Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

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Your friends compliment you on your new alligator shoes and you're barefoot.

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

--
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd
have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen
if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

It's part of the standard "pre-flight checks" like making sure that the gear
lever is in neutral (by trying to waggle it from side to side) before
starting or stopping the engine (or at least letting up the clutch). I tend
also to make sure that the oil and battery lights come on when I turn the
ignition on and then go out when the engine is running, and check the amount
of fuel I have.

Sounds laborious but it's a reflex action and only takes a couple of
seconds.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:40:18 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd
have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen
if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

It's part of the standard "pre-flight checks" like making sure that the gear
lever is in neutral (by trying to waggle it from side to side) before
starting or stopping the engine (or at least letting up the clutch). I tend
also to make sure that the oil and battery lights come on when I turn the
ignition on and then go out when the engine is running, and check the amount
of fuel I have.

Sounds laborious but it's a reflex action and only takes a couple of
seconds.

I don't do any checks whatsoever. Putting it in neutral, then into gear when I stop is simply part of driving and done subconsciously, I don't have to think about it. But things like wiper, demister, etc, I only react to if there's a problem (like I can't see out of the window). The last tyre I changed was completely bald before I noticed it, and I only looked at it because the ABS kept activating when it wasn't that slippery. I do notice a flat tyre usually, only because I'm walking towards the car and it looks wrong, I don't deliberately check.

--
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:37:21 -0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:40:18 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd
have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen
if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

It's part of the standard "pre-flight checks" like making sure that the gear
lever is in neutral (by trying to waggle it from side to side) before
starting or stopping the engine (or at least letting up the clutch). I tend
also to make sure that the oil and battery lights come on when I turn the
ignition on and then go out when the engine is running, and check the amount
of fuel I have.

Sounds laborious but it's a reflex action and only takes a couple of
seconds.

I don't do any checks whatsoever.

Yes we've noticed.

I don't have a requirement to do that, called OCD.

--
Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd
have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen
if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

by having something that you haven't got

a brain

HTH

HAND

tim



--
A Smith and Wesson beats four Aces.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:50:20 -0000, tim... wrote:



"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd
have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen
if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

by having something that you haven't got

a brain

HTH

HAND

tim

Most people cannot remember things that well.

--
Definition of Necrophilia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.

On 12/01/17 17:55, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
by having something that you haven't got

a brain

HTH

HAND

tim

Most people cannot remember things that well.

Most people think other people are stupider than they are.




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€œit should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.€�

Vaclav Klaus

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd
have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen
if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

He has a brain, you should get one.

On 12/01/17 17:32, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd
have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and
screen if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

He has a brain James. Not an option for you, sadly.


--
€œit should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.€�

Vaclav Klaus

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:20:32 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 12/01/17 17:32, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:27:50 -0000, NY wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd
have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and
screen if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

He has a brain James. Not an option for you, sadly.

90% of people are forgetful, clever or not.

--
There was an old man from Limerick,
Who was completely unaware of the short often humorous poems that shared the same name as his hometown.

"The Peeler" wrote in message
eb.com...
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:32:57 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James
Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and
screen if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the
wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.

How do you remember to do that?

Oh, no, I sense another lengthy insipid troll feast by the resident
insipid
troll coming along! BG

Fraid so, pity he doesn't get a clue.

NY wrote:
"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.



Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and fling it
liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of years with no
problems.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:39:47 -0000, Tim+ wrote:

NY wrote:
"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.



Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and fling it
liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of years with no
problems.

If in a hurry, I direct my shower at the car (the drive is outside the bathroom window). I use the temperature you would use to have a hot shower. I would think changing glass from 0C to 100C at once would cause cracks. Certainly the other way round can break cooking stuff.

--
Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:39:47 -0000, Tim+ wrote:

NY wrote:
"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd
think they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the
wipers to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next
morning they try to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and
screen if there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then
make sure the wiper switch is set to off before turning the
ignition key.

Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and fling
it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of years
with no problems.

If in a hurry, I direct my shower at the car (the drive is outside
the bathroom window). I use the temperature you would use to have a
hot shower. I would think changing glass from 0C to 100C at once
would cause cracks. Certainly the other way round can break cooking
stuff.

You squirt your shower from your bathroom window onto your car!
Pikey is as pikey does.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:34:48 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:39:47 -0000, Tim+ wrote:

NY wrote:
"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd
think they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the
wipers to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next
morning they try to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and
screen if there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then
make sure the wiper switch is set to off before turning the
ignition key.

Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and fling
it liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of years
with no problems.

If in a hurry, I direct my shower at the car (the drive is outside
the bathroom window). I use the temperature you would use to have a
hot shower. I would think changing glass from 0C to 100C at once
would cause cracks. Certainly the other way round can break cooking
stuff.

You squirt your shower from your bathroom window onto your car!
Pikey is as pikey does.

Tell me a faster or more ingenious way to warm the glass.

--
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A passerby said, "So? You should be happy about that. Why are you so angry?"
"I want to know who the son of a bitch is that's the father of the second kid!"

On 12/01/17 18:39, Tim+ wrote:
NY wrote:
"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones actually
come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd have
a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

I always pour a bit of *tepid* (not hot) water over the wipers and screen if
there's frost on the screen, to free the wipers. I then make sure the wiper
switch is set to off before turning the ignition key.



Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and fling it
liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of years with no
problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it


--
€œit should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.€�

Vaclav Klaus

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and fling it
liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of years with no
problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero degrees.
Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether the rubber of
the wiper blades and the surround to the windscreen (between glass and car
body) would withstand boiling water.

On 13/01/17 08:49, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and fling it
liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of years with no
problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero degrees.

yes. helps get the ice off

Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether the rubber
of the wiper blades and the surround to the windscreen (between glass
and car body) would withstand boiling water.

I can assure you they all can*, but the water is down at around 20
degrees by the time it reaches them.

*black metal easily reaches 100 degrees in tropical sun.


--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
Why tepid? I run the hottest water I can from the hot tap and fling it
liberally on to the screen. Been doing it for oodles of years with no
problems.

Tim

I pour a just boiled kettle on it

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero degrees.
Don't want to crack my windscreen. Also, I'm not sure whether the rubber of
the wiper blades and the surround to the windscreen (between glass and car
body) would withstand boiling water.



Experience suggests that it can withstand it.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:49:02 -0000, NY wrote:

Thermal shock of boiling water on glass that is at around zero degrees.

Screen exposed to clear skies and it will be a lot colder than 0C,
could well be 10 C or more below what ever the air tempertaure is. So
air temp of -10, wndscreen -20 or lower.

Laminated windscreens are pretty damn tough but I'd still not throw
near boiling water over one. Far easier to start the engine, press
"defrost". By the time the side windows have been squirted and
cleared even frozen on snow will just slide off the heated front and
rear screens. B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thursday, 12 January 2017 16:37:21 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

--
You know you're getting old when:
Your friends compliment you on your new alligator shoes and you're barefoot.

I keep my cars indoors.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:57:06 -0000, harry wrote:

On Thursday, 12 January 2017 16:37:21 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

--
You know you're getting old when:
Your friends compliment you on your new alligator shoes and you're barefoot.

I keep my cars indoors.

I always find enough junk/tools/workshop/etc to fill all indoor spaces.

--
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Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 12 January 2017 16:37:21 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think
they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

--
You know you're getting old when:
Your friends compliment you on your new alligator shoes and you're
barefoot.

I keep my cars indoors.

still in the little cardboard box?

tim

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think
they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when you
switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that position. You
have to reset the switch after starting the engine. Anything else would be
stupid.

FWIW, neither system worked as well as I'd like. Despite several settings,
often wouldn't trigger with a wet screen.

--
*Why is it that rain drops but snow falls?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:39:36 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think
they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the wipers
to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning they try
to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when you
switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that position. You
have to reset the switch after starting the engine. Anything else would be
stupid.

Eh? AUTOMATIC wipers should not need any switches pressed. I'd expect them to just start working when it rained.

FWIW, neither system worked as well as I'd like. Despite several settings,
often wouldn't trigger with a wet screen.

So what DID they do?!

--
I lost the trivia contest at the church social last night by one point.
The last question was: "Where do most women have curly hair?"
Apparently the correct answer is "Africa".
I've been asked to find another placed to worship....

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when
you switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that
position. You have to reset the switch after starting the engine.
Anything else would be stupid.

Eh? AUTOMATIC wipers should not need any switches pressed. I'd expect
them to just start working when it rained

Brilliant. Drive into a car wash and the wipers get ripped off. Or they
take your eye out when leaning over the car.

What stupid car have you got where they are always active?

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*How do they get the deer to cross at that yellow road sign?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:18:46 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when
you switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that
position. You have to reset the switch after starting the engine.
Anything else would be stupid.

Eh? AUTOMATIC wipers should not need any switches pressed. I'd expect
them to just start working when it rained

Brilliant. Drive into a car wash and the wipers get ripped off. Or they
take your eye out when leaning over the car.

I'd expect an auto, on, off position. And I'd expect to be able to leave it on auto unless I wanted to override it for some reason, not have to tell it every time it starts raining, which makes them no more useful than manual!

What stupid car have you got where they are always active?

I haven't got automatic wipers.

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Dave Plowman (News) submitted this idea :
My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when you
switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that position. You
have to reset the switch after starting the engine. Anything else would be
stupid.

FWIW, neither system worked as well as I'd like. Despite several settings,
often wouldn't trigger with a wet screen.

My car has them, they work perfectly and are inhibited if you restart
the engine. The switch has to be reset to put them back on to auto.

On 12/01/2017 20:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) submitted this idea :
My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when you
switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that position.
You
have to reset the switch after starting the engine. Anything else
would be
stupid.

FWIW, neither system worked as well as I'd like. Despite several
settings,
often wouldn't trigger with a wet screen.

My car has them, they work perfectly and are inhibited if you restart
the engine. The switch has to be reset to put them back on to auto.

Exactly what mine does.

Bod wrote :
On 12/01/2017 20:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) submitted this idea :
My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when you
switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that position.
You
have to reset the switch after starting the engine. Anything else
would be
stupid.

FWIW, neither system worked as well as I'd like. Despite several
settings,
often wouldn't trigger with a wet screen.

My car has them, they work perfectly and are inhibited if you restart
the engine. The switch has to be reset to put them back on to auto.

Exactly what mine does.

I meant to say the auto, slow and fast speeds all have to be reset, on
restarting the engine - otherwise no movement of the blades until.

On 12/01/2017 20:55, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Bod wrote :
On 12/01/2017 20:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) submitted this idea :
My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when you
switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that position.
You
have to reset the switch after starting the engine. Anything else
would be
stupid.

FWIW, neither system worked as well as I'd like. Despite several
settings,
often wouldn't trigger with a wet screen.

My car has them, they work perfectly and are inhibited if you restart
the engine. The switch has to be reset to put them back on to auto.

Exactly what mine does.

I meant to say the auto, slow and fast speeds all have to be reset, on
restarting the engine - otherwise no movement of the blades until.

That's what I thought you meant and it makes sense to work that way.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:46:17 -0000, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) submitted this idea :
My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when you
switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that position. You
have to reset the switch after starting the engine. Anything else would be
stupid.

FWIW, neither system worked as well as I'd like. Despite several settings,
often wouldn't trigger with a wet screen.

My car has them, they work perfectly and are inhibited if you restart
the engine. The switch has to be reset to put them back on to auto.

I'd prefer never having to operate the switch at all. Otherwise it's not really automatic is it?

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:43:43 -0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:39:36 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Anyone got automatic windscreen wipers? I'm told the Fiesta ones
actually come on when it's frosty, and rip the blades off. You'd think
they'd have a temperature sensor?

Mind you manual is as bad, I've yet to see a car which flicks the
wipers to off when you turn off the engine, otherwise the next morning
they try to wipe when frozen and you lose the rubber!

My last two cars have had them - rain sensing. But they cancel when you
switch off the engine - even if you leave the switch in that position.
You have to reset the switch after starting the engine. Anything else
would be stupid.

FWIW, neither system worked as well as I'd like. Despite several
settings,
often wouldn't trigger with a wet screen.

I'd swap the auto feature for a simple push to wipe one.

My current car combines the "auto on/off" with a single wipe, which is
****ing annoying. Luckily a quick pull to wash doesn't have time to fire
the washer but does a wipe ...

I thought all cars had an option to wipe once. So what's wrong with leaving it on auto all the time?

The auto lights are weird too ,,.

This might explain why there are so many ****wits driving around with dipped beam during daylight hours. Has everybody got the sensor set wrong, or dirty?

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:43:43 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk wrote:

My current car combines the "auto on/off" with a single wipe, which is
****ing annoying. Luckily a quick pull to wash doesn't have time to fire
the washer but does a wipe ...

The auto wipers work well on my car, variable sensitivity to rain and
go from a single wipe as required to double speed flat out. Trouble
is the "single wipe as required" can happen on a lightly fly splatted
windscreen converting it from one can be seen through to one with
smeared fly splat that isn't... The auto doesn't cancel when you
switch off, but static snow frost doesn't trigger 'em. The heated
windscreen means that the blades aren't still frozen to the screen by
the time the rain sensor "sees water" and triggers a wipe. With frost
and light snow it's almost a fully automatic self clear.

The auto lights are weird too ,,.

Mine come on a little before I'd think, "hum ought to turn the lights
on", so they stay in auto, unless the hill fog is getting a bit thick
and I switch dipped off and just use the front fogs. Far less glare,
not much reach but then visibilty will be down to only a few tens of
yards anyway.

What they will do is switch off in bright daylight fog! Ok there is a
light on the instrument panel but if you're concentrating on what's
outside. I wish it would "bong" when ever it changes the state of an
indicator lamp. Ideally "bong" for pay attention and "bing" for
happy.

It's not as if it has a shortage of bongs. It'll use them with gay
abandon if the car is moving and your seatbelt isn't fastened, a door
is open and engine running and/or lights left on.

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In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
The auto wipers work well on my car, variable sensitivity to rain and
go from a single wipe as required to double speed flat out. Trouble
is the "single wipe as required" can happen on a lightly fly splatted
windscreen converting it from one can be seen through to one with
smeared fly splat that isn't... The auto doesn't cancel when you
switch off, but static snow frost doesn't trigger 'em. The heated
windscreen means that the blades aren't still frozen to the screen by
the time the rain sensor "sees water" and triggers a wipe. With frost
and light snow it's almost a fully automatic self clear.

I've had two different makes with rain sensing wipers. Both I'd guess with
Bosch systems being German cars.

Neither works perfectly in town. Too much a build up of rain on the screen
before they wipe. I end up using the single wipe function they both have.

Are you certain your works after switching off the engine? If it is always
'ready' if the stalk is left in the auto position, it would come on when
say using a car wash. Which might just remove the wipers.

Of course even the earlier intermittent wipe isn't perfect. Needs a
different interval depending on how light the rain is.

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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
The auto wipers work well on my car, variable sensitivity to rain and
go from a single wipe as required to double speed flat out. Trouble
is the "single wipe as required" can happen on a lightly fly splatted
windscreen converting it from one can be seen through to one with
smeared fly splat that isn't... The auto doesn't cancel when you
switch off, but static snow frost doesn't trigger 'em. The heated
windscreen means that the blades aren't still frozen to the screen by
the time the rain sensor "sees water" and triggers a wipe. With frost
and light snow it's almost a fully automatic self clear.

I've had two different makes with rain sensing wipers. Both I'd guess with
Bosch systems being German cars.

Neither works perfectly in town. Too much a build up of rain on the screen
before they wipe. I end up using the single wipe function they both have.

Are you certain your works after switching off the engine? If it is always
'ready' if the stalk is left in the auto position, it would come on when
say using a car wash. Which might just remove the wipers.

Of course even the earlier intermittent wipe isn't perfect. Needs a
different interval depending on how light the rain is.

one car I owned allowed me to vary the interval. It might have been a SEAT.

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On 15/01/2017 12:10, charles wrote:

one car I owned allowed me to vary the interval. It might have been a SEAT.


Many cars allow that, most owners never read the manual to know how.

On a corsa you hold the stalk down for as long as you want between wipes
and it remembers that. Easy if you know how.

In article ,
charles wrote:
Of course even the earlier intermittent wipe isn't perfect. Needs a
different interval depending on how light the rain is.

one car I owned allowed me to vary the interval. It might have been a
SEAT.

Very first car I had with this did too - a Rover P6. It wasn't electronic,
but pneumatic. Allowed infinite variation between min and max.

Problem is you spend more time fiddling with it to try and get it just
right as using a single wipe type. Hence, I'd guess the invention of the
rain sense types.

It's possible they work very well with a brand new screen. Both my cars
fitted with it were used, so didn't have 100% perfect screens.

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