https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/


Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO


Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like
normal?

Government: NO


Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.


Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“ right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.


Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the experimental stage.


Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO


Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?

Government: NO


Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.


Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO


Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?

Government: NO


Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated from
the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero liability regarding this experimental drug


https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

On 19/03/2021 17:54, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/



Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to
work like normal?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“ right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the
experimental stage.


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug
each other again?

Government: NO


Q:Â* So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.


Q:Â* Are you sure the vaccine wont injure orÂ* kill me?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why
should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q:Â* So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in
contact with?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still
unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated
from the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero
liability regarding this experimental drug


https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/



infowars? A typical misinformation twisting site.
Get the vaccine, you fool and read a reliable source for your info.

On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

And you still cannot differentiate a credible source from pure crap.

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO

Fine. Wearing a mask is not onerous.

Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like
normal?

Government: NO

I've been working unvaccinated all year. I'll be happy for everybody
at my office to be vacinnated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.

That's wrong. The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“ right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.

It reduces transmission.

Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the experimental stage.

Which is true of every new vaccine.

Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO

Who cares? I don't want to get close to anybody but my husband.

Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?

Government: NO

Another big slug of indifference.

Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.

So if you contract COVID-19, it won't be as severe, and you won't
be as infectious.

Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO

Any vaccine has that possibility. Yet we all got the smallpox vaccine
and others.

Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?

Government: NO

Nothing is 100%.

Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated from
the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero liability regarding this experimental drug

Just like any other vaccine administered to millions of people
every single year.

Cindy Hamilton

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:54:11 -0400, Oliver George
wrote:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/


Infowars.

Here's a few more important questiosn they didn't include:

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sick?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to need a hospital?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sent to the Intensive
Care Unit?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to die?

Yes. 100,000 times more likely. Probably a million times.

If I don't get vaccinated and I don't die, am I more likely to have new
long-term health problems?

Yes. As much as a 33% chance of that.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to make my family and
friends sick?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to send some of my family
and friends to the hospital?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to send some of my family
and friends to the ICU?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to kill some of my family
and friends?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, will most people think I'm stupid?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, will they be right?

Yes.




Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO


Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like
normal?

Government: NO


Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We don’t know exactly, but probably not.


Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I won’t be contagious to others – right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission.


Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the experimental stage.


Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO


Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?

Government: NO


Q: So what’s the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus won’t kill you.


Q: Are you sure the vaccine won’t injure or kill me?

Government: NO


Q: If statistically the virus won’t kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?

Government: NO


Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated from
the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO – the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero liability regarding this experimental drug


https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

Oliver George wrote

https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

Wota stunningly impeccable source...

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO

But will be able to once most are vaccinated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to
work like normal?

Government: NO

But will be able to once most are vaccinated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.

That last is your bare faced lie. The govt never said that.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“ right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.

Corse it does if it stops you getting infected.

Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the experimental
stage.

But we do know that only a microscopic number have
caught the virus more than once and that the vaccines
produce a much better immune response than getting
infected does, so it is certain it will last for more than
a year with most people.

Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO

But will be able to once most are vaccinated.

Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug
each other again?

Government: NO

But will be able to once most are vaccinated.

Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.

It isnt a hope, its a near certainty and
you wont get severe disease either.

Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO

But getting infected is much more likely to do that.

Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate),

Thats a lie with those over 65.

why should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.

The govt says much more than that.

Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact
with?

Government: NO

Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still
unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated
from the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero
liability regarding this experimental drug

You wont get compensated if the virus kills you or you get serious
long term effect as a result of being infected either, ****wit.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

" wrote in message
...
On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

And you still cannot differentiate a credible source from pure crap.

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO

Fine. Wearing a mask is not onerous.

Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to
work like
normal?

Government: NO

I've been working unvaccinated all year. I'll be happy for everybody
at my office to be vacinnated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.

That's wrong. The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%.

Those are the numbers for avoiding serious disease, not for getting
infected.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“ right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.

It reduces transmission.

Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the
experimental stage.

Which is true of every new vaccine.

Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO

Who cares? I don't want to get close to anybody but my husband.

Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug
each other again?

Government: NO

Another big slug of indifference.

Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.

So if you contract COVID-19, it won't be as severe, and you won't
be as infectious.

Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO

Any vaccine has that possibility. Yet we all got the smallpox vaccine
and others.

Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why
should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact
with?

Government: NO

Nothing is 100%.

Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still
unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated
from
the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero
liability regarding this experimental drug

Just like any other vaccine administered to millions of people
every single year.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:04:26 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile Australian pest's latest troll**** unread

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 86-year-old senile Australian
cretin's pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:47:12 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 19/03/2021 17:54, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/



Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to
work like normal?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“ right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the
experimental stage.


Q:Â* If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug
each other again?

Government: NO


Q:Â* So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.


Q:Â* Are you sure the vaccine wont injure orÂ* kill me?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why
should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q:Â* So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in
contact with?

Government: NO


Q:Â* If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still
unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated
from the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero
liability regarding this experimental drug


https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/



infowars? A typical misinformation twisting site.
Get the vaccine, you fool and read a reliable source for your info.

If you can't attack the message, shoot the messenger.
Why didn't you tell us what part was wrong?
I just saw Fauci tell Rand Paul all of those things the other day on
C-Span. (that is live congress TV, not some opinion network).

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:53:38 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:54:11 -0400, Oliver George
wrote:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/


Infowars.

Here's a few more important questiosn they didn't include:

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sick?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to need a hospital?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sent to the Intensive
Care Unit?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to die?

Yes. 100,000 times more likely. Probably a million times.

If I don't get vaccinated and I don't die, am I more likely to have new
long-term health problems?

Yes. As much as a 33% chance of that.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to make my family and
friends sick?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to send some of my family
and friends to the hospital?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to send some of my family
and friends to the ICU?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to kill some of my family
and friends?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.


You missed the point Fauci and his gang said. The vaccine is not
proven to reduce transmission so you are not protecting others.

Cindy just said this about it protecting you.

"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.
I am doing the Pfizer Sunday but mostly because it was free and easy.
I am not convinced it is going to improve my life much if I still need
to wear a mask and avoid seeing people according to the government.
I am only lucky that my state is not run by the Branch Covidian cult
and we can get out and do things if we want. The results still have us
in the middle of the pack in spite of a very high median age, lots of
outsiders coming and going and nothing really closed.
States like California struggle to explain it and CNN is just
gobsmacked by it.

On 3/19/2021 1:54 PM, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/



Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


If we all get vaccinated most of those "no" become "yes". Inforwars
just likes to be contrary and stir up ****. They don't give the facts
and reasoning behind it.

On 3/19/2021 3:39 PM, wrote:


If you can't attack the message, shoot the messenger.
Why didn't you tell us what part was wrong?
I just saw Fauci tell Rand Paul all of those things the other day on
C-Span. (that is live congress TV, not some opinion network).


Must have watched a different episode. I saw Paul interrupting Fauci as
he tried to explain the reason and the varients that may or may not be
protected.

Rand Paul just wanted to show off and be a bully.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:04:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We don’t know exactly, but probably not.

That last is your bare faced lie. The govt never said that.

That's for sure. Everyone but liars and dumbbells say that even the
least good of the vaccines makes one resistant. Not 100%, but
"resistance" doesn't even imply 100%, so "resistant" is still accurate.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I won’t be contagious to others – right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission.

Government never said that either. At most they said, We don't know.
Since then there is a lot of evidence for Pfizer that it does.

Corse it does if it stops you getting infected.

Rest omitted. I've spent more time than it's worth arguing with this
dummy.

What is it that makes some people so stupid? I really don't get it.
Did they get D's and F's in school? Are they on drugs or liquor? Did
they go without oxygen in the birth canal? Were they abused as
children? Do they only watch stupid TV and read stupid websites. I
know the latter is part of it, but how can they be so stupid they
discount everything else they read and sometimes they at least read the
answers they get here.

writes:


"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

You are comparing
apples to oranges. You cannot extrapolate from the
death rate of those who have so far had the virus to the
entire population, the majority of which have not contracted
the virus. So your 99.7% number is meaningless, wrong and dangerous.

Note that the survival rate for all vaccines is 100%, as
even if one does get the virus after vaccination, the symptoms are significantly
milder, if even detectable.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:47:12 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 19/03/2021 17:54, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/



Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO


Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to
work like normal?

Government: NO


Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.


Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“
right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.


Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the
experimental stage.


Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO


Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug
each other again?

Government: NO


Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.


Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO


Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why
should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in
contact with?

Government: NO


Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still
unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated
from the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero
liability regarding this experimental drug


https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/



infowars? A typical misinformation twisting site.
Get the vaccine, you fool and read a reliable source for your info.

If you can't attack the message, shoot the messenger.
Why didn't you tell us what part was wrong?

I just saw Fauci tell Rand Paul all of those things the other day on
C-Span.

Like hell you did, liar.

(that is live congress TV, not some opinion network).

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:53:38 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:54:11 -0400, Oliver George
wrote:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/


Infowars.

Here's a few more important questiosn they didn't include:

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sick?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to need a hospital?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sent to the Intensive
Care Unit?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to die?

Yes. 100,000 times more likely. Probably a million times.

If I don't get vaccinated and I don't die, am I more likely to have new
long-term health problems?

Yes. As much as a 33% chance of that.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to make my family and
friends sick?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to send some of my family
and friends to the hospital?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to send some of my family
and friends to the ICU?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to kill some of my family
and friends?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

You missed the point Fauci and his gang said.

Nope, you did, as always.

The vaccine is not proven to reduce transmission

YET, but it will do soon and is already starting to be proven in Israel.

so you are not protecting others.

You are actually, its just not PROVEN yet.

Cindy just said this about it protecting you.

That about protecting you from severe
disease, not transmission of the virus.

"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Its actually more complicated than that with J&J. If fact
it saw 100% protection against being killed by infection.

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so

More bogus stats with those over 65.

those numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

Only for ****wits like you.

I am doing the Pfizer Sunday but mostly because it was free and easy.
I am not convinced it is going to improve my life much if I still need
to wear a mask and avoid seeing people according to the government.

That's only until enough get vaccinated, ****wit.

I am only lucky that my state is not run by the Branch Covidian
cult and we can get out and do things if we want. The results still
have us in the middle of the pack in spite of a very high median
age, lots of outsiders coming and going and nothing really closed.

And you wouldn't be in the middle of the pack if you lot did thing better,
stupid.

States like California struggle to explain it and CNN is just gobsmacked
by it.

More mindless bull****.

"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:04:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We don't know exactly, but probably not.

That last is your bare faced lie. The govt never said that.

That's for sure. Everyone but liars and dumbbells say that even the
least good of the vaccines makes one resistant. Not 100%, but
"resistance" doesn't even imply 100%, so "resistant" is still accurate.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I won't be contagious to others -
right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

Government never said that either. At most they said, We don't know.
Since then there is a lot of evidence for Pfizer that it does.

Corse it does if it stops you getting infected.

Rest omitted. I've spent more time than it's worth arguing with this
dummy.

What is it that makes some people so stupid? I really don't get it.

They desperately seek anything that hints at maybe supporting their
prejudices.

Did they get D's and F's in school?

Plenty didn't.

Are they on drugs or liquor? Did they go without oxygen
in the birth canal? Were they abused as children?

Very likely all of the above.

Do they only watch stupid TV and read stupid websites.

Clearly they do.

I know the latter is part of it, but how can they be so
stupid they discount everything else they read and
sometimes they at least read the answers they get here.

That's the way so many are.

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
...
writes:


"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

You are comparing
apples to oranges. You cannot extrapolate from the
death rate of those who have so far had the virus to the
entire population, the majority of which have not contracted
the virus.

Corse you can when the virus is roughly evenly spread
amongst the population with no evidence that those
where the virus is much less commonly seen behave
any differently to a virus infection.

So your 99.7% number is meaningless, wrong and dangerous.

Note that the survival rate for all vaccines is 100%,

No it isnt. I tiny handful do get killed by the vaccine.

Far fewer than get killed by the virus, but still not 0 with any vaccine.

as even if one does get the virus after vaccination,
the symptoms are significantly milder, if even detectable.

That’s a different issue to being killed by the virus.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:48:50 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On 2021-03-19, micky wrote:
Here's a few more important questiosn they didn't include:

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sick?

Yes.
...

An important question for you:

If I take one of these experimental vaccines that have received only
very limited testing, and are approved for emergency use only, and I
develop problems from it a year or more from now will YOU accept
financial liability for that? The vaccine manufacturers are shielded
from liability, so having held yourself out as a medical expert and
advised me to take part in this medical experiment, will YOU step up
to the plate if I am harmed?

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 00:20:40 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:


An important question for you:

If I take one of these experimental vaccines that have received only
very limited testing, and are approved for emergency use only, and I
develop problems from it a year or more from now will YOU accept
financial liability for that? The vaccine manufacturers are shielded
from liability, so having held yourself out as a medical expert and
advised me to take part in this medical experiment, will YOU step up
to the plate if I am harmed?


I'm not aware of anyone being forced to be vaccinated.

Idiots be idiots is all. You qualify ..

John T.

On 3/19/2021 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

And you still cannot differentiate a credible source from pure crap.

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO

Fine. Wearing a mask is not onerous.

Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like
normal?

Government: NO

I've been working unvaccinated all year. I'll be happy for everybody
at my office to be vacinnated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.

That's wrong. The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“ right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.

It reduces transmission.

Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the experimental stage.

Which is true of every new vaccine.

Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO

Who cares? I don't want to get close to anybody but my husband.

Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?

Government: NO

Another big slug of indifference.

Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.

So if you contract COVID-19, it won't be as severe, and you won't
be as infectious.

Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO

Any vaccine has that possibility. Yet we all got the smallpox vaccine
and others.

Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?

Government: NO

Nothing is 100%.

Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated from
the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero liability regarding this experimental drug

Just like any other vaccine administered to millions of people
every single year.

Cindy Hamilton



Actually, they are all close to 100% effective on avoiding
hospitalization or death.

On 3/19/2021 8:51 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 3/19/2021 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/


And you still cannot differentiate a credible source from pure crap.

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering
getting vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO

Fine.Â* Wearing a mask is not onerous.

Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back
to work like
normal?

Government: NO

I've been working unvaccinated all year.Â* I'll be happy for everybody
at my office to be vacinnated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.

That's wrong.Â* The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“
right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.

It reduces transmission.

Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the
experimental stage.

Which is true of every new vaccine.

Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO

Who cares?Â* I don't want to get close to anybody but my husband.

Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we
hug each other again?

Government: NO

Another big slug of indifference.
Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.

So if you contract COVID-19, it won't be as severe, and you won't
be as infectious.

Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO

Any vaccine has that possibility.Â* Yet we all got the smallpox vaccine
and others.

Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate),
why should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in
contact with?

Government: NO

Nothing is 100%.

Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects
(still unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be
compensated from
the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero
liability regarding this experimental drug

Just like any other vaccine administered to millions of people
every single year.

Cindy Hamilton



Actually, they are all close to 100% effective on avoiding
hospitalization or death.


Yes, an important consideration. People have been in the hospital and
on ventilators for long periods so just eliminating that is a big factor.

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 3/19/2021 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

And you still cannot differentiate a credible source from pure crap.

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO

Fine. Wearing a mask is not onerous.

Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to
work like
normal?

Government: NO

I've been working unvaccinated all year. I'll be happy for everybody
at my office to be vacinnated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.

That's wrong. The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“
right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.

It reduces transmission.

Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the
experimental stage.

Which is true of every new vaccine.

Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO

Who cares? I don't want to get close to anybody but my husband.

Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug
each other again?

Government: NO

Another big slug of indifference.

Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.

So if you contract COVID-19, it won't be as severe, and you won't
be as infectious.

Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO

Any vaccine has that possibility. Yet we all got the smallpox vaccine
and others.

Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why
should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in
contact with?

Government: NO

Nothing is 100%.

Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still
unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated
from
the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero
liability regarding this experimental drug

Just like any other vaccine administered to millions of people
every single year.

Cindy Hamilton



Actually, they are all close to 100% effective on avoiding hospitalization
or death.

Thats less clear with the russian, chinese and indian vaccines.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 3/19/2021 8:51 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 3/19/2021 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

And you still cannot differentiate a credible source from pure crap.

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO

Fine. Wearing a mask is not onerous.

Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to
work like
normal?

Government: NO

I've been working unvaccinated all year. I'll be happy for everybody
at my office to be vacinnated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.

That's wrong. The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%.

Q: If I get vaccinated, at least I wont be contagious to others €“
right?

Government: NO. the vaccine doesnt stop transmission.

It reduces transmission.

Q: If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?

Government: No one knows. All Covid vaccines are still in the
experimental stage.

Which is true of every new vaccine.

Q: If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?

Government: NO

Who cares? I don't want to get close to anybody but my husband.

Q: If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug
each other again?

Government: NO

Another big slug of indifference.
Q: So whats the benefit of getting vaccinated?

Government: Hoping that the virus wont kill you.

So if you contract COVID-19, it won't be as severe, and you won't
be as infectious.

Q: Are you sure the vaccine wont injure or kill me?

Government: NO

Any vaccine has that possibility. Yet we all got the smallpox vaccine
and others.

Q: If statistically the virus wont kill me (99.7% survival rate), why
should I get vaccinated?

Government: To protect others.


Q: So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in
contact with?

Government: NO

Nothing is 100%.

Q: If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still
unknown) or die from the vaccine, will I (or my family) be compensated
from
the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?

Government: NO €“ the government and vaccine manufacturers have zero
liability regarding this experimental drug

Just like any other vaccine administered to millions of people
every single year.

Cindy Hamilton



Actually, they are all close to 100% effective on avoiding
hospitalization or death.


Yes, an important consideration. People have been in the hospital and on
ventilators for long periods so just eliminating that is a big factor.

And there is now some evidence that those with long covid
are do considerably better after being vaccinated too.

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:58:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/19/2021 3:39 PM, wrote:


If you can't attack the message, shoot the messenger.
Why didn't you tell us what part was wrong?
I just saw Fauci tell Rand Paul all of those things the other day on
C-Span. (that is live congress TV, not some opinion network).


Must have watched a different episode. I saw Paul interrupting Fauci as
he tried to explain the reason and the varients that may or may not be
protected.

Rand Paul just wanted to show off and be a bully.

I saw Fauci telling us they don't know, over and over again about
everything.
Will they ever know enough to say it is 100% safe and will he get away
from the hysteria before then?
At a certain point we need the information to take a calculated risk
and isn't life just a series of calculated risks anyway?
We are quickly reaching the point that driving to the restaurant is
more dangerous than going in, mask or not.
The question Paul asked is, if your are vaccinated, why aren't you
safe and it is a good question. If not, why get the shot?

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:24:06 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

You are comparing
apples to oranges. You cannot extrapolate from the
death rate of those who have so far had the virus to the
entire population, the majority of which have not contracted
the virus. So your 99.7% number is meaningless, wrong and dangerous.

Note that the survival rate for all vaccines is 100%, as
even if one does get the virus after vaccination, the symptoms are significantly
milder, if even detectable.

If Fauci had said that Paul would not have had much more to say

Why are we still running scared even after vaccination?

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:29:17 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 00:20:40 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:


An important question for you:

If I take one of these experimental vaccines that have received only
very limited testing, and are approved for emergency use only, and I
develop problems from it a year or more from now will YOU accept
financial liability for that? The vaccine manufacturers are shielded
from liability, so having held yourself out as a medical expert and
advised me to take part in this medical experiment, will YOU step up
to the plate if I am harmed?


I'm not aware of anyone being forced to be vaccinated.

Maybe you need to get informed then.
There are employers planning on requiring it along with airlines and
maybe even some other businesses. It is still yet to see how pervasive
the Covid passport is going to be.
You can duck it but your life may not be the same.

On 3/19/2021 10:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:58:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/19/2021 3:39 PM, wrote:


If you can't attack the message, shoot the messenger.
Why didn't you tell us what part was wrong?
I just saw Fauci tell Rand Paul all of those things the other day on
C-Span. (that is live congress TV, not some opinion network).


Must have watched a different episode. I saw Paul interrupting Fauci as
he tried to explain the reason and the varients that may or may not be
protected.

Rand Paul just wanted to show off and be a bully.

I saw Fauci telling us they don't know, over and over again about
everything.
Will they ever know enough to say it is 100% safe and will he get away
from the hysteria before then?
At a certain point we need the information to take a calculated risk
and isn't life just a series of calculated risks anyway?
We are quickly reaching the point that driving to the restaurant is
more dangerous than going in, mask or not.
The question Paul asked is, if your are vaccinated, why aren't you
safe and it is a good question. If not, why get the shot?


Every time Fauci tried to explain about the variants Paul cut him off.
He asked questions but did not want to hear answers, he wanted to make
his own statement.

https://tinyurl.com/336xnms7

Paul comes across as an arrogant politician that wants to show how smart
he is.

On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 9:58:59 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:24:06 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
writes:


"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

You are comparing
apples to oranges. You cannot extrapolate from the
death rate of those who have so far had the virus to the
entire population, the majority of which have not contracted
the virus. So your 99.7% number is meaningless, wrong and dangerous.

Note that the survival rate for all vaccines is 100%, as
even if one does get the virus after vaccination, the symptoms are significantly
milder, if even detectable.
If Fauci had said that Paul would not have had much more to say

Why are we still running scared even after vaccination?

Because Fauci gets invited places if we're scared of the virus.

"The Federal Government is exploiting public fear to redefine the relationship between the rulers and the American people. "
James Bovard

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:58:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/19/2021 3:39 PM, wrote:


If you can't attack the message, shoot the messenger.
Why didn't you tell us what part was wrong?
I just saw Fauci tell Rand Paul all of those things the other day on
C-Span. (that is live congress TV, not some opinion network).


Must have watched a different episode. I saw Paul interrupting Fauci as
he tried to explain the reason and the varients that may or may not be
protected.

Rand Paul just wanted to show off and be a bully.

I saw Fauci telling us they don't know,
over and over again about everything.

Another bare faced lie. He never said that they
don't know about the effect of the vaccines on
the severity of the disease if you get infected.

Will they ever know enough to say it is 100% safe

Nothing ever is. What matters is whether it's
a lot safer than getting infect by the virus when
not vaccinated and we already know that.

and will he get away from the hysteria before then?

More of your flagrant dishonest, your trademark.

At a certain point we need the information to take a calculated risk

We have that already, from the phase 3 trials.

and isn't life just a series of calculated risks anyway?

Yes but for some odd reason we do vaccinate extensively
to reduce the risk of the downsides with that disease.

We are quickly reaching the point that driving to the
restaurant is more dangerous than going in, mask or not.

BULL****.

The question Paul asked is, if your are vaccinated, why aren't
you safe and it is a good question. If not, why get the shot?

Because we know that it radically reduces the effect
of the disease if you get infected and likely will
radically reduce the risk of getting infected too, ****wit.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:24:06 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

You are comparing
apples to oranges. You cannot extrapolate from the
death rate of those who have so far had the virus to the
entire population, the majority of which have not contracted
the virus. So your 99.7% number is meaningless, wrong and dangerous.

Note that the survival rate for all vaccines is 100%, as
even if one does get the virus after vaccination, the symptoms are
significantly
milder, if even detectable.

If Fauci had said that Paul would not have had much more to say

More bull****. Paul was always going to rabbit on about
very little reinfection, ignoring that we know that's a lie
with particularly the more virulent south african variant.

Why are we still running scared even after vaccination?

No one is running scared. It does make sense to continue
with masks until it becomes clear that the vaccines do
prevent infection with the more virulent strains which
do not have specific vaccines developed for yet.

"Dean Hoffman" wrote in message
...
On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 9:58:59 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:24:06 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
writes:


"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

You are comparing
apples to oranges. You cannot extrapolate from the
death rate of those who have so far had the virus to the
entire population, the majority of which have not contracted
the virus. So your 99.7% number is meaningless, wrong and dangerous.

Note that the survival rate for all vaccines is 100%, as
even if one does get the virus after vaccination, the symptoms are
significantly
milder, if even detectable.
If Fauci had said that Paul would not have had much more to say

Why are we still running scared even after vaccination?

We arent.

Because Fauci gets invited places if we're scared of the virus.

Bull****, he actually gets invited to say what should be done about the
virus.

"The Federal Government is exploiting public fear to redefine
the relationship between the rulers and the American people. "
James Bovard

More mindless bull****.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:54:19 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:53:38 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:54:11 -0400, Oliver George
wrote:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/


Infowars.

Here's a few more important questiosn they didn't include:

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sick?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to need a hospital?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sent to the Intensive
Care Unit?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to die?

Yes. 100,000 times more likely. Probably a million times.

If I don't get vaccinated and I don't die, am I more likely to have new
long-term health problems?

Yes. As much as a 33% chance of that.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to make my family and
friends sick?

Yes.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to send some of my family
and friends to the hospital?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to send some of my family
and friends to the ICU?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to kill some of my family
and friends?

Yes. At least the ones too stupid to have gotten vaccinated.


You missed the point Fauci and his gang said. The vaccine is not
proven to reduce transmission so you are not protecting others.

You have a pretty obvious mistake here. All you can say is, "The vaccine
is not proven to reduce transmission so IT IS NOT PROVEN THAT you are
protecting others." I don't have to explain why this sentence is
correct, right?

Further, there is quite a bit of evidence from israel that Pfizer does
reduce transmission, and Moderna is basically the same as Pfizer, so
that's another mistake.

Cindy just said this about it protecting you.

"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

Scott is right. If you're comparing 94.1, 95, and 99.7, you shouldn't
be. They represent two different things that are independent of each
other.

I am doing the Pfizer Sunday but mostly because it was free and easy.
I am not convinced it is going to improve my life much if I still need
to wear a mask and avoid seeing people according to the government.

That's the thing so many people don't appreciate. You're not sick now
and if you don't get sick in the next 2 years, you probably won't know
-- I don't know how you could know -- if it's because you didn't meet
anyone with Corona, you did but you wouldn't have caught it from him
anyhow, or you would have caught it but the vaccine saved you.

But be assured, I don't know what all the percentage are but if you were
not vaccinated and you are not a hermit (and especially if everyone else
wasn't vaccinated but even if 50% or 90% of the people were) there is
good chance you would catch the virus, and if you did, a 10% chance you
would end up in the hospital, and 1) a 10% chance within that you would
end up in the ICU, and I'm guessing a more than 50% chance within that
that you would end up dead. and 2) a 33% chance you'd have long-term
sequelae**, serious medical problems.

But becaue the vaccine has a 95% chance that it would save you from all
of that, if you're not convinced now, and you don't believe what
researchers says, there will be nothing in particular to convince you in
the future. Many things, including I'm sure many things you believe,
can only be proven by statistically. But people pick certain things to
not believe statistics for.

And lets say 300 million Americans got the vaccine, and it's 5%
in-effective. That's 15 million people, and some percentage of them may
meet someone contagious, and he may end up sick, and instead of a 10%
chance he'd end up in the hospital, maybe there's a 1% chance he would
(and a 0% chance he'd end up in the ICU), but when some anti-vaxer finds
one of these people, and there are likely to be 10 or 100 or 100's out
of 300 million, they will announce that the vaccine didn't do anything,
that the virus faded away on its own, like some do. Even though it
didn't.

Most of the people who don't like this vaccine still took all the other
vaccines, and still gave them to their children. The odds that measles
would seriuosly injure a child was always very low -- I had measles. My
parents weren't worried, afaik -- but the measles vaccine made it near
zero. The same people who don't like these vaccines still gave their
children the measles vaccine.

When polio was at its worst, the odds were still slim that any given
child (or adult) would get polio, but if you got it, it was terrible,
sometimes fatal, sometimes lifetime paralysis, so just about everyone
rushed to get it, even though they would probably would never have
gotten polio anyhow.

Other diseases were the same.

So why is this time different. I can think of only one reason.

Only in the age of trump and several other mostly Republican idiots has
medicine and statistics been overridden for some by idolatry (of trump)
and partisanship. If we'd had any other president including even** Ted
Cruz, we would have lost 200 or 300,000 dead, let's exaggerate and say
400,000, but not 550,000 and climbing. Yesterday or the day before
trump said it's a good vaccine and people should get it, and he said
something almost as "strong" at CPAC, but has it said it strong enough
or in a video PSA to change any minds? Has he insisted enough to make up
for months of denying it, for the time he claimed a little girl got ??
some dreaded illness from the vaccine? Had he not denied how serious
Corona was and had he belittled the doctors or the vaccine, we would not
have 50 million people or more who don't want the vaccine, who will make
a pool for the virus to continue to live, to mutate, and maybe infect
and kill people whose vaccine was not built on the mutation, and for
which it doens't work.

And now because you like trump, my previous paragraph will have undone
all the good that my words before it did, and you'll decide that any
sense I seemed to make in the first 80% of this past is nonsense because
I remind you that trump thinks*** the disease is a hoax, and has
minimized it from the start, including even his weak endorsement
yesterday (more than two months after he and Melania got vaccinated but
didn't tell anyone).


**I only save "even" because Ted Cruz was the second-worst Republican
candidate, not because he wouldn't have whole heartedly opposed Corona.
***So he says.

**Never had a chance to use that word before. I hope you are all
impressed.






I am only lucky that my state is not run by the Branch Covidian cult
and we can get out and do things if we want. The results still have us
in the middle of the pack in spite of a very high median age, lots of
outsiders coming and going and nothing really closed.
States like California struggle to explain it and CNN is just
gobsmacked by it.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:24:06 GMT,
(Scott Lurndal) wrote:

writes:


"The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%."

Since the survival rate of unvaccinated people is 99.7% or so those
numbers are somewhat un reassuring.

You are comparing
apples to oranges. You cannot extrapolate from the
death rate of those who have so far had the virus to the
entire population, the majority of which have not contracted
the virus. So your 99.7% number is meaningless, wrong and dangerous.

Note that the survival rate for all vaccines is 100%, as
even if one does get the virus after vaccination, the symptoms are significantly
milder, if even detectable.

The short answer is that Scott is right.

Greg, you know consciously or deep down how you want it to come out, so
you find "arguments" to make it come out that way, but you're making an
inapplicable argument here.

On 20/03/2021 00:20, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-03-19, micky wrote:
Here's a few more important questiosn they didn't include:

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sick?

Yes.
...

An important question for you:

If I take one of these experimental vaccines that have received only
very limited testing, and are approved for emergency use only, and I
develop problems from it a year or more from now will YOU accept
financial liability for that? The vaccine manufacturers are shielded
from liability, so having held yourself out as a medical expert and
advised me to take part in this medical experiment, will YOU step up
to the plate if I am harmed?

If you don't trust the vaccine then don't have it. You have the choice.
It's as simple as that.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:58:54 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Actually, they are all close to 100% effective on avoiding hospitalization
or death.

That¢s less clear with the russian, chinese and indian vaccines.

Why do you say that, you depraved auto-contradicting senile Australian
asshole? Actually, those are known to be at least as effective!

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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:42:52 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 10:53:14 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:58:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/19/2021 3:39 PM, wrote:


If you can't attack the message, shoot the messenger.
Why didn't you tell us what part was wrong?
I just saw Fauci tell Rand Paul all of those things the other day on
C-Span. (that is live congress TV, not some opinion network).


Must have watched a different episode. I saw Paul interrupting Fauci as
he tried to explain the reason and the varients that may or may not be
protected.

Rand Paul just wanted to show off and be a bully.
I saw Fauci telling us they don't know, over and over again about
everything.
Will they ever know enough to say it is 100% safe and will he get away
from the hysteria before then?

Nothing is 100% safe. My last tetanus booster was not 100% safe.

At a certain point we need the information to take a calculated risk
and isn't life just a series of calculated risks anyway?
We are quickly reaching the point that driving to the restaurant is
more dangerous than going in, mask or not.
The question Paul asked is, if your are vaccinated, why aren't you
safe and it is a good question. If not, why get the shot?

If you are vaccinated, the chance of serious illness or death is much
reduced. It's a calculated risk.

I get my first dose of Moderna today.

Cindy Hamilton

On 3/19/21 2:53 PM, micky wrote:
Here's a few more important questiosn they didn't include:

If I don't get vaccinated, am I more likely to get sick?

Yes.


If I wear two masks, do I still need the FonyFauci-19 vaccine?