Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

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On 28 Apr 2021, Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace
app as a vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and
the things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which
was presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's
so special about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG.
And BT hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best
value? With at least as good a camera.

I like the Motorola phones; they come out quite high in the ratings of
value for money.

A heap of years ago when my Galaxy S3 got too old (only had 3G), I
bought a Moto G4 plus. Was happy with that, so when it started acting
up after another few years, I stayed with them (Moto G8 plus), and have
been happy with it. Both of the phones were good value -- the G8 plus
cost £180 last December.

Can't advise on the camera -- ISTR it was well reviewed and it's
absolutely fine for me, but I don't use it all that much (so I'm not
particularly fussy about side of things).

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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.


That's probably because some facility it uses is not on older phones. Or,
the older phone doesn't run the latest software. I've got this problem on
an iPhone which I've only had for a couple of years. Can't get TomTom
traffic on it.




I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 28/04/2021 16:44, HVS wrote:
On 28 Apr 2021, Dave Plowman (News) wrote

snipped

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best
value? With at least as good a camera.

I like the Motorola phones; they come out quite high in the ratings of
value for money.

Motorola E7 plus is good value at around £120. No compass though.

--
Cheers
Clive

On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

Had my second jab at the local vaccination centre last Friday. The guy
who filled out the credit-card sized record card said to take a
photograph of it and keep that handy together with an "official" photo
(passport page, driving licence, etc). to show it's really your vaccine
record.

My mobile phone is an ancient Huawei running Android 4.1. I'll change it
when the battery fails (it's around 8 years old). I dislike Android
intensely and in any case never use the phone for anything financial. I
think the new one will be the cheapest one I can get which can be rooted
safely (and it /still/ won't be used for anything financial).

--

Jeff

On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

The NHS app uses a system that was jointly developed by Google and
Apple. It needs a minimum of Android 6. Which version does your phone have?



I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.


You don't *need* a new phone. Staycationing is a great idea.

Having said that, I'm pleased with my Motorola.

On 28/04/2021 16:48, charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

That's probably because some facility it uses is not on older phones. Or,
the older phone doesn't run the latest software.

It's because the developer had the latest phone/software.

--
Max Demian

On 28/04/2021 17:10, GB wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

The NHS app uses a system that was jointly developed by Google and
Apple. It needs a minimum of Android 6. Which version does your phone have?



I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.


You don't *need* a new phone. Staycationing is a great idea.

Having said that, I'm pleased with my Motorola.

I am neither pleased nor upset with my galaxy A10 It was simply the
cheapest POS that would do wifi calling on PAYG.

--
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private property.

Karl Marx

On 28/04/2021 17:10, GB wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

The NHS app uses a system that was jointly developed by Google and
Apple. It needs a minimum of Android 6. Which version does your phone have?


Google suggests that you can update Android way beyond v6, using
unofficial updates. Might be worth a look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LineageOS





I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.


You don't *need* a new phone. Staycationing is a great idea.

Having said that, I'm pleased with my Motorola.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:08:35 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And
BT hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value?
With at least as good a camera.

Have a look at Motorola and Nokia phones. Cant speak for the cameras on
them but if you look for the models running Android One they will give at
least 2 years of OS upgrades and 3 years of security updates. HTH

GB wrote:
Google suggests that you can update Android way beyond v6, using
unofficial updates. Might be worth a look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LineageOS

The S4 goes up to Android 11:
https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/jfltexx
- it's one of the best supported phones.

Although I'd have a spare phone on hand in case something goes wrong so you
can still make calls.

Theo

On 28/04/2021 18:26, Theo wrote:
GB wrote:
Google suggests that you can update Android way beyond v6, using
unofficial updates. Might be worth a look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LineageOS

The S4 goes up to Android 11:
https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/jfltexx
- it's one of the best supported phones.

Although I'd have a spare phone on hand in case something goes wrong so you
can still make calls.

Theo


Exactly so. But, it's worth emphasising that that is not a Samsung
upgrade. I don't know what version Samsung upgrades went up to, but I
suspect that it was Android 4 or 5.

Most/many people just rely on the manufacturer's upgrades.

On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

It does not need a particularly recent phone (I think hardware wise all
it needs is Bluetooth Low Energy 4 or above), but does need Android 6 or
later. Most S4s were Android 5 (Lollipop)

Although Samsung don't have an update for this, there are ways of
installing it yourself:

https://www.nextpit.com/how-to-get-a...sung-galaxy-s4

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone,

There will no doubt be manual ways to achieve the result without a
smartphone, however path of least resistance and all that!

what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

Moto does ok for me, but there are other mid range good value options
out there these days. "Good camera" tends to be quite a broad definition
now - some phones take the camera aspect to the extreme.


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o.uk...
On 28/04/2021 16:48, charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

That's probably because some facility it uses is not on older phones. Or,
the older phone doesn't run the latest software.

It's because the developer had the latest phone/software.

Nope, he is right about how that happens. The feature needed is a bluetooth
feature.

On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

Can it not be any "smart" phone? Does the app require a working SIM card
or just a Bluetooth capability so you can continue with your chosen phone?

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1952085

Or buy second hand from likes of eBay. I paid £20 for a used LG phone.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 05:15:29 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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MID:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 18:35:24 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 18:26, Theo wrote:
GB wrote:
Google suggests that you can update Android way beyond v6, using
unofficial updates. Might be worth a look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LineageOS

The S4 goes up to Android 11:
https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/jfltexx
- it's one of the best supported phones.

Although I'd have a spare phone on hand in case something goes wrong so you
can still make calls.

Theo


Exactly so. But, it's worth emphasising that that is not a Samsung
upgrade. I don't know what version Samsung upgrades went up to, but I
suspect that it was Android 4 or 5.

Yes, my SGS4 is on 5.0.1

Most/many people just rely on the manufacturer's upgrades.

Whilst being reasonably technical and generally update the firmware /
BIOS's in most things, I've always been reluctant to jailbreak any of
my phones as they were generally not cheap and in often in regular
use. ;-)

My SGS2 is on Android version 4.0.4 and has a giffgaff PAYG SIM in it
as a backup phone.

My current phone, a SGS7 is on version 8.0.0

I wouldn't mind therefore trying to upgrade the SGS4 but looking at
the steps on Johns link it looks like there are a million things that
could go wrong and leave you with a brick? ;-(

I would be reassured if there were loads of people saying they had
followed the walkthrough and it worked first time (but there don't
seem to be). ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 28/04/2021 16:44, HVS wrote:
On 28 Apr 2021, Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace
app as a vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and
the things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which
was presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's
so special about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG.
And BT hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best
value? With at least as good a camera.

I like the Motorola phones; they come out quite high in the ratings of
value for money.

A heap of years ago when my Galaxy S3 got too old (only had 3G), I
bought a Moto G4 plus. Was happy with that, so when it started acting
up after another few years, I stayed with them (Moto G8 plus), and have
been happy with it. Both of the phones were good value -- the G8 plus
cost �180 last December.

Can't advise on the camera -- ISTR it was well reviewed and it's
absolutely fine for me, but I don't use it all that much (so I'm not
particularly fussy about side of things).

Me too for Motorola. I've had several, currently a G8. Don't use the
camera for anything serious though.

Fredxx wrote:

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1952085

4 years old model, when even the best phones only receive updates for 3
years (technically the EoL date for android 8.1 has been postponed due
to covid, it was supposed to be getting the bullet in two days time).

I'd buy at least an android 10 or 11 device, or you'll be buying again
in 18 months...

Max Demian wrote:

It's because the developer had the latest phone/software.

The NHS covid app requires bluetooth "low energy" (BLE) capability
introduced in android 6 (marshmallow) but not all phones had the
hardware for it.

Andy Burns wrote:

even the best phones only receive updates for 3 years
Android phones that is, I'm aware iThings get longer support, that
doesn't necessarily make them best ...

On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.


Google added some features to the Android OS to detect proximity of
other phones, so it could detect contacts. This was only added to newer
versions of Android.

BoJo's original app tried to bypass this, so he could have a central NHS
database, but we know what happened to that.

So Google not BoJo's fault..

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.


Look at the Samsung A series...

Dave

On 28/04/2021 23:53, David Wade wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.


Google added some features to the Android OS to detect proximity of
other phones, so it could detect contacts. This was only added to newer
versions of Android.

BoJo's original app tried to bypass this, so he could have a central NHS
database, but we know what happened to that.

So Google not BoJo's fault..

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.


Look at the Samsung A series...

Dave

Actually we are not likely to use the Track & Trace app. Its the NHS
booking an records app

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...line.nhsonline

but it still needs Android 5 to work.

Dave

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

It does not need a particularly recent phone (I think hardware wise all
it needs is Bluetooth Low Energy 4 or above), but does need Android 6 or
later. Most S4s were Android 5 (Lollipop)

Although Samsung don't have an update for this, there are ways of
installing it yourself:

https://www.nextpit.com/how-to-get-a...sung-galaxy-s4

That looks a bit above my paygrade. Does anyone offer this service? Have
Googled, but no help there. And looked on Ebay.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone,

There will no doubt be manual ways to achieve the result without a
smartphone, however path of least resistance and all that!

what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

Moto does ok for me, but there are other mid range good value options
out there these days. "Good camera" tends to be quite a broad definition
now - some phones take the camera aspect to the extreme.

The S4 has an excellent snapshot camera, which I use a great deal. Perhaps
the main reason I bought it in the first place.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:08:35 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.
Don't rule out buying a refurbished phone. I've just bought one for
the wife (she wanted the same one as mine, now an old model and only a
few new ones still around for £200+) for £75 and am well pleased. Not
a mark on it, battery holding charge well. Sold by 'thetechout' on
eBay. Samsung Galaxy A3 (2017)

On 29/04/2021 11:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

It does not need a particularly recent phone (I think hardware wise all
it needs is Bluetooth Low Energy 4 or above), but does need Android 6 or
later. Most S4s were Android 5 (Lollipop)

Although Samsung don't have an update for this, there are ways of
installing it yourself:

https://www.nextpit.com/how-to-get-a...sung-galaxy-s4

That looks a bit above my paygrade. Does anyone offer this service? Have
Googled, but no help there. And looked on Ebay.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone,

There will no doubt be manual ways to achieve the result without a
smartphone, however path of least resistance and all that!

what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

Moto does ok for me, but there are other mid range good value options
out there these days. "Good camera" tends to be quite a broad definition
now - some phones take the camera aspect to the extreme.

The S4 has an excellent snapshot camera, which I use a great deal. Perhaps
the main reason I bought it in the first place.

I would be tempted to wait. You're not going to be the only one in this
position, and your local phone shop may well become wise to the need and
the route to upgrading the system.

The important thing is to know there is a route to the upgrade and can
be done successfully.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:05:02 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

snip

Although Samsung don't have an update for this, there are ways of
installing it yourself:

https://www.nextpit.com/how-to-get-a...sung-galaxy-s4

That looks a bit above my paygrade.

Is that the right term? Shouldn't it be 'Outside my skillset' or
similar? I have followed such things before with success and might be
convinced to try doing so on my S4 (for you / me) to see 1) How easy
it is 2) what I get once it's done (I know I should get a good phone
running a more up-to-date OS but such things often come with a catch
where even a small one can be a dealbreaker) and 3), how likely it is
to completely brick the phone forever, or if it could be recovered
under all circumstances (even if it cost something (within reason)
etc)?

Does anyone offer this service?

I'm sure many 'corner' Phone Shops and phone geeks might, I'll ask
mine. You could also ask on uk.telecom.mobile as there may be such
near you (private person who would do it for a drink or shop).

snip

The S4 has an excellent snapshot camera, which I use a great deal.

Agreed, that said, I think the S7 camera is better but the S4 still
better than many at the time.

Perhaps
the main reason I bought it in the first place.

For me it was a pleasant surprise, over and above a good 'phone'. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 28/04/2021 17:10, GB wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

The NHS app uses a system that was jointly developed by Google and
Apple. It needs a minimum of Android 6. Which version does your phone have?



I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.


You don't *need* a new phone. Staycationing is a great idea.



+1.

You don't need a vaccine passport, just like you don't need an
internet connection. It helps, and definately makes modern life easier,
but it is not essential.

On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

Don't do anything too rash - I don't think its the NHS track and trace
app that they are talking about but a much older one - has been about
for some time and has been used to book some Drs appointments for a while.

This may have lower requirements than the track and trace app.

Ie this one

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...line.nhsonline


not this one

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...d19.production



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Tim Streater wrote:
On 29 Apr 2021 at 14:03:56 BST, Andrew
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 17:10, GB wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

The NHS app uses a system that was jointly developed by Google and
Apple. It needs a minimum of Android 6. Which version does your phone have?



I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

You don't *need* a new phone. Staycationing is a great idea.


+1.

You don't need a vaccine passport, just like you don't need an
internet connection. It helps, and definately makes modern life easier,
but it is not essential.

I still have my vaccine passport as issued by WHO 50 years ago, with my Yellow
Fever etc jabs duly noted in it.

Yes, why can't we have something like that? It would have to be
updated a bit to make it more difficult to forge/fake but otherwise
should be OK.

At the moment I still don't understand how one's "vaccine passport"
(on a phone, or a piece of paper, or whatever) is going to be
validated. The old yellow fever (and other) ones were officially
stamped at the time one was vaccinated but there seems to be no
similar system to 'prove' one has been Covid-19 vaccinated.

--
Chris Green
·

"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
Tim Streater wrote:
On 29 Apr 2021 at 14:03:56 BST, Andrew
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 17:10, GB wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app
as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and
the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so
special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

The NHS app uses a system that was jointly developed by Google and
Apple. It needs a minimum of Android 6. Which version does your phone
have?



I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG.
And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value?
With
at least as good a camera.

You don't *need* a new phone. Staycationing is a great idea.


+1.

You don't need a vaccine passport, just like you don't need an
internet connection. It helps, and definately makes modern life easier,
but it is not essential.

I still have my vaccine passport as issued by WHO 50 years ago, with my
Yellow
Fever etc jabs duly noted in it.

Yes, why can't we have something like that? It would have to be
updated a bit to make it more difficult to forge/fake but otherwise
should be OK.

At the moment I still don't understand how one's "vaccine passport"
(on a phone, or a piece of paper, or whatever) is going to be
validated.

Same way that electronic passports and drivers
licenses are, confirm with a central database.

The old yellow fever (and other) ones were officially stamped
at the time one was vaccinated but there seems to be no
similar system to 'prove' one has been Covid-19 vaccinated.

Thats what the electronic vaccine passport does.

On 29/04/2021 14:39, Tim Streater wrote:
On 29 Apr 2021 at 14:03:56 BST, Andrew
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 17:10, GB wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

The NHS app uses a system that was jointly developed by Google and
Apple. It needs a minimum of Android 6. Which version does your phone have?



I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

You don't *need* a new phone. Staycationing is a great idea.


+1.

You don't need a vaccine passport, just like you don't need an
internet connection. It helps, and definately makes modern life easier,
but it is not essential.

I still have my vaccine passport as issued by WHO 50 years ago, with my Yellow
Fever etc jabs duly noted in it.


I stuck my yellow fever certificate in the back of my passport, but it
expired after 10 year, from what I recollect.

%% wrote:


"Chris Green" wrote in message
You don't need a vaccine passport, just like you don't need an
internet connection. It helps, and definately makes modern life easier,
but it is not essential.

I still have my vaccine passport as issued by WHO 50 years ago, with my
Yellow
Fever etc jabs duly noted in it.

Yes, why can't we have something like that? It would have to be
updated a bit to make it more difficult to forge/fake but otherwise
should be OK.

At the moment I still don't understand how one's "vaccine passport"
(on a phone, or a piece of paper, or whatever) is going to be
validated.

Same way that electronic passports and drivers
licenses are, confirm with a central database.

Confirm *what* with a "central database"? The DVLA's purpose is to
know about my driving license and what's on it.

Is there a similar place where one can find out who has been
inoculated against what? I'm not totally convinced that the NHS is
capable of doing this, it's very difficult often to get records from
one hospital to another or from one's GP to hospital and vice versa.

Given that Covid-19 inoculations may be given by different
organisations will they really all be recorded in one, accessible,
place?


The old yellow fever (and other) ones were officially stamped
at the time one was vaccinated but there seems to be no
similar system to 'prove' one has been Covid-19 vaccinated.

Thats what the electronic vaccine passport does.

No one 'offically stamped' anything that I was aware of when I got my
Covid-19 inoculation. Maybe they did but the checking of identity
wasn't very rigorous, nothing like the requirements for a passport.


.... and how do you prove you are who you say you are from your mobile
phone?

--
Chris Green
·

Andrew wrote:
On 29/04/2021 14:39, Tim Streater wrote:
On 29 Apr 2021 at 14:03:56 BST, Andrew
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 17:10, GB wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

The NHS app uses a system that was jointly developed by Google and
Apple. It needs a minimum of Android 6. Which version does your phone have?



I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG. And BT
hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best value? With
at least as good a camera.

You don't *need* a new phone. Staycationing is a great idea.


+1.

You don't need a vaccine passport, just like you don't need an
internet connection. It helps, and definately makes modern life easier,
but it is not essential.

I still have my vaccine passport as issued by WHO 50 years ago, with my Yellow
Fever etc jabs duly noted in it.


I stuck my yellow fever certificate in the back of my passport, but it
expired after 10 year, from what I recollect.

Yellow Fever inoculations now last 'for ever' so it's valid past it's
expiry date.

--
Chris Green
·

"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
%% wrote:


"Chris Green" wrote in message
You don't need a vaccine passport, just like you don't need an
internet connection. It helps, and definately makes modern life
easier,
but it is not essential.

I still have my vaccine passport as issued by WHO 50 years ago, with
my
Yellow
Fever etc jabs duly noted in it.

Yes, why can't we have something like that? It would have to be
updated a bit to make it more difficult to forge/fake but otherwise
should be OK.

At the moment I still don't understand how one's "vaccine passport"
(on a phone, or a piece of paper, or whatever) is going to be
validated.

Same way that electronic passports and drivers
licenses are, confirm with a central database.

Confirm *what* with a "central database"?

That its a real passport and that the photo etc
has not been changed.

The DVLA's

I wasnt talking about UK DVLAs, digital driver's licenses in general.

purpose is to know about my driving license and what's on it.

Is there a similar place where one can find
out who has been inoculated against what?

In some countries, yep.

I'm not totally convinced that the NHS is capable of doing
this, it's very difficult often to get records from one hospital
to another or from one's GP to hospital and vice versa.

But easy enough to fix that with vaccination.

Given that Covid-19 inoculations may be given by different
organisations will they really all be recorded in one, accessible,
place?

No reason why that can't be done as with driver's licenses and passports.

The old yellow fever (and other) ones were officially stamped
at the time one was vaccinated but there seems to be no
similar system to 'prove' one has been Covid-19 vaccinated.

Thats what the electronic vaccine passport does.

No one 'offically stamped' anything that I was aware of when I got my
Covid-19 inoculation. Maybe they did but the checking of identity
wasn't very rigorous, nothing like the requirements for a passport.

Again, that can be changed.

... and how do you prove you are who you
say you are from your mobile phone?

Using your fingerprint or face id.

On 29/04/2021 14:39, Tim Streater wrote:
On 29 Apr 2021 at 14:03:56 BST, Andrew

You don't need a vaccine passport, just like you don't need an
internet connection. It helps, and definately makes modern life easier,
but it is not essential.

I still have my vaccine passport as issued by WHO 50 years ago, with my Yellow
Fever etc jabs duly noted in it.

Me too, in with all my old passports.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 00:55:05 +1000, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread again

00:55 in Australia??? And you are up and trolling ALREADY, yet AGAIN, you
subnormal trolling senile swine? Do you know absolutely NO shame AT ALL? But
then, which sociopath does know any shame!

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 86-year-old senile Australian
cretin's pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 02:09:00 +1000, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH more of the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent:
"You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates
his particular prowess at it every day."
MID:

%% wrote:

Given that Covid-19 inoculations may be given by different
organisations will they really all be recorded in one, accessible,
place?

No reason why that can't be done as with driver's licenses and passports.

No reason it *can't* be done, no, but *has* it been done?

The old yellow fever (and other) ones were officially stamped
at the time one was vaccinated but there seems to be no
similar system to 'prove' one has been Covid-19 vaccinated.

Thats what the electronic vaccine passport does.

No one 'offically stamped' anything that I was aware of when I got my
Covid-19 inoculation. Maybe they did but the checking of identity
wasn't very rigorous, nothing like the requirements for a passport.

Again, that can be changed.

Yes, but my question was how is this going to work *now* as everyone
seems to think is possible sort of instantly?


... and how do you prove you are who you
say you are from your mobile phone?

Using your fingerprint or face id.

That assumes that 'they' already know your fingerprint/face, not
necessarily true for quite a lot of people.

For Covid-19 'passports' the requirement is that there is a record of
your inoculation somewhere that is *already* identified by (according
to you) my face/fingerprint. I don't believe there are records like
this anywhere.

--
Chris Green
·

On 28/04/2021 22:12, newshound wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:44, HVS wrote:
On 28 Apr 2021, Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace
app as a vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and
the things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which
was presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's
so special about it that it needs the latest phones.

I use the mobile so little for outgoing calls I'm happy with PAYG.
And BT hotspot Wi-Fi access round London, for my parking app, etc.

If I do have to buy a new phone, what is going to be the best
value? With at least as good a camera.

I like the Motorola phones;Â* they come out quite high in the ratings of
value for money.

A heap of years ago when my Galaxy S3 got too old (only had 3G), I
bought a Moto G4 plus.Â* Was happy with that, so when it started acting
up after another few years, I stayed with them (Moto G8 plus), and have
been happy with it.Â* Both of the phones were good value -- the G8 plus
cost �180 last December.

Can't advise on the camera -- ISTR it was well reviewed and it's
absolutely fine for me, but I don't use it all that much (so I'm not
particularly fussy about side of things).

Me too for Motorola. I've had several, currently a G8. Don't use the
camera for anything serious though.

You need a reasonably good camera - with autofocus - to read the QR
codes that these apps use for various things.

--
Max Demian