In article , Graeme
scribeth thus
In message ,
Muddymike writes
I must add that I m a fan of the iPhone is a brilliant business tool.
I'm on my third. It not only makes calls but can make them for free to
anywhere in the world using the stupidly named "Facetime Voice"

It allows me to handle email anywhere.
Fingerprint recognition means no PIN to remember.
I can read my Dropbox documents anywhere.
I can listen to my favourite Radio 4 shows when I want to.
It will direct me when I'm lost. (it was fantastic when walking around
a strange part of London last week.
I can check what's on TV and watch it if I want to.
Its my Dash cam.
I can order things I need as soon as I realise I need it.
It's a calculator.
Its a very good camera for basic photography and video.
It will give me a weather forecast.
Siri Understands me almost word perfect and is much quicker and more
accurate than my typing.

(Tangent) Given that I'm not an Apple fan, which reasonably priced
alternative does most/all of the above?

Motorola Moto G series.

Its a blokes phone not like those girly iphones that break the screen
when you put any pressure on them.

Had a bloke in the other day came from out Sudbury way, mobile iphone
screen repair services. Only seems he does iphones ...

£100 odd quid a go. You can buy a new Motorola for that sort of money..

--
Tony Sayer

In message , tony sayer
writes

(Tangent) Given that I'm not an Apple fan, which reasonably priced
alternative does most/all of the above?

Motorola Moto G series.

Thanks. Several people have made the same recommendation. I'm assuming
3G is still perfectly adequate for most everyday needs. Various options
for less than a hundred pounds. 3G, 32GB etc.
--
Graeme

Graeme wrote:

I'm assuming 3G is still perfectly adequate for most everyday needs

Three or four years ago, I was an early adopter of a 4G phone, coverage
was patchy, but when you got coverage there were very few users and it
was possible to get speeds up to 35Mbps.

Now 4G coverage has improved, but the number of users has also increased
and I find HSPA+ and LTE signals can end up giving similar speeds of
around 10Mbps ... which are still plenty for the most things I do on a
smartphone

En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

Motorola Moto G series.

+1.

I got one (the 2015 model) for my elderly, somewhat technophobic mom,
not expecting her to cope with it at all, but she took to it like a duck
to water.

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(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On 11/05/2017 23:45, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Graeme
scribeth thus

(Tangent) Given that I'm not an Apple fan, which reasonably priced
alternative does most/all of the above?

Motorola Moto G series.

+1

Although my original G3 bricked itself just before the end of the years
warrantee I got a replacement G4 that has lasted a couple of years now
as a replacement (G3 no longer available when mine failed).

My decision was actually based on raw battery life which if you have
frugal settings can be nearly a week between charges. These days I have
various apps that run continuously and still get three days or so.

I gather the G5 isn't quite as well made as earlier models.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/motoro...verdict-page-4

Its a blokes phone not like those girly iphones that break the screen
when you put any pressure on them.

My G4 has survived dropping a few times and has a chip on the gorilla
glass to prove it. I had to grind the sharps off but it was fine.

Had a bloke in the other day came from out Sudbury way, mobile iphone
screen repair services. Only seems he does iphones ...

£100 odd quid a go. You can buy a new Motorola for that sort of money..

Indeed and it is a damn good phone for the price.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 11/05/2017 23:45, tony sayer wrote:

£100 odd quid a go. You can buy a new Motorola for that sort of money..

Indeed and it is a damn good phone for the price.

Thanks all. Are we discussing something like

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Mobile-Ph...la-Moto-G4-16G
B-SIM-Free-Black/B01GZZK9XQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494578531&sr=8-1&keyw
ords=motorola+moto+g4

or

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Motoro...Android-Wifi-2
GB-RAM-32GB-Unlocked-Smartphone-/322447423851?hash=item4b135d396b:g:KS8AA
OSwsW9YwfEY

I'm not sure what the difference is, apart from the price. Unlocked,
4G, 16GB storage, 2GB RAM etc.
--
Graeme

On 12/05/2017 09:48, Graeme wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 11/05/2017 23:45, tony sayer wrote:

£100 odd quid a go. You can buy a new Motorola for that sort of money..

Indeed and it is a damn good phone for the price.

Thanks all. Are we discussing something like

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Mobile-Ph...la-Moto-G4-16G
B-SIM-Free-Black/B01GZZK9XQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494578531&sr=8-1&keyw
ords=motorola+moto+g4

or

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Motoro...Android-Wifi-2
GB-RAM-32GB-Unlocked-Smartphone-/322447423851?hash=item4b135d396b:g:KS8AA
OSwsW9YwfEY

I'm not sure what the difference is, apart from the price. Unlocked,
4G, 16GB storage, 2GB RAM etc.

Pretty much. You have to be a little bit wary of unusually low priced
ones on Amazon and eBay as they may well be grey imports that are
intended for the Arab, Indian or Far East markets (ie. no UK guarantee).

Some colours seem to carry a premium price - no idea why.

If you are prepared to accept no guarantee eyes open then go for it.

In a shop you can check that the packaging is not entirely in Arabic or
Chinese with only the front cover saying "Moto G" in Roman script.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 11/05/2017 23:45, tony sayer wrote:

Motorola Moto G series.

Its a blokes phone not like those girly iphones that break the screen
when you put any pressure on them.

Had a bloke in the other day came from out Sudbury way, mobile iphone
screen repair services. Only seems he does iphones ...

£100 odd quid a go. You can buy a new Motorola for that sort of money..


I think I must have dropped my bosses iPhone and his kids iPlayer into a
repair shop at least five or six times in the last three years.
They do appear to break very easily but that may be the fashion for not
having a decent case on them.

In message , Martin Brown
writes

In a shop you can check that the packaging is not entirely in Arabic or
Chinese with only the front cover saying "Moto G" in Roman script.

Point noted. Thanks.
--
Graeme

On 12/05/2017 15:51, dennis@home wrote:
On 11/05/2017 23:45, tony sayer wrote:

Motorola Moto G series.

Its a blokes phone not like those girly iphones that break the screen
when you put any pressure on them.

Had a bloke in the other day came from out Sudbury way, mobile iphone
screen repair services. Only seems he does iphones ...

£100 odd quid a go. You can buy a new Motorola for that sort of money..


I think I must have dropped my bosses iPhone and his kids iPlayer into a
repair shop at least five or six times in the last three years.
They do appear to break very easily but that may be the fashion for not
having a decent case on them.

I manage a mobile phone contract that includes 12 iPhones. We are now on
the fourth generation, so that's 48 units over 7 years. In that time
only four have needed repair including my own iPhone 5s that I drove my
car over after it slipped from my pocket on getting in. Interestingly
despite components hanging out of the back it still worked!
Two were due to them falling from users breast pockets into the toilet.
One after the user (our MD) got soaking wet at an outdoor concert with
phone in pocket.

I do insist all users have protective cases.

Mike

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 11/05/2017 23:45, tony sayer wrote:

Motorola Moto G series.

Its a blokes phone not like those girly iphones that break the screen
when you put any pressure on them.

Had a bloke in the other day came from out Sudbury way, mobile iphone
screen repair services. Only seems he does iphones ...

£100 odd quid a go. You can buy a new Motorola for that sort of money..

I think I must have dropped my bosses iPhone and his kids iPlayer into a
repair shop at least five or six times in the last three years. They do
appear to break very easily

Only if you are too stupid to put them in a
lifeproof case if you drop everything you touch.

but that may be the fashion for not having a decent case on them.

Or too stupid to do that coz dad keeps fixing them.

Muddymike wrote:
On 12/05/2017 15:51, dennis@home wrote:
On 11/05/2017 23:45, tony sayer wrote:

Motorola Moto G series.

Its a blokes phone not like those girly iphones that break the screen
when you put any pressure on them.

Had a bloke in the other day came from out Sudbury way, mobile iphone
screen repair services. Only seems he does iphones ...

£100 odd quid a go. You can buy a new Motorola for that sort of money..


I think I must have dropped my bosses iPhone and his kids iPlayer into a
repair shop at least five or six times in the last three years.
They do appear to break very easily but that may be the fashion for not
having a decent case on them.

I manage a mobile phone contract that includes 12 iPhones. We are now on
the fourth generation, so that's 48 units over 7 years. In that time
only four have needed repair including my own iPhone 5s that I drove my
car over after it slipped from my pocket on getting in. Interestingly
despite components hanging out of the back it still worked!
Two were due to them falling from users breast pockets into the toilet.
One after the user (our MD) got soaking wet at an outdoor concert with
phone in pocket.

I doubt that the iPhone knockers will believe you though. I've had several
iPhones and they've all proved to be pretty robust and have coped with a
lot of damp conditions too.

When repairs have been needed I've always managed to DIY them and they've
been cheap to repair. They are bl**dy expensive though and I've just
switched to an android phone. Regretting it already.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 12/05/2017 20:35, Tim+ wrote:


I doubt that the iPhone knockers will believe you though. I've had several
iPhones and they've all proved to be pretty robust and have coped with a
lot of damp conditions too.

I bet you haven't dropped one in a bowl of water though.
I have dropped mine in a pool and it still works, but its not an iPhone.

When repairs have been needed I've always managed to DIY them and they've
been cheap to repair. They are bl**dy expensive though and I've just
switched to an android phone. Regretting it already.

Which android phone and why are you regretting it?

En el artículo . com,
dennis@home.? escribió:

I bet you haven't dropped one in a bowl of water though.

Dropped mine in the toilet. Still rocking. Mate dropped his in the sea
(beach bum). Still works.

Shops round here do replacement screens for 15 quid for used, 30 quid
for new. 5 minute job. shrug

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(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like ring...

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end
the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down
bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no relationship
to making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure which
one does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the
phone.But that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone
sim in, and there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I
am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.



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The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

Yes Gmail is a bigger heap of ****.