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Updating Win7 to Win10
My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must.
I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. -- *Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all?" Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. Idiots, guide... (well we really don't know what you have, but this is my procedure) Backup the files you want. Buy a 250GB ssd for about £30 replace the laptop drive, keep the old drive, just in case you have forgotten some files. Install W10 fresh from USB (software downloaded from Microsoft). Activate using Win7 credentials or £2 licence off ebay if they don't work.. Copy back the files you want. |
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On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. Just get it here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 and let it get on with it. |
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On 24/06/2020 15:10:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. Why not use the Microsoft ISO/USB tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 I use the USB stick route. It's simple to use. Although if you go down the DVD route you'll need media burning software. To my knowledge all Windows 7 apps will all work on Windows 10. I haven't found one that hasn't (64bit). I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. I see no reason why any external drive visible to Windows 7 should not be accessible to Windows 10. You can do an update and retain everything. I recently did a new clean install as I had do much junk on this machine. |
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:42:36 +0100, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/06/2020 15:10:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. Why not use the Microsoft ISO/USB tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 I use the USB stick route. It's simple to use. Although if you go down the DVD route you'll need media burning software. To my knowledge all Windows 7 apps will all work on Windows 10. I haven't found one that hasn't (64bit). I had a Samsung scanner that wouldn't. At all. I gave it away to someone with Win 7. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 24/06/2020 16:14:14, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:42:36 +0100, Fredxx wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. Why not use the Microsoft ISO/USB tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 I use the USB stick route. It's simple to use. Although if you go down the DVD route you'll need media burning software. To my knowledge all Windows 7 apps will all work on Windows 10. I haven't found one that hasn't (64bit). I had a Samsung scanner that wouldn't. At all. I gave it away to someone with Win 7. Was this a driver or application issue? I'm wondering if this was written for XP? |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. *Don't* go here, using a Windows XP or a Linux setup. https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 With a Vista+ machine and web browser, you will be offered a version of the MediaCreationTool. You can do the installation with no physical media at all. Have the MediaCreationTool create an ISO9660 file (using the "updating another computer" type option, instead of letting it upgrade the PC directly). https://www.osforensics.com/tools/mo...sk-images.html https://i.postimg.cc/G2gwNm6V/OSFMOUNTer.gif With the ISO9660 file mounted, look for a new (virtual) DVD drive in My Computer. There will be a Setup.exe file at the top level. Double-click to kick off your Upgrade Install. When it asks for a license key, click the "I don't have a license key" button, then carry on. Since the free Upgrade is still working, the OS should be activated later (use the Setup wheel in the menu, type "activation" in it and see if you can get the dialog for that to show). If you want to make a DVD later (and you might want to do that), the ISO9660 can be burned to a new DVD using a program like the free Imgburn. An Upgrade Install moves C:\Windows to C:\Windows.old, then it creates a new C:\Windows with Windows 10 stuff in it. The C:\Windows.old will be deleted after ten days, using automation. Do *not* toss C:\Windows.old into the trash. Use a tool to remove it! In the run box, you can use "cleanmgr.exe" as the removal tool, using the "system" button in that tool. You'll find the Windows.old listed as a ~20GB folder to be deleted. If you use MediaCreationTool to directly update the OS, then you might not have any collateral materials for later. Doing it the ISO9660 way, you get to keep an image around for later. The image works best if burned to a DVD (both legacy BIOS and UEFI BIOS supported). If you load the ISO9660 with Rufus, only one of the two modes works with Rufus. If you use the MicrosoftStore USB flash stick loader, it has a similar limitation (legacy only???). To be fully functional, like you're going to a friends house to do a Geek Squad call, you want the physical DVD because it supports any mode the job calls for. But on the initial Upgrade Install, you don't *have* to do it from a DVD. Making a DVD just makes you *more prepared*, like a boy scout. Not making a DVD, saves time. It doesn't install all that much faster using the virtual DVD drive idea, so that's not the reason for doing it that way. Having a backup image of C: before starting this, covers your bases. You have nothing to worry about, if you can just restore from backup. You store the backup image on an external drive, one which is disconnected during the install attempt. Do *not* have multiple hard drives running in the desktop, during the install. Best practice, is (with power off), to be disconnecting the SATA power and SATA data from your excess hard drives. Only the hard drive with Windows 7 should be present, when installing from the "virtual" DVD drive. You can leave your physical DVD drive cabled up if you want. This level of caution isn't strictly necessary, but is a means to assure yourself that there is "no way that installer could spew install materials onto my other disk drives". That's why you do it that way. When the install is finished, you can cable up the fleet again and carry on. I've done a lot of multiboot setups, and this is the voice of experience (not skill) talking. For example, a couple times, I've had installers *erase* disks. Sure, it doesn't happen all that often, but who wants to discover the odds the hard way ??? For example, there's a certain sequence you can do with a Windows 2000 installer CD, that will erase a disk. One of my early lessons in hygiene... I got to see TestDisk put the MBR back and everything, so there was no data loss, but that was a bit of a miracle and not a sure thing. Paul |
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On 24/06/2020 16:14, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:42:36 +0100, Fredxx wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. Why not use the Microsoft ISO/USB tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 I use the USB stick route. It's simple to use. Although if you go down the DVD route you'll need media burning software. To my knowledge all Windows 7 apps will all work on Windows 10. I haven't found one that hasn't (64bit). I had a Samsung scanner that wouldn't. At all. I gave it away to someone with Win 7. Too late for you, but for anyone else with a similar problem try the free version of VueScan on Win 10 which seems to cope with every scanner ever invented. If you like it, the full version for about £50 is good. (Just used this to re-use an old Dimage, but now I use it on my Canon Lide and Brother "all in 1" too. Only one user interface to remember). |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:42:36 +0100, Fredxx wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. Why not use the Microsoft ISO/USB tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 I use the USB stick route. It's simple to use. Although if you go down the DVD route you'll need media burning software. To my knowledge all Windows 7 apps will all work on Windows 10. I haven't found one that hasn't (64bit). I had a Samsung scanner that wouldn't. At all. I gave it away to someone with Win 7. There's Vuescan. https://www.hamrick.com/ That's not necessarily a cost-effective solution. Only a certain class of scanners (really valuable ones), would justify using that. Like maybe one of the good slide scanners with 9600dpi resolution or so. ******* You can use a virtual machine to run a scanner, but one of the decent images (provided by Microsoft) is no longer available for download. There was a Windows 7 Enterprise VM that doesn't need activation (but, it only runs for half an hour at a time...). Paul |
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On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. I crossed my fingers and just let the upgrade happen (files are regularly backed-up so were available if disaster struck) - all was well until a few weeks later when I got nags that my MS Office was not registered. I couldn't find the original licence info so, after arguing with MS support for a while, gave up and bought a cheap copy of the latest version. No problems since then. |
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Bob Eager wrote:
I had a Samsung scanner that wouldn't. At all. I gave it away to someone with Win 7. I installed Windows 10 on an all-in-one PC with a touchpanel that shipped with 7. I did manage to get the touchpanel to work on Windows 10, but it took a lot of messing with force-installing old versions of the Windows 7 drivers. Then a Windows 10 update came in and broke it. I never got it to work again. Theo |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? if win10 sees some applications it doesn't like, it just tends to remove them during the upgrade ... it's only done this with "small utilities" to me, not eg whole office suites. Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. backup the PC, download the Win10 Media Creation Tool, put it on a 8GB+ usb stick, boot from the stick, and do an upgrade install ... should just work, I've done dozens. |
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The process took about six hours for each computer. You should wind the handle faster! |
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On 24/06/2020 16:14, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:42:36 +0100, Fredxx wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. Why not use the Microsoft ISO/USB tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 I use the USB stick route. It's simple to use. Although if you go down the DVD route you'll need media burning software. To my knowledge all Windows 7 apps will all work on Windows 10. I haven't found one that hasn't (64bit). I had a Samsung scanner that wouldn't. At all. I gave it away to someone with Win 7. Win 10 scanner app handles my 1999 epson perfection 1200Photo scanner without any problem. |
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The one thing I'd like to see in windows 10, is the ability to keep software
as installed, ie all the registry entries etc. I know for example that the adapted version of Outlook Express I am using here in windows 7cos I hate other solutions, will be unceremoniously trashed by windows 10, but will re install, but minus all the registry entries built up in kill files message rules etc over many years. If the damn thing can work in 10, which it does, why trash it? Cos they have to power to tell you they want you to get Microsoft 365 subscription and use outlook, a sledgehammer of a program. Come on Microsoft bring back some more domestic software at an affordable price or let us use the old stuff. The same thing will happen to my old version of word as well of course, but that won't run. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Pancho" wrote in message ... On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. Idiots, guide... (well we really don't know what you have, but this is my procedure) Backup the files you want. Buy a 250GB ssd for about £30 replace the laptop drive, keep the old drive, just in case you have forgotten some files. Install W10 fresh from USB (software downloaded from Microsoft). Activate using Win7 credentials or £2 licence off ebay if they don't work.. Copy back the files you want. |
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You must have enough room on the drive though, so my feeling is to clone 7
over to a bigger drive, keep the old drive and update the new one, you can roll back anyway, but not after a certain time. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. Just get it here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 and let it get on with it. |
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Pancho wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. Idiots, guide... (well we really don't know what you have, but this is my procedure) Backup the files you want. Buy a 250GB ssd for about £30 replace the laptop drive, keep the old drive, just in case you have forgotten some files. I've already changed the HD to an SSD by cloning the original HD. Which is now in a caddy, and where I've backed up to. Install W10 fresh from USB (software downloaded from Microsoft). Activate using Win7 credentials or £2 licence off ebay if they don't work.. Copy back the files you want. That would mean re-installing all the non MS apps I use. I do realise some if not all will need updating, but hoped this could be done as part of the process. -- *By the time a man is wise enough to watch his step, he's too old to go anywhere. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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That would mean re-installing all the non MS apps I use. I do realise some if not all will need updating, but hoped this could be done as part of the process. no need to wipe your ssd, or perform a clean install, just do an upgrade install, mostly it'll survive |
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On 25/06/2020 10:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Pancho wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. Idiots, guide... (well we really don't know what you have, but this is my procedure) Backup the files you want. Buy a 250GB ssd for about £30 replace the laptop drive, keep the old drive, just in case you have forgotten some files. I've already changed the HD to an SSD by cloning the original HD. Which is now in a caddy, and where I've backed up to. Install W10 fresh from USB (software downloaded from Microsoft). Activate using Win7 credentials or £2 licence off ebay if they don't work.. Copy back the files you want. That would mean re-installing all the non MS apps I use. I do realise some if not all will need updating, but hoped this could be done as part of the process. Yep. My strategy is partly safety and partly good housekeeping, but if you already have the original disk for safety, just run the automatic upgrade and see what happens. FWIW Thunderbird really is quite good, I would recommend using it rather than Outlook Express. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
... I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. Be cautious about proprietary backup processes which back up parts of the PC to a humungous backup file. You would need the same program on the recipient PC (ie after upgrade to Win10) to extract any files that hadn't been preserved. I tend to use Microsoft SyncToy (other similar programs are available, such as Robocopy) which make a simple file-and-folder backup of selected directories, so you can do a simple copy of selected files or folders from the backup drive, without needing special software to extract them from the amorphous single backup file. As a tip, open Control Panel | Programs and Features and screenprint the list of all the installed programs, so you know what to put back if the upgrade doesn't preserve it. Also take a screenshot of the desktop so the layout of the icons that you have carefully arranged (if you're anything like me!) can be restored. Maybe also find how your browser stored saved username/password for sites, and either copy the relevant files or screenprint a list of them. Make sure you have a copy of all the email files and folders in case the upgrade screws them up. Likewise make sure you know email settings (POP/SMTP servers, ports, encryption method, username/password) in case you need to re-make anything. In short: assume that the upgrade process will make a real hash of the upgrade, leaving the PC in a worse state than it started - and be pleasantly surprised if it works OK ;-) |
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On 24/06/2020 20:51, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
You must have enough room on the drive though, so my feeling is to clone 7 over to a bigger drive, keep the old drive and update the new one, you can roll back anyway, but not after a certain time. You need about 10GB free... you might get away with a bit less. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Updating Win7 to Win10
On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. I would start with the media creation tool. If doing more than one machine, then you have it make a bootable USB drive rather than telling it to update the machine its on (it will save having to download it multiple times). Having said that, if you have fast broadband, then you may not care (it downloads about 3.5G). Prior to running it, make sure you are up to date with windows update, and there are none pending on next reboot. If you have optional drivers than can be updated by windows update, then let it do those. Run the disk cleanup tool, an let it delete all the temporary files etc. Once you are ready, boot from the USB drive, and follow the prompts. Skip entering the serial number. If you want to use the media creation tool directly, then running it from an admin level command prompt with the command line: MediaCreationTool2004 /Action UpgradeNow will get shot of some of the interactive bits - basically just asking you to accept the license terms and then getting on with it. I find with the prep, it takes about 10 to 30 mins of my time per machine. The process (with decent broadband, i5 CPU and solid state drive) probably about 40 mins to an hour to complete. Can be quite a bit longer on slower hardware. It is successful most of the time, and when it does fail it has always done so gracefully so far, and restarted back in Win7. Most of the failures are things like disk space, or somewhat messed up windows update states. Deleting the whole C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution Then re-running windows update will fix most of those. On more obscure hardware (older laptops etc[1]), deleting the display driver and reverting to the windows basic display driver before doing the update can help. The last gottcha I find now and then is on machines with insufficient space in the system reserved partition - it needs about 300MB or so of space. I have posted a procedure for fixing that here in the past. [1] I did have one dell laptop that booted normally into 10, but then gave a completely blank screen when it switched to the final desktop screen. I found it would however let you plug in an external monitor and could switch to that ok. At that point I had to flash the BIOS to a later version to fix the internal screen problem. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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The CD arrived this morning. Instructions with it says to turn off
upgrades on the choices early on. Which I did. It then stopped saying the Realtek Bluetooth Radio driver had to be updated before it could proceed. Then spent ages trying to find the new driver for my laptop without success. Including at the HP and Realtek sites. Turned on auto upgrade and it is now installing. ;-) So I'd guess it found it. -- *Reality is the illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 25/06/2020 11:32, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote: That would mean re-installing all the non MS apps I use. I do realise some if not all will need updating, but hoped this could be done as part of the process. no need to wipe your ssd, or perform a clean install, just do an upgrade install, mostly it'll survive But back everything up at least twice and to independent media. And ideally verify that the saved backup data matches the original. If something goes wrong then Murphy's law applies and the damage will inevitably hit the most irreplaceable data that you have on the disk. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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I would start with the media creation tool. If doing more than one machine, then you have it make a bootable USB drive rather than telling it to update the machine its on (it will save having to download it multiple times). Having said that, if you have fast broadband, then you may not care (it downloads about 3.5G). Prior to running it, make sure you are up to date with windows update, and there are none pending on next reboot. If you have optional drivers than can be updated by windows update, then let it do those. One thing I have noticed is that the media creation tool uses the latest version of windows 10 which can be a time saver as all the security updates are rolled into it. This then has two benefits. The first is that you do not need to waste time downloading and installing windows 10 updates after installing WIn 10. The second is that if you install older versions of windows 10, there is a security risk until you have downloaded and installed the updates. By using the latest updated version of win 10 form the start reduces the risk. |
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On 24/06/2020 15:36, Pancho wrote:
On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. Idiots, guide... (well we really don't know what you have, but this is my procedure) Backup the files you want. Buy a 250GB ssd for about £30 replace the laptop drive, keep the old drive, just in case you have forgotten some files. Install W10 fresh from USB (software downloaded from Microsoft). Activate using Win7 credentials or £2 licence off ebay if they don't work.. Copy back the files you want. This. Don't **** about upgrading in place. New disk and start from scratch. Reinstall only what you use when you need it instead of curating a sack of cack software of questionable vintage and security status. If your laptop came pre-installed with Win7 (i.e Dell or HP or Lenovo etc.) your licence will be in the BIOS already and W10 should re-licence itself when it reboots after installing drivers etc. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. Be cautious about proprietary backup processes which back up parts of the PC to a humungous backup file. You would need the same program on the recipient PC (ie after upgrade to Win10) to extract any files that hadn't been preserved. Yes, but the bit advantage of using one of those for the backup is that it can do it while you use the PC and so you don't have to do something else while doing the backup and the backup is usually much quicker too. I tend to use Microsoft SyncToy (other similar programs are available, such as Robocopy) which make a simple file-and-folder backup of selected directories, so you can do a simple copy of selected files or folders from the backup drive, without needing special software to extract them from the amorphous single backup file. But those are quite crude performance wise. As a tip, open Control Panel | Programs and Features and screenprint the list of all the installed programs, so you know what to put back if the upgrade doesn't preserve it. Also take a screenshot of the desktop so the layout of the icons that you have carefully arranged (if you're anything like me!) can be restored. I don't use the desktop at all anymore since 7. I find the taskbar much more useful now. Maybe also find how your browser stored saved username/password for sites, and either copy the relevant files or screenprint a list of them. A proper image backup is much safer. If you find that something like that is needed, the most you have to do is image the new install, restore the old install, get that stuff from the wherever it is, restore the new install and move that stuff manually. Make sure you have a copy of all the email files and folders in case the upgrade screws them up. I don't do that anymore either, I leave them all on the server and read and write them using the app. Likewise make sure you know email settings (POP/SMTP servers, ports, encryption method, username/password) in case you need to re-make anything. Ditto. In short: assume that the upgrade process will make a real hash of the upgrade, leaving the PC in a worse state than it started - and be pleasantly surprised if it works OK ;-) But a full image of the original install does that much better. |
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:39:17 PM UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2020 16:14, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:42:36 +0100, Fredxx wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. Why not use the Microsoft ISO/USB tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 I use the USB stick route. It's simple to use. Although if you go down the DVD route you'll need media burning software. To my knowledge all Windows 7 apps will all work on Windows 10. I haven't found one that hasn't (64bit). I had a Samsung scanner that wouldn't. At all. I gave it away to someone with Win 7. Too late for you, but for anyone else with a similar problem try the free version of VueScan on Win 10 which seems to cope with every scanner ever invented. If you like it, the full version for about £50 is good. (Just used this to re-use an old Dimage, but now I use it on my Canon Lide and Brother "all in 1" too. Only one user interface to remember). The free version of VueScan watermarks all its pages, doesn't it? ie. it's of no intrinsic use except to get you to buy the full version. I would be keen to try out VueScan more (it can work under Linux, and that would allow me to ditch needing a VM to run my scanner SW). But that model I find irritating. |
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"Pancho" wrote in message ... On 25/06/2020 10:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Pancho wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. Idiots, guide... (well we really don't know what you have, but this is my procedure) Backup the files you want. Buy a 250GB ssd for about £30 replace the laptop drive, keep the old drive, just in case you have forgotten some files. I've already changed the HD to an SSD by cloning the original HD. Which is now in a caddy, and where I've backed up to. Install W10 fresh from USB (software downloaded from Microsoft). Activate using Win7 credentials or £2 licence off ebay if they don't work.. Copy back the files you want. That would mean re-installing all the non MS apps I use. I do realise some if not all will need updating, but hoped this could be done as part of the process. Yep. My strategy is partly safety and partly good housekeeping, but if you already have the original disk for safety, just run the automatic upgrade and see what happens. FWIW Thunderbird really is quite good, I would recommend using it rather than Outlook Express. Too many complaints about it for my liking and those having to run old versions for some reason. |
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jkn wrote:
On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:39:17 PM UTC+1, newshound wrote: On 24/06/2020 16:14, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:42:36 +0100, Fredxx wrote: On 24/06/2020 15:10:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. Why not use the Microsoft ISO/USB tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 I use the USB stick route. It's simple to use. Although if you go down the DVD route you'll need media burning software. To my knowledge all Windows 7 apps will all work on Windows 10. I haven't found one that hasn't (64bit). I had a Samsung scanner that wouldn't. At all. I gave it away to someone with Win 7. Too late for you, but for anyone else with a similar problem try the free version of VueScan on Win 10 which seems to cope with every scanner ever invented. If you like it, the full version for about £50 is good. (Just used this to re-use an old Dimage, but now I use it on my Canon Lide and Brother "all in 1" too. Only one user interface to remember). The free version of VueScan watermarks all its pages, doesn't it? ie. it's of no intrinsic use except to get you to buy the full version. I would be keen to try out VueScan more (it can work under Linux, and that would allow me to ditch needing a VM to run my scanner SW). But that model I find irritating. Could you rotate the paper, do several scans, and recover the bits not watermarked ? :-) Paul |
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mm0fmf wrote: This. Don't **** about upgrading in place. New disk and start from scratch. Reinstall only what you use when you need it instead of curating a sack of cack software of questionable vintage and security status. I'm not in the habit of installing software I'll not use. ;-) If your laptop came pre-installed with Win7 (i.e Dell or HP or Lenovo etc.) your licence will be in the BIOS already and W10 should re-licence itself when it reboots after installing drivers etc. The upgrade CD I bought came with a key, which wasn't needed. -- *Home cooking. Where many a man thinks his wife is. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:37:29 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , mm0fmf wrote: This. Don't **** about upgrading in place. New disk and start from scratch. Reinstall only what you use when you need it instead of curating a sack of cack software of questionable vintage and security status. I'm not in the habit of installing software I'll not use. ;-) I think he was talking about the 'shovelware' that often comes with a laptop bought though the std retail network. They come with all sorts of crud pre-installed, both makers own utilities (that few ever use) and other stuff, like Norton AV as a way of reducing the price. Whenever I've had to replace a failed hard drive for someone, I rarely re-install (download or an extra utilities CD, if they have kept it that is) anything, yet the PC works fine (and often faster). The only issue is if it came with the likes of Office installed, and they say they need it. Libre Office/OO is often a useable replacement, as long as they were only using it for the odd letter or the kids homework. Mind you, if they have kids in full time education they can often get MS Office free in any case. If your laptop came pre-installed with Win7 (i.e Dell or HP or Lenovo etc.) your licence will be in the BIOS already and W10 should re-licence itself when it reboots after installing drivers etc. The upgrade CD I bought I really don't get that .... same as a mate who has 'bought' Linux DVD's that you can download and put on DVD / USB the same day yourself? came with a key, which wasn't needed. Possibly just as well, as you never know if / when it get's blacklisted. ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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On 25/06/2020 23:35, Rod Speed wrote:
FWIW Thunderbird really is quite good, I would recommend using it rather than Outlook Express. Too many complaints about it for my liking and those having to run old versions for some reason. I switched from Outlook Express to Thunderbird many years ago (10+?), at the time the usability was about the same. In the interim Thunderbird has improved a lot, Outlook Express hasn't changed. |
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:10:19 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: My banking app is nagging me to do this, so suppose I must. I'll do my Win7 Pro laptop first. Have Googled it, but as usual as many questions as answers. Ideally, the update would retain all my files data and apps. Obviously some apps may need updating too - but assume they'd tell me if this is so, if it doesn't happen by magic? Ebay has plenty CDs etc for sale for a modest sum that promise to do just this. I do have the laptop backed up - using the Win7 facility - to an external HD. Would I be able to retrieve my files from that if anything goes wrong to the new Win10 while installing? Or should I do a second backup of the files I know I might want later? JPGs and so on. As usual, an idiots guide would be appreciated. I did two laptop machines in March, a Win7 pro and a Win 7 Home edition (actually a Netbook). Both OEM so came supplied with the OS. The procedure I followed and itworked on both with no particular messing was: 1) Take a backup first. Personally I like Clonezilla but the free Macrium Reflect also would work. 2 Ceate a USB with the Windows 10 Media Creation disk 3 Boot into Win7 as usual on the machine you want to convert (I won't use the term upgrade). 4) Browse to and run the Setup on the USB Media Creation disk. All programs, data etc and licensing maintained. Can't recall how long it took, couple of hours. I wire the ethernet connection on jobs like this. Good luck. -- AnthonyL Why do scientists need to BELIEVE in anything? |
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"Pancho" wrote in message ... On 25/06/2020 23:35, Rod Speed wrote: FWIW Thunderbird really is quite good, I would recommend using it rather than Outlook Express. Too many complaints about it for my liking and those having to run old versions for some reason. I switched from Outlook Express to Thunderbird many years ago (10+?), at the time the usability was about the same. In the interim Thunderbird has improved a lot, And has seen plenty seeing stuff get broken. Like the current comment about an alleged security breach. Outlook Express hasn't changed. And that is one of the big advantages of it. |
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 11:39:33 +0100, T i m wrote:
came with a key, which wasn't needed. Possibly just as well, as you never know if / when it get's blacklisted. ;-( Don't need a key for Win 10 anyway. You can download the iso install it and use it without having to pay to "activate" it. Some of the personalisation doesn't work and there is a light overlay in the bottom right corner "Activate Windows" otherwise it fuctions exactly the same as an "activated" Windows 10. There is also a "bare bones" Windows 10 out there somewhere that may not include concertina or the nagging to "login into windows" and/or one dive etc. -- Cheers Dave. |
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