My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Is there any problem with blowing air directly into the loft in this
way? Would it cool the upstairs rooms or make additional problems?

sPoNiX

"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...
My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Is there any problem with blowing air directly into the loft in this
way? Would it cool the upstairs rooms or make additional problems?

sPoNiX

The rule in our house when it's hot (as it is today) is to close all
curtains on the south side and open doors to allow any moving air to get
around.

It works.

Mary

"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...
My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Is there any problem with blowing air directly into the loft in this
way? Would it cool the upstairs rooms or make additional problems?

The hole into the loft space would allow warm moist air to enter in winter
creating condensation up there. Try doubling the insulation up there using
Rockwool, aim for 250-300mm in total. This prevents heat from entering the
rooms below from the baking hot loft. It also keeps heat in, in winter.
Then any heat gain in the upstairs rooms will be taken away via through flow
ventilation from the windows.

My loft has heavy insulation and the upstairs rooms are far cooler than the
neighbours as a result. last August the were uncomfortable at night, while
were just right.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:44:56 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

The rule in our house when it's hot (as it is today) is to close all
curtains on the south side and open doors to allow any moving air to get
around.

It works.

We already do that..we also have blackout blinds that we use to
prevent the sunlight getting in but it's still too hot. Fans simply
circulate the hot air in the room..what I recon we need is a through
draft.

I have just spotted these American things:
http://www.quietcoolfan.com/ look towards the bottom of the page and
they seem to vent directly into the loft!

Will there be any problems venting fans directly into a UK loft? I'm
thinking maybe one of those bathroom extractors in each bedroom to
suck the hot air into the loft.

sPoNiX

sPoNiX wrote:

My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Is there any problem with blowing air directly into the loft in this
way? Would it cool the upstairs rooms or make additional problems?

sPoNiX

First off you should insulate the upstairs ceilings better. This reduces
heat uptake from the roof space.

Secondly, yes, if you can find a source of cooler air, suck out the hot
and dump it wherever it will leak away - be careful though - if the roof
is already hot, pumping hot air into it isn't going to cool the room if
the insulation between roof and room is so much garbage.

better to arrange an exhaust pipe outside somewhere.

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:55:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

First off you should insulate the upstairs ceilings better. This reduces
heat uptake from the roof space.

I hadn't thought that some of the heat could be radiating through the
ceiling. I shall take some measurements and see if it's a problem

sPoNIX

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:55:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

First off you should insulate the upstairs ceilings better. This reduces
heat uptake from the roof space.

Hmmmm:http://jambalaya.bayswaterfarm.com/archives/000026.html

"a hefty dose of loft insulation will keep warmth in during summer as
well as winter"

"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:55:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

First off you should insulate the upstairs ceilings better. This reduces
heat uptake from the roof space.

Hmmmm:http://jambalaya.bayswaterfarm.com/archives/000026.html

"a hefty dose of loft insulation will keep warmth in during summer as
well as winter"

If you ventilate it will take the warmth out of the rooms in summer.

"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...
My house is very hot, especially upstairs.

That is, of course, why traditional houses in hot countries tend to be
single storey.

Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Put whopping great extractor fans downstairs, to suck the hot air out before
it has time to rise upstairs and insulate the loft well, so that heat does
not permeate down from the roof.

If you simply want personal comfort, rather than an overall lowering of the
temperature, fit ceiling fans above your bed and wherever you usually sit.

Colin Bignell

Mary Fisher wrote:
"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...

My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Is there any problem with blowing air directly into the loft in this
way? Would it cool the upstairs rooms or make additional problems?

sPoNiX


The rule in our house when it's hot (as it is today) is to close all
curtains on the south side and open doors to allow any moving air to get
around.

It works.

Mary



We find it effective to open doors/windows on the north side of the
house at ground level and the on south side of the house on upper
floors. Draughts then tend to flow through the house bringing in cooler
air and expelling the hotter stuff.

Nick Broks

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:52:50 GMT, sPoNiX wrote:

Fans simply circulate the hot air in the room.

Are these small high speed jobbies or a ceiling fan? Ceiling fans are
very effective at keeping rooms comfortable, they set up a a gentle
circulation through the entire room not just a little bit of it at
high speed.

what I recon we need is a through draft.

Well that will bring the warm air from outside in, modern houses have
very low thermal mass and are almost hermetically sealed. There is no
where for the heat from appliances or the occupants to go. This place
just about made 25C inside last August when it was in the low 30's
outside. Generally it hovers around 21/22C in the summer. Thats the
effect of thick solid stone walls that soak up lots of heat (and also
release it in the winter) what you mustn't do it let the place cool
down otherwise it takes several days to become comfortable again.

Will there be any problems venting fans directly into a UK loft?

Probably not during the warm spell but I'd be worried about
condensation either in the wee small hours or during the cooler
periods of the year. Far better to dump the warm (damp) air outside
and draw air in from low down on the north side.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:
"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...

My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Is there any problem with blowing air directly into the loft in this
way? Would it cool the upstairs rooms or make additional problems?

sPoNiX


The rule in our house when it's hot (as it is today) is to close all
curtains on the south side and open doors to allow any moving air to get
around.

It works.

Mary



We find it effective to open doors/windows on the north side of the
house at ground level and the on south side of the house on upper
floors. Draughts then tend to flow through the house bringing in cooler
air and expelling the hotter stuff.

Good idea, same principle though - ventilation. Free :-)

Mary

Nick Broks

In article om,
"Dave Liquorice" writes:
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:52:50 GMT, sPoNiX wrote:

Fans simply circulate the hot air in the room.

Are these small high speed jobbies or a ceiling fan? Ceiling fans are
very effective at keeping rooms comfortable, they set up a a gentle
circulation through the entire room not just a little bit of it at
high speed.

Ceiling fans raise the air temperature around you, but cool you. See...
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...net.uk.sun.com

--
Andrew Gabriel

"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...
My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Is there any problem with blowing air directly into the loft in this
way? Would it cool the upstairs rooms or make additional problems?


Don't put the air in the loft. It could be very humid given the current
high temperatures and cause condensation in the loft. Vent it directly
outside via the eaves using flexible or fixed pipeing as designed for these
fans anyway in bathroom applications.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:52:50 GMT, sPoNiX wrote:

Fans simply circulate the hot air in the room.

Are these small high speed jobbies or a ceiling fan? Ceiling fans are
very effective at keeping rooms comfortable, they set up a a gentle
circulation through the entire room not just a little bit of it at
high speed.

what I recon we need is a through draft.

Well that will bring the warm air from outside in, modern houses have
very low thermal mass and are almost hermetically sealed.

They are? Er, no they are not. 40% of heat loss in modern homes is via air
leaks.

There is no
where for the heat from appliances or the occupants to go. This place
just about made 25C inside last August when it was in the low 30's
outside. Generally it hovers around 21/22C in the summer. Thats the
effect of thick solid stone walls that soak up lots of heat (and also
release it in the winter)

An interpersonal sore in the walls?

what you mustn't do it let the place cool
down otherwise it takes several days
to become comfortable again.

In short the heat is stored in the walls. The heat that enters the walls
you paid for.

Will there be any problems venting fans directly into a UK loft?

Probably not during the warm spell but I'd be worried about
condensation either in the wee small hours or during the cooler
periods of the year. Far better to dump the warm (damp) air outside
and draw air in from low down on the north side.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:41:17 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I was thinking, could I fit small unducted extractor fans in the
upstairs ceilings such that they blow the heat directly into the loft?
Cooler air would then be drawn in via the windows making the room
cooler.

Is there any problem with blowing air directly into the loft in this
way? Would it cool the upstairs rooms or make additional problems?

Hi,

How about getting a box fan, something like:

http://www.ehs-intl.co.uk/eshop/products/Prem_I_Air_Air_Circulators_And_Drum_Fans.htm

and putting it in a window in another room blowing air out. Then open
the window in your bedroom etc and you will get a cool breeze coming
in.

If you can seal off the rest of the window with a blind or something
it will help. Alternatively a floor fan is quieter and would shift
more air but being round some air will escape back in.

cheers,
Pete.

(sPoNiX) wrote in message ...
My house is very hot, especially upstairs.

A perpetual problem, how to cool it. I wrote a pamphlet on this, there
are many ways, each of which can take anything from 1 to 10C off the
temp. Here's one explained briefly:


External air temp varies through the 24 hour cycle. The sun heats
things up, so the max outdoor temp is late afternoon, and the minimum
outdoor temp is at around dawn.

Houses have thermal mass, this means they have a tendency to even the
temperature variations out over the 24 hours. Therefore at night it is
usually colder outside than in, even in summer.

If a house is vented all night long, 2 things occur:
1. it is cooled
2. the thermal mass of the house is slowly cooled too, which keeps the
house at a lower temp during the following day.

How do you cool a house at night? By fitting locks to windows that
allow them to be locked in a slightly open position, enough to
ventilate but not enough to allow any means to gain entry. Simple
window security bolts can do this: fit an extra one to lock it ajar.
Venting is only really effective when you have a through path for the
breeze: only one window venting alone wont achieve that much.

Note that venting must occur for quite a long time to really be
effective. A house's thermal mass only changes temp very slowly.
Opening up for 10 minutes is not going to have much effect.


Regards, NT

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:41:17 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

Graham

"Graham Wilson" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:41:17 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:


I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

That was my thought about all the talk about fans - apart from the power
use.

Today has been so ennervating that I had to go for a lie-down this afternoon
but it happens on so few days a year that I don't think I could be bothered
buying a special unit to counteract it. It might happen when I'm not here so
it would be wsted. and who wants to be in a fridge anyway?

Just my thought, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.

Mary

Graham

"IMM" wrote in message
...

An interpersonal sore in the walls?

Pardon?

--
Andy

Graham Wilson wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:41:17 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

Graham

Whats the power consumption of this beastie?

Regards, NT

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:17:48 +0100, Graham Wilson
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:41:17 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

We got ours from Homebase a few years ago and is one of the ones with
a real external heat exchanger. I 'fitted' it in the (unused) middle
bedroom (of our 3 bed 1897 (end of) terraced house) with the heat
exchanger on the colder North facing wall.

It also can turn that one room into a fridge pretty quickly or make
the whole top floor very cold over a couple of hours (we did an
experiment with the upstairs doors left open and polythene across the
landing etc). So 'nice' infact you don't want to go back into the rest
of the house!

My next 'experiment' would be to knock a couple of holes through
between our bedroom and the middle bedroom (one high, one low and a
brick sized) with adjustable vents over the top with the thought that
the cold air will flow into our room while the hot air will go back
into the middle room to be cooled (this could be fan assisted if
needed). If it worked out then we might also extend it to the back
(box) room for our daughter but possibly using some rectangular
trunking under the ceiling over to above her bed as it's built up onto
the wall!

The unit is pretty quiet anyway and we were able to sleep easily when
we did the open door experiment.

We also have the large ceiling fans that that work pretty well and are
very quiet on 'slow'.

T i m

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:17:48 +0100, Graham Wilson
wrote:

I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

We have one but it only does one room. Also, it's a bit of a problem
knowing what to do with the duct.

sPoNiX

On 9 Jun 2004 00:45:31 -0700, (N. Thornton) wrote:

Graham Wilson wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:41:17 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

My house is very hot, especially upstairs. Even with the windows open
and a fan blowing it gets hot as the fans just blow the heat round and
round the room. What's needed is somewhere for the heat to go.

I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

Graham

Whats the power consumption of this beastie?

The one we have is around 1000w iirc. It's currently £179 in B&Q.

sPoNiX

(sPoNiX) wrote in message ...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:55:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

First off you should insulate the upstairs ceilings better. This reduces
heat uptake from the roof space.

Hmmmm:http://jambalaya.bayswaterfarm.com/archives/000026.html

"a hefty dose of loft insulation will keep warmth in during summer as
well as winter"

That's the problem with sweeping generalisations, without explanation
or consideration of individual factors.

See for yourself by measuring the temperature in your loft. If it's
hotter than the rooms below then the heat can only go one way - down.
Extra insulation will stop that. If the loft is cooler then more
insulation will keep the heat in the rooms. I suspect your loft will
be warmer and more insulation will be a good thing.

MBQ

"Andrew" wrote in message
om...
(sPoNiX) wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:55:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

First off you should insulate the upstairs ceilings better. This
reduces
heat uptake from the roof space.

Hmmmm:http://jambalaya.bayswaterfarm.com/archives/000026.html

"a hefty dose of loft insulation will keep warmth in during summer as
well as winter"

That's the problem with sweeping generalisations, without explanation
or consideration of individual factors.

See for yourself by measuring the temperature in your loft. If it's
hotter than the rooms below then the heat can only go one way - down.
Extra insulation will stop that. If the loft is cooler then more
insulation will keep the heat in the rooms. I suspect your loft will
be warmer and more insulation will be a good thing.

In the USA in some states it is common to have a large fan on the gable end
of the loft. This extracts all the hot air inside cooling the loft. They
also use it to extract heavy moisture laden air to prevent condensation.
Tests have proved that heavy insulation and a vapour barrier is best as the
running cost, not mention the installation cost, of the fan is not worth it.

In article , Huge wrote:
So common, in fact, that in some 27 years of regular visits to the US, I've
never seen one.

Google gives 16,400 hits on "attic fan"

As this is a d-i-y group:

http://www.easy2diy.com/cm/easy/diy_...ge_id=35693815

gives you instructions

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk
Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article , Huge wrote:

So common, in fact, that in some 27 years
of regular visits to the US, I've
never seen one.

Being in a boozy haze he would not see one. 27 years of visiting Mickey
Mouse each time. My oh my!

Google gives 16,400 hits on "attic fan"

As this is a d-i-y group:

http://www.easy2diy.com/cm/easy/diy_...ge_id=35693815

gives you instructions

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk
Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Graham Wilson" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:41:17 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:


I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

That was my thought about all the talk about fans - apart from the power
use.

I have a two unit portable air conditioner. I can sleep with it on, but
Barbara cannot. What I tend to do is use the air-con during the day to chill
the bedroom to about 15C and leave it off overnight. It makes a nice refuge
room during the day too, if I need to recover from excessive heat.

Colin Bignell

(sPoNiX) wrote in message ...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:17:48 +0100, Graham Wilson
wrote:

I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

We have one but it only does one room. Also, it's a bit of a problem
knowing what to do with the duct.

sPoNiX

If you feed the hot duct to the cooling side it'll cool it off, and
there'll be no more hot air to get rid of

Regards, NT

In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:
(sPoNiX) wrote in message ...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:17:48 +0100, Graham Wilson
wrote:

I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

We have one but it only does one room. Also, it's a bit of a problem
knowing what to do with the duct.

sPoNiX

If you feed the hot duct to the cooling side it'll cool it off, and
there'll be no more hot air to get rid of

.... if you ignore the laws of thermodynamics ;-)

--
Andrew Gabriel

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:29:12 +0100, "nightjar"
wrote:


I have a two unit portable air conditioner.

Two Unit?

Graham

On 9 Jun 2004 00:45:31 -0700, (N. Thornton) wrote:



Whats the power consumption of this beastie?

From memory, about 0.9kwh.

Haven't a clue how much a unit of electricity costs these days.

Graham

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:14:49 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:


The one we have is around 1000w iirc. It's currently £179 in B&Q.

B&Q were doing three units at the time.

There was a basic unit providing 8,000 BTUs and then two Amcor units
that provided 10,000 BTUs an 12,000 BTUs.

The basic 8,000 BTU unit had a fan only or air conditioning switch
arrangement along with a themostatic control.

It was under £200 but looked very cheap and flimsey.

The 12,000 BTU had digital controls and a remote control. The remote
control is useful because the unit is sitting on a shelf and the
controls are on top of the unit.

Graham

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:10:21 +0100, T i m wrote:


We got ours from Homebase a few years ago and is one of the ones with
a real external heat exchanger. I 'fitted' it in the (unused) middle
bedroom (of our 3 bed 1897 (end of) terraced house) with the heat
exchanger on the colder North facing wall.

How do you mean by external heat exchanger?

You say you fitted the exchanger on the north facing wall. Do you mean
you fitted through the wall?

Wickes used to do a Phillips air conditioning unit a few years ago
that was designed for a conservatory. The idea was that you made a
square hole through the wall of the conservatory about 18 inches wide
and about 12 inches high. The unit sat half inside and half outside.
It was bolted onto a frame to prevent someone from sliding it out and
entering the property through the hole.

Graham

On 9 Jun 2004 16:34:35 GMT, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:

If you feed the hot duct to the cooling side it'll cool it off, and
there'll be no more hot air to get rid of

... if you ignore the laws of thermodynamics ;-)

As a solicitor, I got around this problem by lodging a successful
appeal against the laws of thermodynamics.

(:-)

Graham

"Graham Wilson" wrote in message
...
On 9 Jun 2004 16:34:35 GMT, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:

If you feed the hot duct to the cooling side it'll cool it off, and
there'll be no more hot air to get rid of

... if you ignore the laws of thermodynamics ;-)

As a solicitor, I got around this problem by lodging a successful
appeal against the laws of thermodynamics.

(:-)

I'll remember that when I need a good solicitor.

If you were successful, that is ...

Mary

Graham

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:48:26 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Graham Wilson" wrote in message
.. .
On 9 Jun 2004 16:34:35 GMT, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

... if you ignore the laws of thermodynamics ;-)

As a solicitor, I got around this problem by lodging a successful
appeal against the laws of thermodynamics.

(:-)

I'll remember that when I need a good solicitor.

If you were successful, that is ...

I was successful. It wasn't my fault that they decided to breach the
order.

(:-)

Graham

On 9 Jun 2004 09:19:22 -0700, (N. Thornton) wrote:

(sPoNiX) wrote in message ...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:17:48 +0100, Graham Wilson
wrote:

I purchased a an air conditioning unit from B&Q. It is an Amcor 12,000
BTU unit with a tumble-dryer type pipe that you shove out of an open
door or window.

The unit was on and running today. It turned the room into a fridge.

Superb unit. About £300 though - so not cheap.

However, it is noisy. You couldn't sleep with it on.

We have one but it only does one room. Also, it's a bit of a problem
knowing what to do with the duct.

sPoNiX

If you feed the hot duct to the cooling side it'll cool it off, and
there'll be no more hot air to get rid of

Regards, NT



There's a much simpler solution. Leave the fridge door open....


..andy

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(Andrew Gabriel) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:

If you feed the hot duct to the cooling side it'll cool it off, and
there'll be no more hot air to get rid of

... if you ignore the laws of thermodynamics ;-)

If you do that too then you get a repeated-cycle cooling machine
capable of reaching absolute zero.

For my initial suggestion one need only not think at all. When you get
as sophisticated as being aware there are laws of thermodynamics
involved, and thinking up excuses to avoid them, then you can really
achieve stuff!

Regards, NT