On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:21:53 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 12/01/17 17:55, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
by having something that you haven't got

a brain

HTH

HAND

tim

Most people cannot remember things that well.

Most people think other people are stupider than they are.

You've just described yourself. And we're talking about remembering things, not stupidity. I'm sure there's plenty professors that are highly intelligent that forget things. In fact the more on your mind, the more likely you are to forget a small thing like a wiper.

Now if it was below zero ALL YEAR.... you'd remember, like you remember to clean your teeth.

--
There was an old man from Limerick,
Who was completely unaware of the short often humorous poems that shared the same name as his hometown.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:44:21 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:48:04 +0000, NY wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of
years with no problems.


I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Never mind heard, I've seen it happen when a visitor 'proudly' showed
us the trick as we were scraping our windscreen clean.

It cost him a new screen - it cost us a few minutes scraping.


I would still maintain that he was unlucky. An unmentioned benefit of
the hot water method is that if you use enough, you warm the glass
enough to reduce/eliminate condensation on the inside.

I'd rather take the time than the risk - but each to their own.

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car roof
and/or bonnet.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:17:21 -0000, Mark Allread wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:44:21 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:48:04 +0000, NY wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of
years with no problems.


I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Never mind heard, I've seen it happen when a visitor 'proudly' showed
us the trick as we were scraping our windscreen clean.

It cost him a new screen - it cost us a few minutes scraping.


I would still maintain that he was unlucky. An unmentioned benefit of
the hot water method is that if you use enough, you warm the glass
enough to reduce/eliminate condensation on the inside.

I'd rather take the time than the risk - but each to their own.

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car roof
and/or bonnet.

I don't. What makes you think that's dangerous? It falls off at some point and you just activate the wipers once.

--
Have you heard the slogan for Trojan's new "Stealth" Condom?
"They'll never see you coming."

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:17:21 -0000, Mark Allread wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:44:21 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:48:04 +0000, NY wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of
years with no problems.


I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Never mind heard, I've seen it happen when a visitor 'proudly' showed
us the trick as we were scraping our windscreen clean.

It cost him a new screen - it cost us a few minutes scraping.


I would still maintain that he was unlucky. An unmentioned benefit of
the hot water method is that if you use enough, you warm the glass
enough to reduce/eliminate condensation on the inside.

I'd rather take the time than the risk - but each to their own.

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car roof
and/or bonnet.

I don't. What makes you think that's dangerous? It falls off at some
point and you just activate the wipers once.

snow on the roof is most likely to blow off into the windscreen of the car
behind. That is why the Police will stop you and probably fine you.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the kettle
has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well off of boiling.
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:59:44 -0000, charles wrote:

In article , Tim+ wrote:
Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:48:04 +0000, NY wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of
years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether the
rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to the windscreen
(between glass and car body) would withstand boiling water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at around 20
degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Never mind heard, I've seen it happen when a visitor 'proudly' showed
us the trick as we were scraping our windscreen clean.

It cost him a new screen - it cost us a few minutes scraping.


I would still maintain that he was unlucky. An unmentioned benefit of the
hot water method is that if you use enough, you warm the glass enough to
reduce/eliminate condensation on the inside.

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


Yesterday this mist formed when I'd got 100 yds down thew road.

Doesn't happen to me, mainly because I sit further back.

--
Snap-off parts, because it's French.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:36:57 -0000, charles wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:17:21 -0000, Mark Allread wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:44:21 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:48:04 +0000, NY wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of
years with no problems.


I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Never mind heard, I've seen it happen when a visitor 'proudly' showed
us the trick as we were scraping our windscreen clean.

It cost him a new screen - it cost us a few minutes scraping.


I would still maintain that he was unlucky. An unmentioned benefit of
the hot water method is that if you use enough, you warm the glass
enough to reduce/eliminate condensation on the inside.

I'd rather take the time than the risk - but each to their own.

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car roof
and/or bonnet.

I don't. What makes you think that's dangerous? It falls off at some
point and you just activate the wipers once.

snow on the roof is most likely to blow off into the windscreen of the car
behind.

They have wipers too. Blame society bull**** again. Please go live in America.

That is why the Police will stop you and probably fine you.

Police aren't that childish.

--
Snap-off parts, because it's French.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:39:49 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the kettle
has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well off of boiling.
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:17:21 -0600, Mark Allread wrote:

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car roof
and/or bonnet.

I saw an interesting one this morning. We had no snow, but a bit of
sleet. Less than five miles away, there was quite a bit of snow.

Drive past a side turning in the town this morning. Quite a big ridge of
snow (with wheel tracks across it of course) at the line of a junction.
Clearly someone's roof snow fell off on braking, having travelled quite a
distance!

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wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message.
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:38:37 -0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:17:21 -0600, Mark Allread wrote:

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car roof
and/or bonnet.

I saw an interesting one this morning. We had no snow, but a bit of
sleet. Less than five miles away, there was quite a bit of snow.

Drive past a side turning in the town this morning. Quite a big ridge of
snow (with wheel tracks across it of course) at the line of a junction.
Clearly someone's roof snow fell off on braking, having travelled quite a
distance!

This proves their brakes are good.

--
What's a diaphragm?
A trampoline for dickheads.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:36:57 +0000, charles wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:17:21 -0000, Mark Allread
wrote:



True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car
roof and/or bonnet.

I don't. What makes you think that's dangerous? It falls off at some
point and you just activate the wipers once.

snow on the roof is most likely to blow off into the windscreen of the
car behind. That is why the Police will stop you and probably fine you.

I didn't see the reply until you posted (I don't see any of his unless
someone replies to him) but he's clearly not experienced enough to
understand the dangers of snow on the roof (it can also slip forward
under braking and block the windscreen) or have snow blow back from the
bonnet.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:38:37 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:17:21 -0600, Mark Allread wrote:

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car
roof and/or bonnet.

I saw an interesting one this morning. We had no snow, but a bit of
sleet. Less than five miles away, there was quite a bit of snow.

Drive past a side turning in the town this morning. Quite a big ridge of
snow (with wheel tracks across it of course) at the line of a junction.
Clearly someone's roof snow fell off on braking, having travelled quite
a distance!

Yup, would have caused a loss of vision too as it came over the screen.
Probably the guy who posted saying he couldn't understand...

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:51:02 -0000, Mark Allread wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:38:37 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:17:21 -0600, Mark Allread wrote:

How often do you see folk driving off whilst still trying to wipe mist
off the inside? Not just inconvenient but dangerous.


True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car
roof and/or bonnet.

I saw an interesting one this morning. We had no snow, but a bit of
sleet. Less than five miles away, there was quite a bit of snow.

Drive past a side turning in the town this morning. Quite a big ridge of
snow (with wheel tracks across it of course) at the line of a junction.
Clearly someone's roof snow fell off on braking, having travelled quite
a distance!

Yup, would have caused a loss of vision too as it came over the screen.
Probably the guy who posted saying he couldn't understand...

If you can't handle a lack of vision for the time taken to operate the wiper, you're not too good a driver.

--
The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese
-- Billy Wilson, Tough Guy, http://www.toughguy.co.uk

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:49:47 -0000, Mark Allread wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:36:57 +0000, charles wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:17:21 -0000, Mark Allread
wrote:



True - like the people who cannot be bothered to clear snow off car
roof and/or bonnet.

I don't. What makes you think that's dangerous? It falls off at some
point and you just activate the wipers once.

snow on the roof is most likely to blow off into the windscreen of the
car behind. That is why the Police will stop you and probably fine you.

I didn't see the reply until you posted (I don't see any of his unless
someone replies to him) but he's clearly not experienced enough to
understand the dangers of snow on the roof (it can also slip forward
under braking and block the windscreen) or have snow blow back from the
bonnet.

Happened to me loads of times, not a problem.

--
Men have two emotions: Hungry and Horny. If you see him without a boner, make him a sandwich.

In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the kettle
has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for the
kettle to boil.

--
*Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass cracking?
I've heard of people that it has happened to in this situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the kettle
has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for the
kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

--
Doctor: "Ask the accident victim his name so we can notify his family."
Nurse: "I did! He said his family already knows his name."

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 13/01/2017 11:48, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles
of years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether the
rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to the windscreen
(between glass and car body) would withstand boiling water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at around 20
degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well off
of boiling.

Probably 90. I prefer to boil half a kettle, then fill it up from
the cold tap. That makes the glass plenty warm enough to stay
unfrozen until you've got the car going.

You could always fill the kettle from the hot water tap. Oh, hang
on!!!!!!!!!!
Of course the "logical" way is to cover the windscreen up. This is logical
Mr Hucker.
I got two windscreen covers from Aldi three years ago. One for the back, one
for the front. £1.99 each.
They take seconds to put on and work very well.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for the
kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:20:12 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 13/01/2017 11:48, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles
of years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether the
rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to the windscreen
(between glass and car body) would withstand boiling water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at around 20
degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well off
of boiling.

Probably 90. I prefer to boil half a kettle, then fill it up from
the cold tap. That makes the glass plenty warm enough to stay
unfrozen until you've got the car going.

You could always fill the kettle from the hot water tap. Oh, hang
on!!!!!!!!!!

A decent kettle boils in a minute or so.

Of course the "logical" way is to cover the windscreen up. This is logical
Mr Hucker.
I got two windscreen covers from Aldi three years ago. One for the back, one
for the front. £1.99 each.
They take seconds to put on and work very well.

But you have to know it's going to be frosty the next day.

--
If Rap is music, then falling off the roof is transportation.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:21:06 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for the
kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Shower - electric.
Dishwasher - electric.
Washing machine - electric.

Nothing else needs hot water.

--
If Rap is music, then falling off the roof is transportation.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:20:12 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 13/01/2017 11:48, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles
of years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether
the rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to the
windscreen (between glass and car body) would withstand boiling
water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at around
20 degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

Probably 90. I prefer to boil half a kettle, then fill it up from
the cold tap. That makes the glass plenty warm enough to stay
unfrozen until you've got the car going.

You could always fill the kettle from the hot water tap. Oh, hang
on!!!!!!!!!!

A decent kettle boils in a minute or so.

Of course the "logical" way is to cover the windscreen up. This is
logical Mr Hucker.
I got two windscreen covers from Aldi three years ago. One for the
back, one for the front. £1.99 each.
They take seconds to put on and work very well.

But you have to know it's going to be frosty the next day.

Google is your fiend.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:21:06 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for
the kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Shower - electric.
Dishwasher - electric.
Washing machine - electric.

Nothing else needs hot water.

So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:21:06 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for the
kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Shower - electric.
Dishwasher - electric.
Washing machine - electric.

Nothing else needs hot water.

hand washing?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:39 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:20:12 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 13/01/2017 11:48, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and
fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles
of years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether
the rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to the
windscreen (between glass and car body) would withstand boiling
water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at around
20 degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

Probably 90. I prefer to boil half a kettle, then fill it up from
the cold tap. That makes the glass plenty warm enough to stay
unfrozen until you've got the car going.

You could always fill the kettle from the hot water tap. Oh, hang
on!!!!!!!!!!

A decent kettle boils in a minute or so.

Of course the "logical" way is to cover the windscreen up. This is
logical Mr Hucker.
I got two windscreen covers from Aldi three years ago. One for the
back, one for the front. £1.99 each.
They take seconds to put on and work very well.

But you have to know it's going to be frosty the next day.

Google is your fiend.

We cannot predict the future. Anyway, a kettle is less hassle on the few days that need it.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:45:23 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:21:06 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for
the kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Shower - electric.
Dishwasher - electric.
Washing machine - electric.

Nothing else needs hot water.

So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

Not required. Soap works in any temperature.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:18:46 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when
you switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that
position. You have to reset the switch after starting the engine.
Anything else would be stupid.

Eh? AUTOMATIC wipers should not need any switches pressed. I'd expect
them to just start working when it rained

Brilliant. Drive into a car wash and the wipers get ripped off. Or they
take your eye out when leaning over the car.

I'd expect an auto, on, off position. And I'd expect to be able to leave it on auto unless I wanted to override it for some reason, not have to tell it every time it starts raining, which makes them no more useful than manual!

What stupid car have you got where they are always active?

I haven't got automatic wipers.

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James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:39 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:20:12 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 13/01/2017 11:48, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in
message news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap
and fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for
oodles of years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether
the rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to the
windscreen (between glass and car body) would withstand
boiling water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at around
20 degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

Probably 90. I prefer to boil half a kettle, then fill it up from
the cold tap. That makes the glass plenty warm enough to stay
unfrozen until you've got the car going.

You could always fill the kettle from the hot water tap. Oh, hang
on!!!!!!!!!!

A decent kettle boils in a minute or so.

Of course the "logical" way is to cover the windscreen up. This is
logical Mr Hucker.
I got two windscreen covers from Aldi three years ago. One for the
back, one for the front. £1.99 each.
They take seconds to put on and work very well.

But you have to know it's going to be frosty the next day.

Google is your fiend.

We cannot predict the future. Anyway, a kettle is less hassle on the
few days that need it.

We can forecast frost with a lot of accuracy.
Most days this time of year will be frosty in Jockland, as you well know.
The covers only take seconds to put on and take off.

On 13/01/2017 18:57, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:45:23 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:21:06 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for
the kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Shower - electric.
Dishwasher - electric.
Washing machine - electric.

Nothing else needs hot water.

So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

Not required. Soap works in any temperature.

Agreed.
In its medical literature, the Food and Drug Administration states that
hot water comfortable enough for washing hands is not hot enough to kill
bacteria

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

Not required. Soap works in any temperature.

I'd far rather wash my hands in warm water that freezing cold (eg 8-10 deg
C) water, irrespective of whether soap produces more or less suds with warm
water and/or whether it cleans the hands better.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:51:38 -0000, charles wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:21:06 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for the
kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Shower - electric.
Dishwasher - electric.
Washing machine - electric.

Nothing else needs hot water.

hand washing?

Nope.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:24:49 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:39 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:20:12 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 13/01/2017 11:48, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in
message news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap
and fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for
oodles of years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero
degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether
the rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to the
windscreen (between glass and car body) would withstand
boiling water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at around
20 degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well
off of boiling.

Probably 90. I prefer to boil half a kettle, then fill it up from
the cold tap. That makes the glass plenty warm enough to stay
unfrozen until you've got the car going.

You could always fill the kettle from the hot water tap. Oh, hang
on!!!!!!!!!!

A decent kettle boils in a minute or so.

Of course the "logical" way is to cover the windscreen up. This is
logical Mr Hucker.
I got two windscreen covers from Aldi three years ago. One for the
back, one for the front. £1.99 each.
They take seconds to put on and work very well.

But you have to know it's going to be frosty the next day.

Google is your fiend.

We cannot predict the future. Anyway, a kettle is less hassle on the
few days that need it.

We can forecast frost with a lot of accuracy.
Most days this time of year will be frosty in Jockland, as you well know.

Actually, my car has had a frosted windscreen only once this winter.

The covers only take seconds to put on and take off.

Not much longer for a kettle, and no forward planning necessary.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:11:06 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

Not required. Soap works in any temperature.

I'd far rather wash my hands in warm water that freezing cold (eg 8-10 deg
C) water, irrespective of whether soap produces more or less suds with warm
water and/or whether it cleans the hands better.

It's something you do for a matter of seconds, on only a very small part of your body So why are you that bothered by the temperature?

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NY wrote:
"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

Not required. Soap works in any temperature.

I'd far rather wash my hands in warm water that freezing cold (eg
8-10 deg C) water, irrespective of whether soap produces more or less
suds with warm water and/or whether it cleans the hands better.

Mr Hucker has plumbed new depths of poverty.
Even stinking council house tenants have hot running water.
He has now lowered himself beneath council house standards and that takes
some doing.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:24:49 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:39 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:20:12 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 13/01/2017 11:48, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in
message news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in
message news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap
and fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for
oodles of years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around
zero degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure
whether the rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to
the windscreen (between glass and car body) would withstand
boiling water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at
around 20 degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at
100 meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the
glass cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to
in this situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be
well off of boiling.

Probably 90. I prefer to boil half a kettle, then fill it up
from the cold tap. That makes the glass plenty warm enough to
stay unfrozen until you've got the car going.

You could always fill the kettle from the hot water tap. Oh, hang
on!!!!!!!!!!

A decent kettle boils in a minute or so.

Of course the "logical" way is to cover the windscreen up. This
is logical Mr Hucker.
I got two windscreen covers from Aldi three years ago. One for
the back, one for the front. £1.99 each.
They take seconds to put on and work very well.

But you have to know it's going to be frosty the next day.

Google is your fiend.

We cannot predict the future. Anyway, a kettle is less hassle on
the few days that need it.

We can forecast frost with a lot of accuracy.
Most days this time of year will be frosty in Jockland, as you well
know.

Actually, my car has had a frosted windscreen only once this winter.

The covers only take seconds to put on and take off.

Not much longer for a kettle, and no forward planning necessary.

Pillock.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:11:06 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

Not required. Soap works in any temperature.

I'd far rather wash my hands in warm water that freezing cold (eg
8-10 deg C) water, irrespective of whether soap produces more or
less suds with warm water and/or whether it cleans the hands better.

It's something you do for a matter of seconds, on only a very small
part of your body So why are you that bothered by the temperature?

Pillock.

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:39:16 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Bod wrote:
Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at 100
meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the glass
cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to in this
situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the kettle
has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be well off of
boiling.

I've found hot water from the tap just fine. No need to wait for the
kettle to boil.

Not having a combi boiler I never thought of that.

Your only source of hot water is a kettle? Figures.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Shower - electric.
Dishwasher - electric.
Washing machine - electric.

Nothing else needs hot water.

Wouldn't surprise me if you didn't wash your hands after having a ****.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:38:13 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

NY wrote:
"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

Not required. Soap works in any temperature.

I'd far rather wash my hands in warm water that freezing cold (eg
8-10 deg C) water, irrespective of whether soap produces more or less
suds with warm water and/or whether it cleans the hands better.

Mr Hucker has plumbed new depths of poverty.
Even stinking council house tenants have hot running water.
He has now lowered himself beneath council house standards and that takes
some doing.

Never used hot water to wash my hands, always used the cold tap. Just why do you need hot water for 5% of your body for 10 seconds?

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:49:33 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:24:49 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:39 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:20:12 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 13/01/2017 11:48, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in
message news On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in
message news Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap
and fling it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for
oodles of years with no problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around
zero degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure
whether the rubber of the wiper blades and the surround to
the windscreen (between glass and car body) would withstand
boiling water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at
around 20 degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.

Ah, maybe I'm being over-cautious, then. What about water at
100 meeting glass at around 0 - isn't there a risk of the
glass cracking? I've heard of people that it has happened to
in this situation.

Probably best to play safe and wait about 30 secs after the
kettle has boiled. by the time you get outside it should be
well off of boiling.

Probably 90. I prefer to boil half a kettle, then fill it up
from the cold tap. That makes the glass plenty warm enough to
stay unfrozen until you've got the car going.

You could always fill the kettle from the hot water tap. Oh, hang
on!!!!!!!!!!

A decent kettle boils in a minute or so.

Of course the "logical" way is to cover the windscreen up. This
is logical Mr Hucker.
I got two windscreen covers from Aldi three years ago. One for
the back, one for the front. £1.99 each.
They take seconds to put on and work very well.

But you have to know it's going to be frosty the next day.

Google is your fiend.

We cannot predict the future. Anyway, a kettle is less hassle on
the few days that need it.

We can forecast frost with a lot of accuracy.
Most days this time of year will be frosty in Jockland, as you well
know.

Actually, my car has had a frosted windscreen only once this winter.

The covers only take seconds to put on and take off.

Not much longer for a kettle, and no forward planning necessary.

Pillock.

Try replying in an adult fashion, if you can.

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When you really want to slap someone, do it and shout "Mosquito!"

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:50:20 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:11:06 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news So you wash your hands in cold water after using the bog?
The probability is that you don't even do that.
Six cats, loads of parrots and no hot running water!
Peasant.

Not required. Soap works in any temperature.

I'd far rather wash my hands in warm water that freezing cold (eg
8-10 deg C) water, irrespective of whether soap produces more or
less suds with warm water and/or whether it cleans the hands better.

It's something you do for a matter of seconds, on only a very small
part of your body So why are you that bothered by the temperature?

Pillock.

I see you have no answer. You lose.

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