In article ,
John Gardener wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 08/05/17 09:15, Muddymike wrote:
On 05/05/2017 23:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

I just don't have time to read all the replies to this but did it have a
little moon symbol showing top right on screen?

Is so its set to "Do not disturb"

No. It didn't.

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'

It is the only switch on the bloody thing.

Is there no power switch?

Nope, that has never been a switch.

but there is software switch will allows you to turn the thing off.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

En el artículo , Huge
escribió:

I won't buy anything (else) made by Samsung.

Pity, because they do make very good phones. Look around you next time
you're in a public place, everybody's using one.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

En el artículo , Huge
escribió:

I'm thinking about either a ONE+ or a Google Pixel.

Be warned of Google's attitude to 'phone support.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0..._nexus_phones/

"As the table shows, Google gives customers two years of Android update
support and just three years of security patch support - at best"

"Similarly, Google's Pixel and Pixel XL phones, launched in October
2016, will stop getting guaranteed Android updates from October 2018 and
security fixes a year later"

whereas my five year old iPhone still gets regular updates.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On Monday, 8 May 2017 10:58:56 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/17 09:44, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 08/05/17 09:23, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'

It is the only switch on the bloody thing.

Is there no power switch?

I think there is one button on the front that does various strange
things depending on what is running at the time. Its equally
nonsensical. What it does depends in what is already going on.

The phone it seems never turns off. I saw no way to get the battery
out either.

At best it goes into 'standby' mode

Humph. I have no experience of the things since AFAIAC a PAYG phone,
normally turned off, is perfectly adequate (SWMBO also).

But now that SWMBO has assumed certain responsibilities, she feels she
may need to actually get one of these things (or equivalent) so she can
get email etc while out and about. So I follow this thread with some
interest, as I have been told off to look into it.

Well my advice is to learn the thing, not expect too much, and learn to
use it one CrappyAp„¢ at a time...

silly advice.

On Monday, 8 May 2017 11:29:30 UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article ,
John Gardener wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'

It is the only switch on the bloody thing.

Is there no power switch?

Nope, that has never been a switch.

but there is software switch will allows you to turn the thing off.

No it makes it pretend to turn off. Of course that's true of all current smart phones.


NT

On 08/05/17 11:07, John Gardener wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 08/05/17 09:23, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 08/05/17 09:15, Muddymike wrote:
On 05/05/2017 23:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

I just don't have time to read all the replies to this but did it
have a
little moon symbol showing top right on screen?

Is so its set to "Do not disturb"

No. It didn't.

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'

It is the only switch on the bloody thing.

Is there no power switch?

I think there is one button on the front that does various strange
things depending on what is running at the time. Its equally
nonsensical. What it does depends in what is already going on.

The phone it seems never turns off.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.

I saw no way to get the battery out either.

At best it goes into 'standby' mode

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.


Oh dear another nymshift?

I was called upon to do emergency support on an Iphone. I have been led
to believe that Iphones are so simple they dont need an instruction
manual, which is why one is not supplied.

Basically the marketing lies. They are fussy, counter unintuitive, and
have an appalling user interface.

I merely reported in a humorous way on what happens when you go in on
the basis they are so simple even an idiot can understand them.

I assume most people get someone else to do it for them, as I was asked
to. Unfortunately I remain completely uninterested in supporting for
free a not nearly cheap enough cheap piece of badly designed consumer tat.

My total exposure to an Iphone is about 4 hours, most of it spent trying
to work out how to get past the menu system's utter lack of logic.


--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

On 08/05/17 11:27, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
Pity, because they do make very good phones. Look around you next time
you're in a public place, everybody's using one.

Only Mike Tomlinson could utter such a facile non sequitur with a
straight face.

Is your chest medallion from Rattners?

--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 08/05/17 10:52, Andy Burns wrote:
Huge wrote:

Graeme wrote:

Given that I'm not an Apple fan, which reasonably priced
alternative does most/all of the above?

Depends what you mean by "reasonably priced".
I'm thinking about either a ONE+ or a Google Pixel.

Good phones but with the Pixel, google have leapt to apple pricing, no
longer fits my definition of "reasonable"

Agreed. However, I'll probably go for a Pixel next round (on contract)
as my phone is the 2nd most important tool I use every day, the other
being my laptop.

On 08/05/17 11:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/17 11:07, John Gardener wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 08/05/17 09:23, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 08/05/17 09:15, Muddymike wrote:
On 05/05/2017 23:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him
on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

I just don't have time to read all the replies to this but did it
have a
little moon symbol showing top right on screen?

Is so its set to "Do not disturb"

No. It didn't.

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'

It is the only switch on the bloody thing.

Is there no power switch?

I think there is one button on the front that does various strange
things depending on what is running at the time. Its equally
nonsensical. What it does depends in what is already going on.

The phone it seems never turns off.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.

I saw no way to get the battery out either.

At best it goes into 'standby' mode

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.


Oh dear another nymshift?

I was called upon to do emergency support on an Iphone. I have been led
to believe that Iphones are so simple they dont need an instruction
manual, which is why one is not supplied.

Basically the marketing lies. They are fussy, counter unintuitive, and
have an appalling user interface.

I merely reported in a humorous way on what happens when you go in on
the basis they are so simple even an idiot can understand them.

I assume most people get someone else to do it for them, as I was asked
to. Unfortunately I remain completely uninterested in supporting for
free a not nearly cheap enough cheap piece of badly designed consumer tat.

My total exposure to an Iphone is about 4 hours, most of it spent trying
to work out how to get past the menu system's utter lack of logic.




Same with MacOSX - as a veteran computer user from 1980's mainframes to
Windows, Linux, Solaris, if I pick up a colleague's MacBook, it usually
results in 2 sentences:

1) How do I do blah

2) Just open a terminal for me, then I can help

They are NOT intuitive, not in any way, shape or form. Linux with a
sensible desktop manager is more intuitive to a Windows user.

It's just that most Mac users are long timers, so they are comfortable
with the interface.

Having said, I'm about to turn to the darkside and get one to share in
our house: daughter wants to do DAW + Music Score work, son wants to
have a go with simple animation, and I want something that runs Adobe
Lightroom and Photoshop properly. No objection - right tool, right jobs.

I'll still be using Ubuntu on a Dell for work!

On 08/05/17 12:02, Tim Watts wrote:
Same with MacOSX - as a veteran computer user from 1980's mainframes to
Windows, Linux, Solaris, if I pick up a colleague's MacBook, it usually
results in 2 sentences:

1) How do I do blah

2) Just open a terminal for me, then I can help

They are NOT intuitive, not in any way, shape or form. Linux with a
sensible desktop manager is more intuitive to a Windows user.

It's just that most Mac users are long timers, so they are comfortable
with the interface.

The first time I used a mac the first thing that completely foxed me was
the strip of screen across the top that appeared to change (part of)
what it said depending on what was happening on the rest of the screen.

Context sensitive menus?

What utter crap.

Yeah. Why not make the indicator switch stop the engine if you are going
round a corner?

You know it makes sense.

The ONLY thing a mac did marginally better than a windows PC was - well
- windows.

So if you needed as GUI, it was the best around.



--
€œIt is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
who pay no price for being wrong.€�

Thomas Sowell

In message , Huge
writes

I wouldn't buy an iPhone if they were all that was available.

Two things put me off iPhones. First was that God awful iTunes thing
that caused Wifey utter havoc, changing folders and file names to suit
Apple rather than the user. Second was trying to change a dead battery
in an iPhone.
--
Graeme

En el artículo , Graeme
escribió:

Second was trying to change a dead battery
in an iPhone.

Just done my iPhone 5. Took all of two minutes. The battery was 3.50
off ebay and I borrowed the tools.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

En el artículo , Huge
escribió:

I wouldn't buy an iPhone if they were all that was available.

I used to feel the same way until I was issued with one by work.

Just before retiring, backed it up in iTunes, wiped it, returned it to
employer. Bought another, restored the backup. Everything the apps,
contacts, chats, photos, books, contacts etc. present and correct, even
the half-written message in iMessages that I'd written on the previous
phone.

I don't have much time for Apple as a company but they do get some
things right.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On Monday, 8 May 2017 11:45:58 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/17 11:07, John Gardener wrote:

Oh dear another nymshift?

his desperation to be heard never ends. If he paused long enough to think, and stick to what he knows & cut the bs he actually would be.

I was called upon to do emergency support on an Iphone. I have been led
to believe that Iphones are so simple they dont need an instruction
manual, which is why one is not supplied.

Basically the marketing lies.

all marketing lies or misleads. that is not a criticism of iphones.

They are fussy, counter unintuitive, and
have an appalling user interface.

I merely reported in a humorous way on what happens when you go in on
the basis they are so simple even an idiot can understand them.

anyone approaching a computer on that basis is being naive

I assume most people get someone else to do it for them, as I was asked

Apple set it all up in the shop to your liking when you buy it

to. Unfortunately I remain completely uninterested in supporting for
free a not nearly cheap enough cheap piece of badly designed consumer tat.

My total exposure to an Iphone is about 4 hours, most of it spent trying
to work out how to get past the menu system's utter lack of logic.

It's just a computer.


NT

On 08/05/17 13:04, Huge wrote:
On 2017-05-08, Tim Watts wrote:

[73 lines snipped]

Same with MacOSX - as a veteran computer user from 1980's mainframes to
Windows, Linux, Solaris, if I pick up a colleague's MacBook, it usually
results in 2 sentences:

1) How do I do blah

2) Just open a terminal for me, then I can help

They are NOT intuitive, not in any way, shape or form. Linux with a
sensible desktop manager is more intuitive to a Windows user.

It's just that most Mac users are long timers, so they are comfortable
with the interface.

This is true for all GUI's.



Well yes - it's just the the Windows 95 paradigm turned out to be quite
good - and the more common linux WMs emulate it, at least conceptually:

Start button of some sort - check
Running apps get an icon on the bar - check
There's a clock.

I never quite got the Mac quickstart ribbon thingy - are they shortcuts,
or running apps, or both? And where the application menu that I can find
what's installed?

Mike Tomlinson wrote:

backed it up in iTunes, wiped it, returned it to
employer. Bought another, restored the backup. Everything the apps,
contacts, chats, photos, books, contacts etc. present and correct

And you don't think Android does that too? Buy new phone, "bonk" old
and new phones together with NFC, apps/accounts/contacts etc get
transferred to new phone ...

On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

I thought it did the card that comes in the box that tells yuo were the lightning connector and teh vol. etc. switches are.

The switch has a little red mark when set to silent and the graphic that comes up on the screen with a cross through it basicly meaning it won't ring but will vibrate.


So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like ring...

should have read the quick info card supplied with the iphone I did.



What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I
am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

or soemone that doesn't want to be distrubed by callers calling them.
oif I don;t want my landline rining I have to unplug it, and then I've no idea oif anyones calling or has called.

En el artículo , Andy Burns
escribió:

And you don't think Android does that too? Buy new phone, "bonk" old
and new phones together with NFC, apps/accounts/contacts etc get
transferred to new phone ...

The point was, I got everything transferred to a new phone and up and
running in no time, and it wouldn't have been anywhere as quick or easy
if I'd changed to an Android phone. This also pre-dated NFC

It made sense for me to get another iPhone at the time, even though I
would have preferred to get out of Apple's walled garden. The phone's
been pretty good to me - bought secondhand, it's survived several drops,
including one in the bog, and keeps on ticking. The battery lost its
ability to hold charge and was easy to replace. It's unlocked so I use
it in both UK and Spain. Because there's millions of them out there,
parts and accessories are widely available and dirt cheap.

It's a tool that does the job I ask of it, not a fashion statement.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On 08/05/2017 09:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/17 09:15, Muddymike wrote:
On 05/05/2017 23:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.


I just don't have time to read all the replies to this but did it have a
little moon symbol showing top right on screen?

Is so its set to "Do not disturb"

No. It didn't.

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'


It is the only switch on the bloody thing.

Easy to find then.

On 08/05/2017 11:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I was called upon to do emergency support on an Iphone. I have been led
to believe that Iphones are so simple they dont need an instruction
manual, which is why one is not supplied.

The same as linux then, no "man" doesn't count.


Basically the marketing lies. They are fussy, counter unintuitive, and
have an appalling user interface.

I merely reported in a humorous way on what happens when you go in on
the basis they are so simple even an idiot can understand them.

I assume most people get someone else to do it for them, as I was asked
to. Unfortunately I remain completely uninterested in supporting for
free a not nearly cheap enough cheap piece of badly designed consumer tat.

My total exposure to an Iphone is about 4 hours, most of it spent trying
to work out how to get past the menu system's utter lack of logic.

On 08/05/2017 12:02, Tim Watts wrote:


Same with MacOSX - as a veteran computer user from 1980's mainframes to
Windows, Linux, Solaris, if I pick up a colleague's MacBook, it usually
results in 2 sentences:

1) How do I do blah

2) Just open a terminal for me, then I can help

They are NOT intuitive, not in any way, shape or form. Linux with a
sensible desktop manager is more intuitive to a Windows user.

All computers are like that.
If you know what you are doing they are intuitive.


Best take a smart phone with you so you can google for stuff if you
can't work out how to get to google on the computer.

On Mon, 8 May 2017 14:35:36 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Mike Tomlinson wrote:

backed it up in iTunes, wiped it, returned it to employer. Bought
another, restored the backup. Everything the apps, contacts,
chats, photos, books, contacts etc. present and correct

And you don't think Android does that too? Buy new phone, "bonk"
old and new phones together with NFC, apps/accounts/contacts etc
get transferred to new phone ...

But what if you wanted to transfer the sim card? Can't run both at
the same time.

On 08/05/2017 13:17, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Huge
escribió:

I wouldn't buy an iPhone if they were all that was available.

I used to feel the same way until I was issued with one by work.

Just before retiring, backed it up in iTunes, wiped it, returned it to
employer. Bought another, restored the backup. Everything the apps,
contacts, chats, photos, books, contacts etc. present and correct, even
the half-written message in iMessages that I'd written on the previous
phone.


Pretty much like android, except it will keep two or more devices in
sync and not just backup and restore.

I can make calls using VoIP on my huddle using the contacts on my Z3 and
even answer calls to my Z3 on my huddle if I want to.

En el artículo . com,
dennis@home.? escribió:

Pretty much like android, except it will keep two or more devices in
sync and not just backup and restore.

Sync and backup are two completely different things. But you knew that
anyway.

I can make calls using VoIP on my huddle using the contacts on my Z3 and
even answer calls to my Z3 on my huddle if I want to.

So what?

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

"Graeme" wrote in message
...
In message , Muddymike
writes
I must add that I m a fan of the iPhone is a brilliant business tool. I'm
on my third. It not only makes calls but can make them for free to
anywhere in the world using the stupidly named "Facetime Voice"

It allows me to handle email anywhere.
Fingerprint recognition means no PIN to remember.
I can read my Dropbox documents anywhere.
I can listen to my favourite Radio 4 shows when I want to.
It will direct me when I'm lost. (it was fantastic when walking around a
strange part of London last week.
I can check what's on TV and watch it if I want to.
Its my Dash cam.
I can order things I need as soon as I realise I need it.
It's a calculator.
Its a very good camera for basic photography and video.
It will give me a weather forecast.
Siri Understands me almost word perfect and is much quicker and more
accurate than my typing.

(Tangent) Given that I'm not an Apple fan,

Why not ? Is that just blind prejudice ?

which reasonably priced alternative does most/all of the above?

Most of them if you avoid the very low end stuff.

BUT you wont get updates for the OS for anything
like as long so will be forced to replace it more
frequently than with an iphone if you want the
newer features which many do with an industry
that is moving as fast as the smartphone industry.

If you don't care about that, the Moto G is worth a look.

mechanic wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Buy new phone, "bonk" old and new phones together with NFC,
apps/accounts/contacts etc get transferred to new phone ...

But what if you wanted to transfer the sim card? Can't run both at
the same time.

The the other phone will either have to be on a temporary SIM, or on wifi.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 08/05/17 11:07, John Gardener wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 08/05/17 09:23, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 08/05/17 09:15, Muddymike wrote:
On 05/05/2017 23:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

I just don't have time to read all the replies to this but did it
have a
little moon symbol showing top right on screen?

Is so its set to "Do not disturb"

No. It didn't.

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'

It is the only switch on the bloody thing.

Is there no power switch?

I think there is one button on the front that does various strange
things depending on what is running at the time. Its equally
nonsensical. What it does depends in what is already going on.

The phone it seems never turns off.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.

I saw no way to get the battery out either.

At best it goes into 'standby' mode

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.

I was called upon to do emergency support on an Iphone.

And are such a terminal ****wit that you couldnt even manage
the most basic google of iphone doesnt ring for HOURS.

I have been led to believe that Iphones are so simple they dont need an
instruction manual, which is why one is not supplied.

One is in fact supplied and you are so ****ing
stupid you couldnt even google that either.

Basically the marketing lies.

Then you wont have any difficulty with
a cite for Apple saying anything like that.

They are fussy, counter unintuitive, and have an appalling user interface.

Nothing appalling about having a switch on
the side of the phone that mutes the phone
very quickly and which is even radical enough
to fill the ****ing screen with an icon with a
bell with bar thru it when you do that.

And it just happens to be next to the volume control buttons.

Have fun listing a more intuitive way to do that.

I merely reported in a humorous way on what happens when you go in on the
basis they are so simple even an idiot can understand them.

You in fact lied thru your ****ing teeth about the manual.

I assume most people get someone else to do it for them, as I was asked
to.

So your other lie that apple was so stupid that it didnt
list in detail how to insert the sim was always just that.

Unfortunately I remain completely uninterested in supporting for free a
not nearly cheap enough cheap piece of badly designed consumer tat.

Only a terminal ****wit such as yourself would try
to charge a fee for googling iphone doesnt ring

My total exposure to an Iphone is about 4 hours,

So its just a tad unlikely that you are in any position what
so ever to have anything to say about how usable they are.

most of it spent trying to work out how to get past the menu system's
utter lack of logic.

And so ****ing stupid that you can't even google the most basic stuff.

"John Gardener" wrote in message ...

Actually, there *is* a bigger of **** than an i-phone. It comes in various
guises, but a piece of **** by any other name is rod speed/hankat/john
gardener etc.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
news
On 08/05/17 11:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/17 11:07, John Gardener wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 08/05/17 09:23, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 08/05/17 09:15, Muddymike wrote:
On 05/05/2017 23:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him
on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

I just don't have time to read all the replies to this but did it
have a
little moon symbol showing top right on screen?

Is so its set to "Do not disturb"

No. It didn't.

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'

It is the only switch on the bloody thing.

Is there no power switch?

I think there is one button on the front that does various strange
things depending on what is running at the time. Its equally
nonsensical. What it does depends in what is already going on.

The phone it seems never turns off.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.

I saw no way to get the battery out either.

At best it goes into 'standby' mode

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a ****ing clue.


Oh dear another nymshift?

I was called upon to do emergency support on an Iphone. I have been led
to believe that Iphones are so simple they dont need an instruction
manual, which is why one is not supplied.

Basically the marketing lies. They are fussy, counter unintuitive, and
have an appalling user interface.

I merely reported in a humorous way on what happens when you go in on
the basis they are so simple even an idiot can understand them.

I assume most people get someone else to do it for them, as I was asked
to. Unfortunately I remain completely uninterested in supporting for
free a not nearly cheap enough cheap piece of badly designed consumer
tat.

My total exposure to an Iphone is about 4 hours, most of it spent trying
to work out how to get past the menu system's utter lack of logic.




Same with MacOSX - as a veteran computer user from 1980's mainframes to
Windows, Linux, Solaris, if I pick up a colleague's MacBook, it usually
results in 2 sentences:

1) How do I do blah

2) Just open a terminal for me, then I can help

They are NOT intuitive, not in any way, shape or form.

Thats bull****.

Linux with a sensible desktop manager is more intuitive to a Windows user.

Even sillier than you usually manage with a PHONE.

It's just that most Mac users are long timers, so they are comfortable
with the interface.

Having said, I'm about to turn to the darkside and get one to share in our
house: daughter wants to do DAW + Music Score work, son wants to have a go
with simple animation, and I want something that runs Adobe Lightroom and
Photoshop properly. No objection - right tool, right jobs.

And you will find that an iphone integrates with that much better than
other smartphones, allowing you to answering incoming calls on what
you happen to be using, start something on one and finish it on the
other etc etc etc.

I'll still be using Ubuntu on a Dell for work!

On Mon, 8 May 2017 18:23:20 +0100,
lid wrote:

If you know what you are doing they are intuitive.

Hahaha!

Graeme wrote
Huge wrote

I wouldn't buy an iPhone if they were all that was available.

Two things put me off iPhones. First was that God awful iTunes
thing that caused Wifey utter havoc, changing folders and file
names to suit Apple rather than the user.

You don't have to ever use it at all.

And the alternatives on non apple devices are even worse.

Second was trying to change a dead battery in an iPhone.

Bugger all smartphones don't have internal batterys now.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 08/05/2017 13:17, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Huge
escribió:

I wouldn't buy an iPhone if they were all that was available.

I used to feel the same way until I was issued with one by work.

Just before retiring, backed it up in iTunes, wiped it, returned it to
employer. Bought another, restored the backup. Everything the apps,
contacts, chats, photos, books, contacts etc. present and correct, even
the half-written message in iMessages that I'd written on the previous
phone.


Pretty much like android,

Nothing like android in fact given than
you can't just bonk with NFC with iphones.

except it will keep two or more devices in sync and not just backup and
restore.

I can make calls using VoIP on my huddle using the contacts on my Z3 and
even answer calls to my Z3 on my huddle if I want to.

And you can do much more than that on an iphone.

"mechanic" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 May 2017 18:23:20 +0100,
lid wrote:

If you know what you are doing they are intuitive.

Hahaha!

someone told me that "it's intuitive" the first time I was ever sat in front
of a spreadsheet (It happened to be 1-2-3)

an hour later, someone had to show me what to do :-)

tim

In message , tim...
writes

someone told me that "it's intuitive" the first time I was ever sat in
front of a spreadsheet (It happened to be 1-2-3)

an hour later, someone had to show me what to do :-)

You and me both, tim. Mine was 1-2-3 too, and I just didn't know the
concept. Once I started, I was OK, and soon discovered what it could
do, but initially ...

I'm in the same position now, with databases. People keep telling me I
should use a database rather than a spreadsheet for certain stuff, so I
keep opening LibreOffice Base, and reading online help, but I'm really
no further forward. I suppose I need Base for Dummies or some such
book.
--
Graeme

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like ring...

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end
the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down
bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no relationship
to making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure which
one does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the
phone.But that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone
sim in, and there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I
am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.




Mate..

You need a teenager around, my daughter can even change the screen on an
iphone!!..

--
Tony Sayer

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 06/05/17 08:10, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 02:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:31, Clive George wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours
and 25
minutes earlier.

The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide on the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.

Wrong, as always.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

That's no help unless you have an internet connected computer already

Or your iphone is working well enough to connect to the internet already.

Since there was no manual with the phone that told you how to even
insert the SIM card, which is totally non obvious, you are to use the
vernacular, totally ****ed before you even start.


Its almost as hilarious as the phone we bought for the geriatric FIL
with Big Buttons and Big Text so he could use it more easily.

He said 'I cant read the instruction manual: the print is too small!'

And it was, about 7 pt.

The more I learn about smart phones, the less I want one.



Motorola Moto 3G excellent unit wouldn't be without it now..
--
Tony Sayer

On 09/05/17 12:03, Graeme wrote:
In message , tim...
writes

someone told me that "it's intuitive" the first time I was ever sat in
front of a spreadsheet (It happened to be 1-2-3)

an hour later, someone had to show me what to do :-)

You and me both, tim. Mine was 1-2-3 too, and I just didn't know the
concept. Once I started, I was OK, and soon discovered what it could
do, but initially ...

I'm in the same position now, with databases. People keep telling me I
should use a database rather than a spreadsheet for certain stuff, so I
keep opening LibreOffice Base, and reading online help, but I'm really
no further forward. I suppose I need Base for Dummies or some such book.

I never never god the MS Access db stuff to work for me.

However programming MySQL in C was a snap.


--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 09/05/17 12:03, Graeme wrote:
In message , tim...
writes

someone told me that "it's intuitive" the first time I was ever sat in
front of a spreadsheet (It happened to be 1-2-3)

an hour later, someone had to show me what to do :-)

You and me both, tim. Mine was 1-2-3 too, and I just didn't know the
concept. Once I started, I was OK, and soon discovered what it could
do, but initially ...

I'm in the same position now, with databases. People keep telling me I
should use a database rather than a spreadsheet for certain stuff, so I
keep opening LibreOffice Base, and reading online help, but I'm really
no further forward. I suppose I need Base for Dummies or some such book.

I never never god the MS Access db stuff to work for me.

No surprises there, it took you hours to manage to google iphone doesnt
ring

In article , scribeth
thus


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 12:20, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Hankat
wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 06/05/17 11:19, Hankat wrote:

the point was that this phone and other apple products are marketed
as being really easy to use and get going.

And they are. Whoever sold you the ****ing phone will be
able to tell you how to insert the sim card if you are so ****ing
stupid that you can't work out where to get that basic info.

Er, Woddles, who might have been that "sold TNP the phone", then, since
no one did? It was a gift to the neighbour, who then asked TNP for
help.

We're not told who the gift was from.

BT. Bt sold him FTTC, and a mobile package, and a router and an i-phone
arrived.

The router has a known fault, that sometimes causes it to lock up. They
all do.

Mine doesnt.

But it more or less worked.

The I-phone came with nothing but a single sheet of cardboard showing how
to connect it to BTs network, starting with 'first insert sim card'

But no instructions on how to insert the sim card.

And you were so ****ing stupid you couldnt even


manage to suggest that he ask BT how to do that.


Christ if he did have a working phone anywhere how long would that
take?...
--
Tony Sayer

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 08/05/17 09:15, Muddymike wrote:
On 05/05/2017 23:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.


I just don't have time to read all the replies to this but did it have a
little moon symbol showing top right on screen?

Is so its set to "Do not disturb"

No. It didn't.

It had a little red switch on the side set to 'no ring'


It is the only switch on the bloody thing.


Mike




Having to put a sim card into a new iphone, not mine BTW, i could see
how some people might not know of that very small pinhole to release the
SIM carrier its not that obvious if you're had no experience of using
them. Especially if your sight might not be as good as it once was...

--
Tony Sayer