hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like ring...

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end
the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down
bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no relationship
to making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure which
one does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the
phone.But that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone
sim in, and there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I
am calling...

....Unless they have an I-phone of course.



--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end
the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down
bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no relationship
to making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure which
one does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the
phone.But that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone
sim in, and there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I
am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect. And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't RTFM. Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't something that has been established & settled over the years to the same extent that desktop winlin has.


NT

On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours and 25
minutes earlier.

On 06/05/2017 00:31, Clive George wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours and 25
minutes earlier.

The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide on the
phone as well.

Bill

En el artículo , The Natural Philosopher
escribió:

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off

PEBPAI.

Problem exists between phone and idiot.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

wrote in message
...
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like
ring...

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end
the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down
bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no relationship
to making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure which
one does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the
phone.But that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone
sim in, and there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I
am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.

Yep, much more consistent UI and much less configurable so you can't
end up with a situation where someone has accidently or deliberately
configured it so you can't work out what they have done easily.

I have in fact been caught by that problem myself. It isnt hard to
accidentally turn the physical switch off and not realise you have
done that. And there is no obvious indication of that on the screen.

And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't RTFM.

A device with as much effort put into the UI as iphones have had
shouldnt require you to RTFM to use them and iphones mostly
dont with stuff as basic as working out why it doesnt ring.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are
a whole lot of fancy crap over functionality.

This clearly isnt an example of that.

I suppose that the phone UI isn't something that has been established
& settled over the years to the same extent that desktop winlin has.

In fact there is nothing even remotely like settled with the desktop UI.

XP is nothing like Win10.

On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

At least Unix came with an online manual.


Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

And it came with a manual.


NT



--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 06/05/17 02:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:31, Clive George wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours and 25
minutes earlier.

The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide on the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.

Bill


--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least had
a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 02:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:31, Clive George wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of
'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours and 25
minutes earlier.

The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide on the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.

Wrong, as always.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

On 05/05/2017 23:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.


Given there's only a couple of physical buttons on the thing, it
wouldn't normally take too much in the way of deduction to conclude what
it does - and it gives a screen indication of 'mute' when it's toggled.
Seems you and your friend missed that.

Also, in the 'Settings' app type 'ring' into the search dialogue - your
friend will see a variety of other options - vibration patterns, alerts,
visual cues.


--
Cheers, Rob

En el artículo , The Natural Philosopher
escribió:

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone

Oh, yes there is. It's installed at the factory. You're just too
stupid to find it. An it's online he

http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

Your issue is a classic case of going at a problem like a bull in a
china shop farting about with the settings 'cos you think you know it
all. If you'd R the FM in the first place you wouldn't have made
yourself look a prat, would you?

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On 06/05/17 08:09, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.


No, they do not.

I actually opened the package. There was a sheet saying 'insert sim card'

It took me 2 hours to work out how to do that.

That was all it basically said.

This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.






--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

En el artículo , Rod Speed
escribió:

And there is no obvious indication of that on the screen.

Oh, that'll be why it pops up a "Ringer on/off" thing on the display
whenever I operate the switch, then. Even when it's in standby.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.
"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

A friend has lost his password to his icloud thing for email.

Apple's idea of password recovery is "shall we email your new password to your icloud address?"

No, because that's the password he's lost.

Owain

On 06/05/17 08:10, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 02:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:31, Clive George wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours
and 25
minutes earlier.

The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide on the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.

Wrong, as always.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

That's no help unless you have an internet connected computer already

Or your iphone is working well enough to connect to the internet already.

Since there was no manual with the phone that told you how to even
insert the SIM card, which is totally non obvious, you are to use the
vernacular, totally ****ed before you even start.


Its almost as hilarious as the phone we bought for the geriatric FIL
with Big Buttons and Big Text so he could use it more easily.

He said 'I cant read the instruction manual: the print is too small!'

And it was, about 7 pt.

The more I learn about smart phones, the less I want one.


--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On 06/05/17 09:14, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , The Natural Philosopher
escribió:

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone

Oh, yes there is. It's installed at the factory. You're just too
stupid to find it. An it's online he

http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

Your issue is a classic case of going at a problem like a bull in a
china shop farting about with the settings 'cos you think you know it
all. If you'd R the FM in the first place you wouldn't have made
yourself look a prat, would you?

Nowhere in the instructions that came with the phone does it say it has
a manual built in


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news

On 06/05/17 08:09, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.


No, they do not.

I actually opened the package. There was a sheet saying 'insert sim card'

It took me 2 hours to work out how to do that.

That was all it basically said.

This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBwDa1ohck

On 06/05/17 09:17, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Rod Speed
escribió:

And there is no obvious indication of that on the screen.

Oh, that'll be why it pops up a "Ringer on/off" thing on the display
whenever I operate the switch, then. Even when it's in standby.

I have no idea whether an alert popped up when my elderly neighbour
nudged it presumably with his finger while ansering a call. .

I certainly did not notice that when I turned it back on.

My point being that there is no PERMANENT rather than volatile
indication of the state.Like te little moon thing that comes up when you
put it into lunatic mode.


If I try and drive my car with the handbrake on, it shows me that the
handbrake is on. I dont need to be looking at the dashboard just at the
instant I put the handbrake on. Curiously enough that is the one time
when I KNOW I just put the handbrake on, and don't need reminding

In fact you have totally proved my point. Having an alert to tell you
you have just done something that you know you have just done, because
you just did it, is the most useless and superfluous piece of crap
programming yet.

Unless the whole point is to bedazzle the user with the cleverness and
complexity of the product by disguising the ****tiness of the underlying
hardware and software.

In your case its obvipously worked.


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

On 06/05/17 09:18, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.
"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

A friend has lost his password to his icloud thing for email.

Apple's idea of password recovery is "shall we email your new password to your icloud address?"

No, because that's the password he's lost.

Owain

That's like going on line to log the fact that you cant get online,
with your ISP.

I feel like sir Peter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpAV_FVPyoI

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No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.

Yes the windows phones.
Brian

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there is
a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu indicated it
was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old fashioned
and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like 'how
the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this heap of
unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like ring...

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end the
call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down bath
symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no relationship to
making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure which one
does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the phone.But
that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and
there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected to
copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I am
calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.



--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into
what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it
actually is.

On 06/05/17 09:18, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.
"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

A friend has lost his password to his icloud thing for email.

Apple's idea of password recovery is "shall we email your new password to your icloud address?"

No, because that's the password he's lost.


There are versions of that tragedy that cause many corporate iPhones to
be uselessly kept forever in a works cupboard, chiefly the user
registered iCloud against a personal email address, then left the
company, and Apple are refusing to unlock it as there is also a lost
order paperwork trail between them and supplier / company.

--
Adrian C

On Sat, 6 May 2017 07:54:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"


The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide on the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.


Bought both ours 2nd hand so no manual, the volume controls and mute
switch are fairly obvious and were about the first items found when
looking at them.
Surprised that you did not try some fingerpoken on any controls
first or have both your neighbour and yourself got so conditioned to
software controlled devices that trying anything like a physical
button to see what it does no longer comes naturally.

Perhaps you had better become the Unnatural Philosopher.

Sure your neighbour wasn't looking for an excuse not to experience
your cooking?

G.Harman

Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like
ring...

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end
the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down
bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no relationship
to making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure which
one does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the
phone.But that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone
sim in, and there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I
am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.

Yep, much more consistent UI and much less configurable so you can't
end up with a situation where someone has accidently or deliberately
configured it so you can't work out what they have done easily.

Except if they change the language

I have in fact been caught by that problem myself. It isnt hard to
accidentally turn the physical switch off and not realise you have
done that. And there is no obvious indication of that on the screen.

And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't RTFM.

A device with as much effort put into the UI as iphones have had
shouldnt require you to RTFM to use them and iphones mostly
dont with stuff as basic as working out why it doesnt ring.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are
a whole lot of fancy crap over functionality.

This clearly isnt an example of that.

I suppose that the phone UI isn't something that has been established
& settled over the years to the same extent that desktop winlin has.

In fact there is nothing even remotely like settled with the desktop UI.

XP is nothing like Win10.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/05/17 08:09, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.


No, they do not.

I actually opened the package. There was a sheet saying 'insert sim card'

It took me 2 hours to work out how to do that.

That was all it basically said.

This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.






There is probably a reason why the only iphones I have ever had were
given to me,I would never buy one.
Regarding the sim, ever wondered why all iphone employees have a paper
clip hanging off them somewhere?

"FMurtz" wrote in message
eb.com...
Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like
ring...

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that
you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end
the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down
bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no
relationship
to making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure
which
one does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the
phone.But that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone
sim in, and there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person
I
am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.

Yep, much more consistent UI and much less configurable so you can't
end up with a situation where someone has accidently or deliberately
configured it so you can't work out what they have done easily.

Except if they change the language

It isnt hard to change it back to what you understand.

I have in fact been caught by that problem myself. It isnt hard to
accidentally turn the physical switch off and not realise you have
done that. And there is no obvious indication of that on the screen.

And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't RTFM.

A device with as much effort put into the UI as iphones have had
shouldnt require you to RTFM to use them and iphones mostly
dont with stuff as basic as working out why it doesnt ring.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are
a whole lot of fancy crap over functionality.

This clearly isnt an example of that.

I suppose that the phone UI isn't something that has been established
& settled over the years to the same extent that desktop winlin has.

In fact there is nothing even remotely like settled with the desktop UI.

XP is nothing like Win10.

"FMurtz" wrote in message
eb.com...
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/05/17 08:09, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.


No, they do not.

I actually opened the package. There was a sheet saying 'insert sim card'

It took me 2 hours to work out how to do that.

That was all it basically said.

This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

There is probably a reason why the only iphones I have ever had were given
to me,I would never buy one.

Yes, you have ear to ear dog ****.

Regarding the sim, ever wondered why all iphone employees have a paper
clip hanging off them somewhere?

Even sillier than you usually manage.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 08:09, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.


No, they do not.

Corse they do. I posted a link.

I actually opened the package. There was a sheet saying 'insert sim card'

It said a lot more than that.

It took me 2 hours to work out how to do that.

Yes, you are that terminal a ****wit.

That was all it basically said.

Like hell it was.

This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

And you were too ****ing stupid to even be able to manage
to use the net and get some info on how to insert the sim card.

On 06/05/17 09:33, Richard wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news

On 06/05/17 08:09, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.


No, they do not.

I actually opened the package. There was a sheet saying 'insert sim card'

It took me 2 hours to work out how to do that.

That was all it basically said.

This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBwDa1ohck

How is someone with a non working smart phone that doesn't even play
flash videos supposed to access that content?


--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

On 06/05/17 09:55, wrote:
On Sat, 6 May 2017 07:54:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"


The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide on the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.


Bought both ours 2nd hand so no manual, the volume controls and mute
switch are fairly obvious and were about the first items found when
looking at them.
Surprised that you did not try some fingerpoken on any controls
first or have both your neighbour and yourself got so conditioned to
software controlled devices that trying anything like a physical
button to see what it does no longer comes naturally.

Perhaps you had better become the Unnatural Philosopher.

Sure your neighbour wasn't looking for an excuse not to experience
your cooking?

Quite the reverse. he was paranoid because no one could phone him,. I
found 30 missed calls on the phone. Including the one saying 'please
pick me up from hospital'

It was failure to get through to him then that alerted me to the fact
that his brand spanking new I phone that he expects me to support,
wasn't working and he had inadvertently finger pokened it.

My failure to actually fix it for hours, is a complete indictment of the
myth that 'apple products are so intuitive you don't need a manual'

I think its an emperors new clothes thing. Apple is so **** but the
marketing is so good that no one dares admit they haven't a clue how to
use the ****ing things.

I am sure that samsung and microsoft are even worse.


G.Harman




--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 08:10, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 02:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:31, Clive George wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours
and 25
minutes earlier.

The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide on
the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.

Wrong, as always.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

That's no help unless you have an internet connected computer already

Pity you lied thru your ****ing teeth about 'on or off the iphone'

Or your iphone is working well enough to connect to the internet already.

Since there was no manual with the phone that told you how to even insert
the SIM card,

Dont need to do that to use it.

which is totally non obvious,

Only to a terminal ****wit such as yourself.

you are to use the vernacular, totally ****ed before you even start.

Even sillier than you usually manage. The place where
you got the iphone is happy to tell you how to insert
the sim, if you are so ****ing stupid you can't work
that out and so ****ing stupid you can't look that up.

Its almost as hilarious as the phone we bought for the geriatric FIL with
Big Buttons and Big Text so he could use it more easily.

He said 'I cant read the instruction manual: the print is too small!'

And it was, about 7 pt.

Even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have enough
of a ****ing clue to understand how to make that readable.

Obviously not.

No surprise that no one is actually stupid enough to pay you
to do anything any more challenging than wipe your arse.

The more I learn about smart phones, the less I want one.

Yes, you actually are that terminal a ****wit.

If you had one, you could take a photo of those instructions
and expand it so even someone like you that has wanked
themselves completely ****ing blind could read it or even
get real radical and read them out to you.

On 06/05/17 11:19, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 08:09, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.


No, they do not.

Corse they do. I posted a link.

I actually opened the package. There was a sheet saying 'insert sim card'

It said a lot more than that.

It took me 2 hours to work out how to do that.

Yes, you are that terminal a ****wit.

That was all it basically said.

Like hell it was.

This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

And you were too ****ing stupid to even be able to manage
to use the net and get some info on how to insert the sim card.

No, the point was that this phone and other apple products are marketed
as being really easy to use and get going.

It was supplied by BT as part of a deal,. to te aforesaid elderly
neighbour. It came in a box with a note from BY which said 'insert sim
card, go one-line and if you have any issues try this link'

Well of course, the sim card could not be inserted. The most basic thing
- the key to actually everything - was inserting the sim card. No
instructions were given, although there was a strange paperclip like
device taped to the instructions, there was no mention of what it was
for, anywhere.

Likewise when every single configuration on the phone is done through a
software menu, its reasonable to expect that if it has suffered a
configuration change its down to a software menu misconfiguration.

Because only a complete **** who has never heard of ergonomics and user
interface consistency would put a tiny ringer mute switch on the case
exactly where you are most likely to accidentally move it when a right
handed user is using the phone.

This is the sort of design that causes airliners to crash.


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 06/05/17 09:33, Richard wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBwDa1ohck

How is someone with a non working smart phone that doesn't even play flash
videos supposed to access that content?

His kindly neighbour shows him on his computer?
Does the elderly guy have a smart TV?

On 06/05/17 11:29, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 08:10, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 06/05/17 02:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:31, Clive George wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him
on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours
and 25
minutes earlier.

The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide
on the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.

Wrong, as always.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

That's no help unless you have an internet connected computer already

Pity you lied thru your ****ing teeth about 'on or off the iphone'

There was no printed manual off the iphone.

Ther was no software manual on the iphone

Ther was no manual on or off the iphone.

The manual was on the Internet. An iphone that cannot access the
internet cannot access the manual.

Catch 22.

Or your iphone is working well enough to connect to the internet already.

Since there was no manual with the phone that told you how to even
insert the SIM card,

Dont need to do that to use it.

I take it you have never seen a brand new iphone without a sim card.


which is totally non obvious,

Only to a terminal ****wit such as yourself.

you are to use the vernacular, totally ****ed before you even start.

Even sillier than you usually manage. The place where
you got the iphone is happy to tell you how to insert
the sim, if you are so ****ing stupid you can't work
that out and so ****ing stupid you can't look that up.

I am afraid that the I-phone was sent to my neighbour by BT.

I got it from him., He didnt know, which is why he asked me.#


Its almost as hilarious as the phone we bought for the geriatric FIL
with Big Buttons and Big Text so he could use it more easily.

He said 'I cant read the instruction manual: the print is too small!'

And it was, about 7 pt.

Even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have enough
of a ****ing clue to understand how to make that readable.

Oh we did. But teh point is how was te 95 year old supopoosed to knmow?


Obviously not.

Wrong as usual


No surprise that no one is actually stupid enough to pay you
to do anything any more challenging than wipe your arse.

AScryally they are.

The more I learn about smart phones, the less I want one.

Yes, you actually are that terminal a ****wit.

If you had one, you could take a photo of those instructions
and expand it so even someone like you that has wanked
themselves completely ****ing blind could read it or even
get real radical and read them out to you.

I repeat te I=phonm came with no instructions, on or off the phone.

The fact that they were on the internet is of no use to someone without
an internet connection because they cant ****ing insert the sim card in
the phone to get on it.

Even a thick **** can work THAT out.
Just not you.


--
€œit should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.€�

Vaclav Klaus

On 06/05/17 11:40, Richard wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news

On 06/05/17 09:33, Richard wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBwDa1ohck

How is someone with a non working smart phone that doesn't even play
flash videos supposed to access that content?

His kindly neighbour shows him on his computer?
Does the elderly guy have a smart TV?

Only since I bought it for him two weeks ago.

He says he cant change channels on it yet though.

But we are talking hypothetical here.

How does someone with no other internet connection and no printed
instructions get a smart phone online enough to get to the online manual?

Especially if all he wants it for is to make and receive phone calls.

--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 11:19, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 08:09, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 06/05/17 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on
te landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?" "It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone,
there is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any
menu indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems
like 'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I
get this heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC
THING, like ring....

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone
that you pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you
pressed to end the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It
has an unside down bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer.
They bear no relationship to making a call whatsoever. I am after
over a year still not sure which one does what and often cuts
people off instead of answering the phone.But that doesnt happen
much anyway, because its got a vodaphone sim in, and there is ****
all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want
the internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that
actually works with a reasonably sane user interface, and a
telepone handset connected to copper that always ring and always
gets me connected to the person I am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect.
And you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't
RTFM.

There was no ****ing manual!

Corse there is.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

At least Unix came with an online manual.

So do iphones.

Mobiles are squarely marketed at kids, and are a whole lot of
fancy crap over functionality. I suppose that the phone UI isn't
something that has been established & settled over the years to the
same extent that desktop winlin has.

When apple made the first macintosh. OS/9 or whatever it was at least
had a consistent look and feel and some sort of logic to it.

So do iphones.

And it came with a manual.

So do iphones.


No, they do not.

Corse they do. I posted a link.

I actually opened the package. There was a sheet saying 'insert sim
card'

It said a lot more than that.

It took me 2 hours to work out how to do that.

Yes, you are that terminal a ****wit.

That was all it basically said.

Like hell it was.

This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

And you were too ****ing stupid to even be able to manage
to use the net and get some info on how to insert the sim card.

No,

Yep.

the point was that this phone and other apple products are marketed as
being really easy to use and get going.

And they are. Whoever sold you the ****ing phone will be
able to tell you how to insert the sim card if you are so ****ing
stupid that you can't work out where to get that basic info.

It was supplied by BT as part of a deal,. to te aforesaid elderly
neighbour. It came in a box with a note from BY which said 'insert sim
card, go one-line and if you have any issues try this link'

And even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have been
able to work out that however was used to sign up for that deal
can be used to get assistance with how to insert the sim card.

And whatever BT chooses to do in that regard has nothing to do
with apple who provide a variety of ways of assisting terminal
****wits like you with how to do something as basic as that.

Well of course, the sim card could not be inserted. The most basic thing -
the key to actually everything - was inserting the sim card.

Like hell it was.

No instructions were given, although there was a strange paperclip like
device taped to the instructions, there was no mention of what it was for,
anywhere.

And even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should
have been able to work out that you could have asked the
operation that supplied the phone how to actually do that.

Likewise when every single configuration on the phone is done through a
software menu,

Thats another pig ignorant lie.

its reasonable to expect that if it has suffered a configuration change
its down to a software menu misconfiguration.

Only if you are so ****ing stupid that you
are too stupid to do even the most basic
check on the net about the phone not ringing.

Because only a complete **** who has never heard of ergonomics and user
interface consistency would put a tiny ringer mute switch on the case
exactly where you are most likely to accidentally move it when a right
handed user is using the phone.

Even sillier than you usually manage. Its quite a firm switch
and it doesnt switch when you pick up the ****ing phone.

This is the sort of design that causes airliners to crash.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
what a terminal ****wit you have always been.

wrote in message
...
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And discover that unlike *EVERY OTHER FUNCTION* on the i-phone, there
is a PHYSICAL SWITCH to turn the ringer off. Nothing in any menu
indicated it was turned off. Nor did it come with any manual.

There are people here who say that the linux command line is old
fashioned and opaque. They have obviously never set up an I phone.

So that's 5 hours in total trying to solve basic simple problems like
'how the **** do I insert the sim card? and 'How the **** do I get this
heap of unadulterated wombat turds to do the MOST BASIC THING, like
ring...

Even my nokia 102 is crap. The old nokias had a green telephone that you
pressed to answer a call, and a red telephone that you pressed to end
the call. Pretty obvious really. the 102 doesn't. It has an unside down
bath symbol and what looks like a speedometer. They bear no relationship
to making a call whatsoever. I am after over a year still not sure which
one does what and often cuts people off instead of answering the
phone.But that doesnt happen much anyway, because its got a vodaphone
sim in, and there is **** all vodaphone coverage.

What a delight now me mate has gone home and I know that if I want the
internet, I have a well thougfht out Linux machine that actually works
with a reasonably sane user interface, and a telepone handset connected
to copper that always ring and always gets me connected to the person I
am calling...

...Unless they have an I-phone of course.

Lol. Iphones are if anything better than the others in this respect. And
you can't really blame the iphone for the fact that you didn't RTFM.

a manual!

in a box with a mobile phone?

you've got to be ****ing kidding!!

tim

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

How does someone with no other internet connection and no printed
instructions get a smart phone online enough to get to the online manual?
Especially if all he wants it for is to make and receive phone calls.

Is there any reason why he got a smartphone at all?

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 11:29, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/05/17 08:10, Hankat wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 06/05/17 02:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:31, Clive George wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:06, wrote:
On Friday, 5 May 2017 23:16:27 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
hTrying to phone my neighbour,. No reply. eventually phoned him
on te
landline, and invited him for dinner.

"Why didn't you answer your I phone?"
"It didn't ring"

Sure enough, it doesn't ring.

Went through every single menu, discover hundreds of combinations
of 'I
don't want this phone to ring' and turn them all off.

It still doesn't ring.

two and half hours later I google "My ****ing i-phone won't ring"

And you have now learned that you should have done that two hours
and 25
minutes earlier.

The switch on the side to mute the phone is one of its best features.
Extremely user-friendly. Of course I read the manual when I first
used
the phone, which is only sensible. There's a very good user guide
on the
phone as well.

No there isn't any manual
On or off the phone.

Wrong, as always.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

That's no help unless you have an internet connected computer already

Pity you lied thru your ****ing teeth about 'on or off the iphone'

There was no printed manual off the iphone.

There isnt with anything else these days either, for a reason.

Ther was no software manual on the iphone

You lied about ON OR OFF THE IPHONE.

Ther was no manual on or off the iphone.

Lying thru your ****ing teeth, as always.
http://help.apple.com/iphone/10/

The manual was on the Internet.

Which just happens to be off the ****ing iphone.

An iphone that cannot access the internet cannot access the manual.

But the paper that come with the ****ing phone includes
a phone number even a terminal ****wit such as yourself
should be able to use to get enough info on how to
get the phone into a state where the full manual can
be obtained from the internet.

Catch 22.

Even sillier than you usually manage and just as true of everything.

Or your iphone is working well enough to connect to the internet
already.

Since there was no manual with the phone that told you how to even
insert the SIM card,

Dont need to do that to use it.

I take it you have never seen a brand new iphone without a sim card.

There you go, face down in the ****ing mud, as always.

I have done that repeatedly, thanks.

which is totally non obvious,

Only to a terminal ****wit such as yourself.

you are to use the vernacular, totally ****ed before you even start.

Even sillier than you usually manage. The place where
you got the iphone is happy to tell you how to insert
the sim, if you are so ****ing stupid you can't work
that out and so ****ing stupid you can't look that up.

I am afraid that the I-phone was sent to my neighbour by BT.

And even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have
been able to use the net to see how to insert a ****ing sim.

Obviously not.

I got it from him., He didnt know, which is why he asked me.#

And even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have
been able to use the net to see how to insert a ****ing sim.

Obviously not.

Its almost as hilarious as the phone we bought for the geriatric FIL
with Big Buttons and Big Text so he could use it more easily.

He said 'I cant read the instruction manual: the print is too small!'

And it was, about 7 pt.

Even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have enough
of a ****ing clue to understand how to make that readable.

Oh we did. But teh point is how was te 95 year old supopoosed to knmow?

He could get real radical and ask some someone, including BT.

Obviously not.

No surprise that no one is actually stupid enough to pay you
to do anything any more challenging than wipe your arse.

AScryally they are.

More fool them when you are so ****ing stupid that it takes
you ****ing HOURS to work out why an iphone isnt ringing.

The more I learn about smart phones, the less I want one.

Yes, you actually are that terminal a ****wit.

If you had one, you could take a photo of those instructions
and expand it so even someone like you that has wanked
themselves completely ****ing blind could read it or even
get real radical and read them out to you.

I repeat te I=phonm came with no instructions, on or off the phone.

You can repeat that lie till you are blue in the ****ing face.

It changes nothing.

The fact that they were on the internet is of no use to someone without an
internet connection because they cant ****ing insert the sim card in the
phone to get on it.

Even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should be able to
work out that whoever supplied the ****ing phone would
likely to be able to tell you how to insert the ****ing sim
if you were actually radical enough to ask them.

Obviously not.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 06/05/17 11:40, Richard wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news

On 06/05/17 09:33, Richard wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news This is not my phone, its an elderly neighbours phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBwDa1ohck

How is someone with a non working smart phone that doesn't even play
flash videos supposed to access that content?

His kindly neighbour shows him on his computer?
Does the elderly guy have a smart TV?

Only since I bought it for him two weeks ago.

He says he cant change channels on it yet though.

But we are talking hypothetical here.

How does someone with no other internet connection and no printed
instructions get a smart phone online enough to get to the online manual?

They get real radical and ask the operation that supplied them
with the ****ing phone to tell them how to insert the ****ing
sim or even get them to insert the ****ing sim for them.

Especially if all he wants it for is to make and receive phone calls.

See above.