekly (every other week anyway- I think that's what we call
bi-weekly. I always get it mixed up with twice a week.) Anyway, that
was specifically done so that the r.c.w denizens could keep abreast of
new tool developments and sources. You're more than welcome to post
polite adverts here, on that schedule. As long as they are w/in the
approved time frame and format (text - no photos) then I'll defend your
right to do so.

I have to take exception however to the unprovoked slam on folks here,
accusing them of having 'child like minds'. Obviously you don't mean
all of us, but to come out swinging like that just smacks of flame bait.

If a vendor, whether on the internet or in person, has an attitude, I
walk. Life's too short and there's always other options. If one wants
my business it takes more than a good product. I expect to be treated
with respect, and I expect to see others treated with respect. It's up
to you how you want to present yourself, but you'll catch more bees with
honey than vinegar.

There's plenty of folks here that need genuine help (or they wouldn't be
posting!) so feel free to chime in anytime with answers. The more you
participate in a non-commercial manner, the less likely folks will take
offense at your commercial posts. Some you'll never win over. That's
life. Others may become loyal customers. I think of many of the folks
that have been posting here over the years as "good friends that I've
never met". Most people will probably fall into that group, and you
know, that's not a bad thing at all...

....Kevin

I am being polite to the rest, not to warn you of a person who can not be
trusted is being rude.
After all for Evil will trimph if good men do nothing. Put youself in
Gorgi's place he does all the development work "Gives" the New Zealand
distrabution to ken only to see a "FRIEND" steal the idea and produce it
himself.
As for the unsigned post it is unimportant for you to know who I am but I an
sure ken can work out which one of Gorgi's friends I am.
Gorgi' True Friend.


"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
news:55F3f.24188$wm3.18139@trnddc01...
"." wrote:

I will be polite when SPAMMER Ken admits that while acting as an agent
for Unijig He STOLE the design and started to sell his own, Ken the
Spammer is not trustworthy and as such does not deserve me to be
polite to him.

How about the rest of us?

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:44:36 -0800, Kevin Miller
wrote:

Ken,

The charter of this group specifically allows on-topic commercial posts
.......
There's plenty of folks here that need genuine help (or they wouldn't be
posting!) so feel free to chime in anytime with answers.

Ditto what Kevin said.

As for Punctuation-Boy...grow up and get over yourself. Life __is__
too short. I have a feeling you're working yourself into a lot of
spam filters yourself. Recognize this sound?

"plonk"




--
Chuck *#:^)
chaz3913(AT)yahoo(DOT)com
Anti-spam sig: please remove "NO SPAM" from e-mail address to reply.


September 11, 2001 - Never Forget

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Is there some reason you can't be helpful without also spamming?
They're not intricately linked, you know.

Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales wrote:
I own a tool manufacturing business (& my English is not great) and I sell
tools to make a living for my family. So I am commercial. "BUT" if you need
genuine help or advise on woodturning, my 30 yrs at the lathe may be of help
to you. I will try to answer any question if it is in my capability to do
so.

Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations because the
person will not state his name and address as he may come against court
litigation for the defamatory remarks. I have the right to communicate
through this forum without this sort of nonsense. Regarding the Unijig the
original idea belonged to Gerry Glaser from LA and my innovative
improvements now carry a valid USA Patent & a current NZ Patent application,
so who's stolen what?? Lets face it the best product always wins anyway.

Ken

"Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales" wrote in message
...
I own a tool manufacturing business (& my English is not great) and I sell
tools to make a living for my family. So I am commercial. "BUT" if you
need
genuine help or advise on woodturning, my 30 yrs at the lathe may be of
help
to you. I will try to answer any question if it is in my capability to do
so.

So to the child like minds that cant see past the (Spam) is that English??
I
am sorry, but it might help you to be more informed regarding what's
happening in tool design and product support to look and ask questions
from
successful manufacturers like us. We wouldn't be in business 16yrs if we
weren't doing something right.

Ken Port

Tool Designer Woodcut tools.

www.woodcut-tools.com

Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales wrote:
Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations because the
person will not state his name and address as he may come against court
litigation for the defamatory remarks. I have the right to communicate
through this forum without this sort of nonsense. Regarding the Unijig the
original idea belonged to Gerry Glaser from LA and my innovative
improvements now carry a valid USA Patent & a current NZ Patent application,
so who's stolen what?? Lets face it the best product always wins anyway.

I wondered about the patents after checking both sites and only seeing a
mention of them on your site. I did see an "A" name on the Unijig site,
but since the other poster won't give a name, or valid e-mail addy, it's
a bit hard to give him much credence. Saying that we have no "need to
know" who he is shows a level of moral cowardice that is insulting. If
he's telling the truth, he has nothing to fear in court, if he is lying,
he should slink off.

Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use: daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.patinatools.org

So you admit the facts?


"Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales" wrote in message
...
Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations

Dave, I am not lying, Ken has admitted the facts he has also seen Unijig 1
to 4, The patents were applied for here in AUS but the cost of doing so here
and the projected income from sales made it prohibitive.
Ken has enough information to deduce who I am so if he wants to bring a law
suite go ahead ken, if you can't quite work out who I am ask Gorgi who
defends him the most.

The reason I don't use my real name on USENET is once bitten twice shy,
there are many cooks out there who have used my details and it has cost me
dearly in $$$ and time to recover my identity
The Australian Patent was pending and if needed I can post the application
number which preceeds ken by many years and he knows this, ken is not to be
trusted.

The name in the Unijig site is not me, but if you contact the webmaster it
should find me.

"Dave in Fairfax" wrote in message
...
Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales wrote:
Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations


I wondered about the patents after checking both sites and only seeing a
mention of them on your site. I did see an "A" name on the Unijig site,
but since the other poster won't give a name, or valid e-mail addy, it's
a bit hard to give him much credence. Saying that we have no "need to
know" who he is shows a level of moral cowardice that is insulting. If
he's telling the truth, he has nothing to fear in court, if he is lying,
he should slink off.

Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use: daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.patinatools.org

"." wrote:
snip of one side of the arguement

About 2 years ago things started getting really nasty on the wRECk.
They started going to hell here about 1/2 a year ago. It's unfortunate.

Dave in Fairfax - heading back under the Porch
--
reply-to doesn't work
use: daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.patinatools.org

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:21:47 GMT, "." wrote:

So you admit the facts?


"Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales" wrote in message
...
Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations

hmm.. "Fact" is an interesting definition of "Accusation"...


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

"mac davis" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:21:47 GMT, "." wrote:

So you admit the facts?


"Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales" wrote in message
...
Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations

hmm.. "Fact" is an interesting definition of "Accusation"...


Truth is a very personal thing. Fact is the same for everyone.

Of course, some are extremely reluctant to accept even a fact....

"." wrote in message
...
I will be polite when SPAMMER Ken admits that while acting as an agent for
Unijig He STOLE the design and started to sell his own, Ken the Spammer is
not trustworthy and as such does not deserve me to be polite to him.

Ken does not have an original thought he steals others.


Why is it that the worst language and the stupidest thoughts
come from people posting under some signature that is
far from their own name?

_That's_ spamming.

Anonymous No Name posters who spread abuse should think _why_
they do not dare stand by their postings with a full name.

Bjarte

"Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales" wrote in message
...
Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations because
the
person will not state his name and address as he may come against court
litigation for the defamatory remarks. I have the right to communicate
through this forum without this sort of nonsense.

Let's face facts: Nobody have the right to post on Usenet "without this sort
of nonsense", because nobody has the right to stop the spreaders of
nonsense,
it seems.

Your consolation should be, that nobody takes very seriously a poster
who mainly serves abuse and bad language, and many people are already
quite happy with your products, like me.


Regarding the Unijig the
original idea belonged to Gerry Glaser from LA and my innovative
improvements now carry a valid USA Patent & a current NZ Patent
application,
so who's stolen what?? Lets face it the best product always wins anyway.

People working seriously toward a goal,
and people just ****ing in the wind are two different matters.

I would not bother to answer anonymous postings
from an obviously untrustworthy source.

Bjarte

"Bjarte Runderheim" wrote in message
...


I would not bother to answer anonymous postings
from an obviously untrustworthy source.

Bjarte

READ the following,



"Dave, I am not lying, Ken has admitted the facts he has also seen Unijig 1
to 4, The patents were applied for here in AUS but the cost of doing so here
and the projected income from sales made it prohibitive.
Ken has enough information to deduce who I am so if he wants to bring a law
suite go ahead ken, if you can't quite work out who I am ask Gorgi who
defends him the most.

The reason I don't use my real name on USENET is once bitten twice shy,
there are many cooks out there who have used my details and it has cost me
dearly in $$$ and time to recover my identity
The Australian Patent was pending and if needed I can post the application
number which preceeds ken by many years and he knows this, ken is not to be
trusted.

The name in the Unijig site is not me, but if you contact the webmaster it
should find me."

If Ken's Legal team wanted to find me I have given more than enough
information, Anyone who knows how to use usenet has at least two ways to
contact me directly, but Ken wont be looking for me because he knows that
what I have said IS THE TRUTH.

READ MY OTHER REPLY TO YOU
"Bjarte Runderheim" wrote in message
...

"." wrote in message
...
I will be polite when SPAMMER Ken admits that while acting as an agent for
Unijig He STOLE the design and started to sell his own, Ken the Spammer is
not trustworthy and as such does not deserve me to be polite to him.

Ken does not have an original thought he steals others.


Why is it that the worst language and the stupidest thoughts
come from people posting under some signature that is
far from their own name?

_That's_ spamming.

Anonymous No Name posters who spread abuse should think _why_
they do not dare stand by their postings with a full name.

Bjarte

The Australian Patent was pending and if needed I can post the application
number which preceeds ken by many years and he knows this,


I think we all have received your message, and I doubt that anything
else you have to say is going to sway anyone's opinion on the matter.
Perhaps then you could take the matter to court and fight over it there
rather than bitching about it on this newsgroup.

There is actually a lesson to be learnt here for any other inventors. If
you have a good idea but you cannot afford to properly patent it, and
defend it in court, then consider licensing the idea to someone who
does. It's a sad state of affairs I must admit, but it is how the world
works.

--
Derek Andrews, woodturner

http://www.seafoamwoodturning.com
http://chipshop.blogspot.com - a blog for my customers
http://www.seafoamwoodturning.com/TheToolrest/ - a blog for woodturners