Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.
--
Bill

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000
Bill wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will
copy from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's.
Looking around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all
with glowing reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand
experience of them? I've scanned many photos before, but this will be
my first time with negatives, it would be good to get a few personal
experiences before diving in.

Doing the same as you, I looked at loads of reviews. One guy offered to
take your Ion copier in part exchange and give it a decent burial.
Eventually, I just made my own out of cardboard and a piece of
translucent white plastic sheet that I already had, and the whole thing
sits on my tripod and uses my compact Canon. I have digitised about
1500 slides for a History Club with this system.
Not much help, I'm afraid!

--
Davey.

In article ,
Bill writes:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

Check it supports the negative sizes you have.
35mm is standard, but if you have bigger ones, your options come down.
Might also be an issue with the panoramic formats.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000, Bill wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

SWMBO has been scanning a *lot* of her dad's old slides...over the last
couple of years. She says the software does lots of different, useful
things. She is doing hi-res which is not incredibly fast, but she's very
satisfied with it.

It's a Plustek Opticfilm 7500, with Silverfast software. Probably a later
model now. Free upgrades on the software. It was about £400 she thinks.



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In article ,
Bob Eager writes:
SWMBO has been scanning a *lot* of her dad's old slides...over the last
couple of years. She says the software does lots of different, useful
things. She is doing hi-res which is not incredibly fast, but she's very
satisfied with it.

It's a Plustek Opticfilm 7500, with Silverfast software. Probably a later
model now. Free upgrades on the software. It was about £400 she thinks.

Snap! (or 7400 in my case). I didn't buy it, but I suspect mine
was very much less than that.

Slight annoyance is it means I have to have a Windows system.

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000, Bill
wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.
One problem I had with slides is that the thickness of the cardboard
or plastic holder means that the slide itself is a mm or two above the
glass, and my scanned copies always came out a little blurry. Don't
know if it's a focussing issue, or reflections due the small gap.
Tried taking a few slides out of the holder and laying them directly
onto the glass, much better result, but fiddly and time consuming!

In message , Davey
writes
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000
Bill wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will
copy from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's.
Looking around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all
with glowing reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand
experience of them? I've scanned many photos before, but this will be
my first time with negatives, it would be good to get a few personal
experiences before diving in.

Doing the same as you, I looked at loads of reviews. One guy offered to
take your Ion copier in part exchange and give it a decent burial.
Eventually, I just made my own out of cardboard and a piece of
translucent white plastic sheet that I already had, and the whole thing
sits on my tripod and uses my compact Canon. I have digitised about
1500 slides for a History Club with this system.
Not much help, I'm afraid!


Interesting Davey, I had looked at Ion, I was worried when I saw that
PC World sold them though :-)
--
Bill

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Bill writes:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

Check it supports the negative sizes you have.
35mm is standard, but if you have bigger ones, your options come down.
Might also be an issue with the panoramic formats.

Most are 35mm roll film negatives, with some slides in card carriers,
but I also have some glass negatives which I may just put into a normal
scanner and play with later.
--
Bill

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Bob Eager writes:
SWMBO has been scanning a *lot* of her dad's old slides...over the last
couple of years. She says the software does lots of different, useful
things. She is doing hi-res which is not incredibly fast, but she's very
satisfied with it.

It's a Plustek Opticfilm 7500, with Silverfast software. Probably a later
model now. Free upgrades on the software. It was about £400 she thinks.

Snap! (or 7400 in my case). I didn't buy it, but I suspect mine
was very much less than that.

Slight annoyance is it means I have to have a Windows system.


I don't mind Windows, my computer knowledge is limited, so Windows does
just fine. The software is important, the more it can do the happier I
will be. Just off to have a Google on Plustek.
--
Bill

In message , Bill
writes
In message , Davey
writes
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000
Bill wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will
copy from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's.
Looking around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all
with glowing reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand
experience of them? I've scanned many photos before, but this will be
my first time with negatives, it would be good to get a few personal
experiences before diving in.

Doing the same as you, I looked at loads of reviews. One guy offered to
take your Ion copier in part exchange and give it a decent burial.
Eventually, I just made my own out of cardboard and a piece of
translucent white plastic sheet that I already had, and the whole thing
sits on my tripod and uses my compact Canon. I have digitised about
1500 slides for a History Club with this system.
Not much help, I'm afraid!


Interesting Davey, I had looked at Ion, I was worried when I saw that
PC World sold them though :-)
They can't be worse than the Maplin's one!!!
--
bert

In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000, Bill wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

SWMBO has been scanning a *lot* of her dad's old slides...over the last
couple of years. She says the software does lots of different, useful
things. She is doing hi-res which is not incredibly fast, but she's very
satisfied with it.

That is my situation, a minimum of 4 biscuit tins of envelopes full of
negatives and slides, plus numerous albums of photos that hopefully I
will find the neg's for, dad was an avid photographer! Speed is not too
important, quality is more so.

--
Bill

In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000, Bill wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

SWMBO has been scanning a *lot* of her dad's old slides...over the last
couple of years. She says the software does lots of different, useful
things. She is doing hi-res which is not incredibly fast, but she's very
satisfied with it.

It's a Plustek Opticfilm 7500, with Silverfast software. Probably a later
model now. Free upgrades on the software. It was about £400 she thinks.



£340 on Amazon. The 8100 is at £177.50
--
bert

Bill wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

For top class results you need either a Nikon dedicated negative/slide
scanner (can't remember the model number) or an Epson V700/V750. The
perfectionists argue endlessly about which is better. :-)

I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square and
35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner. I've been
very pleased with it over the years.

--
Chris Green
·

In message , Mark writes

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Bill writes:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

Check it supports the negative sizes you have.
35mm is standard, but if you have bigger ones, your options come down.
Might also be an issue with the panoramic formats.

Most are 35mm roll film negatives, with some slides in card carriers, but
I also have some glass negatives which I may just put into a normal
scanner and play with later.
Bill

for 35mm i have a Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED which is superb

I bought this at a boot sale, relatives were clearing out their fathers
house and thought it was some kind of old computer, they asked £20 so thats
what i paid them.

I've just had a look on Ebay at the Nikon, I see why you were pleased
with the £20:00 price!!



buying new now i would have a look at something like the Epson Perfection
V370

good compromise between price/performance

--
Bill

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Bill writes:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

Check it supports the negative sizes you have.
35mm is standard, but if you have bigger ones, your options come down.
Might also be an issue with the panoramic formats.

Most are 35mm roll film negatives, with some slides in card carriers, but
I also have some glass negatives which I may just put into a normal
scanner and play with later.
Bill

for 35mm i have a Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED which is superb

I bought this at a boot sale, relatives were clearing out their fathers
house and thought it was some kind of old computer, they asked £20 so thats
what i paid them.

buying new now i would have a look at something like the Epson Perfection
V370

good compromise between price/performance



-

wrote:

Bill wrote:

I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will
copy from normal 35mm neg's [...]

I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square
and 35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner.
I've been very pleased with it over the years.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the point of digitizing negatives?

Steve wrote:
wrote:

Bill wrote:

I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will
copy from normal 35mm neg's [...]

I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square
and 35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner.
I've been very pleased with it over the years.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the point of digitizing negatives?

They're not digitised as negatives, the scanner software turns them
into normal positive images which you can then view on your PC,
tablet, TV, phone, etc. It also means that one no longer worries
about physical deterioration or damage (though of course you do need
to make sure the digital images are carefully backed up).

--
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·

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 15:37:56 +0000
bert ] wrote:

In message , Bill
writes
In message , Davey
writes
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000
Bill wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that
will copy from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate
neg's. Looking around the web there seems to be a multitude of
these, all with glowing reviews! But does anyone here have any
first hand experience of them? I've scanned many photos before,
but this will be my first time with negatives, it would be good
to get a few personal experiences before diving in.

Doing the same as you, I looked at loads of reviews. One guy
offered to take your Ion copier in part exchange and give it a
decent burial. Eventually, I just made my own out of cardboard and
a piece of translucent white plastic sheet that I already had, and
the whole thing sits on my tripod and uses my compact Canon. I have
digitised about 1500 slides for a History Club with this system.
Not much help, I'm afraid!


Interesting Davey, I had looked at Ion, I was worried when I saw
that PC World sold them though :-)
They can't be worse than the Maplin's one!!!

At least with mine, I know where to go to complain if it doesn't work.
And the cost was zero. I use daylight, so I don't even have to pay for
lighting.
The camera conveniently has its USB cable port on the side, so it stays
plugged in, and every so often, I download the images to the PC. I do a
little cleanup using GIMP, as I take the image a little oversize, and
then trim to fit, and rotate if needed.
Now, if I was doing this for a business, I would look at the
professional scanners.
--
Davey.

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:04:33 +0000, Bill wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

Here's a thread from 5 years ago, so I don't know if it's still relevant.
The prices of some of the recommendations were too much for me - I'm still
'thinking' about buying something.
http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware-...e-scanner.html
Look on Amazon and read the reviews carefully; looks as if some of the
software can be awkward.
Another possibility is
http://www.7dayshop.com/slide-negati...16gb-sdhc-card
Unusually high resolution for the format of scanner.
--
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whilst religions hold sway

On 01/02/2015 08:16, PeterC wrote:

Another possibility is
http://www.7dayshop.com/slide-negati...16gb-sdhc-card
Unusually high resolution for the format of scanner.

I would suggest that it could be quite a low resolution scanner as the
quoted specification can be interpreted as 14M (interpolated) and 22M
(interpolated). It doesn't specify the level of JPEG compression. It
could be a cheap 640 x 480 USB camera sensor packaged into something
unsuitable for any serious film scanning.

It gets a 4 star (of 5) review for one person
"Looks Ok but I haven't used it yet"




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On 01/02/2015 09:18, alan_m wrote:
On 01/02/2015 08:16, PeterC wrote:

Another possibility is
http://www.7dayshop.com/slide-negati...16gb-sdhc-card

Unusually high resolution for the format of scanner.

I would suggest that it could be quite a low resolution scanner as the
quoted specification can be interpreted as 14M (interpolated) and 22M
(interpolated). It doesn't specify the level of JPEG compression. It
could be a cheap 640 x 480 USB camera sensor packaged into something
unsuitable for any serious film scanning.

It gets a 4 star (of 5) review for one person
"Looks Ok but I haven't used it yet"





I used Jessops to scan some old photos but the images were
indistinguishable from those produced by an Epson I bought on EBay for a
tenner

On 31/01/2015 16:47, Mark wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message
...
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Bill writes:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

Check it supports the negative sizes you have.
35mm is standard, but if you have bigger ones, your options come down.
Might also be an issue with the panoramic formats.

Most are 35mm roll film negatives, with some slides in card carriers, but
I also have some glass negatives which I may just put into a normal
scanner and play with later.
Bill

for 35mm i have a Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED which is superb

I bought this at a boot sale, relatives were clearing out their fathers
house and thought it was some kind of old computer, they asked £20 so thats
what i paid them.

buying new now i would have a look at something like the Epson Perfection
V370

good compromise between price/performance



-


I use an Epson Perfection V500 Photo to digitise 35mm slides. It's just
an A4 flat-bed scanner with a bit of plastic to hold slides and
negatives of various sizes. It probably doesn't extract as much
information from the slides as a dedicated slide scanner, but the
results are quite acceptable for sharing old slides with overseas relatives.

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:16:21 +0000, wrote:



I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square and
35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner. I've been
very pleased with it over the years.

I have the Epson V750 which is only slightly different, it's several
years since I researched them, and I have seen them in the offices of
two book publishers. It can take account of the difference between
mounted slides and negatives and items scanned against the glass. I've
scanned lantern slides with it as well.
Worth noting that the V750 was launched in 2007 and was only replaced
by the V800 last year. (Don't what the difference is though.)

wrote:

Steve wrote:
wrote:
Bill wrote:

I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that
will copy from normal 35mm neg's [...]

I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square
and 35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner.
I've been very pleased with it over the years.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the point of digitizing negatives?

They're not digitised as negatives, the scanner software turns them
into normal positive images which you can then view on your PC,
tablet, TV, phone, etc.

Thanks. I looked into this a while back and was told that a scanner
couldn't make them positives; I'd need to have them developed first.
Has the technology advanced, or did I misunderstand?

In article 702scapfvjp9re0kjvd7t4v0q83ukcqp53@astraweb,
Steve wrote:
wrote:

Steve wrote:
wrote:
Bill wrote:

I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that
will copy from normal 35mm neg's [...]

I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square
and 35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner.
I've been very pleased with it over the years.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the point of digitizing negatives?

They're not digitised as negatives, the scanner software turns them
into normal positive images which you can then view on your PC,
tablet, TV, phone, etc.

Thanks. I looked into this a while back and was told that a scanner
couldn't make them positives; I'd need to have them developed first.
Has the technology advanced, or did I misunderstand?

I'm sure you can now get positives out of film negatives - not that I've
yet tried. Once I become less active , I've a lot to go through

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

Steve wrote:
wrote:

Steve wrote:
wrote:
Bill wrote:

I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that
will copy from normal 35mm neg's [...]

I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square
and 35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner.
I've been very pleased with it over the years.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the point of digitizing negatives?

They're not digitised as negatives, the scanner software turns them
into normal positive images which you can then view on your PC,
tablet, TV, phone, etc.

Thanks. I looked into this a while back and was told that a scanner
couldn't make them positives; I'd need to have them developed first.
Has the technology advanced, or did I misunderstand?

It depends more on the scanner software than the hardware I'd guess.
My V700 Epson does it automatically, or at least the software supplied
with the scanner does it automatically. I.e. it recognises a colour
negative film and converts it to a positive image that's pretty well
colour balanced without any intervention from me. It also does a good
job on restoring the colour balance of old and badly faded
transparencies.

--
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·

Peter Johnson wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:16:21 +0000, wrote:



I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square and
35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner. I've been
very pleased with it over the years.

I have the Epson V750 which is only slightly different, it's several
years since I researched them, and I have seen them in the offices of
two book publishers. It can take account of the difference between
mounted slides and negatives and items scanned against the glass. I've
scanned lantern slides with it as well.
Worth noting that the V750 was launched in 2007 and was only replaced
by the V800 last year. (Don't what the difference is though.)

The V750 is basically the same as the V700 I believe with better
slide handling (I think).

--
Chris Green
·

In message 702scapfvjp9re0kjvd7t4v0q83ukcqp53@astraweb, Steve
writes
wrote:

Steve wrote:
wrote:
Bill wrote:

I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that
will copy from normal 35mm neg's [...]

I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square
and 35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner.
I've been very pleased with it over the years.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the point of digitizing negatives?

They're not digitised as negatives, the scanner software turns them
into normal positive images which you can then view on your PC,
tablet, TV, phone, etc.

Thanks. I looked into this a while back and was told that a scanner
couldn't make them positives; I'd need to have them developed first.
Has the technology advanced, or did I misunderstand?

The scanner as such doesn't do the conversion, but software will.

I imagine software packaged with the scanner does it, and other
photoediting software as well can.
--
Chris French

On 01/02/2015 09:49, LumpHammer wrote:

I use an Epson Perfection V500 Photo to digitise 35mm slides. It's just
an A4 flat-bed scanner with a bit of plastic to hold slides and
negatives of various sizes. It probably doesn't extract as much
information from the slides as a dedicated slide scanner, but the
results are quite acceptable for sharing old slides with overseas
relatives.

I used a flat bed with a negative adapter and it could extract more
information than the film could hold (in theory). It did 48 bit scanning
at 2400 dpi (optical) but it didn't half take a while to scan 30
pictures (which is the maximum you could load at a time).
It was a HP one but its in the attic now so I can't tell you the model
number but it had an A4 light source in the lid.
I expect the scanners based on 5 mega pixel camera chips that they sell
in lidl/aldi will satisfy most people and take about a second to do a
frame. An slr will do a good job too once you sort out the mounting for
the light source and film.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 09:18:48 +0000, alan_m wrote:

On 01/02/2015 08:16, PeterC wrote:

Another possibility is
http://www.7dayshop.com/slide-negati...16gb-sdhc-card
Unusually high resolution for the format of scanner.

I would suggest that it could be quite a low resolution scanner as the
quoted specification can be interpreted as 14M (interpolated) and 22M
(interpolated). It doesn't specify the level of JPEG compression. It
could be a cheap 640 x 480 USB camera sensor packaged into something
unsuitable for any serious film scanning.

It gets a 4 star (of 5) review for one person
"Looks Ok but I haven't used it yet"

Yes, those reviews... Something on Amazon had several v. poor reviews, none
for the product on the page!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 01/02/2015 11:24, Steve wrote:

Thanks. I looked into this a while back and was told that a scanner
couldn't make them positives; I'd need to have them developed first.
Has the technology advanced, or did I misunderstand?


Scanners will work with any developed film, positive or negative..

however slide film (positive) has a colourless backing so it shows the
correct colours when viewed in normal light.

Negative film still has the colour filter layers in place (they are
bleached out in slide film) which gives a strong orangeish look to the
negatives. You can correct for this in software but you need a scanner
with enough colour depth to allow full correction, one that only does
(about) 8 bit colour depth will struggle as will making jpegs and then
correcting them, some subjects will look ok some wont.

"Steve" wrote in message
news:702scapfvjp9re0kjvd7t4v0q83ukcqp53@astraweb.. .
wrote:

Steve wrote:
wrote:
Bill wrote:

I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that
will copy from normal 35mm neg's [...]

I have an Epson V700 which I used to scan a mix of 2.25" square
and 35mm negatives and I also use as a general purpose scanner.
I've been very pleased with it over the years.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the point of digitizing negatives?

They're not digitised as negatives, the scanner software turns them
into normal positive images which you can then view on your PC,
tablet, TV, phone, etc.

Thanks. I looked into this a while back and was told that a scanner
couldn't make them positives; I'd need to have them developed first.
Has the technology advanced, or did I misunderstand?

Likely you did misunderstand. Negatives are already developed.
Maybe you meant you'd need to have them PRINTED first.

On 31/01/2015 13:04, Bill wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

I have done a fair bit of this - but with kit that is now "old"... I
actually found in spite of having a dedicated high end film scanner, I
could get very decent results with a good flatbed with trannie hood
(Epson Expression 1680 pro). It makes a very credible job of misc shaped
negs and other transparancies.

For bulk slides, these days it probably better to take them for
conversion to CD/DVD rathet than but a scanner unless you are doing lots
of them.


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Rumm writes
On 31/01/2015 13:04, Bill wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

I have done a fair bit of this - but with kit that is now "old"... I
actually found in spite of having a dedicated high end film scanner, I
could get very decent results with a good flatbed with trannie hood
(Epson Expression 1680 pro). It makes a very credible job of misc
shaped negs and other transparancies.

For bulk slides, these days it probably better to take them for
conversion to CD/DVD rathet than but a scanner unless you are doing
lots of them.



It is my late fathers lifetime collection, starting from about 1935,
some are on glass plates, the later are 35mm. Plus some other glass ones
will be earlier they belong to my grandfather and date from goodness
knows when. I hate to think of the quantity, but there are a lot!

The later ones come complete with prints, so I can see what they are
easily, but a lot of the earlier ones are just the negatives. Much as I
would love to let someone else convert them I think the cost would be
rather high, plus, not having started to do it yet, I think that it may
be quite enjoyable. Thoughts may change over time of course :-)
--
Bill

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 18:41:32 +0000, "Dennis@home"
wrote:

On 01/02/2015 11:24, Steve wrote:

Thanks. I looked into this a while back and was told that a scanner
couldn't make them positives; I'd need to have them developed first.
Has the technology advanced, or did I misunderstand?


Scanners will work with any developed film, positive or negative..

however slide film (positive) has a colourless backing so it shows the
correct colours when viewed in normal light.

Negative film still has the colour filter layers in place (they are
bleached out in slide film) which gives a strong orangeish look to the
negatives. You can correct for this in software but you need a scanner
with enough colour depth to allow full correction, one that only does
(about) 8 bit colour depth will struggle as will making jpegs and then
correcting them, some subjects will look ok some wont.

AFAIR, that 'strong orangeish' cast is called the 'mask layer' (or
requires a masking filter to deal with it when printing - it _has_
been quite a long time since I last studied photochemistry and
processing as a hobby interest where I never went as far as attempting
colour printing from home processed colour negative film although I
did process a roll of FP4 to create monochrome slides by way of an
experiment).

My previous attempts with a cheapish Aldi document/film scanner
produced rather abysmal results with colour negatives so I guess it
fell far short of requirements and foul of that mask layer (I'd hoped
I could do a better job than Max Spielmans had done with the photo cd
images taken off 4 rolls of colour negative film one of which I'd
tried to scan.

Closer inspection with good illumination and a jeweler's loupe
revealed they'd actually extracted about as much as was possible from
the cheapish 35mm film stock I'd used. Much to my chagrin, it turned
out that a mere 3Mpxel P&S digital camera could do a slightly better
job than my film SLR (at least when comparing the results with the
cheapish film stock I'd used - it might have been different story if I
had decide to blow a lot more cash on 'superior' film stock).
--
J B Good

On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 04:21:28 +0000, Johny B Good wrote:

AFAIR, that 'strong orangeish' cast is called the 'mask layer' (or
requires a masking filter to deal with it when printing - it _has_ been
quite a long time since I last studied photochemistry and processing as
a hobby interest where I never went as far as attempting colour printing
from home processed colour negative film although I did process a roll
of FP4 to create monochrome slides by way of an experiment).

Haha! Yes, I did a load of monochrome slide production while I was at
school. It gt me out of doing some pretty pointless post O-level
chemistry...



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On 31/01/2015 13:04, Bill wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

I tried a negative/slide scanner, but found that scanning colour prints
gave much better results - both the resolution and the colours looked
better. Of course, that's no good if you don't have prints.

Cheers
--
Syd

Bill wrote:
In message , John

It is my late fathers lifetime collection, starting from about 1935,
some are on glass plates, the later are 35mm. Plus some other glass ones
will be earlier they belong to my grandfather and date from goodness
knows when. I hate to think of the quantity, but there are a lot!

A mix quite like my collection started back in the 1960s with a 116
folding camera, then a 12 on 120 camera, then a 16 on 120 and finally
a series of 35mm SLRs. I also had a few glass plates.

I scanned all of these (something like 15000 pictures in all) uisng my
Epson V700 scanner, it takes time but the V700 does a pretty good job
of managing the gross imperfections so I just left it on its default
settings most of the time. I just did a bit of manual tuning on some
especially important images. The V700 will scan (if I remember right)
12 35mm slides at a time, it takes several minutes but at least you
can do something else while it thinks.


The later ones come complete with prints, so I can see what they are
easily, but a lot of the earlier ones are just the negatives. Much as I
would love to let someone else convert them I think the cost would be
rather high, plus, not having started to do it yet, I think that it may
be quite enjoyable. Thoughts may change over time of course :-)

It is quite enjoyable but you need to allow lots of time, I found it
quite interesting remembering where and when I had taken the pictures,
getting exact (or approximate) dates, etc.

--
Chris Green
·

Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 31/01/2015 13:04, Bill wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

I tried a negative/slide scanner, but found that scanning colour prints
gave much better results - both the resolution and the colours looked
better. Of course, that's no good if you don't have prints.

It certainly should be better scanning the negatives directly, prints
don't give anywhere near the full resolution possible from a good
negative (unless of course they're big prints, like 10" x 8").

It does of course depend on the scanner, if it hasn't got the
resolution to exploit the negative resolution fully then it might
produce better results from the print which is significantly larger
then the negative of course.

--
Chris Green
·

On 02/02/2015 10:44, wrote:
Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 31/01/2015 13:04, Bill wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for any personal recommendations for a copier that will copy
from normal 35mm neg's, slides and small glass plate neg's. Looking
around the web there seems to be a multitude of these, all with glowing
reviews! But does anyone here have any first hand experience of them?
I've scanned many photos before, but this will be my first time with
negatives, it would be good to get a few personal experiences before
diving in.

I tried a negative/slide scanner, but found that scanning colour prints
gave much better results - both the resolution and the colours looked
better. Of course, that's no good if you don't have prints.

It certainly should be better scanning the negatives directly, prints
don't give anywhere near the full resolution possible from a good
negative (unless of course they're big prints, like 10" x 8").

Yes, that's what I thought when I bought the neg/slide scanner.

It does of course depend on the scanner, if it hasn't got the
resolution to exploit the negative resolution fully then it might
produce better results from the print which is significantly larger
then the negative of course.

But it was a cheap neg/slide scanner, and my 'all-in-one'
printer/scanner is much better on the prints.

So a more expensive neg/slide scanner may well be better than a cheap
document scanner.

Cheers
--
Syd