You know as much about new battery technology and price as you know about lubrication oils.

They are now experts in new battery technology. What bright sparks we have here......

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Yup. I can't see the benefit of the added complication and weight of
hammer action on a cordless, given that most common bricks etc can be
drilled OK with a decent bit and no hammer action.

Not my experience with either modern London bricks, Surrey stocks or a
number of other types. Old victorian bricks, sometimes.

Regards
Capitol

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:46:33 GMT, "Mark" wrote:

Andy Hall am typed:

Using anything other then professional/industrial quality tools, and
anyone that does, must produce a lower quality job then you.

Depending on the type of tool and the application, that can certainly
be the case. There are certainly examples such as planes,

One of the few cheep tools, and partly the reason I defend them is the £10
Chinese no brand planner I have.
It not used that often and only out of my workshop for snagging bits, but
its lasted over 2 years and not flown apart and decapitated me yet, and the
funny thing is it's a carbon copy of the Makita 1923. With a £140 price
difference.

Hi,

I recently tried out a Challenge 'Xtreme' planer for the first time
after buying it 8 months previously and it was terrible, in that the
blades were well out of alignment and the method of adjusting them was
a nightmare. Also the front part of the base was some way out of
parallel with the back so no matter how the blades were adjusted it
would never give good results.

So I went back to Argos and got my £24 back, then bought a £31 Skil
planer from Machinemart and the difference was like night and day. OK
it was less powerful and with a much lower depth of cut but gave far
better results.

Though I'd agree that not everyone needs a planer to do a precise job
and that it can be the luck of the draw with tools at this price
range.

cheers,
Pete.

I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must be OK for
DIY.


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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:36:09 +0000, Doctor Evil
wrote:


Dave Plowman (News) Wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:-
But you can get 10 of those for one Makita, so they are more cost
effective. And in time Lith Iron or Lith Poly batteries would have
been
introduced. Better than being lumbered for 10 years with outdated
stuff
with old battery technology.-

Most decent quality drills today will work perfectly well with present
day
battery technology. What may, or may not, be wonderful for a mobile
phone
doesn't necessarily mean the same advances for power tools. There's
just
no point in making a cordless drill smaller or lighter than current
decent
ones - except possibly for specialist use. And you can be certain any
new
battery technology will be more expensive and have other
disadvantages.
Self discharge is one. Doesn't matter on a phone which will be charged
regularly. But a DIY cordless drill which was flat each time you wanted
it
would be a waste of time.



You know as much about new battery technology and price as you know
about lubrication oils.

Did your dad use them with his condoms by any chance?





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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:02:55 +0000, Pete C
wrote:


I recently tried out a Challenge 'Xtreme' planer for the first time
after buying it 8 months previously and it was terrible, in that the
blades were well out of alignment and the method of adjusting them was
a nightmare. Also the front part of the base was some way out of
parallel with the back so no matter how the blades were adjusted it
would never give good results.

So I went back to Argos and got my £24 back, then bought a £31 Skil
planer from Machinemart and the difference was like night and day. OK
it was less powerful and with a much lower depth of cut but gave far
better results.

Though I'd agree that not everyone needs a planer to do a precise job
and that it can be the luck of the draw with tools at this price
range.

cheers,
Pete.

I think that that is a very sensible choice for a tool of that type
and expected use. Planers of this type really aren't going to be
precision tools anyway.

Having less power and less depth of cut is a better way to work
anyway. If you try to take off 3mm or more, you're going to make a
mess anyway.




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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must be OK for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for soemone who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you could buy one
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:36:09 +0000, Doctor Evil
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Dave Plowman (News) Wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:-
But you can get 10 of those for one Makita, so they are more cost
effective. And in time Lith Iron or Lith Poly batteries would have
been
introduced. Better than being lumbered for 10 years with outdated
stuff
with old battery technology.-

Most decent quality drills today will work perfectly well with present
day
battery technology. What may, or may not, be wonderful for a mobile
phone
doesn't necessarily mean the same advances for power tools. There's
just
no point in making a cordless drill smaller or lighter than current
decent
ones - except possibly for specialist use. And you can be certain any
new
battery technology will be more expensive and have other
disadvantages.
Self discharge is one. Doesn't matter on a phone which will be charged
regularly. But a DIY cordless drill which was flat each time you wanted
it
would be a waste of time.

You know as much about new battery technology and price as you know
about lubrication oils.

Did your dad use them with his condoms by any chance?

Lithium batteries. You are a weirdo.



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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:02:55 +0000, Pete C
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I recently tried out a Challenge 'Xtreme' planer for the first time
after buying it 8 months previously and it was terrible, in that the
blades were well out of alignment and the method of adjusting them was
a nightmare. Also the front part of the base was some way out of
parallel with the back so no matter how the blades were adjusted it
would never give good results.

So I went back to Argos and got my £24 back, then bought a £31 Skil
planer from Machinemart and the difference was like night and day. OK
it was less powerful and with a much lower depth of cut but gave far
better results.

Though I'd agree that not everyone needs a planer to do a precise job
and that it can be the luck of the draw with tools at this price
range.

cheers,
Pete.

I think that that is a very sensible choice for a tool of that type
and expected use. Planers of this type really aren't going to be
precision tools anyway.

Having less power and less depth of cut is a better way to work
anyway. If you try to take off 3mm or more, you're going to make a
mess anyway.

I bought a planer from Screwfix for £10, as they gave me a deal, about 5
years ago. It is accurate enough and performed faultlessly. One of the
best £10s I have ever spent.



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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:36:09 +0000, Doctor Evil
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Dave Plowman (News) Wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:-
But you can get 10 of those for one Makita, so they are more cost
effective. And in time Lith Iron or Lith Poly batteries would have
been
introduced. Better than being lumbered for 10 years with outdated
stuff
with old battery technology.-

Most decent quality drills today will work perfectly well with present
day
battery technology. What may, or may not, be wonderful for a mobile
phone
doesn't necessarily mean the same advances for power tools. There's
just
no point in making a cordless drill smaller or lighter than current
decent
ones - except possibly for specialist use. And you can be certain any
new
battery technology will be more expensive and have other
disadvantages.
Self discharge is one. Doesn't matter on a phone which will be charged
regularly. But a DIY cordless drill which was flat each time you
wanted
it
would be a waste of time.

You know as much about new battery technology and price as you know
about lubrication oils.

Did your dad use them with his condoms by any chance?

Lithium batteries. You are a weirdo.


I think he was referring to lubrication oils. But there again.......

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"Kaiser" wrote in message
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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must be OK for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for soemone who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you could buy one
and let him know.


So why would I need one. I already have 2 x 240volt Bosch, 1 x 110volt
Bosch, and a 18volt cordless DeWalt SDS.

So it may be more appropriate for you to buy one and let us all know, as it
was you who suggested they must be OK.

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:36:09 +0000, Doctor Evil
wrote:


Dave Plowman (News) Wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:-
But you can get 10 of those for one Makita, so they are more cost
effective. And in time Lith Iron or Lith Poly batteries would have
been
introduced. Better than being lumbered for 10 years with outdated
stuff
with old battery technology.-

Most decent quality drills today will work perfectly well with
present
day
battery technology. What may, or may not, be wonderful for a mobile
phone
doesn't necessarily mean the same advances for power tools. There's
just
no point in making a cordless drill smaller or lighter than current
decent
ones - except possibly for specialist use. And you can be certain
any
new
battery technology will be more expensive and have other
disadvantages.
Self discharge is one. Doesn't matter on a phone which will be
charged
regularly. But a DIY cordless drill which was flat each time you
wanted
it
would be a waste of time.

You know as much about new battery technology and price as you know
about lubrication oils.

Did your dad use them with his condoms by any chance?

Lithium batteries? You are a weirdo.

I think he was referring to lubrication oils. But there again.......

......there again? Must have been batteries....


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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must be OK
for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for soemone
who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you could buy
one
and let him know.


So why would I need one. I already have 2 x 240volt Bosch, 1 x 110volt
Bosch, and a 18volt cordless DeWalt SDS.

So it may be more appropriate for you to buy one and let us all know, as
it
was you who suggested they must be OK.

Mr Cheese,

You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please oblige. I
merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can make up his
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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must be OK
for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for soemone
who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you could buy
one
and let him know.


So why would I need one. I already have 2 x 240volt Bosch, 1 x 110volt
Bosch, and a 18volt cordless DeWalt SDS.

So it may be more appropriate for you to buy one and let us all know, as
it
was you who suggested they must be OK.

Mr Cheese,

You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please oblige.
I
merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can make up his
own mind.

I'm surprised that you didn't recommend a Wickes SDS, or have you gone off
them?

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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"Kaiser" wrote in message
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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must be
OK
for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for soemone
who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you could
buy
one
and let him know.


So why would I need one. I already have 2 x 240volt Bosch, 1 x 110volt
Bosch, and a 18volt cordless DeWalt SDS.

So it may be more appropriate for you to buy one and let us all know,
as
it
was you who suggested they must be OK.

Mr Cheese,

You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please oblige.
I
merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can make up
his
own mind.

I'm surprised that you didn't recommend a Wickes SDS, or have you gone off
them?

Mr Cheese, the Wickes battery job is rather more than £50-60. He is a DIYer.



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There's no need. Just pick up anything else in any DIY store at the
same price point. THey are all basically the same.

Given that many of the tools in the sheds are sourced from the same
Chinese OEMs, they are often _exactly_ the same except for the label and
colour of the plastic. There is one half inch router that I have seen
badged at least half a dozen different ways...


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Andy Hall wrote:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:03:34 GMT, "Mark" wrote:

Using anything other then professional/industrial quality tools, and anyone
that does, must produce a lower quality job then you.


Depending on the type of tool and the application, that can certainly
be the case. There are certainly examples such as planes, biscuit
jointers, jig saws and so on where it absolutely is.

You can add routers to that list.

Jig saws are an odd category, since there are low and high end tools
(with such a vast gulf in performance difference between them that to
all intents they may as well be different tools altogether), and yet
there is no apparent middle ground...


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Doctor Evil wrote:

That is one of the best tests I have ever read. Very good indeed.

How about:

"In out and out performance, this out-Bosches the Bosch models. Torque
output is one of the best here and, while all tools in the group seemed
to have lasted ages on a single charge, this is undisputedly the best.
Possibly because of the NiMH batteries. Makita throw in two double ended
screwdriver bits, two batteries, and a fast charger. And there are two
gears, and 16 torque settings. Fantastic quality throughout – but at a
price."

Roughly translated: you get what you pay for...




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"Kaiser" wrote in message
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"Kaiser" wrote in message
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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must be
OK
for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for
soemone
who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you could
buy
one
and let him know.


So why would I need one. I already have 2 x 240volt Bosch, 1 x 110volt
Bosch, and a 18volt cordless DeWalt SDS.

So it may be more appropriate for you to buy one and let us all know,
as
it
was you who suggested they must be OK.

Mr Cheese,

You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please
oblige.
I
merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can make up
his
own mind.

I'm surprised that you didn't recommend a Wickes SDS, or have you gone
off
them?

Mr Cheese, the Wickes battery job is rather more than £50-60. He is a
DIYer.


Mrs Bull****, Wickes power tools are well suited to DIY, because they're no
good for Pro use.

In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
Maybe we should get him a hacksaw with lithium battery for
Christmas....... It could save a lot of problems for a lot of
people..... :-)


They are now experts in new battery technology. What bright sparks we
have here......

And by implication you are now an expert in battery technology as in
everything else - because you've read a manufacturer's website? Which, of
course, will be *absolutely* accurate?

I'll bet Sinclair loved you. Have you still got the C5?

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In article ,
Kaiser wrote:
I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must be OK for

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

But John does no actual DIY himself - just talks about it. Apart from
cutting plastic pipe with a hacksaw and ending up with a leak - for a
friend, of course. And this from one who claims to be a 'heating engineer'.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
I think that that is a very sensible choice for a tool of that type
and expected use. Planers of this type really aren't going to be
precision tools anyway.

They aren't, but how they are set up makes a vast difference. A poorly set
up one will go off true very quickly.

Having less power and less depth of cut is a better way to work
anyway. If you try to take off 3mm or more, you're going to make a
mess anyway.

Yup. I never use more than 1mm.

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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must
be
OK
for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for
soemone
who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you could
buy
one
and let him know.


So why would I need one. I already have 2 x 240volt Bosch, 1 x
110volt
Bosch, and a 18volt cordless DeWalt SDS.

So it may be more appropriate for you to buy one and let us all
know,
as
it
was you who suggested they must be OK.

Mr Cheese,

You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please
oblige.
I
merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can make
up
his
own mind.

I'm surprised that you didn't recommend a Wickes SDS, or have you gone
off
them?

Mr Cheese, the Wickes battery job is rather more than £50-60. He is a
DIYer.

Mrs Bull****, Wickes power tools are well suited to DIY, because they're
no
good for Pro use.

Wickes have a pro and DIY range. The pro range is very pro being made by
Kress. Many other pro makes rebadge Kress kit. Want to pay £180 for an 18V
battery dril, if price is your criteria, then Wickes have one. I can't see
many DIYers paying £180 for a drill, unless they are mad. Now you know Mt
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You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please oblige.
I merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can make
up his own mind.

Most people are capable of reading an Argos catalogue. What's needed is
someone who has used such a tool - and preferably who has also some
experience of others.

However, I've not felt the need for a cordless SDS drill for DIY. Andy has
given an example of someone who does, for pro use.

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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60. Must
be
OK
for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any
good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for
soemone
who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you
could
buy
one
and let him know.


So why would I need one. I already have 2 x 240volt Bosch, 1 x
110volt
Bosch, and a 18volt cordless DeWalt SDS.

So it may be more appropriate for you to buy one and let us all
know,
as
it
was you who suggested they must be OK.

Mr Cheese,

You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please
oblige.
I
merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can make
up
his
own mind.

I'm surprised that you didn't recommend a Wickes SDS, or have you gone
off
them?

Mr Cheese, the Wickes battery job is rather more than £50-60. He is a
DIYer.

Mrs Bull****, Wickes power tools are well suited to DIY, because they're
no
good for Pro use.

Wickes have a pro and DIY range. The pro range is very pro being made by
Kress. Many other pro makes rebadge Kress kit. Want to pay £180 for an
18V
battery dril, if price is your criteria, then Wickes have one. I can't
see
many DIYers paying £180 for a drill, unless they are mad. Now you know Mt
Cheese.


I have a Red Wickes 4.5" angle grinder supposedly made by Kress, or so I was
told when I purchased it. It is the biggest load of crap I've ever bought.
The Switch is stiff and often doesn't latch, you can't fit cutting discs on
it because the collars on the spindle have too much shoulder on them, and it
vibrates like nothing on earth. But it would probably be ideal for you.

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I think Argos sell a DIY battery SDS for around #50-60.
Must
be
OK
for
DIY.

Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any
good.

I don't need one as I have mains SDS. The suggestion was for
soemone
who
admired such a drill but thought it too expensive. Maybe you
could
buy
one
and let him know.


So why would I need one. I already have 2 x 240volt Bosch, 1 x
110volt
Bosch, and a 18volt cordless DeWalt SDS.

So it may be more appropriate for you to buy one and let us all
know,
as
it
was you who suggested they must be OK.

Mr Cheese,

You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please
oblige.
I
merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can
make
up
his
own mind.

I'm surprised that you didn't recommend a Wickes SDS, or have you
gone
off
them?

Mr Cheese, the Wickes battery job is rather more than £50-60. He is a
DIYer.

Mrs Bull****, Wickes power tools are well suited to DIY, because
they're
no
good for Pro use.

Wickes have a pro and DIY range. The pro range is very pro being made by
Kress. Many other pro makes rebadge Kress kit. Want to pay £180 for an
18V
battery dril, if price is your criteria, then Wickes have one. I can't
see
many DIYers paying £180 for a drill, unless they are mad. Now you know
Mt
Cheese.


I have a Red Wickes 4.5" angle grinder supposedly made by Kress, or so I
was
told when I purchased it. It is the biggest load of crap I've ever bought.
The Switch is stiff and often doesn't latch, you can't fit cutting discs
on
it because the collars on the spindle have too much shoulder on them, and
it
vibrates like nothing on earth. But it would probably be ideal for you.

The pro range is grey.



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And by implication you are now an expert in battery technology

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Why don't you buy one, then you can let us know if it's any good.

But John does no actual DIY himself

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I think that that is a very sensible choice for a tool of that type
and expected use. Planers of this type really aren't going to be
precision tools anyway.

They aren't, but how they are set up makes a vast difference. A poorly set
up one will go off true very quickly.

Having less power and less depth of cut is a better way to work
anyway. If you try to take off 3mm or more, you're going to make a
mess anyway.

Yup. I never use more than 1mm.

Are you sure you have ever planed wood? Now tell the truth.


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You are the one who thinks he needs a test beforehand, so please oblige.
I merely gave him a lead of a cheap battery SDS, on which he can make
up his own mind.

Most people are capable of reading an Argos catalogue.

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Tools from Lidle, now there is s novelty. I can see all the overall clad
men at the checks with their Lidle drills.

But I thought you bought purely on price?

I got a jump starter pack with built in tyre compressor from them last
week for 19.99. Half the price Argos were charging for the same make
before Xmas.

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Wickes have a pro and DIY range. The pro range is very pro being made by
Kress. Many other pro makes rebadge Kress kit. Want to pay £180 for an
18V
battery dril, if price is your criteria, then Wickes have one. I can't
see
many DIYers paying £180 for a drill, unless they are mad. Now you know Mt
Cheese.



Where is Mt Cheese, Himalayas?

I have a Red Wickes 4.5" angle grinder supposedly made by Kress, or so I
was
told when I purchased it. It is the biggest load of crap I've ever
bought.
The Switch is stiff and often doesn't latch, you can't fit cutting discs
on
it because the collars on the spindle have too much shoulder on them, and
it
vibrates like nothing on earth. But it would probably be ideal for you.

The pro range is grey.


They must have changed the colour as they were all red originally, so that
gullible people like you would buy them.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:41:57 +0000, John Rumm
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Andy Hall wrote:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:03:34 GMT, "Mark" wrote:

Using anything other then professional/industrial quality tools, and anyone
that does, must produce a lower quality job then you.


Depending on the type of tool and the application, that can certainly
be the case. There are certainly examples such as planes, biscuit
jointers, jig saws and so on where it absolutely is.

You can add routers to that list.

Yes, I'd forgotten those.

It seems that you have to go to about £160-170 for a reasonably good
1/2" one like the Freud. The £80-100 DIY store specials are either
underpowered, vibrate, or have poor mechanics and people end up
thinking that routing is no good as a technique or that they are
lacking in skill. Neither is really the case. Properly set up
and supported, a decent router does a good job.




Jig saws are an odd category, since there are low and high end tools
(with such a vast gulf in performance difference between them that to
all intents they may as well be different tools altogether), and yet
there is no apparent middle ground...

This was the strange one to me too. I can't think of any other power
tool where the divide is so great, but it is. For a long time I
dismissed jig saws as not worth bothering with.






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Are you also suggesting that cheaper (not cheapest) tools are incapable
of doing a decent job? If I put up a few shelves, is the result any
different if I use a £50 drill driver or a £200 one?

No - pretty well any drill will drill holes. Although not into hard
materials.

IMHO, the main difference is in speed control for screw driving. A decent
drill will have better torque and low speed control. It may also be more
comfortable to use and better balanced. I've seen some where the handle is
too big for the average hand.

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Tools from Lidle, now there is s novelty. I can see all the overall
clad
men at the checks with their Lidle drills.

But I thought you bought purely on price?

Price/performance my dear chappie.


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I have a Red Wickes 4.5" angle grinder supposedly made by Kress, or so
I
was
told when I purchased it. It is the biggest load of crap I've ever
bought.
The Switch is stiff and often doesn't latch, you can't fit cutting
discs
on
it because the collars on the spindle have too much shoulder on them,
and
it
vibrates like nothing on earth. But it would probably be ideal for you.

The pro range is grey.

They must have changed the colour as they were all red originally, so that
gullible people like you would buy them.

I don't believe you.


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Kaiser wrote:
I have a Red Wickes 4.5" angle grinder supposedly made by Kress, or so I
was told when I purchased it. It is the biggest load of crap I've ever
bought. The Switch is stiff and often doesn't latch, you can't fit
cutting discs on it because the collars on the spindle have too much
shoulder on them, and it vibrates like nothing on earth. But it would
probably be ideal for you.

I've got one of those too. The switch button mechanics do jam due to dirt
- but a quick squirt of cleaning spray sorts it. I've not had trouble
finding ordinary discs, but diamond ones don't fit - or at least the ones
I've tried. Wouldn't say it's rough, though. Mine is mainly used with
those cup brushes for removing paint from metal, etc. I'd say the switch
jamming would be a real pain when cutting stone etc and producing a lot of
dust. It was exceptional value for money when bought some 15 years ago.

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Andy Hall wrote:


There's no need. Just pick up anything else in any DIY store at the
same price point. THey are all basically the same.

Given that many of the tools in the sheds are sourced from the same
Chinese OEMs, they are often _exactly_ the same except for the label and
colour of the plastic. There is one half inch router that I have seen
badged at least half a dozen different ways...

I went to the Woodworking show at Alexandra Palace.

Once I'd battled through the north London traffic for nearly two
hours, I walked around the show for about three hours and looked
carefully at a range of tools on the different stands.

I looked for a while at the small number of stands selling tat. There
really is a lot of rubbish for sale.

Then I spent some time looking at what Ryobi had to offer. Slightly
better, but the same warning bells that many of the products are
embellished with useless "features" like misaligned laser guides.
Pretty but worthless. I thought that the drills and circular saw
were especially shoddy.

I don't belive this. You can pick up a Ryobi at most B&Qs now and they
certainly ouse quality in looks, feels and touch.



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