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I dare say it wouldnt be too hard to make an app that could
look up
this
info.

It still depends on 'me' proving the app is on 'my' phone. This
is
the bit that I don't understand really (though I'm not totally
convinced that the NHS records are so securely related to a
particular
person).

How do you guarantee that the mobile phone that has the
'inoculation
passport' on it is that of the person whose NHS record says that
they
have been inoculated? It's not like a passport which has a
picture of
'me' in it. I can own lots of mobile phones, I can transfer
them to
other people, I can change the fingerprint that unlocks them,
mobile
phones are *not* locked for ever to their current owners.

Clearly not a problem with digital passports and driver's
licenses.

Why?

I walk up to passport control with my (digital or not) passport
and a
mobile phone. The passport has a photograph of me on it and,
maybe,
even more specific identity information which proves pretty
certainly
it's my passport. OK, that's good.

What sort of proof is there that that the phone which has the
covid-19
passport on it is mine? ...

No reason why it cant have your photo too.

A photo can be changed!

Passports go to huge lengths to prevent you changing the picture.

This is the whole point, a passport is designed to be locked to your
identity, that's the whole point of its existence, nowadays there's
more than just the photo identifying it as yours. Plus there's lots
of 'cleverness' preventing people from changing the identity
associated with a passport and also making it difficult to create
false passports.

Phones have none of this, it's trivial to change the 'identity' tags
on a phone, change the picture, register an app with a different
bank
account, whatever. The thing is designed to be customised, quite
the
opposite of a passport.


Every /serious/ proposal I've seen expects a Covid-19 "certificate"
to
contain name and d.o.b. so it can be cross-checked to other ID - e.g.
a
passport or driving licence. If that data is encrypted it'd be well
beyond my DIY ability to change it.

But how does that work in a phone app? I.e. if the app is installed
on Fred's phone and confirms he's been jabbed, Fred then gives (or
sells) his phone to Bert. What happens?

... or do you show the screen of your phone to passport control (or
whatever) and they have to check that the DOB etc. matches your
passport.

Very probably. With cross-checks done automatically by reading the
code from the phone and the data from the passport. That's one reason
countries around the world want /digital/ certificates where possible.

I don't believe that "countries around the world" have access to our PP
database.

They do have a way to verify that its a valid digital passport,
not a fake.

"relying upon the built-in anti-fraud devices embedded into the
documents."

Wrong, they also check that it is a valid passport using the central
database.

Same with driver's licences, both digital and non digital.

Only UK border control has that (indeed even they may not have
that in real time).

Countries around the world have to take documents at face value, relying
upon the built-in anti-fraud devices embedded into the documents.

Thats not true of modern digital passports.

of course it is

what other way of doing it do the have?

Checking that the passport was issued by the passport issuing
authority by checking that that passport was issued by them.

It is for this reason that *paper* based documentation is so much better
here than digital variants

Thats bull****.

They may want these documents to be easily digitally read, but they
still want paper documents

Bull****.

you simply cannot embed all of the un-copy-able security into a digital
PP.

It's not possible

That isnt the only way to ensure that its a valid digital passport or
digital driver's licence.

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wrote:
alan_m wrote
%% wrote

Can't see why anyone would have faked their identity when getting the
vaccination.

It's not someone faking their identity when getting vaccinated.

Correct.

It's the ability for someone who hasn't been vaccinated to use someone
else's identity and covid passport to gain access to somewhere that may
require proof of vaccination.

Correct.

How can any member of the general public, a publican, doorman, theatre
ticket seller etc. see that the passport details are for fred and not
joe.

Same way they do that when checking that the individual is old enough to
be able to legally be served alcohol or watch and R rated movie, or buy
an R rated video game etc.

Official photo ID in the UK seems to be limited to passports and
driving licences

Yes, but there is no reason why a vaccination passport cant be done the
same way.

and not everyone has these,

I had a friend, sadly dead, who had neither. He was invited toa Buckingham
Palace Garden Party (services to charity). It seemed as though his London
Transport 'Freedom Pass" would suffice. Sadly, he was too ill to go.


Our system allows anyone who needs the same type of photo ID to have one,
for free. Its done by the same operation that does the driver's licenses.

and does your passport photo actually look like you when viewed in
limited lighting.

Doesn‘t need to with a digital driver's licence.


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alan_m wrote
%% wrote

Same way that electronic passports and drivers
licenses are, confirm with a central database.

So all the details are on a central database.

No need for that with a vaccine passport, just enough details
to ensure that it isnt a fake vaccine passport and that it is yours.

and how the flip can the current proposals for Digital vaccinate PP
provide that certainty?

Same way its done with passports and driver's licences.

So who now has access to your medical records?

Doesnt need to be anyone except with
your medical record of your covid jabs

Your local publican, the theatre employee at the pay desk?

Nope, no need for any of that on your vaccine passport.

For international travel matching the (travel) passport and vaccination
could be officially checked but how is this going to be achieved for
domestic use?

By having a separate vaccine passport.

I think that you are assuming a level of security into these PPs that
isn't going to be there

You are wrong. There is no assumption.

How is the organiser of an event going to ensure that you haven't
entered someone else's details into the phone?

By checking that the vaccine passport is yours,

and how the **** do they do that?

Same way they do with passports and driver's licences.

the same way
that the cops check that a digital driver's licence is yours

that has a picture on it

and
the same way that digital ID is checked that it is yours when
deciding if you can be served alcohol in a pub or can buy it
at the supermarket or grog shop etc.

they also have pictures on them

No reason why a digital covid passport cant have that too.

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On 29/04/2021 18:24, %% wrote:


Yes it has in other countries.


Have other countries got access to the DVLA records?

Not routinely, nope

that's what all the stuff about getting a "code" for use at a car hire
desk is all about

but it only gives specific limited access for a limited time

Foreign Police may request data

but they won't get an answer in real time

Ours does with many jurisdictions.

alan_m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

By checking that the vaccine passport is yours, the same way
that the cops check that a digital driver's licence is yours

They have fast access to the data base

No reason why that cant be done with a covid passport too.

and if they suspect that the licence is not yours access to much more data
that can be used to establish the validity of the bit of plastic.

No need to do that with a covid passport. If there is any
doubt that its yours, just deny access to that individual
and that individual gets to like that or lump it and gets
to risk being reported to the cops for attempted fraud.

There is no legal requirement to carry your driving licence in the UK and
these days the Police have instant access to various data bases to
establish if you and the car is road legal (licence details, car
registration, MOT, insurance, tax, owners address, wanted in connection
with crime etc.)

Dont need all of that with a covid passport, just deny the individual
access.

The changes are that even if stopped and you don't have your licence with
you their checks and few answered questions means that you no longer have
to produce documents at the Police station within 7 days, assuming that
you are road legal.

Irrelevant to what makes sense with a covid passport.

and the same way that digital ID is checked that it is yours when
deciding if you can be served alcohol in a pub

No such requirement in the UK. If the bar staff think that you are
underage they can refuse to serve you even with a fake third party "age ID
card".

Just as true of a covid passport.

There is no outward way of telling if someone has a vaccination or not
based of appearance alone.

Doesnt need to be, if the covid passport is not confirmed
by the central database as yours, you get denied access.

or can buy it at the supermarket or grog shop etc.

Often this is only based on a more senior member of staff confirming that
you are over the legal age based on appearance or or just using a CC for
purchase. Often the check is made because the till operative is under age
to serve alcohol and a more senior person has to approve accepting the
purchase.

Irrelevant to what makes sense with a covid passport.

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On 01/05/2021 10:52, charles wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
Official photo ID in the UK seems to be limited to passports and driving
licences and not everyone has these, and does your passport photo
actually look like you when viewed in limited lighting.

I have my 1940 National Identity Card. It has no photograph.

AFAIAA, they didn't put photos on little kids' ID cards. Mine is from a
number of years later, and it doesn't have a photo, either. Adult ID
cards did have photos, though.

In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:
On 01/05/2021 10:52, charles wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
Official photo ID in the UK seems to be limited to passports and driving
licences and not everyone has these, and does your passport photo
actually look like you when viewed in limited lighting.

I have my 1940 National Identity Card. It has no photograph.

AFAIAA, they didn't put photos on little kids' ID cards. Mine is from a
number of years later, and it doesn't have a photo, either. Adult ID
cards did have photos, though.

I have my father's, dated from when he was discharged from the Army in 1945
- no photo there either.

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On 01/05/2021 12:37, charles wrote:
In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:
On 01/05/2021 10:52, charles wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
Official photo ID in the UK seems to be limited to passports and driving
licences and not everyone has these, and does your passport photo
actually look like you when viewed in limited lighting.

I have my 1940 National Identity Card. It has no photograph.

AFAIAA, they didn't put photos on little kids' ID cards. Mine is from a
number of years later, and it doesn't have a photo, either. Adult ID
cards did have photos, though.

I have my father's, dated from when he was discharged from the Army in 1945
- no photo there either.

Interesting. I've seen a few of those cards, and all but the kids' ones
had photos. I don't think I have my mother's - if I do it will be with
her RAF discharge papers, but I can't get at that stuff at the moment.

On 01/05/2021 12:59, S Viemeister wrote:
On 01/05/2021 12:37, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* S Viemeister wrote:
On 01/05/2021 10:52, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â*Â* alan_m wrote:
Official photo ID in the UK seems to be limited to passports and
driving
licences and not everyone has these, and does your passport photo
actually look like you when viewed in limited lighting.

I have my 1940 National Identity Card. It has no photograph.

AFAIAA, they didn't put photos on little kids' ID cards. Mine is from a
number of years later, and it doesn't have a photo, either. Adult ID
cards did have photos, though.

I have my father's, dated from when he was discharged from the Army in
1945
- no photo there either.

Interesting. I've seen a few of those cards, and all but the kids' ones
had photos. I don't think I have my mother's - if I do it will be with
her RAF discharge papers, but I can't get at that stuff at the moment.

only those who might require access to secure sites had photos on their
ID cards. There was a good deal of comment at the time that ID cards
weren't much use as proof of identity. And I especially liked those who
suggested a thumb print would be easier and better than a photo in any
event.

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On 01/05/2021 08:23, Rod Speed wrote:

Doesnt need to with a digital driver's licence.

What do believe "digital driving licence" in the UK to be?

How do believe publicans and shop keepers check for under age purchases?
What form of age related identification do you believe the UK population
carries?


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On 01/05/2021 13:45, Robin wrote:
On 01/05/2021 12:59, S Viemeister wrote:
On 01/05/2021 12:37, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* S Viemeister wrote:
On 01/05/2021 10:52, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â*Â* alan_m wrote:
Official photo ID in the UK seems to be limited to passports and
driving
licences and not everyone has these, and does your passport photo
actually look like you when viewed in limited lighting.

I have my 1940 National Identity Card. It has no photograph.

AFAIAA, they didn't put photos on little kids' ID cards. Mine is from a
number of years later, and it doesn't have a photo, either. Adult ID
cards did have photos, though.

I have my father's, dated from when he was discharged from the Army
in 1945
- no photo there either.

Interesting. I've seen a few of those cards, and all but the kids'
ones had photos. I don't think I have my mother's - if I do it will be
with her RAF discharge papers, but I can't get at that stuff at the
moment.

only those who might require access to secure sites had photos on their
ID cards.Â* There was a good deal of comment at the time that ID cards
weren't much use as proof of identity. And I especially liked those who
suggested a thumb print would be easier and better than a photo in any
event.

Ah. That makes sense. A number of my relatives were involved with the
sort of thing which made it necessary for them to sign the Official
Secrets Act paperwork.

On 01/05/2021 10:50, Rod Speed wrote:


Thats not true of digital driver's licences and digital passports.

Pray tell us how these magic Digital facilities work in the UK? Not how
the Police or Airport immigration may use them but how a shop keeper
uses them to validate the sale of alcohol for instance and/or how a
doorman at venue or ticket seller would access a data base in real time.



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On 01/05/2021 11:07, Rod Speed wrote:

Doesnt need to be, if the covid passport is not confirmed
by the central database as yours, you get denied access.

But I just say I'm Rod Speed and these are the details on the data base
they check to allow access. How is another member of the public (bar
staff, ticket sellers, doormen) going to know I'm not using another
identity?

The whole point of any covid passport is not to stop those who have been
given the vaccine and are using the correct details but to prevent
others who have not had the vaccine (nor a recent negative test)
attending indoor or crowded events.

It's like believing that having a driving licence system stops joy
riding or drink driving, a passport system stops people in rubber boats
entering the country, having scrap metal laws stop metal theft etc.

Law (rules) are only obeyed by those who are law abiding.


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In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 01/05/2021 08:23, Rod Speed wrote:

Doesn‘t need to with a digital driver's licence.

What do believe "digital driving licence" in the UK to be?

How do believe publicans and shop keepers check for under age purchases?
What form of age related identification do you believe the UK population
carries?

As one who passed both the Scottish & English licencing exams, the answer
is anyone who looks under 25 needs to have something to prove their age if
they want to be served alcohol.

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On 01/05/2021 16:19, charles wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 01/05/2021 08:23, Rod Speed wrote:

Doesn€˜t need to with a digital driver's licence.

What do believe "digital driving licence" in the UK to be?

How do believe publicans and shop keepers check for under age purchases?
What form of age related identification do you believe the UK population
carries?

As one who passed both the Scottish & English licencing exams, the answer
is anyone who looks under 25 needs to have something to prove their age if
they want to be served alcohol.



Including all the fake age ID that can be purchased on line?

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In article , alan_m
wrote:
On 01/05/2021 16:19, charles wrote:
In article , alan_m
wrote:
On 01/05/2021 08:23, Rod Speed wrote:

Doesn�t need to with a digital driver's licence.

What do believe "digital driving licence" in the UK to be?

How do believe publicans and shop keepers check for under age
purchases? What form of age related identification do you believe the
UK population carries?

As one who passed both the Scottish & English licencing exams, the
answer is anyone who looks under 25 needs to have something to prove
their age if they want to be served alcohol.



Including all the fake age ID that can be purchased on line?

we were instructed how to look out for this.

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On 01/05/2021 10:50, Rod Speed wrote:


Thats not true of digital driver's licences and digital passports.

Pray tell us how these magic Digital facilities work in the UK? Not how
the Police or Airport immigration may use them but how a shop keeper uses
them to validate the sale of alcohol for instance and/or how a doorman at
venue or ticket seller would access a data base in real time.

We have these funky things called mobile phones that some
jurisdictions rather radically use to access databases in real
time now. No reason why even you poms can't do that with
a covid passport. And thats just as true of covid passports
which are not on the individual's phone because the individual
doesnt actually have a phone.

alan_m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Doesnt need to be, if the covid passport is not confirmed
by the central database as yours, you get denied access.

But I just say I'm Rod Speed and these are the details on the data base
they check to allow access. How is another member of the public (bar
staff, ticket sellers, doormen) going to know I'm not using another
identity?

By checking that it is actually Rod Speed by having the central
database confirm that using one of those funky things we call
mobile phones. And dont try claiming that not all of the bar
staff, ticket sellers, doormen etc dont always have mobile
phone service, those can use wifi calling.

The whole point of any covid passport is not to stop those who have been
given the vaccine and are using the correct details but to prevent others
who have not had the vaccine (nor a recent negative test) attending indoor
or crowded events.

Duh.

It's like believing that having a driving licence system stops joy riding
or drink driving, a passport system stops people in rubber boats entering
the country, having scrap metal laws stop metal theft etc.

Nothing like, because those dont involve any access checking person.

Law (rules) are only obeyed by those who are law abiding.

Irrelevant to whether it is perfectly possible to allow bar staff,
ticket sellers, doormen etc to check if it is your covid passport.

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On 01/05/2021 16:19, charles wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 01/05/2021 08:23, Rod Speed wrote:

Doesn€˜t need to with a digital driver's licence.

What do believe "digital driving licence" in the UK to be?

How do believe publicans and shop keepers check for under age purchases?
What form of age related identification do you believe the UK population
carries?

As one who passed both the Scottish & English licencing exams, the answer
is anyone who looks under 25 needs to have something to prove their age
if
they want to be served alcohol.



Including all the fake age ID that can be purchased on line?

Trivial to allow the ID inspector to check online that its not
a fake using one of these funky things called mobile phones.

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On 01/05/2021 21:16, Rod Speed wrote:


By checking that it is actually Rod Speed by having the central
database confirm that using one of those funky things we call
mobile phones.

I say I'm Rod Speed and he checks this data base using this funky gadget
to see that Rod Speed exists. His check doesn't identify me as someone
else. Which part of this existing (or proposed) central data base is
going to identify my correct name to a third party, say, when entering a
pub if I choose to adopt or borrow another identity to circumvent covid
restrictions?

If I had a valid vaccine record I wouldn't need to pretend to be someone
else. Someone without vaccination and/or a recent current negative test
could easily adopt another identity. It seems that when indoor venues
had to record their customers details after the first lockdown it was
found that a large percentage of parents had named their offspring after
Disney characters!

Do you actually believe that many business on the verge of collapse are
actually going to make too much effort in checking the validity of covid
passport if this results in a loss of business?

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alan_m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

By checking that it is actually Rod Speed by having the central database
confirm that using one of those funky things we call mobile phones.

I say I'm Rod Speed and he checks this data base using this funky gadget
to see that Rod Speed exists.

Nope, that the individual in front of him is Rod Speed that way.

His check doesn't identify me as someone else.

Wrong when it decides that the individual in front of him isnt Rod Speed.

Which part of this existing (or proposed) central data base is going to
identify my correct name to a third party, say, when entering a pub if I
choose to adopt or borrow another identity to circumvent covid
restrictions?

The one that compares the picture the central database
has of holder of the covid passport with the picture of
the individual in front of the covid passport checker.

Thats how the best passport control systems work now.

If I had a valid vaccine record I wouldn't need to pretend to be someone
else. Someone without vaccination and/or a recent current negative test
could easily adopt another identity.

Nope, not when the covid passport checker can check
if the covid passport that they have been presented with
actually belongs to the individual it has been issued to.

It seems that when indoor venues had to record their customers details
after the first lockdown it was found that a large percentage of parents
had named their offspring after Disney characters!

Cant happen when covid passports are issued.

Do you actually believe that many business on the verge of collapse are
actually going to make too much effort in checking the validity of covid
passport if this results in a loss of business?

They get not choice on that if they can be fined substantial
fines when they get caught not bothering to check that its
legal to let that individual enter the premises, just like with
the sale of alcohol or cigarettes etc to under age individuals.

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On 01/05/2021 10:27, Chris Green wrote:
alan_m wrote:
On 30/04/2021 09:49, Robin wrote:


Every /serious/ proposal I've seen expects a Covid-19 "certificate" to
contain name and d.o.b. so it can be cross-checked to other ID - e.g. a
passport or driving licence.Â* If that data is encrypted it'd be well
beyond my DIY ability to change it.


You are now assuming that everyone has a passport or driving licence!
My mother, for instance no longer has either. You cannot encrypt data
that doesn't exist.

Not to mention that, presumably, the Covid-19 "certificate" will
simply display the data on the phone's screen, trivally easy to fake
one. If it has a code of some sort with it that might help but then
we're back again at "how will the person checking the certificate know
the code is valid"?

How do you know the secure web site you visit is genuine? Same way, with
a cryptographically signed certificate that ties into a traceable
certificate authority. So you can tell the information is genuine, has
not been tampered with, and the identification information contained
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In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

It does not need a particularly recent phone (I think hardware wise all
it needs is Bluetooth Low Energy 4 or above), but does need Android 6 or
later. Most S4s were Android 5 (Lollipop)

Although Samsung don't have an update for this, there are ways of
installing it yourself:

https://www.nextpit.com/how-to-get-a...sung-galaxy-s4

Thought I'd give an update. Every man and his dog seemed to have a method
of updating the S4. Sadly, most of the articles had links to the needed
software that no longer worked. And it seems there are lots of S4
versions. Different processors, for one thing. All of which need different
Android update software. Also wasn't clear that I needed a micro SD card
installed in the phone to back things up to.

Other odd thing is most seem to call my S4 an i9505 Yet everything I have
on it says GT-19505. Perhaps the same as Rover SD1 being called an SDi.;-)

But one thing was clear. To install TWRP before everything else.

Ideally, I'd have liked to do everything from the laptop. Nice big screen
and keyboard. Think it may be possible, but got Google strain.

So had to do it with TWRP on the phone in recovery mode. And ignore all
the dire warnings.

Getting the fooking S4 into recovery mode being a real pain - just look at
the edits on U-Tube when they show how to do it. Oddly, it goes into
download mode easily.

After a few hours of reading and playing around, I finally got 6.0.1 up
and running with G-apps installed too. All seemed OK.

Next day, having the bit between my teeth, thought it might make sense to
upgrade to the latest Android, before doing all the multitude of settings.
Think 10. But even more of a problem finding which version to use.

The details on the phone say ARMv7 processor, but not 32 or 64 bit. And
the crDroid type seemed to be jfltexx

Tried and failed, so when back to V6.

At least the NHS app now works. And having MyPhoneExplorer allowed easy
restore of the contacts list and so on.

I can see now why so many just get a new phone.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 05/05/2021 15:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

After a few hours of reading and playing around, I finally got 6.0.1 up
and running with G-apps installed too. All seemed OK.

Next day, having the bit between my teeth, thought it might make sense to
upgrade to the latest Android, before doing all the multitude of settings.
Think 10. But even more of a problem finding which version to use.

The details on the phone say ARMv7 processor, but not 32 or 64 bit. And
the crDroid type seemed to be jfltexx

Tried and failed, so when back to V6.

At least the NHS app now works. And having MyPhoneExplorer allowed easy
restore of the contacts list and so on.

I can see now why so many just get a new phone.

Well done for getting through to the end anyway!

(spose if the doodoo really hit the fan you can get a new old stock s4
from ebay for £45)

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Cheers,

John.

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In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 01/05/2021 10:50, Rod Speed wrote:


That‘s not true of digital driver's licences and digital passports.

Pray tell us how these magic Digital facilities work in the UK? Not how
the Police or Airport immigration may use them but how a shop keeper
uses them to validate the sale of alcohol for instance and/or how a
doorman at venue or ticket seller would access a data base in real time.

Your birth date is printed on your driver's licence.



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*War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 05/05/2021 15:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

After a few hours of reading and playing around, I finally got 6.0.1 up
and running with G-apps installed too. All seemed OK.

Next day, having the bit between my teeth, thought it might make sense to
upgrade to the latest Android, before doing all the multitude of settings.
Think 10. But even more of a problem finding which version to use.

The details on the phone say ARMv7 processor, but not 32 or 64 bit. And
the crDroid type seemed to be jfltexx

Tried and failed, so when back to V6.

At least the NHS app now works. And having MyPhoneExplorer allowed easy
restore of the contacts list and so on.

I can see now why so many just get a new phone.

Well done for getting through to the end anyway!

(spose if the doodoo really hit the fan you can get a new old stock s4
from ebay for £45)

The instructions on how to were all similar, and OK. The big problem was
identifying and finding the correct software for my exact model. Not
helped by so many links on the articles no longer working correctly.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:34:05 +0100, HVS
wrote:

snip

The main problem for me -- I have tremor-dominant Parkinson's

Sorry to hear that. ;-(

-- is
that the camera doesn't have particularly good stabilisation.

That's something I think you tend to get when you spend more money.

It's
not too bad for happy snaps, but the zoom is pretty well unusable
unless I happen to find something solid to brace it against.

You can see the stabilisation in play when I zoom my (fairly old now)
Samsung Galaxy S7 and (much to my surprise), you have to be very
'slack' to take any picture that's motion blurred.

Cheers, T i m

On 05/05/2021 18:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 05/05/2021 15:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

After a few hours of reading and playing around, I finally got 6.0.1 up
and running with G-apps installed too. All seemed OK.

Next day, having the bit between my teeth, thought it might make sense to
upgrade to the latest Android, before doing all the multitude of settings.
Think 10. But even more of a problem finding which version to use.

The details on the phone say ARMv7 processor, but not 32 or 64 bit. And
the crDroid type seemed to be jfltexx

Tried and failed, so when back to V6.

At least the NHS app now works. And having MyPhoneExplorer allowed easy
restore of the contacts list and so on.

I can see now why so many just get a new phone.

Well done for getting through to the end anyway!

(spose if the doodoo really hit the fan you can get a new old stock s4
from ebay for £45)

The instructions on how to were all similar, and OK. The big problem was
identifying and finding the correct software for my exact model. Not
helped by so many links on the articles no longer working correctly.

The wayback machine can be handy for getting hold of stuff from long
dead links.


--
Cheers,

John.

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On Wednesday, 5 May 2021 at 15:38:13 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Heard on the news they're likely to use the NHS track and trace app as a
vaccine passport.

My phone is a Galaxy S4. Works just fine as a phone and camera and the
things I want a phone for. But too old for the NHS app - which was
presumably written by a pal of BoJo, given I can't see what's so special
about it that it needs the latest phones.

It does not need a particularly recent phone (I think hardware wise all
it needs is Bluetooth Low Energy 4 or above), but does need Android 6 or
later. Most S4s were Android 5 (Lollipop)

Although Samsung don't have an update for this, there are ways of
installing it yourself:

https://www.nextpit.com/how-to-get-a...sung-galaxy-s4

Thought I'd give an update. Every man and his dog seemed to have a method
of updating the S4. Sadly, most of the articles had links to the needed
software that no longer worked. And it seems there are lots of S4
versions. Different processors, for one thing. All of which need different
Android update software. Also wasn't clear that I needed a micro SD card
installed in the phone to back things up to.

Other odd thing is most seem to call my S4 an i9505 Yet everything I have
on it says GT-19505. Perhaps the same as Rover SD1 being called an SDi.;-)

But one thing was clear. To install TWRP before everything else.

Ideally, I'd have liked to do everything from the laptop. Nice big screen
and keyboard. Think it may be possible, but got Google strain.

So had to do it with TWRP on the phone in recovery mode. And ignore all
the dire warnings.

Getting the fooking S4 into recovery mode being a real pain - just look at
the edits on U-Tube when they show how to do it. Oddly, it goes into
download mode easily.

After a few hours of reading and playing around, I finally got 6.0.1 up
and running with G-apps installed too. All seemed OK.

Next day, having the bit between my teeth, thought it might make sense to
upgrade to the latest Android, before doing all the multitude of settings.
Think 10. But even more of a problem finding which version to use.

The details on the phone say ARMv7 processor, but not 32 or 64 bit. And
the crDroid type seemed to be jfltexx

Tried and failed, so when back to V6.

At least the NHS app now works. And having MyPhoneExplorer allowed easy
restore of the contacts list and so on.

I can see now why so many just get a new phone.

Glad I sold my S2 last year! Well, to be honest, used it to get a money back on a new Samsung phone and flogged that at a reasonable profit.

Was amazed they accepted something that old.

On 05/05/2021 18:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 01/05/2021 10:50, Rod Speed wrote:


That€˜s not true of digital driver's licences and digital passports.

Pray tell us how these magic Digital facilities work in the UK? Not how
the Police or Airport immigration may use them but how a shop keeper
uses them to validate the sale of alcohol for instance and/or how a
doorman at venue or ticket seller would access a data base in real time.

Your birth date is printed on your driver's licence.



--


Which no-one carries around with them.

In article , Andrew
wrote:
On 05/05/2021 18:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , alan_m
wrote:
On 01/05/2021 10:50, Rod Speed wrote:


That�s not true of digital driver's licences and digital passports.

Pray tell us how these magic Digital facilities work in the UK? Not
how the Police or Airport immigration may use them but how a shop
keeper uses them to validate the sale of alcohol for instance and/or
how a doorman at venue or ticket seller would access a data base in
real time.

Your birth date is printed on your driver's licence.



--


Which no-one carries around with them.

Mine is in my wallet which lives in the hip pocket of my trousers.

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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle